Twitter/X has added a Grok-powered AI image editor that lets anyone edit any image on the platform, including others’ artwork, using text prompts.As a result, japanese artists are now deleting their post, and in some extreme cases, their entire accounts while looking for other platforms to useWhat do you think /jp/? Is this new AI update finally going to kill twitter? Are more japanese artists going to migrate to Misskey, Pomuu, Pawoo or Bluesky?
>>50491650Nah. They'd have to outright kill porn the way Tumblr did to cause another mass exodus.
The amount of niggers """"fixing"""" art by making them black will explode now that anyone can do it
@Grok black this vtuber
>>50491650grok Imagine sucks now, but it was KINO back in October when there was a week of no moderation and you could make ALL sorts of porn videos.
>>50491650Maybe the AI could fix the font in your screenshot.
I hate ai so much it's unreal
Good. Anyone that's a reactionary whiny bitch like this probably only uploaded art with shitty filters and giant "Sample NO AI NO REPRODUCTION NO AI LEARNING NO COPYING" plastered over the subject in three different places. If they move to the shitty fediwashing grift that is bsky then great, they can have their place where I don't see it
These niggas will be back in a month
>>50491650Good. Twitter's compression ruined art anyway, and made them impossible to discover and archive.Unfortunately they wont go back to pixiv or any actual art uploading site and will instead do the same shit on other worse social media with even more aggressive compression, likely into the dogshit webp format.Pixel art is dead because of twitter forcibly converting gifs into mp4.
>>50492160Blue Sky was a haven for terminally online politics obsessed retards, it was never about art.This obviously won't kill twitter, but I wouldn't be shocked if an alternative pops up or if people opt to move back to pixiv.
Pixiv's AI policy is terrible, and I say this as a slopper.
>>50491650I fear what Elon has unleashed.
>>50491650Good riddance. Artcucks are obsolete.
>>50492628Funny thing is I moved my projects over to bsky because the algorithm doesn't try to force politics everywhere. My feed is just art and cute animals there. On xitter it was constant foreign culture war ragebait all the time
>>50492709Honestly sounds like you were specifically following foreign culture war ragebait then. I only follow artists and I only get art in my feed, again in part because I'm not terminally online and only use social media platforms like twitter sparingly.
>>50492692very scary indeed
>>50491650Seems everyone is willing to risk everything for a system that will be dead in <3 yearsI think a lot of artists will still use the site but have a dropbox or something with their actual unedited images. I also can't see how this will last longer, where someone can just edit your art. It's straight up copyright infringement in the most definable way possible, you just need legislation passed.
>>50493180this is just the trend of big companies jamming AI into everything to continue the hype for investors. soulless cash grab for soulless technology
>>50493130The faggots who enjoy AI slop would go to an art museum and speed run the whole thing.It's like they don't have eyes.
>>50491695Why not just edit them back to white in the replies?
>>50493220that's what happens when people think with their cock. too porn addicted to notice or care about the catastrophic imitation they just churned out for the purpose of jerking off.
>>50491650>Misskey, Pomuu, Pawoo or Bluesky?The fuck are these names.
>>50493130>>50493220>>50493625two more weeks (unironically)
>>50491650Why do they care?
>>50493735Pedophile websites
>>50491809t. artlet who has never created anything of value in his life
Modern day "artists" are attention whore so who cares lol
>>50491650Grok is great and easy to just click on a photo on twitter of your favorite girl and tell it "make video with Grok" and prompt it "her clothes fall off revealing a tiny string bikini"
>>50494216Im a pdf and I don’t recognize those as pdf ones
>>50494219NTA but I just think watermarks are annoying. Worse, they can be easily removed by AI, so it's doubly stupid to plaster them all over your stuff.
Social media in general is dogshit for art. Pixiv is the ideal art website. The only bad thing is the fact that you need to censor dicks and pussies.
>>50494108I don't see this going well for anyone, even western companies aren't going to like this feature that basically encourages users to slop-ify their advertising in ways that could damage their brand image. And Japanese companies are so anal about copyright they don't even want people to post screenshots or official art. That said I agree Xitter and most other social media is shit for art, so maybe it's time for a return to personal blogs and websites.
>>50494676>ideal>need to censor
There is such a lack of threads being made here that I won't even complain about Twitter screencap trash.
>>50494676Artists should upload directly to gelbooru.
>>50494920Bro.... even the boorus have bent the knee to AI.
>>50494920i see gelbooru as more of an art archive than an actual art site
>>50494219Well, its not for me to decide what other people would make of my art and whether they see value in it. I can only speak for the passion I myself put in. Putting it simply, I see "passion" and "art" as two words of the same meaning. AI outputs can never be art because a computer has no passion, it only has instructions to attain a certain type of output.To restate my original point in broader wording, I believe that anyone that is actively fighting or fearful of AI, either does not feel passion in their own art, is too driven by results (likes, retweets, commissions, patreonbux) to feel such passion, or is in an art low and being conditioned and manipulated by fear/warmongers into thinking like this. By result, they delete, deface and devalue their own art, only making it compete with slop when if they simply ignored the slopmachine their works would feel more passionate. Retarded is the man that chops off his arm because it has a mosquito bite.
>>50491650>people are now editing REAL JS and JC idols in compromising positions, wearing miniskirts/bikinis and having their bodies covered in "melted vanilla ice cream"Welp. This feature is getting nuked very soonIt was fun editing fanart but this shit is getting out of hand very fast
>>50493243Because that's racist
>>50491650Pointless, there's no running away from it.
>>50491809Ok pajeet, you have no soul it's obvious why you don't care about art
AI killed the internet It was fun to find a weird photos online without any context and wonder if it was real or notMemes are going to die too, only soulless pajeets and midwits are ok with AI because they don't see the dark side yet
>>50495098is putting together outfits in doll creator programs, whether thats the sims, second life or flash games and such, not considered art?
Just gave Grok an Hecatia drawing by an artist I like and asked it to change her position to something more erotic, and it worked. I can generate endless Hecatia porn in an art style I like.
>>50491650I wish nijie was alive but alas
>>50494676Looking up for pics and tags is hellish on pixiv, unless you know the artist name
>>50495301Nijie has been pissing me off lately, why are their filenames so long now? It's completely ruined my old folder structure.
>>50491650No they aren't. There is no alternative to twitter.We will see what happens. I could see them linking more art on cancer sites like poipiku than artists actually leaving twitter.
>>50495143There's always a grey zone, anon I'm sure you can agree with me that making a good Koikatsu model or something is something more passionate than typing "draw me megumin but pregnant". Of course there's a grey zone where people spend a lot of time on just one image generation, but that's not exactly the majority of the content, right? Just like how the majority of Miis aren't particularly "artistic" because they're just "oh its about what I look like from picking a couple options", but they can become artistic by the nature of someone putting passion into making a character design. Its easy to fall into argument about details like this because nobody will ever agree where exactly to draw the line, but as long as we can agree that oneshot txt2img which is what 99.9999% of people do is not passionate creation then that's fine for my point, isn't it?
>>50495115I thought twitter banned such prompts?
>>50491809It's actually pretty funny to see they can't do nothing against it.
>>50496776They ruin their art intentionally and the clanker is still able to overcome their autism. Amazing.
>>50491650artists are retards who don't know how to read a ToS and are now just finding out. should've seen it coming a mile away when elon took over the platform and the ToS got revised to basically give up ownership of your content to the site. then there's the golden law of the internet once you put something online it's there forever and it belongs to the internet.
>>50496776The AI forgot to remove the @ watermark. I don't understand why japs ruin their drawing by putting the watermark in the middle of the drawing and not on the side. I wanna see the character, not your watermark.
>>50497023Probably because you'll just cut the watermark out if they put it to the side.
>>50497057Do japanese people know that reverse image exists? Like, even if someone removes their watermark in bad faith, you can just reverse image and find that they drew it :/
I'm so tired of this AI bullshit...
>>50492933Nta but there was a certain period (last year or so, i don't remember) where X would just force that shit down your throat even if you clicked "not intrested" or blocked those people.
>>50497124The only ways it is going anywhere is if1. It turns into something even worse with a different name.2. Something extreme forces it out of existence or past it's data remanence expiration date sitting up on the shelf somewhere such as:1. A cosmic impact event large enough to create a magma ocean or decimate agriculture globally.2. An actual population bottleneck inducing pandemic that whittles global genetic diversity down to the hunter gathering age.3. That parrot on Mars. I think he ispretty pissed off by now.
You cannot edit GIFs on X, at least not yet. Just convert the images or upload them as GIFs
>>50497239Even if companies go full stop, the tech is already on the internet and accessible to everyone.It's not going anywhere.
>>50491650It's their own fault for leaving Pixiv
>>50497282Yes that is exactly what I was saying. The only way it goes away is if civilization as we know it gets forcibly knocked backwards. Likelihood of that occuring during your lifetime is remote but still within the realm of possibilities.
>>50497249GIF doesn't exist on xitter. It was killed long ago and forcefully converted to extremely lossy .mp4, ruining years and years of pixel art.Pixiv did the same soon after with ugoira, decades of animations lost to jpeg compression.
>>50497302>webmAckshually it is possible to encode lossless video in webm using vp9 but literally nobody does it
>>50497552The last time I had this argument with someone they smugly posted a vp8 webm at me claiming it was lossless because his worthless eyes couldn't tell the difference, and even if someone used "lossless" vp9 then a gif (WHEN USED PROPERLY, FOR LIMITED PALETTE PIXEL ART) would be immensely smaller and more compatible with basically everything made in the last 30 years, on top of being easier to edit, draw, and add on to the image pixel by pixel and frame by frame.
>>50497574Yeah, I even tried to create one manually based on ffmpeg guides once and it literally didn't fucking work and I remember having to pass extra arguments to make it avoid subsampling or some shit.>easier to edit, draw, and add on to the image pixel by pixel and frame by frameIt may be easier to do that for you, but for programmatic processing, GIF is a special snowflake format that is practically video but isn't like normal video formats, and it definitely isn't like a static image. It is also a lot bigger than h264, so they just fuck it up to save themselves the trouble of dealing with them, and it's good enough for normalfags.I think the only big SNS site I know of that supports actual GIFs is tumblr.
>>50497607>It may be easier to do that for you,I'll admit I have no idea what you mean by "programmatic processing" sorry, but there's dozens of tools out there that let you quickly open any gif, insert a single frame seamlessly, and save it without having to re-encode an entire video. Maybe in the future a lossless video codec will allow the same with lightweight tools, but i'm not going to hold my breath for it.Also transparency.> It is also a lot bigger than h264, so they just fuck it up to save themselves the trouble of dealing with themIt's only true when retard normalfags abuse the format well beyond its intentions, especially forcing a full unique palette into each frame and even then still having to crop their dumbass 3 second B&W porn gif down to 240pxI'm just eternally angry because it feels like a corporate enforced death of an artform. At least .png still exists for still images, for now anyway while google attempts to replace the entire internet with webp.
>>50494676What about nijie?
>>50497668I mean that if you have a website that allows people to upload video and audio, you can't use either processing pipeline directly for GIF, but if you convert it to a video, it's just a video. You probably want to validate it, optimize it in some way (which may be possible in many cases), validate it doesn't contain embedded data, and sanitize it.Transparency is a big one, it's so fucking retarded nothing other than webp/webm supports that.>It's only true when retard normalfags abuse the format well beyond its intentions> 3 second B&W porn gif down to 240pxSo literally what people were using it for.>corporate enforced death of an artformI absolutely agree. And the situation isn't even as bad as that of flash.>google attempts to replace the entire internet with webp.With vomit-quality lossy webp specifically. Webp has lossless compression that is very impressive. It's a lot better than PNG, but nobody uses it. Now they are replacing it with AVIF whose lossless encoding mode is literally worse than that of webp.
>>50491650Japan needs their own "twitter" with no English allowed and no translator built in, and disabled right click, make it as hard as possible for gaijin to shit up the place
>>50498031>Webp has lossless compression that is very impressive.It's also worthless because it's not enforced by the format.One of the biggest things I care about is that I should be able instantly tell if a file is lossless or not, without having to rely on external tools to determine it afterwards. It's just a huge pain in the ass.
>>50496720i completely agree with you. just the phrase "oneshot prompting" alone is enough to know where to draw the line. it upsets me just hearing it. you could argue that it takes effort and passion to keep adjusting the prompt to get exactly what you might be looking for, but that also means those kinds of people would probably just jump straight to the perfect prompt if they could and then adjust it however they want. i guess there's a difference between playing god just to get something and actually painstakingly go through the process of creating something from nothing, even if you need to use references or perhaps kit-bashing when it comes to 3d modelling. many artists keep going because the act of actually making something is far more enjoyable than the end result. i know i can sometime stagger when i make art just because i need time to think and feel about what i want to do with the piece. many of the things i make i keep to myself as well, which was essential for me to learn in order to really appreciate what im doing and enjoy it for many years to come. people who prompt for ai only care about the outcome and i feel like in the long term that probably just desensitizes them to the output of the art. they'll eventually be looking for the passion people put into art and realize what matters is the sort of love and care that gets put into a piece. when ive commissioned people in the past, its never about the outcome, but always about the artists interpretation of what ive asked for. im commissioning because i like the artists work, not because i want to realize my ideas. that kind of thing is something you should strive to do yourself anyway, independent of others. the self fulfillment of making is what ends up being the rewarding part even if it takes years to learn. perhaps not in a business setting but that's beside the point. there really is no reason to compare yourself to others when learning unless you're trying to reach a standard for some sort of other goal. regardless though, it really sucks to see the internet's originality decay like this. ive become more and more distant from everything because the cat's already out of the bag. we'll get used to it with time though. people will get the serotonin they so desperately want, only to realize it's unfulfilling anyway. ai art and prompting is just candy.
>>50498060Yep, that should have been a feature, even if it's an unofficial but actually recognized alternative extension.The entire design of webp is a clusterfuck.
>>50498060>One of the biggest things I care about is that I should be able instantly tell if a file is lossless or notThis. I see a jpeg, I know its lossyI see a png, I know its (supposed to be) lossless, though some people resave jpegs as png for whatever reasonI see webp/avif/jxl? MYSTERY!All-in-one formats are fucking cancer.
>>50498110>I see webp/avif/jxl>jxlBullshit. You never see jxl other than on jxl demo pages, and whether or not they're lossless is literally there in the description next to the link to the file. I know, I know>checking jxl demos in 2k25I agree, it's dead.
>>50498126>Bullshit. You never see jxl other than on jxl demo pagesA man can dream, right? Out of the competition I do like jxl the most but that's like asking me which finger i'd like cut off.More than anything i'd rather just see file size limits on uploads rather than silently compressing uploads. Twitter's relaxed a bit on that the last couple of years, I remember it used to harshly lower quality on jpegs. Bluesky still does resizing and compression really poorly on top of being more difficult to pull the "original" image.Other mastodon instances seem okayish for now, except misskey I think converts everything to webp. Or maybe i've just been extremely unlucky in only seeing webp uploads.
>>50498141JXL has a lot of nice advantages, though for lower quality stuff and manga it's not great (looks worse than AVIF), so I'm very conflicted about it. I do hate a lot of design choices about AVIF too, but it's not like it isn't settled.>file size limits on uploads rather than silently compressing uploadsNot sure if it's better if a random guy compresses the image themselves rather than you doing it on the server and making sure it's at least not super dogshit quality. Twitter absolutely got better.>Bluesky still does resizing and compression really poorly on top of being more difficult to pull the "original" image.I only use gallery-dl for it, and it seems to do an ok job, but I don't use bsky much. It won't even let me view pics marked as adult content without a fucking account on the website.> I think converts everything to webp. Or maybe i've just been extremely unlucky in only seeing webp uploads.It does convert things to webp for browsers that support it. However, it serves the original if you know how to ask (gallery-dl). I explicitly remember reading the devs wanted to make sure you could share high-quality art on it, not just webp or highly-compressed jpegslop like twitter.
>>50498086Three fucking years of A1111 and people still think t2i is all there is. Amazing.
>>50491650You can literally use it for real people and it gives decent results, like imagine seeing some woman in twitter and just telling the AI to give her a tight bikini and do some slutty poseElon has gone insane considering the ability to do this is just pressing "edit photo" in the tweet itself and you don't even bother to take it to another site.
>>50495115Wait until you realize the reason grok video generation was censored after like 2 weeks was because people were creating csam videos with it
>>50496768You have to be creative.Instead of "white panties" write "white bikini bottom with a small red ribbon at the top center"Instead of "cum" and "semen" write "white slimly sunscreen"Etc.That said, sometimes it's a coin flip if the ai suddenly decides if the generated result is nsfw or not.
>>50498052You are obsolete. AI is making internet artists a thing of yesterday. Soon the nip economy will collapse when their major source of forex, 2d porn, dries up.
>>50498052That was early pixiv basically.
>>50498641Gave the christmas gift of chaos
>>50498052>Japan needs their own "twitter" with no English allowedMisskey?Pomuu?
>>50497249I've seen some artists I follow do that and it's annoying. Gifs on X are just low-res videos and the art is ruined.I hate that X became the hub for artfags and I hate that it's become like this now. I'd rather have people just post links to their Pixiv posts. It's all beyond tiresome at this point.
>>50496876They really are retards, all they have to do is draw a stick figure with tits, paste it as signature and grok will refuse to animate it no matter what.
>>50491650Can people automatically see the edits made or do they have to be reuploaded or whatever(I don't use X)>>50498641>>50495115>>50498664This is kinda good if it pressures courts to either ban AI or ease up victimless crimes.
>>50502198Not unless they click reply to the artist like a dumbass. The thing about this they just made it more easier to edit and gen stuff with a button next to the image.People already could just save the image and go to the site and edit it anyway.
>>50491809tldr grok qrd
>>50494216grok make her loli and naked
>>50502114>I hate that X became the hub for artfags and I hate that it's become like this nowyup
>>50492480Why are they so averse to going back to Pixiv? Hell, why did they even leave?
>>50502346Pixiv got AIsloppified and it's not good for blogposting while posting oekaki and WIPs and photos from daily life
>>50502198Only if you tweet to them directly It goes like this >Hover over an image >Button on the bottom right shows up and you can click it >Grok, their ai, lets you put in a prompt >If accepted it creates a new image >You can either download it privately or reply to the tweet directly which now tells you on the bottom its an edited imageStuff like this was already possible so the main concern is that it more or less makes twitter a free for all with how much it can be abused due to the convenience
>>50502275Sadly, while this feel like an insult to the users because now it made it as easier as ever,this wont change all the hundred of sites and local models to generate aislop, and it doesnt matter where they run off to sites like novelai will just go to the new site and scrap every single piece of their art anywaysIts literally and unironically over
>everyone wants an ideal art platform>no-one wants to deal with image moderation
Artists are mentally ill
>>50504344This
>>50504344There is a legitimately interesting body of work about how creative people are very likely to have unconventional brains.
Japanese artists are like battered wives, they are not going to leave twitter no matter what.
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>>50506183Fortunately aiGODS have made tree-hating pencilSLOPpers OBSOLETE and now nobody is forced to rely on a mentally ill transsexual to get cute images.
>>50494676>The only bad thing is the fact that you need to censor dicks and pussies.That makes it fucking useless you retard
I'd rather have the edit button present instead of appeasing to the whims of arrogant, self-aggrandizing artists
>>50494216>he says while on 4chan
>>50494216>posts a shota-fucker
>>50502346 >Hell, why did they even leave?Because Pixiv openly said they will take their uploaded images and use them however they please. The remainders use Pixiv's fanbox to make money because why do anything for free.
>>50507381Per second???? What the fug man, not even actual prostitutes make that money.
>>50507739lol'dI wonder how many frames are in a second of its animations though.
