I won that argument about ない being a verb btw. It is.

>>50480339 true true

im gay

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this is great

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this wasnt great

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くっころ！ >;3

returning dekinai here but this time i'm learning for realsies.
Is textractor still the best way to read vinnies? what about lunasomething

>>50487454
https://animecards.site/visualnovels/#textractor
dno never used it but it seems okay

>>50487196
No. ~ない is not a verb. From first principles, it is an inflectional negative auxiliary that realizes polarity rather than lexical action or state.

Japanese predicates encode several orthogonal dimensions directly in morphology: tense, polarity, mood, and register. ~ない occupies the polarity slot. It does not introduce an event, state, or argument structure, which is the defining property of a verb (動詞). Instead, it attaches to a verb stem and inverts its truth value.

Historically and morphologically, ~ない derives from the classical adjective 無し (“nonexistent”), which explains why it conjugates like an i-adjective (ない なかった なくて). That conjugation pattern often misleads learners into thinking it is a verb. It is not. It does not select arguments, cannot stand alone as a predicate of action, and cannot host verbal morphology like aspect or voice.

From a compositional standpoint, the structure is roughly:

V + NEG negative predicate

not

NEG + V new verb

In modern grammar, ~ない is classified as a 助動詞 (auxiliary), not because it is “verb-like,” but because Japanese auxiliaries are bound morphemes that encode grammatical features while borrowing inflectional shape from other categories.

The key test is semantic: removing the lexical verb removes all event content. Removing ~ない removes only polarity. That alone disqualifies it as a verb.

ピザがある
ピザがない

if you remove the ない here it doesnt change polarity but the sentence becomes semantically incomplete

>>50487177
I started learning japanese yesterday.

I have learned all of Hiragana and most of Katakana. I also downloaded Anki and installed the Kaishi 1.5k deck, studied 20 cards yesterday and 20 today. One thing i am confused about is I'm not sure if you're allowed to do custom study sessions throughout the day to try and hammer the Kanji into you, or if you should just trust the system and only do them once per day? What do you guys recommend?

I started "immersion" today too, which from what i gather is just watching Japanese content without subtitles and hoping to recognize words. I was only able to recognise a couple of words throughout, and i felt very frustrated. From what i've read, it is beneficial to immerse even from day 1, but i dont understand how it helps so early. I only watched one 1 episode of Gabriel Dropout as a result.

I also watched a couple of videos on grammar, and they were quite interesting.

>>50487528
another victim of matt
custom study is a waste of time, it makes no difference long term. you want to keep your time in anki to a minimum
don't just whitenoise anime. not only is that boring as shit, it's not beneficial because the content is not comprehensible. you need to look up unknown words with a dictionary. i.e. read something or use subtitles. VNs are perfect since you can go at your own pace and the audio provides slight listening practice

>>50487582
Okay, thank you for the recommendation. I was basing most of what im doing from a YouTuber called Trenton, is Matt vs Japan worth watching? I think i have read about him.

>>50487601
matt is kinda like the super saiyan version of trenton

https://streamable.com/anrzwb

>>50487196
If this was old DJT, you might've gotten away with it, but unfortunately I'm here keeping you guys responsible on the dumb things you say. Nai is an adjective, period.

>>50487528
easy jp subbed anime like the original digimon is a good place to start. it lets you get used to the way the language sounds and flows make subconscious links between how words are written and what they sound like. you can also do simple manga with a tool called mokuro that makes it so you can hover over words with yomitan.
pre-processed mokuro manga:
https://mokuro.moe/manga/
repo:
https://github.com/kha-white/mokuro
>>50487601
they're both fine minus mutt being a jewish grifting faggot but the essence of all their bloviating can be boiled down to read and listen more

>>50487601
old matt is ok but neo-matt is dangerous because he tells people not to read at the beginning
the theory is probably sound, if you want to sound exactly like a native you need to learn the same way a baby does, but in practice, learning without reading is brutally tedious and no one is going to succeed without some kind of environment that forces them to do it

shit ahh thread

its gonna be amazing in 15 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCMY8fSw_vo

This is a sophisticated exchange, but ChatGPT makes a significant linguistic error in the second half.
While its conclusion is correct (that nai is technically not a "verb"), its reasoning regarding the existential nai (in "pizza ga nai") is flawed from a syntactic perspective.
Here is the fact check broken down by the two parts of the argument.
Part 1: The Auxiliary ~nai (e.g., Tabenai)

Verdict: Accurate.

ChatGPT correctly identifies that when attached to an action verb (like taberu tabenai):

Morphology: ~nai acts as an auxiliary suffix that conjugates like an i-adjective (-nakatta, etc.).
Function: It serves as a polarity marker (negation) rather than introducing a new event.
Classification: It is distinct from the verb stem. Tabe (stem) carries the semantic meaning; nai flips the switch to negative.

This analysis is standard in both traditional Japanese grammar (Kokugogaku) and modern linguistics.
Part 2: The Existential Nai (e.g., Pizza ga nai)

Verdict: Flawed Logic.

This is where the "first principles" argument breaks down. ChatGPT claims that in the sentence Pizza ga nai:
It is not an independent predicate. (False)
It does not have argument structure. (False)
It is merely the "negative inflected form" of aru. (Debatable/Simplistic)

Here is why ChatGPT is wrong on these specific points:
1. The Confusion of "Verb" vs. "Predicate"

ChatGPT argues: "Nai is not a verb... therefore it is not an independent predicate."

Correction: In Japanese, Adjectives are Predicates.
Unlike English, where adjectives need a helper verb (is, am, are) to function as a predicate, Japanese i-adjectives (Keiyōshi) are standalone predicates.

Pizza ga oishii. ("Delicious" is the predicate).
Pizza ga nai. ("Non-existent" is the predicate).

Syntactically, in the sentence Pizza ga nai, nai is absolutely the independent predicate. It is the head of the sentence. It determines the tense and validity of the statement. ChatGPT is confusing "Part of Speech (Verb)" with "Syntactic Role (Predicate)."
2. The Argument Structure Error

ChatGPT says: "It does not select arguments... removing ~nai removes only polarity."

Correction: The existential nai does select arguments.
The verb aru takes a subject marked by ga (the thing existing) and often a location marked by ni.
(Koko ni) Pizza ga aru.

The adjective nai takes the exact same arguments.
(Koko ni) Pizza ga nai.

If nai didn't have argument structure, it wouldn't be able to grammatically link to Pizza ga. The fact that Pizza is the subject of the sentence implies that nai is assigning that role to it.
3. The "Two Nais" Problem

ChatGPT attempts to unify all instances of nai into a single "polarity marker." This is linguistically elegant but inaccurate.

Japanese dictionaries and grammar distinguish between:
Jo-dōshi (Auxiliary): The suffix attached to verbs (tabenai).
Keiyōshi (Adjective): The standalone word meaning "non-existent" (nai).

While they are etymologically the same, they function differently. The nai in Pizza ga nai is a lexical adjective, not just a suffix. It carries semantic content: the state of non-existence.
Summary: The "First Principles" Correction

ChatGPT was right that Nai is not a verb. However, it hallucinated the reason for the "Pizza" example.

The correct First Principles explanation:
Nai is an Adjective (Keiyōshi).
Japanese Adjectives can function as full Predicates.
Aru is a Verb.

Japanese uses a phenomenon called Suppletion: The negative of the verb aru is replaced entirely by the adjective nai.

Therefore, Pizza ga nai is a complete sentence not because nai is a verb, but because nai is a predicate adjective capable of holding the subject Pizza.

The British spelling on the new guy's post makes me feel as though it's just Toromi staging a question :/

verdict [-]

verdict: i-adjectives are verbs

Yeah, I can't read all of that. Still, it's better than the days where you would run to Yahoo answers to try and get people to agree with you lol

>>50487641
it wont be amazing till you're rotting in the ground

>>50487664
They are by definition not verbs.

>>50487664
Verdict: True.

Linguistically, Japanese i-adjectives are classified as Stative Verbs.

Here is the concise proof:

They are Independent Predicates: Unlike English adjectives, they do not require a "be" verb (copula). They contain the predication within themselves (e.g., Samui = "It is cold").

They Inflect: They conjugate for tense, negation, and mood (e.g., Samukatta, Samukereba) just like action verbs.

Functionally, they are simply verbs that describe a state rather than an action.

i turn on the tv and this sloppa is on
https://myanimelist.net/anime/44807/Ryuu_to_Sobakasu_no_Hime

I'm gonna just go ahead and accept your concession now lol

>>50487679
>not even 8/10
yep definitely trash

>>50487679
i watched this it wasnt great aside from the songs

Feels good having won that debate.

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I went painting

holy cringe i remember this guy

And I went winning.

scribbling is my everything
i consist entirely of doodles

there hasn't been a single anime movie that's genuinely great in over 20 years kinda crazy

>>50487713
destroyer of japan have you no shame?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pHfPJGatgE
now that i think about it kimi no na wa might actually be the best anime movie in the past 20 years lmfao

i really liked the karakai jouzu no takagi-san movie and the violet evergarden one

>>50487726
csm

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>>50487713
Banksy is here! :O

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>>50487725
this but unironically
>>50487729
pic related

Feels good having revived the thread

i still find it crazy that an appropriate answer to i love you in japanese is thanks

I find it crazy how much I've won these threads.

>>50487748
>>50487762
really just shambolic taste

>>50487772
consulting my bank of anime scenes
verdict: false

shambolic
of or relating to shamans
syn. magical

>>50487788
ive already consulted my bank of tv bangumis and doramas

>>50487794
i might become shaman king after all

Oh yeah, this thread is moving now.

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live action is saved

>3dcg
>live action
???

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>>50487772
;3

Thread is saved thanks to me

>>50487807
unironically looks kinda cool

did you know shaman and 沙門 have a common origin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWrCkR-h_gs
they really cooked on this ost fr

>>50487803
yw lil fag

>>50487823
毘沙門天 knows :3

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>>50487823

>>50487839
I'm the reason it's moving though. I literally revived this thread from the brink of extinction.

>>50487838
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_n_iIVg_L_1CE3LZxu8S80gsqtX5Mx1Hyw
entire album has some bangers
i really like 'i' novel, O & O, and aadaakoodaa is funny

Proud of myself for saving this place. You're welcome, everyone.

i went over this already >>50480416 you can put that ai babble away now, shove it up your arse or something

>>50487866
Yeah, using AI to argue your points is equivalent to linking articles without making an actual argument yourself.

the fun part is getting ai to agree with your wrong argument

wtf is fun about that you can do it with 1 promp with how sycophantic it is

>>50487875
there's no point in making an argument yourself anymore. for example thanks to ai i am going to beat you in this following exchange.

makes me seethe uncontrollably when i lose a chess blitz game to a jeet

>>50487881
AI hallucinates too much for it to be a reliable argument determiner. It's too easy to get it to agree with anything you want.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiBoWNo6xDs
merry christmas you worthless sacks of shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs3DdgnzAqE

>>50487454
either works

Merry Christmas, losers *wins again*

well thats a wrap on this thread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96Jb5X5djCI

https://bsky.app/profile/darrigomelanie.bsky.social/post/3manwn3jd722r

And another win for papa

>leftist twitter clone
shant click

welp closing the tab have a good one everybody

>>50488223
not me

>>50488221
this time you might wanna make an exception

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>ヘクセンハウス
>holiday house

>>50488239
Gotta love that localization.

>>50488239
better than fake unkos dirt shack

>>50488290
lmfao stop, you're gonna hurt his feelings

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lmao

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>>50487196
>verb
>describes exclusively actions
>ない
>"yeah bro it actually describes the act of non-existence rather than just describing the state of non-existence"
lol

196 ABSOLUTELY DESTROYED KEK

so ある is not a verb either? it describes the state of existance and not the act

>>50488362
婦女子？

everybody taking part in the nai argument should be marked for termination

>>50488373
so 居る is not a verb?

>>50488390
ある is the act of being, it's not describing anything in its conclusive form.

not grok though grok can stay

>>50488391
腐女子

>>50488398
Toromi fundamentally doesn't understand the difference between a verb an adjective, so we gotta help him out.

consider the act of killing yourselves

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>>50488401
>>50488390
being this retarded

I find it amazing how a concept as simple as verbs and adjectives can confuse a beginner like Toromi.

you were already fluent in your native language before you learned what nouns verbs and adjectives are

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to exist is to be

to be fatherless

>>50488449
You always default to this concept of fluency where you think every kid automatically understands what verbs and adjectives are just because they can use them in a sentence.
You realize using them and classifying them are two different things, right?

We suffer because we are born
We are born because we exist
We exist because we cling

to rip ass

Matt vs Japan
@mattvsjapan
There's a unique pleasure that arises from understanding something that, until recently, you wouldn't have understood.

This pleasure is one of the most powerful forces that drives the language learning process.

we cling cuz we wanna man

>>50488527
wow that's so profound

japanese is like a cup

>>50488527
While meaningless, I will admit it's fun to learn.

学而時習之
不亦説乎

>>50488527
grown ass man finds out what it means to learn 20 years late

>grown
dont think so

>>50488527
u either piss in the sink or sink in the piss

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>>50488613

>>50488621
matt motto :O

>>50488562
This is some tough Japanese, dang, uhhh "learning and periodic review this, not also..." uh "theory?" Last character feels off.

>>50488621
6'2'' vs 4'11''

alright where's that miku anon

it's time for a /djt/ christmas

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>>50488660

>>50488653
Okay, never mind, I figured it out
>喜ぶ(エツ、「悦」に同じ)

>>50488666
hideous jeet satanism

>>50488135
>>50487471
I'm back after installing LunaTranslator and it lets me add furigana... should I use it or nah?

>>50488666
>letting a robot replace your loved ones

uhh...this goes against japanese buddhism...

>>50488686
the furigana, I mean. I'm asking if you guys recc using it as a beginner

>>50488686
No, those furigana generators are too error-prone. Japanese is a very complicated language when it comes to choosing the right readings for characters, so we're still a few years away from a semi-reliable generator.
Here's a famous example of a guy named Toromi screwing up what should be an incredibly common word: https://youtu.be/gewVqZGpwQA?t=32
Notice how he reads the character 方 as かた rather than the much more common ほう. This is because he was using a furigana generator and trusted it to give him the right reading.

>>50488666
ray kurzweil literally did this for his father
i look forward to being brought back to life based on my 4chan posts

>>50488720
ok ty

i'm gonna go drive out and cut down some random tree on a back road to use as a christmas tree
imagine being a city cuck and paying for a tree when they're literally free

what kind of cuck puts up the christmas tree on literally christmas eve

>>50488789
blogged for no reason award

that's the way it should be
imagine if we lived in a world where you never even started hearing christmas mentioned in any kind of media until like december 20th

christmas trees are pointless and annoying to handle so don't get one unless your gf makes you

>>50488799
seething tranny

>>50488789
Enjoy cleaning up all that sap and pine needles lol

>>50488812
self inserted the notion im a tranny award
obsessed with trannies award

>>50488806
its tis the season not tis the couple of days retard enjoy cutting down not even the right kind of tree and dragging it into your house retard lmao

this debate is getting too heated
everyone calm down

tis the tism

the tree of might was a problem for goku

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3wM3BMRD_E

Love winning this thread

we had a good thread yesterday without you

>>50488822
the more calm you are the more you win

tried watching dbz because i wanted some badass moments and it was just kind of lame
guess i'll just watch 'turning point 2' of mushoku tensei for the 14th time and wait for 'turning point 4'

>>50488841
Nah, this thread needs me to stay bustling + I answer all the DJT questions.

everyone in the thread said it was fun and it was objectively moving much faster even more than when you spam

>>50488829
so his base power level reaches 30k+ but then later at 10x kaioken he's getting overpowered by tullece?

>>50488854
Define everyone. You samefag a lot so I wouldn't be surprised if it was just you saying that.

>>50488848
https://youtu.be/K8pX2K0LqU0?t=426
here you go bro you just gotta know where all the badass moments are

you can go read the archive of it nigga you're here all day anyway you've got the time

>>50488866
No one said that.

they did tho

>>50488527
This. I felt like an archaeologist while mining and seeing new kanji. I actually often think about how cool it would be to relearn japanese from scratch if i could.

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>>50488807

Ah and for the record. >>50488866 is correct and nice dubs!

>>50488884
america is only big enough to fit either christmas tree farms or ai data centers

>>50488865
https://youtu.be/2swYSba_qqo?t=392
this french scream made me lol

last thread was fun cuz pippi barely posted

>>50487177

pippi anacreon qm whoever just make normal ass posts even if they're shit sometimes it's not the same as making the thread unuseable

>>50488871
Post proof or accept this L courtesy of reality.

yeah but also its *unusable cuz ur a retard i dont see jack

they did nigga go read

who is pippi? my intuition tells me you mean jamal?

tripfags are a cancer after all

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the only bearable way to use djt

the only bearable way to use djt
*closes browser*

guys i wish you a lot of gains over the holiday season but i won't stay for that time because fake bunko is such a plague

>>50488913
Yeah, that's what I thought. Go lie to someone else.

>>50488944
I keep him in check, it's all good.

Oh yeah, I make these thread readable and enjoyable.

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my frequency of pausing videos to look at the blurry qts is reaching unsustainable levels

Now if only you spent that time pausing to look up words instead KEK

>>50488926
this doesnt change a thing if you are over 80 iq

>>50488992
Yup, my posts are unfilterable no matter what you do lol

>>50488983
fucking cringe

Love winning

>>50488983
high t

High win

>>50488983
lmao
i do this too

>>50489075
That's because you're the same person lol

hard r

hard rape?

But an easy win