Touhou Gameplay ThreadPrevious thread: >>50199990what are you playing today? what are your goals?
>>50422901i am playing ufo trying to get a lunatic 1cci havent gotten past murasa yet
press x or you're gay
>>50426735that's all i do
>>50422901restarting the series. attempting to normal 1cc all characters and shot types before moving on to the next game. will also take time to read the print works and manga. felt like i was rushing the seriesgot a EoSD 1cc with ReimuA. tried doing extra with her, but was only able to make it to maze of love. might try to clear with her or move on with the others
>>50426011good luck!>>50426735hypothetically would this un-gay me?>>50427628sounds fun. i'd like to do that someday.
>>50427628Do you plan on playing PC-98 at some point?
>>50427628finished getting a normal 1cc with everything in EoSD. will save extra clears for some other timenot sure how i did so well with this PCB run(normal ReimuB). i remember first playing and barely beating youmu with two livesthat's practice for you ig>>50431671yes. probably when i finish all the windows games
i don't understand podd, i just fill my bar up, blow my load and hope it works
I fucking hate Fossilized niggers stage design. First three levels are fine, but as soon as the 4th stage begins it gets too fucking retarded too fucking fast. If I don't bomb I get my ass trapped between walls of bullets no matter what strategy I adopt
>>50436236You should only ever use it to send bosses back to the enemy, or to enter hyper mode when you're in a pinch and out of bombs.The rest of the time just focus on keeping the combo score going so you can get free bosses and charge attacks.
>>50437235alright, i will try to be more deliberate with it.
I played MoF Lunatic after like an 8-year Touhou hiatus and I can barely keep up with the bullets. I went 0/50 on VoWG.I could LNB MoF back then, I think I'm getting old lads.
>>50440228rust is not that much of a thing with touhou but 8 years is breddy longgive it like a couple days of playing and you'd get back to speed i'm sure
>>50422901Grinding captures on ReimuA spellcards in SA. Not really aiming for a clear, I just wanna mindlessly dodge shit after a long day at work. Only got stage 5 midboss spell to really learn, so hopefully I'll be done before the 90hr mark.After this, I'll either do a blind Hard run on a different game or move on to grinding LoLK.
Anyone have the magnet link for the mainline games collection that was previously in the lossless music thread on /t/?
>>50442481It's just this onehttps://nyaa.si/view/1743411It hasn't been updated with FW yet but you can grab it from doujinstyle, it's given false positives for some people but I've tried it myself and it's safe.https://doujinstyle.com/?p=page&type=2&id=984If you also want to play the PC98 games you should grab the updated pack, I've got it listed it on doujinstyle.https://doujinstyle.com/?p=page&type=2&id=995
>>50432914>yes. probably when i finish all the windows gamesnta but I'd suggest doing PC-98 before MoF or PoFV.No particular reason other than "because I did it that way" and revisiting certain locales, characters, and a spellcard or two.
>>50422901th4 1cc
>>50432914I'm inclined to agree with >>50444357. In particular, I think at least LLS and MS should ideally be played around the same time as EoSD to compare and contrast the different takes on the same approach to gameplay.You could always come back to them at the end. I just think since early Windows references PC-98 more frequently than the rest of the series, It's nice to be able to make comparisons with everything fresh in your mind.
my first game was MoF and it kicked my ass so hard i had no idea why most of the internet says it's a good 'first game' to play. after spending some time in earlier titles i've been having much more fun and clearing things.
>>50450507>i had no idea why most of the internet says it's a good 'first game' to playBecause most people forget what it's like to be a newfag. MoF might indeed be one of the easiest games in the whole series, but it only gets so easy if you've learnt the fundamentals (like streaming) already. Most importantly, its fake continues system means you'll get stuck fighting kanako again and again until you can either beat her with just two lives or you restart and manage to get a 1cc outright, without the satisfaction of at least having beaten the game with continues in between.This makes the game much more frustrating than something like EoSD or PCB, which just lets you continue, finish the game and read the bad ending then try again, trying to use fewer continues on every run (until you finally make it without using any) and practicing the entire game (including the last few spells of the final boss, which a newfag wouldn't even get to see in MoF).
>>50450507It's hard to accurately judge how hard a game is for a beginner if you're not one yourself. I found MoF to be decently easy, but I have played all games in order so that was my 10th 1cc. And that's not the same as playing it as a beginner. Similarly people often say that PCB and EoSD are easy, I didn't find them to be easy at the time(though now I do). Not to mention that difficulty is highly subjective; yes there are objective factors(LLS is arguably easier than UFO) but most of the time it's just subjective.
>>50450507I had the same impression that it's a "good beginner game" but every time I play it I always get shock-and-awed at how aggressively "in your face" the game gets sometimes. This is obviously true from Stage 4 onwards but even a few parts of Stage 2 and Stage 3 can seem oppressive.Every thread this same discussion comes up and this same conclusion is reached: MoF is "easier" only because it's very bomb-friendly.
>>50450548with just three lives*
cleared PCB phantasm with all of reimu. somehow ReimuB took less than five attempts while ReimuA took over 15. probably has to do with damage outputclearing with marisa is gonna be difficult. she's like ReimuB but without the deathbombing and small hitbox
>>50452169well done!what's next
>>50450548>>50450553prior experience seems to be the common theme here. i see now. also yeah, the way continues work i'm not a big fan of. one day i'll get my revenge. >>50450698i also get that impression from looking up some guides and such, that knowing when and where to bomb and utilizing the plentiful resources efficiently is a big part of a run. something i realized in my own playing was i would just sit at max power the whole time and try and dodge instead of bomb, when i could've just bombed and got back to max power quickly after.
>>50450507MoF is deceptively harder than its reputation makes it seem, particularly in the second half. The bombs can bail you out of that a lot of the time, but like you said there's a timing element to that, and it can only help so much against Kanako.Since you're clearing things now, I doubt you need a better "first game" recommendation. But for the record, I've always thought LLS was tailor made for beginners to the genre.
The maintainer of the all-in-one pack has got back to me and we've finally got the new PC98 pack listed on nyaa.If any of you guys has downloaded it already (or wants to grab it now), please help with seeding for a little while.https://nyaa.si/view/2055019
>>50452744clear phantasm with everything else. afterwards i should clear EoSD extra with everything. patchy and maze of love made me not want to do it initiallywill maybe try out PC98
>>50450507Having played the games in order, MoF was a massive difficulty spike. Even on replay the game is more demanding than I remember. I think part of the difficulty comes from the hitboxes being way bigger in this game compared to something like IN>>50456245good luck! I promise patchy becomes easier over time (except for her final). Maze of love is consistent with the right amount of practice
>>50456916>MoF was a massive difficulty spikeDid you skip StB? Coming out fresh from clearing 66 scenes on that game, MoF felt like a cakewalk to me, to the point I got a 1cc on my first blind run with ReimuA.(I still wouldn't recommend it to beginners, in fact I wrote >>50450548)
recommending anything besides IN as the first game one should playlol
does anyone even play latest games?
>>50459434Yes
>>50459434No
>>50459434Maybe
Fuck okuu's last spell. I've now died thrice after the attack ended.
>>50459881You gotta be careful during the boss defeat slowdown, which means all games from MoF onwards (and PCB at the end of Resurrection Butterfly). It's very easy to get reckless and lower your guard early.Even more so Okuu's last spell: You have to keep pulling back until the spellcard ends and the score is shown. Actually as the bullet and boss despawn you'll be forcibly pulled to the center of the screen. I lost so many 1ccs to this myself too lol
>>50459881never gets old
>>50460037happened to me but i had a litefe let
panicking
>>50418642>i've practiced marisa fight in lls lots and she still finds a way to end my runsHonestly I think LLS stages are pretty unbalanced. As in stage4 is the hardest stage in the game, stage5 only has the rings of death and stage6 only has Yuuka's final, the rest feels pretty much as hard or easier than stage4.>>50437137Fair, I wished ZUN really would have gone back to basics and made a game without any bullet clearing besides bomb. But yeah, the stages really feels like it just expects you to clear bullets.>>50459318Only problem I see with IN as a first game is 'guya kicking you out of the battle instead of letting you finish the route. LLS has the same problem but the final boss is way easier. idk maybe PCB is better for starters.
>>50459244I think I went straight from PoFV to MoF
>>50463778Don't post things like that, just train more!
finally finished with everyone
>>50464346おめでとう（*＾-＾*）
>>50450507Could be worse. My first game was LoLK because I thought the checkpoint system would make it easier.
all i want for christmas are extra clears
>>50468397hot take: lolk is a good starting game because it forces you to either get good or learn how to bomb
HRTP so hard. can't even beat first makai boss with continues
>>50471639Makai route IS harder than Hell route.
>>50470523
>>50471641It is yeah, unless you're playing on Lunatic, which makes Kikuri even harder than Sariel.>>50471639Feel free to read this if you need some tips. I'd first suggest experimenting with the game on your own, though.https://pastebin.com/mL54drnJ
>>50471274well it took me a whole month to finish it and then I easily 1CC'd EoSD-MoF so it's a pretty effective boot camp
>>50471964I find it more fun to spread out the time spent having trouble with a game more evenly across the various games, but to each their own.
What's the most recent chart template?
>>50472995There's no single agreed-upon version at this point. Pick any of the ones from the previous threads and roll with it.
Do you think a mechanical keyboard makes much of a difference for Touhou?
>>50473055probably? I use a controller.
>>50473055If you currently play on a regular keyboard, it can make a decent difference cause their inputs are more accurate.
>>50473818Yep, never tried mechanical before. From what I'm reading, red switches are supposed to be the most optimal? I don't really know the differences between the colors.
>>50473830The difference is in how much sound they make generally (keep in mind that it can vary a little depending on the brand) and in how strongly they let your fingers feel that you've pressed enough for the input to register.Here's a decent explanation.https://www.penaddict.com/blog/2020/3/11/a-brief-introduction-to-mechanical-keyboard-switchesThere's no best color for everyone, you should buy a switch tester for about 10 bucks and try a few before buying a full keyboard.
>>50473830Forgot to say, my personal preference is brown switches, they're a middle ground. I've also tried reds but they wouldn't even let me rest my fingers on the keys without giving false inputs. And I wanted it to be fairly silent (the logitech mx mechanical keyboard I'm using is very silent even with browns) so I didn't even try blues.Your mileage may vary, I usually play on controller anyway.
>>50473830The differences between switches are minimal, it's basically just how much force you need to apply before they start registering and how loud they are. So it's just personal preference. Though, I don't think it's worth getting a mechanical keyboard just for Touhou. Last year, when my old mechanical keyboard gave out, I had to use my back-up membrane keyboard, and I was surprised by how little of a difference I felt while playing, I didn't play any worse or anything like that. Though for typing (which was one of the reasons why I bought a mechanical keyboard in the first place) the difference was quite big. In general the biggest difference is that membrane keyboards feel more "unstable" and "mushy" if that makes sense.
>>50473830Personal preference. A friend of mine prefers reds (red-like, anyway), being light with no bump it takes very little effort for quick movements.I on the other hand like super tactile switches like kailh box jades, very satisfying and lower likelihood of unintentional presses.A switch tester is a good idea if you're completely new, especially one that has both extremes. Saved me from what would've been disappointment.>>50473883>differences between switches are minimalThat's what I thought until I tried literally anything other than the 3 most popular cherry switches. They can feel quite different from each other.
>>50474072Who cares about anything else besides cherry switches? Apart from the keyboard autists, obviously.
>>50473848>>50473883>>50474072I see.I'm on a real tight budget so I don't even wanna spend the ten bucks on a tester, I'll just rawdog it and try a red since people seem to be recommending that.
>>50474216I've been using browns like the other anon, so I would probably recommend those instead. In any case it'd probably be for the best if you just visited a brick-and-mortar store and tried some mechanical keyboards to see which switch you'd like the most.
>>50474216Browns are the most "default" of them all and they're closest to what old keyboards used to be before membrane became popular, if you can somehow vaguely recall how they felt.
I'll might try out the games again on Hard mode. And Seihou.
>>50474216I'd personally recommend getting a hotswap keyboard so you can change out the switches at some point in the future. I think the standard red, blue, and brown are all terrible compared to other ~30¢/switch options out there. But if I had to rank them, I'd say blue, red, and brown from best to worst.This hotswap is about $40 USD new and I recall reading some decent reviews online. I know it's red and I said I hate red, but again, you could always hotswap later on.https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CCBFTXQG/
I got to Kanako with 6 lives on hard and still game overed She feels like such an insane difficulty spike, I no deathed Sanny and thought it would be easy, haven't played MoF in a bit
>>50476064Kanako's final is the hardest card in the game by a huge margin. To the point I see MoF as a game where half the game is you gathering resources for Kanako's final, and the other half is you trying to beat the card. It's the only part of the main game you can't bomb skip, and requires you to be in full concentration for over a minute of hectic dodging.
Playing PCB blind. I wanna get a Lunatic clear before I go back to whatever I was doing. I guess I'll use the OP shot.
Got it on my first credit, the amount of bombs you get with this shot just makes it too hard to lose even after so many deaths.Nice game, I think Alice and the Prismrivers were the most fun to fight. Youmu and Yuyuko definitely were a dififculty spike though. I'll come back later.
Zun has decided to give me a early Christmas gift.After 35 fucking hours I'm finally done. Just UFO left to do.
>>50476759>>50476824>I guess I'll use the OP shot.Sakuya A or B? It should be B because it does more damage than A to balance out its tracking ability. Also yeah Sakuya is really easy mode with 4 bombs every life.>>50478052Congrats!
>>50422901...I haven't played Touhou in weeks after switching to Linux. I haven't figured out Wine yet but does anybody here know whether it's possible to play Touhou with English patch applied on Linux?
>>50479580I haven't used any Engllish patches but the games should work without any issues.
>>50480102What do you use? Plain Wine or Lutris or something else?
>>50480319I use Bottles (with kron4ek) for convenient wine prefix management but honestly even default wine should be sufficient.
>>50479580yea just run thcrap to apply the patch for your games and set the (en).exe as your executable. for vpatch, if you use it, you'd have to make it so that thcrap patches vpatch.exe>open /config/games.js from your thcrap directory>look for game and the exe thcrap points to>edit exe to game's vpatch.exe
>>50481077
>>50480558Thank you friend>>50481077>yeaThat's a relief. Once the urge to play Touhou is strong enough, I'll get up my ass and figure things out. Thanks.
Decided to play EoSD for the first time in eight years or so. For not remembering half the game, I did better than I thought I would.>>50479580Picrel was taken on Linux. It just werks with Heroic Launcher. I set the executable to the thcrap standalone exe, and everything (including vpatch) worked without additional configuration. EoSD doesn't play WAV music, but Nuked-SC55 also just werks as a MIDI player.I also ran PCB through Steam a while ago. It also works fine, but I distinctly remember having to do some finagling to get thprac+thcrap+vpatch all working at the same time. I don't remember the specifics, though.The one thing I distinctly remember is that the Steam releases don't play very well with thcrap, though this was five years ago. I don't think I ever got LoLK working in English.
>>50481225Thank you anon
The new release of the all-in-one pack is finally out.https://nyaa.si/view/2057254
>>50422901>Bc45seX2mc.pngThanks anons now I don't have to clear the game! Knowing the hidden secrets of the ending!!!hehehehe!>>50473032>file.pngThe captcha is technically a newfag so it checks out
i'm embarrassed to say this but... i can't dodge the danmaku that cirno throws at you before her first spell card in EoSD
>>50488633That one's pretty simple, don't try to dodge through it just go to the left and dodge to the right and vice versa.
>>50479383it was sakA, prefer homing cause i can't be bothered to learn the stageswent for reimuA this time, i wonder if this shot is considered the worst in the game by others cause wow the damage is abysmal
>>50488633Don't be ashamed. I died to it a lot as a noob that it ingrained a fear that still persists many years later even though I'm much better. Let's break it down (assuming Normal):They're all aimed. Her first blast is dense, so just macrododge it completely.The second one is slightly wider, hopefully you left enough space to macrododge and go to the other side of the screen.The third one is wide enough that you can thankfully pass through it with a single tap.She follows up with two expanding circles that are aimed, but are easy to dodge.The trickiest part of the entire nonspell imo getting into an optimal position to dodge the blasts again.
>>50488633I don't have anything to add to the great advice >>50490040 gave, but here's a clip of how I typically approach it. At higher power it kills instead of timing out
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>>50488633I just use the safespot above her. I haven't dodged it legitimately in ages.
autosage?
Newfags..
>>50494341maybe
>>50494341>>50495183No, some IP ranges cannot bump threads while others can.
first hard 1cc. stage 4 was probably the toughest thing as someone coming back to this entry, but does get easier as you memorize the stage
>>50499448>stage 4 was probably the toughestYeah, it has some wacky things like the books, bullet erasing fairies, sudden lazers and also Patchouli having so many spellcards makes her fight trickier to memorize.Congrats on the clear>>50491185It's always funny how varied the nons of the two first bosses are. Like they are just throwing whatever they just came up with.
listening to podd music makes me want to play it but then i remember what playing podd is like and i can't bring myself to do it.
after reading a few tips i got to chiyuri on normal before getting pounded, maybe i'll try again another day.
>>50507497This is the average PoDD experience for me. I do perfectly fine up until Chiyuri, lose a life, then it all goes to hell on Yumemi.
>>50507497>>50510758Pro tip for phantasmagoria games: the difficulty lowers every time you die, therefore if you keep like 3 lives until the final boss you're pretty much guaranteed a win.
she had 1/2 a heart left (；′⌒`) . next run will be the run.>>50511800i didn't come across this info like i did the other games' so called 'rank' system, guess it shouldn't be a surprise given the other 4 games have it.
Is easy mode PCB or MoF easier for a completely new player?
I don't EVER want to hear anybody ever again say "IN is an easy Extra" because IT'S FUCKING NOT. the second half of Mokou's fight has to have some of the hardest patterns to exist in an Extra stage. and on top of that, EVERY shot type has one EXTREMELY glaring flaw that's makes one particular section harder than it would be with other shot typesJESUS FUCKING CHRIST HOW HARD DOES NO BOMB HAVE TO BE I NEVER STRUGGLED THIS MUCH WITH AN EXTRA NO BOMB BEFORE FUCK THIS STAGE AND EVERY ASSHOLE WHO LIED TO ME CLAIMING THAT THIS IS AN EASY EXTRA FUCK YOU ALL i also really want to break something
>>50515410I always thought the joke was that it's a terrible game to recommend newcomers...PCB or TD is better for learning with room for error. IN just throws more shit at you.
>>50515380if you have both just try them and find out. playing the games will always be better than reading about what you 'should' be playing. also, there was discussion about mof earlier in the thread that might be worth a read.
>>50515380I've heard that PCB Easy is one of the hardest because it's almost entirely unchanged from Normal.
>>50515454>PCB NTA but I found PCB's EX to be worse than IN's.That's mostly about personal preference anyway.Though if I had to do NMNB run I think I would have hated both kek.
>>50515380MoF I think. As the other guy said, playing both is probably the best way to find out. In any case though, if you're looking for the easiest Touhou game then you should be looking at Touhou 4, it's quite literally the easiest game in the series, and the only one where I had to change the difficulty from normal to hard because I felt it was too easy.
>>50515380Firstly, what people are saying about trying them for yourself is correct. Your opinions may very well differ from mine.I haven't tried easy, but based on my knowledge from normal, PCB is a lot more forgiving. You're given more lives and the patterns are a fair amount easier. This becomes especially noticeable towards the end.People say MoF's bomb system is easily abusable, which it is, but not so much towards the end. Stage 6 becomes a brick wall without good fundamentals.And even if PCB's easy isn't too different from normal, I think that's fine because PCB normal is one of the easier games too. Again, it's a pretty forgiving game.Additionally, if you're open to trying other games, I'd like to second >>50516606's recommendation for LLS. I genuinely believe it was designed for newcomers to the genre.>>50515410From what I remember, I think I died to Mokou's first nonspell the last time I tried. The only extra stages I ever got more than halfway to completion were MS and EoSD.
>>50516589NTA but trust me, PCB phantasm/extra NMNB are nowhere even close to IN extra NMNB. Mokou has some evil patterns in her second half. The saving grace is that the stage isn't as difficult as PCB aside from maybe the death fairy at the end for non border players
>>50518554Forbidden Love Sign: 1,000 Miko Golden Shower
Happy New Year /jp/! My goal is to have a v0.1 build release this year. Been working on refactoring Elis lately; this is just a WIP showing the animations I've been doing.
As promised 5k is in. Hopefully I'll get it before 6k...
>>50522905it really isn't that hard jesus
why does nobody talk about Border Team's shift spam problem? Ran's position resets if you let go of shift and then hold shift again, which can often times result in Ran just standing there doing nothing while the enemy doesn't take damage. this is unironically makes certain things with Border Team harder than they are with Solo Reimu or Solo Yukari
>>50522905Keep going, anon, you're breaking records here. Your next goal is to get to 9999 to see if there's a cap.
I finally beat a 2hu game for the first time today. Finished PCB with Sakuya A. Used all my continues, 40 bombs, a whole lot of extra lives and bombs from points at the end. That last spellcard had my clenching my butthole but when it was over I felt really great. Time to get to a 1cc I guess.
>>50524446Good job anon, from personal experience once you've managed to clear a game with continues you're about halfway there.
>>50518554"Dare you enter my magical realm?"
is there a trick i'm missing to playing ellen in podd or do you just pray to the gods and be really good
>>50529737>just pray to the gods and be really goodSounds about right, ellen is probably the hardest character to play as.
>>50529750damn, it really is like that then. this will take quite some time to even clear higher difficulties. i 1cc'd easy by the skin of my teeth. granted, i'm still quite noob.
>>50529781Personally I'd consider switching character. You're gonna have much easier time with other characters. You do you though.
>>50529941yeah, i was just testing them all out. no plans to commit to her for the time being.
>>50529737The game depends a lot on rng, sometimes the last two stages will be impossible and sometimes they'll be a walk in the park, regardless of the character you're using. With enough tries you can get at least a Normal 1cc with all characters without much effort.
PCB stage 4 is such a pain. feels like ages before i get to the sisters
>>50530524It's long, but boils down to just memorization. Learn what's coming and you'll survive consistently.
>>50530567nta but I'll try
How the fuck do I beat EoSD on normal, I tried asking on /v/ but some retard spammed the thread with CP and it got deleted
>>50534315Well. Keep attempting it. Learn to use that slow function and try to move around less.If you have full power and move to the top of the screen you'll auto-collect all score points at maximum value which leads to extra lives.If you're just learning it's like bashing your head into a wall into you find the right angle.
>>50534410until*
>>50534315You will get it. Eventually, your nervous system will adapt. It took me a good few months before I got my first 1cc.
am i the only one who gets completely mind fucked guro style on the marisa/mima rotating stones attack? i swear 70% of the time i'm just flying straight into them
>>50534315Use focus (slows your movement and usually narrows your shot) a lot. Don't restart just because you got hit unless it's like stage 1. You'll get burnt out much faster if you do that. Try to spend all your bombs before you die. Learning how to dodge uncomfortable situations is good but if you just want to clear the game you should bomb the moment you think you're about to get hit. All of that is way easier said than done but just keep trying.
Just finished my first EX. Honestly I was surprised by how doable it was.In the meantime I've also started trying IN's and PCB's EX and again I'm surprised by how doable they seem, I remember maybe like a year ago I though they were impossible kek.
>>50534315How long ago have you started? It's natural as a beginner to lose all lives at Stage 4.This guide helped me a lot when I was starting out: https://web.archive.org/web/20220905204112/sites.google.com/site/touhoueosd/>I tried asking on /v/ but some retard spammed the thread with CP and it got deletedJust so you're aware, there are bots/schizos who instantly spam CP in any thread that has Touhou in the OP image, even if it isn't a Touhou thread. This has been going on since mid 2025, hence why /jp/hu exists due to refugees, besides the mod crackdown that has been going on since mid 2024, but I digress.If you want to seriously discuss Touhou gameplay, this is the correct and only thread to do so.
>>50422901why are you talking about gameplay outside of /v/? seriously, did something happen?
>>50535166It depends on how fast they are, I can read most of them but mima's faster version is usually a bombskip for me, and marisa's on seihou feels dodgeable, but when one of the orbs is destroyed while the circle is coming at me the movement of the remaining ones becomes weird as fuck and sometimes kills me.>>50536485Anon, touhou gameplay threads have been a staple of the board since early 2011.
>>50536485fuck off retard
>>50536294Thanks, it's wild that those things even exist.
>>50534315>>50426735
>>50522047looks sickkeep going
>>50522047Greatly looking forward to the release. I've been following this for years.
Are there any downsides to using dgVoodoo (& Special K) for these games? I get much lower input latency than I do with vpatch.
