Discuss the newest additions to the 2hu cast. Do you think ZUN has any plans for them?Who's going to show up again? Who's going to wallow in obscurity?Yuiman has strong Moriya connections, Ariya has an unresolved plot thread with Mokou, and while Nina has nothing specific she seems pretty easy to slot into a story if ZUN leans into her conspiracy nut concept. I'm really hopeful for all three, but it'll be a while before we really get a good feel for who ZUN plans on bringing back.
I doubt Ubame will be getting much besides a few cameo appearances, given Nemuno's treatment.I have this weird feeling Chimi will actually be showing up more, she just seems like the type of character ZUN likes to randomly insert into everything, plus there's the Nue connection (although that would require to ZUN actually do something with Nue lol)Nareko being bound to one place would be pretty tough to work around, so I'm not holding my breath.I think Yuiman actually will be relevant going forward, given that the entire point of the game was to rescue her, and the Moriya stuff feels like it could be setup for future events.Ariya could go either way, honestly, she could be a Keiki or an Okina. Although I'm 99% sure the Mokou thing will never be addressed because that could potentially be interesting and actually involve some emotional stakes on Mokou's end, and we know ZUN would never do anything like that.Nina I'm confident will be showing up frequently because she's a really easy way for ZUN to be able to soapbox about whatever current thing he's got a gripe with.
>>50276004I'd love if Yuiman just became a resident (even temporarily) at the Moriya shrine. I'd give ZUN an excuse to involve her in things, maybe even make her playable in a game. I really hope ZUN doesn't just leave her in the pyramid, which unfortunately is the last place we've seen her thanks to Extra.
>>50275773I really want to care but I just can't.
>>50276157It'd be pretty neat to have a new permanent addition to the Moriya gang, but it's pretty rare for ZUN to shake up established groups like that. Shion staying at the shrine or Jo'on training at Myouren were both walked back pretty quick, for instance. I'm not sure why he insists on so many characters being completely disconnected from anyone else when that's precisely what tends to make them unpopular, but it's not like he's ever really cared about that sort of thing.
>>50277221How many 2hus are worth caring about? Maybe 5?
>>50277450If by "worth caring about" you mean that we know they'll probably keep showing up and being relevant forever, then I'd say it's Reimu and Marisa, obviously, as well as ZUN's favorites in Yukari, Aya. Suika, Mamizou, Rinnosuke, Sumi and Okina.
>>50277529It's the Sonic the Hedgehog problem all over again. 3 good characters and a million shit ones.
>>50277544Perhaps people should just let them go
>>50277544I think in both cases the problem isn't really anything inherently wrong with those other characters, just that they're underutilized and underexplored. Like, take Silver, for instance. Tons of potential for really cool stuff with him, but everytime he shows up he kinda just stands around with the rest of the peanut gallery. In the same way, the vast majority of 2hus just never really get to do anything or be fleshed out as characters because ZUN would rather write about Aya or Mamizou doing some inane bullshit and getting away with it scot free for the 300th time rather than anything of substance. And I know asking Touhou to actually explore it's characters or to have anything meaningful happen at all is like asking ZUN to stop drinking, and that that's best left to fanworks, but it's still frustrating.
>>50275773Sapphics and gay.>>50276157Cute yu(r)ihu.>>50277283Canonically lesbians.
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>>50277633It's canon though.
>>50277643
20hus kiss each other.
They are gayer than you could imagine.
This happens immediately after.
>>50277647>>50277653>sample
Cute and canon.
>>50277283Yuiman can be Sanae's Aunn.
Even other sapphics see how gay they are.
I saw this thread got like 15 posts and was excited to see the newhu discussion, but it just turned out to be yuri troon having another psychotic episode.
>>50277667Sanae's Aunn is Tsukasa though.
>>50275773They all suck ass big time, I miss the appealing designs, family/group dynamics, character interactions, funny hats, cute dresses and cool powers.
>>50277725Evil fox girls are bad.
>>50277758If they're bad why are they hot
>>50277747>appealing designssubjective>family/group dynamicsI don't think every cast needs to be an SDM, but I don't necessarily disagree that more of them would be fun.>character interactionsThose are more or less the same as they've always been?>funny hatsyeah, fair enough>cute dressesyeah, no, I don't need 300 more girls in frilly goth-loli dresses, thanks.>cool powerstouhou powers have always been retarded. ZUN will just say "btw this character can manipulate some esoteric/extremely vague concept" and never show them actually using it or even elaborate on what that means.
>>50277781I wouldn't bother responding to bad faith bait, especially when the image they're posting isn't even accurate to the eras they're romanticizing (there is not a single windows era game that has the cute'em up aesthetics or motifs the image implies, hell you could argue that ZUN was doing social commentary as early as MS with foreign tourists causing issues in Gensokyo).
>>50277797yeah, I was gonna just dismiss it with "old thing good, new thing bad" but I wanted to at least entertain the "arguments" on display in case it was genuine on some level.
>>50277781>I don't think every cast needs to be an SDMWrong, it's no coincidence that the super fun, fan favorite characters are all in some sort of family, whether it's the SDM crew, the Yakumo family, the Eientei group, the Chireiden family, the Myouren temple, Junko's gang... all the unpopular, no fun characters are loners who don't have anyone to interact with, like Nemuno, Biten, Eika, Urumi, Sannyo, Mike, Narumi, Yatsuhashi...
>>50277797>there is not a single windows era game that has the cute'em up aestheticsBro... the stage enemies are all literal cutesy fairies and the player character is a little girl in a cute dress.
>>50277781>yeah, no, I don't need 300 more girls in frilly goth-loli dresses, thanks.kill yourself out of /jp/
>>50278119Being part of a group hasn't saved most of the Myouren gang from falling into obscurity, just like plenty of characters with no strong ties to others have had enduring popularity, like Suika, Tenshi or Kogasa. I'm not saying it isn't a factor, just that I don't think every cast needs to be a monolith.
>>50278135If thinking ZUN shouldn't have to be rigidly bound to a single aesthetic and ought to be allowed to actually explore whatever design spaces he's actually interested in means I don't belong on /jp/, then fuck it, guess I'll leave.
>>50278160we've gotten barefoot girls wearing potato sacks for almost 10 years now because of that thinking. i would rather a million more rumias and mystias than even one more mountain hag rag
>>50278180I never said I necessarily enjoy most of ZUN's more recent designs, or that I actually dislike the goth-loli aesthetic, just that there's nothing inherently wrong with him deciding to pursue different avenues and that forcing himself to pump out the same types of designs for almost 30 years would probably wear on the guy eventually.>barefoot girls wearing potato sacksThose are three characters who all have a direct lore connection to the yamanba sanctuaries. Am I saying I love Nemuno's design? No. But I can at least recognize the intent and meaning behind it and what it reflects of both the character and her mythological inspiration. Not to mention, the barefoot characters in 20 all have pretty obvious reasons for being that way besides Ariya.
>>50278123Windows Touhou has cute characters, but that alone doesn't make it a cute'em up. The aesthetic and tone is completely wrong. Look at PC98 Touhou, since those are much closer to traditional cute'em ups. The stock enemy of those games, the bakebake, are very in-line with what you'd expect out of a cute'em up. They're kind of goofy and very cute in a sort of mascot character sort of way. Windows era's stock enemies, the fairies, aren't like that. They're cute but not in a mascot sense, and any comedic elements of fairies is purely from their personalities rather than anything intrinsic to their design. These discrepancies extend to pretty much every element of Windows Touhou, the stories are very atypical for a cute'em up, the tone is far too sentimental for a cute'em up, the world building and subject matter is wildly outside the purview of cute'em ups, and everything is (ironically) just too grounded in a sense of in-universe logic. I can only assume anyone that thinks EoSD onwards as being cute'em ups has either never actually played a cute'em up (TSS, Parodius, TwinBee, etc), or just doesn't pay attention in the slightest while playing Touhou games. And again, cute isn't exclusive to cute'em ups, a game can have cute elements without being strictly a cute'em up. Cute'em ups tend to lean far more heavily into moe and a heavy comedic tone, Windows Touhou is more bishoujo with minor dark fantasy influences (and really is much closer in tone to Castle Shikigami than it is to Cotton).
>>50282876Yet you care enough to post in a thread about newhus.Curious.
