What are /jp/'s genuine opinion on the official manga's post-SSiB?
>>50570112LE's two chapters thing is fine, Mizuchi manga is padded to hell and back, no pun intended.
>>50570112LE is boring because nothing ever happens but it has the better artist, Detective Sashitty is KINO because things actually happen, but the artist is too lazy.
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>>50570112It depends on the actual manga, but the big issue overall is that the main characters aren't likeable.Also Reimu is Homer Simpson and I'm Frank Grimes.
>>50570112I would lick Reimu’s wounds clean.
>>50570419>the big issue overall is that the main characters aren't likeableIt's alright to have main characters be unlikable for the sake of it. The issue comes with the fact that more often than not the writing falls flat on its face. Especially what Reimu said in OP's image.
>>50570728But she's completely truthful. Look at what Marisa gets away with. And Kosuzu? Weren't people whining about FS's ending because she got off scot free?
>>50570740That's what I'm talking about. In FS, the entire human villagers are essentially human caddle for the yokai, for this entire fear-feeding dogshit which ZUN insists to use for the whole reason being that Gensokyo is the place of "forgotten", so he must make a "good" reason to why it's the way it is. But then in CDS, you tell me that people here are living in paradise? It's one thing if Reimu is lying about it, except that the writing sounds genuine about this.The amount of inconsistencies between two manga's is funny. Reimu had a lot of interpretations in each manga to the point they're different people, most made by the same author.
>>50571140That's not a contradiction, it's a masquerade. Sure masquerades are dumb, but that's what it is. Although I don't find any of the characters unlikable, however I wish the story moved at a faster pace.And LE needs a more varies cast, even with the framing device I'd like more varied faces to show up so the bar is a livelier place.
>>50570112The manga is carrying the franchise at this point since the games' stories are so shit. I don't give a fuck about the Lunarians or the "Beast World" or whatever it's called. I want to hear more about Gensokyo's lore, and especially more about Mizuchi's past and the previous Hakurei miko.>>50570740It seemed to me that FS was developing towards Kosuzu leading a rebellion in the Human Village against the yook establishment. However, nothing like that came to pass and it was another wet fart ending (the Touhou standard!)>>50571192>I'd like more varied faces to show up so the bar is a livelier place.I like the idea of more and more youkai gradually becoming Geidontei regulars throughout the series. I thought Shion was going to become a regular, but I guess not. I'd like to see a bar full of various yooks from across Touhou's history, some who have never interacted before in canon, all congregating for drinks. Then I'd like to see Reimu show up and bust the party in comedic fashion!
>>50571598Pretty much everyone drinks, so I'd love some lesser used characters to get a spotlight as regulars or semi-regulars. Especially if they have personalities that are uncommon, like Shou. She's uptight and can be harsh, but is willing to let some rules slide and I think a straight man who can also talk about certain things from an insider perspective is nice.The bar doesn't really have any gods, and like you say Shion is also a good choice since she rarely gets to shine on her own without Tenshi or Joon.
>>50571611There are some characters that are so fitting for Geidontei that I'm surprised they haven't made at least one appearance: Kogasa, Reisen, Keine (hakutaku), Mokou, Seiran, Ringo, and Sekibanki. If you're gonna bring in Sekibanki, might as well also rope in the entire Grassroots Youkai Network. Other, less obvious choices: Alice, Komachi, and Koishi.I love Touhou, but man, ZUN does not know wtf he is doing sometimes.
>>50570112im too retarded to read manga>fairyshitgot bored and skipped>wahhi read it but i forgot everything not a single memory of it remains>lotus eatersdidnt read>fdsread it, dont remember anything either besides the gist of it
>>50571598>The manga is carrying the franchise at this point since the games' stories are so shit.The games' stories were fine until TD. In fact, I'm going to say that the manga was slowly turning it's story telling into the mud for adding a plot point, in which I'll become it's detriment in the long run. And that was in CoLR, where Yukari claimed that her entire species was made by humanity's fears and it feeds off as such; otherwise they're going to puff out of their existence. It's the whole reason why most Touhou stories sucks now. Because what everything ZUN made, 70% of it are counter argument against the mary sue's. And he knows it, so it's why most of these stories are underwhelming or botched. Since he doesn't really want to challenge the "status quo", all for the sake of promoting the idea that Gensokyo is the place of "forgotten" since PCB, where they are way better ideas for this.And the guy knows how to write, Kokoro is the most likable out of the bunch and her story is nice. And he managed to add a good massage in the end. >It seemed to me that FS was developing towards Kosuzu leading a rebellion in the Human Village against the yook establishment. However, nothing like that came to pass and it was another wet fart endingIt would had been a amazing twist, we can finally see Kosuzu not just developed enough but also the most memorable character out of the entire franchise if she really did that. We would had as much engagement as when LoLK was released. And another SSiB-like kino.
>WaHHMostly good, although boring at times>Suzunaan/FSGood, too short to get boring. Unlike most other works, gives a pretty grim outlook on Gensokyo>SangetsuseiGenuinely don't remember anything about it, probably the weakest Touhou manga (not counting Eientei 4koma)>SSiBEveryone has exactly the same shit-eating grin: The Manga
Forgot to add>SSiBBoring and unnecessary
The printworks suck ass. You know you've fucked up when most fanworks have more entertaining and interesting story than the official works. Had to drop most after just a couple of chapters because they just weren't that good.
you guys hate SSiB because Reimu and co. lost like bitches
>>50572481Honestly the issue is they probably skipped CiLR and are missing the full plot of what really happened in the story. If you only read the manga you miss out on a lot of key details and fun lore bits.
>>50571598spoken like a true secondary
>>50572762>CiLR and are missing the full plot of what really happened in the storyYou don't need secondary materials to understand the story. And what you're saying feels like a band-aid than a second part of said stories.If CiLR is necessary to know the full context, then it just reveals the main core of the problem in the former. Even then, CiLR already has it's own can of worms.
>>50573044What is CiLR's can of worms.
>>50573044Why not just treat SSiB and CiLR as a single work? They even share the Japanese title
>>50573053It kickstarted the "nothing ever happens", it's wild when I say that SSiB is the last Touhou manga that actually has more than just filler. Now the entire printworks are dominated by it, and most of them are dull. Lotus Eaters just highlight the issue, not the cause of the criticism. And look. CiLR is not bad by itself, it does a good job to be a supplemental work for the main manga. Which speaking of which:>>50573066>They even share the Japanese titleYou could say the same to Inaba of the Moon/Earth.Again, you don't need a supplemental work to understand the context. It's there to add extra context, not filling the gaps. But the problem stands from the community praises the latter while dogpilling the former, it gives the understanding that CiLR is a band-aid towards SSiB than complementary.
>>50572481More like the lunarians being mary sue's at first.Which is funny because Yukari is as much of mary sue as the other two. Yet they got the hate the most than the hot gap woman lmao
>>50573132>nothing ever happensGood thing. ZUN has always been fucking horrible at creating actual plots.
>>50571954>Because what everything ZUN made, 70% of it are counter argument against the mary sue's. And he knows itWHat?
>>50573151>ZUN has always been fucking horrible at creating actual plotsThat is such a bullshit argument. Sure, ZUN never made such groundbreaking plots before. But they're at least entertaining and some can be genuinely good. Ten Desires is when it rears it's ugly head when it comes to games' writing.Say what you want about SSiB, but at least it tried.
>>50573407>But they're at least entertaining and some can be genuinely goodName one that's either of those.
>>50573407The games have always been self-contained and short so it's no issue there.Any manga that goes on for more than 2 chapters and tries to have a story is where ZUN shits the bed.
I like it
>>50573412IN and MS>>50573419>Any manga that goes on for more than 2 chapters and tries to have a story is where ZUN shits the bed.Yeah, like, what the fuck did Mamizou even know about what Yukari said back in CiLR?
>>50573407Why do people hate TD so much? People dogpile on it for literally everything: story, mechanics, characters, etc. It's not one of my favorites, but it's certainly better than most of the 3rd Windows Generation.
>>50570112Personally I like them. I haven't played any of games since LoLK but I have keep up with every official print works
>>50574181>IN and MSI don't know if you're being sarcastic, but those are pretty entertaining games. For some reason I though you were talking about the print works only, my bad. >>50574183I don't really get it either. The characters are fun. The OST is ok, there are better but it does fit the game's atmosphere perfectly. And arguably it's probably the best Touhou game in terms of aesthetics and atmosphere. The mechanic is quite fun. The fights could be better. Compared to everything that came after LoLK it's a exponential improvement.
>>50574183It's the beginning of the 3rd Win Gen.
>>50577005No, DDC is the first game of the 3rd generation.
>>50577174TD is what fostered the shitty artstyle
>>50578199What the are you talking about? TD is quite literally Zun's aesthetic peak. The artstyle went to shit in DDC and LoLK.
>>50578246When did he stop tracing from his hand-drawn art and switch to digital-only?
>>50578255DDC
>>50578246>>50578256Then I can understand where this Anon's coming from.Some of his later art fells like it's missing something.
>>50571959>SangetsuseiLiterally the best.
>>50571959Eientei 4koma isn't even canon, is it?
