Hello /jp/ considering the nature of this board im sure pretty much all of you are at least familiar with touhou.I made a thread on /x/ ( >>>/x/41610821 ) but im sure people here would be much more interested in this i am convinced gensokyo has to exist in someway somewhere and im not alone, many people on the japanese side have been actively trying to find a way in.https://archive-of-the-sealed-gods.neocities.org/other-worlds/DEG_AIhttps://w.atwiki.jp/gennsoukyou/Sadly it seems that a little while ago their threads and community have kind of died out but I think if anyone would be interested we could use their info and pick up where they left off?
>>50401298Places like that can never be found by those who want to find it.
>>50401298Gensokyo is like Shambala. Is exists, but only inside (You).
>>50401394Elaborate.
>>50401413It's just the nature of the supernatural. The supernatural instinctively avoid those who seek it. There's a reason why the most fervent seekers of the supernatural never find anything substantial and why it's the nonbelievers who have the most potent experiences with it on the rare occasions that it happens to them.
>>50401410Best take, it all makes sense now.
>>50401298One of the things they believe might allow someone to enter Gensokyo is if they become superhuman. Over a year ago I may have accidentally stumbled upon a ritual that could allow you to do just this.I had planned it ahead of time, and waited until dawn which I thought was more suitable. I brought a drawing of the goddess Cipactli which I lied face down on the ground (so you wouldn't be able to see it), and put a piece of metal over. I then tore up one of my calfs with a thorny vine, and mopped up the blood with paper. I put this paper on the metal over the drawing and set it on fire as an offering to Tezcatlipoca and Cipactli.At first nothing seemed to happen. But when laid in bed to sleep I discovered I was almost unable to. I'd lay in bed for hours, trying to sleep, yet staying wide awake. When I did eventually fall asleep it'd only be for like 30 minutes to an hour at a time. This continued for maybe a week or two. After that I returned to normal.The idea of magicians becoming something other than human is not something exclusive to Touhou. Certain conceptions of the Mexican nagual seem to have that element as well, and Tezcatlipoca was one of the gods or patrons of nagualism. Others include, funnily enough his own naguals Tepeyollotl, Huehuecoyotl and Chalchiuhtotolin; as well as Quetzalcoatl's brother Xolotl. Huehuecoyotl and Chalchiuhtotolin were considered to have the ability to change evil fates beset on people by other gods. The calf or lower part of the leg is ritually significant for bloodletting as according to Aztec myth that is one of their own body parts Quetzalcoatl and Xolotl cut in order to create the current age's humanity. The other body parts include the earlobes, tongue, and penis.
>>50402456Okay, let me tell you this:If I gain superpowers through a ritual that doesn't take anything from me (I don't know how to explain just stick) would I get a call from Gensokyo or something? I personally don't want to enter Gensokyo or live in it. And if being superhuman is the requisite does that mean there are other people there that have weird powers?
Why are the schizos here obsessed with latinx deities?
>>50403240>If I gain superpowers through a ritual that doesn't take anything from me (I don't know how to explain just stick) would I get a call from Gensokyo or something?Well it's just a theory among the Japanese who are into this rather than something that's been 100% confirmed. Personally I think it would be something that makes it easier to enter Gensokyo but isn't a requirement. So like hypothetically if you discover a portal to Gensokyo as a normal person you might have a 20% chance to pass through while as a superhuman you would might an 80% chance. >And if being superhuman is the requisite does that mean there are other people there that have weird powers?If "there" means Gensokyo, then yes, it's filled with people who have weird powers. That's like everyone in Touhou. If you're talking about the Japanese discussions then a few people claimed to have powers as well as even visit Gensokyo. I think there's only a couple people in the /jp/ side of this discussion who have claimed to have superhuman powers, most of them are instead witnesses to the powers of spirits or gods.
>>50403244Because they are some of the less understood gods.
>>50403312>If "there" means Gensokyo, then yes, it's filled with people who have weird powers.I have so many questions. Like, what if everyone who inherently has weird powers gets sent to Gensokyo for containment or something like that? Are there men there and how do they interact with the rest of Gensokyo if it is supposed to be a matriarchal society? Do these powers work in the outside world? Does that mean super powers exist, and if they do, do they need energy like chakra in Naruto, is channeled through Gods or it is limitless like in fiction?
>>50403609Did you come here from /x/? It seems like you aren't too familiar with Touhou.>Like, what if everyone who inherently has weird powers gets sent to Gensokyo for containment or something like that? Well, in the fiction of the Touhou Project supernatural powers and gods and stuff are fueled by human faith and fear. As scientific beliefs spread around the world and supernatural ones weakened, youkai and gods started to go extinct. Gensokyo is a magical realm that allows them to survive, and supernatural beings in danger of going extinct due to a lack of faith magically appear there. It's more like a nature preserve for endangered species rather than a prison. As for Gensokyo's potential real world counterpart, we really don't know. >Are there men there and how do they interact with the rest of Gensokyo if it is supposed to be a matriarchal society?If I recall correctly ZUN has said in interviews that canonically there are men in Gensokyo but they just don't really show up in the official media. Officially this was initially because he just wanted to draw pretty and cute girls, and over time Touhou gained a reputation for only having girls so later on it would feel weird to suddenly introduce men. There's also a more spiritual theory that the Touhou characters are basically mediums for different spirits, and since mediumhood (mediumship?) has a long association with women in Japan they all get to be girls. Some characters who whose original depictions were male got made female when ZUN designed their Touhou counterparts (Toyosatomimi no Miko is a famous example), so it might be in the real Gensokyo they're just men and interact normally with everyone else. I'm not sure Gensokyo is actually supposed to be a matriarchal society.>Do these powers work in the outside world?In the fiction of Touhou generally not, because they lack the requisite faith. In reality they work at least sometimes, but they might be a lot stronger if you could find a way into Gensokyo. If you click the link in the OP there's a Japanese guy who claimed to visit Gensokyo and gained spiritual powers there which functioned in the outside world but were greatly weakened.>Does that mean super powers existYes, this anon >>50402456 just told a story about it. In a previous thread there was someone who claimed to develop a superhuman resistance to strangulation, citing scientific studies on how long it normally takes to fall unconscious from the act but they did not post a video as proof.>and if they do, do they need energy like chakra in Naruto, is channeled through Gods or it is limitless like in fiction?I think they're generally channeled through Gods but all three possibilities might co-exist.
>>50403754>Did you come here from /x/? It seems like you aren't too familiar with Touhou.Touhou is the very reason I am in 4chan but I gotta be honest I don't engage a lot with the mangas. Now, do you come from a specific place? I feel like I have talked to people like you before. Specifically on the esoteric threads.Please tell me you are not annoyed by me because I really want to talk more with people like you. But I also feel bad around this stuff because even thought I was one of the guys who tried to start all these esoteric threads I ironically know jackshit compared to other people. I remember entering a Discord server with people who talked about this stuff but I only knew superficial material so I looked like a newfag. I mean, I am a deeply spiritual/conspiracy person but I am in a completely different field most of the time.
>>50403853>Now, do you come from a specific place? I feel like I have talked to people like you before. Specifically on the esoteric threads.I don't really come from a specific place at all. I have frequented the esoteric threads for like a year now. >Please tell me you are not annoyed by me because I really want to talk more with people like you.I'm not.>But I also feel bad around this stuff because even thought I was one of the guys who tried to start all these esoteric threads I ironically know jackshit compared to other people.Well you aren't born with this knowledge. You have to start from somewhere.
>>50404371>I don't really come from a specific place at all. I have frequented the esoteric threads for like a year now.Do you remember this one?
>>50404420Not really, I might not have participated in that one.
>>50404433Post a screenshot of the ones you remember.
>>50401298Gensokyo is a fictional setting, retard. You should just accept that fact and focus on fixing the life you already have. Don't listen to /x/fags; ALL of them are LARPing. No exceptions. If you start to genuinely hear voices (like others in these threads have), get yourself psychiatrically evaluated.Of course, you probably won't listen to anything I just said, but when you rope yourself, my position will be vindicated.
>>50404767>get yourself psychiatrically evaluated.You were cooking with your post until you mentioned ps*chiatry
>>50404788I don't think you understand how serious a disease schizophrenia is.
>>50404916See, my brotha. I understand perfectly what you are getting at. However, when I made my post, what I was trying to get is at how biased can psychiatry be to certain things. There is people who legit have schizophrenia, depression, etc. But most therapist will just give you a pill and leave it for the next day for stuff that has nothing to do with the conditions I mentioned. I know a shit ton of people are going to tell me I am dumb for this but therapy is useless if you don't change your habits at home or your environment, with or without help. People not only got to therapy for mental diseases, a series of bad events can also influence your state.
>>50404932>I know a shit ton of people are going to tell me I am dumb for this but therapy is useless if you don't change your habits at home or your environment, with or without help.Actually, I'd say that's pretty accurate. I myself took medication and did talk therapy for a year, but those would not have been effective if I hadn't worked to improve my situation in life. They made it easier to get out of bed in the morning, but it is because of the tangible changes I made to my life that I still feel fine now that I'm off of them.You're also right to say that a lot of psychiatrists will just sell you pills without actually trying to fix your life. After all, it's what they're financially incentivized to do. They tell you that your situation is normal and that your mental illness is a dysfunctional response to this situation. In fact, the opposite is usually true: your situation is dysfunctional and your mental illness is a normal response to this situation.
>>50404767The people who seriously entertain the notion of Gensokyo being real are some kind of uninitiated shamans. They can feel the call of the numinous, but as our culture lacks the structures for recognizing it, it becomes fixation on numinous media. "Fixing the life they have" means answering the call and figuring this stuff out. The only way out is through. Gensokyo is mostly likely not "real" in the sense that you can jump into there from some hole in Japan, but it's real in the same sense that other spirit worlds are. And interacting with such places rapidly becomes less about "going there" and more about bringing something from there. And this something tends to be something these people need to fix their lives. Repressing this is not going to work.
>>50404916nta but psychology is basically a pseudo-science that in the modern day encourages more self mutilation than self care.
>>50404767OP here i completely recognize how delusional and schizo I sound, I have no intentions of killing myself to go to some fantasy land that may or may not exist. Thats stupid. I have friends and I have a full time job.
it's magic! magic is real! it 'exists', uu-uu!
>>50405009>I have friends and I have a full time job.Is weird to heard this from a 4channer
>>50405009That is why the esoteric is the domain of those who have nothing else.
>>50404767>You should just accept that fact and focus on fixing the life you already have.Fix what? My life? Who cares, there's no point when I'm still going to die in the end, no matter how much effort I put into self-improvement. The so-called 'esoteric', even if nonsensical, is still more interesting than all of what physical reality can offer. If hard reductionist physicalism is objectively true then life doesn't matter a whole lot, honestly. It's pure vanity and I see no point in doing anything. The world getting worse each year (since 2013 or so) proves my point. I'd rather just get permanently stuck in a lucid dream coma.>Don't listen to /x/fags; ALL of them are LARPing. No exceptions.Not all of them, but I agree. 99% of them, yes. There are a few exceptions however, albeit extremely rare.>If you start to genuinely hear voices (like others in these threads have), get yourself psychiatrically evaluated.Agreed. Even if I'm staunchly anti-psychiatry.You're an incorrect materialist numbskull, but still. In the end, it's all uncertain and we'll never know how things really are.
>>50408190Eirin is cute. I hope she is your fav 2hu
>>50407808Maybe someday I will reach that point but im not entirely there yet, still though I would be willing to leave it all behind if I could reach gensokyo.
>>50403244Because they're Hispanics. 4chan is full of em these days. >>50402456Wrong track Pedro, Gensokyo is for wapanese only. Occasionally something supernatural from outside Japan or East Asia falls in, like the SDM or the Prismrivers, but those are rare exceptions. If Gensokyo-equivalents for other cultures and regions exist, we don't know about them. Gensokyo itself is certainly much too small to also be hiding these gods and spirits from everywhere else without us hearing about them.
>>50408725>Gensokyo itself is certainly much too small to also be hiding these gods and spirits from everywhere else without us hearing about them.Isn't Nareko egyptian or sum
>>50408729She's a dosoujin, a Japanese spirit that guards passages or roads. She just dresses up in Egyptian cosplay and does Sphinx-style for fun.
>>50408747*Sphinx-style riddlesOne exception is Hecatia who is closest to the goddess Hecate. But she's not actually a part of Gensokyo. She's a goddess of Hell, which is a separate realm that connects to all other realms, including Earth and the Moon.
>>50408767Something I am very confused about with the Lunarians is why they have Japanese-Chinese architecture and culture. I mean, they are aliens, even if they come from Earth is confusing. Is there something that was not told about their origin?
>>50408776This is mostly just a symptom of Touhou Project being a fundamentally Asian (and specifically Japanese) setting. If it were made by a European for Europeans, the Moon People would have futuristic European-style buildings instead of futuristic Asian-style buildings. Of course, it's not entirely arbitrary. The Lunarians are based on both the Moon People from Japanese folklore (see the Tale of the Bamboo Cutter and the Tale of the Moon Princess) as well as on the Dragon-King's Palace (in real lore said to be located underwater, but in Touhou actually located on the Moon).
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>>50409041>Tale of the Bamboo Cutter and the Tale of the Moon PrincessAren't these the same thing? I can't find the latter
>>50410891>Aren't these the same thing? I can't find the latterI think they are lol
>>50410891>>50410993Got my names mixed up. I was thinking of the Hagoromo, the Swan Maiden, who came down from the moon and had her feathery cloak taken by a fisherman while bathing, so in exchange for its return she dances for him, a dance based on the phases of the moon.
>>50414101Alright I see the connection now.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swan_maidenCuriously I thought this sort of story was only an East Asian thing with the Dragon-King Palace link and Iku's interview in Symposium of Post-Mysticism. (https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Symposium_of_Post-mysticism/Kakashi_Spirit_News_3)I know that basic story motifs have variants around the world, but the "steal shawl acquire wife" motif wasn't one that I expected to have western versions.
