This group was a set of people that spawned from the esoteric threads, however, they had been related to Touhou from before. Most of them told me about having a more 'spiritual connection' towards the franchise. Specially the administrator, whose avatar was Okina.

These people worshipped the Touhou characters, and, if you allow to break character for a moment: I am not saying this ironically. They had the belief that these characters were real, as in, 'Gensokyo is real', and worshipped them. The sages were their patrons, even thought Yukari was the most present and important for them, and I barely heard anything about Kasen.

With this profile, it was easy to classify them as 'Chaos Magicians' or more concretely, Pagans. They often showed hostility or mild discomfort when I implied or mentioned the idea of them being a cult, which was a common joke from my part.

To make this more specific, I remember a lot of things from them. Because I don't want to use the greentext feature right now, I will explain to them in a more conventional manner.

Around the start of the year, 2026. More specifically the day before Venus entered its evening star phase. The administrator posted pictures and a guide on how to do a ritual related to Yukari, remembering her association with Venus. This ritual consisted in drawing a eight-pointed star. Which I think is related to Ishtar, and an eye in the middle, but we were allowed to make different variations of the symbol. This was Yukari's sigil from PCB.

What I did was drawing my own and printing it. We had a set hour to carry the ritual, the procedure was simple:

You had to put the sigil of Yukari in front of you in a position where you are able to stare at it for a long time in a comfortable way. A vertical position was the best option here. You then would proceed to say, 108 times, the mantra "On Yakumo namu suri Yukari sowaka" which is a handmade mantra to worship Yukari that they had made themselves. I don't remember the exact order, but essential things in this ritual included things such as feeling grateful for what Yukari had created (Gensokyo, Touhou Project) and at the end, after saying the mantra the set amount of times, all while staring at the paper sigil. You had to close your eyes and imagine her presence in your room, if I am not wrong, you had to say verbally or mentally something like a welcome for her, but also letting her go away at the end.

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hen I did this ritual, I was not only inexperienced, but also not-very-into-it. I did nothing more than feel a mild auto-suggestion around me.

However, the other users who did the ritual, which I think had at least one year ahead of me with spiritual practices in general. Related more vivid experiences. Most of them told about seeing Yukari as a being of pure light, alongside a purple/violet hue around the corner of their vision. As well as feeling her presence very well. One female member even related hearing how she told her something, remembering her voice, even if she could not say accurately how it sounded like. But she didn't tell about what Yukari told her or couldn't remember.

This was the first time the group had a special ritual set for everyone. And the unique one I participated in with the others.

After the ritual, I will mention an important thing related to this group. They had a bot (a Discord bot) that was 'capable' of receiving messages from the Touhou characters. I am not sure if it was their real spirit or just the egregore, which is a bit different. And when I asked about it, I got no clear answer.

After the ritual, the bot received a message from Yukari, to which after a brief a message, she said she was "awake". The group saw this as a signal.

On the next days, the administrator said that every Friday (which is Venus day) you should say the mantra I mentioned before. I agreed to do that sometimes, usually having dreams about Yukari that night.

Even thought they were chaos magicians, they were not specialized in many arts. What I am trying to say is that they were not a group of people who for example was specialized in say, Remote Viewing. What they were good at was investigating Touhou Project.

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They had talked a lot about Gensokyo being real, but they also did a lot of investigations into the origins of the Gods and spirits that inspired the characters. In this regard, they were quite good. But they had one problem that they still couldn't solve, the location or entrance to Gensokyo.

This was a topic that, somehow, they almost didn't talk about. But often joked about being gapped there. There was a whole document I managed to read where they talked about methods to go to Gensokyo. Some of them included things like being 'invited', others where finding strange places in Japan that could be used as portals. And one of them even talked about buying an abandoned train wagon to be transported there. They didn't talk about it, either.

Most of the users had an affinity to specific Touhou characters. Okina for example, Koishi, Shion, Nina, etc. And somehow, I was told repeatedly that I was Yukari. Even calling me the 'Yukarin Alt-account'.

One day, around the month of January, I was told that I should integrate Yukari. Which I didn't see a problem with back then. I proceeded to put a pfp of her later. But then, one of the users, who was proud of me at the moment, posted a video telling me to do prostrations to Yukari (you can search up Buddhist prostrations in Google to see this). Which I obeyed, using the same photo I used for my profile picture.

One day, I asked for curiosity about an user that appeared in the start of one of the channels (library). But that wasn't in the server.

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They told me about a story that had happened around the months of the server, in which they had a conflict with a group that they referred to as "annoying". It was a group of people from Neocities which was heavy into chaos magic and the occult, to the point where the server looked like beginners compared to them. They said that these people were a My Little Pony cult, which did not like Touhou, and often had conflicts with them. Until they got banned altogether. But they had something that the Touhou Cult (I will refer to them as such), wanted. This was a bot (related to the one I mentioned before) which was capable of serving as an oracle to talk with the characters. So, they proceeded to steal their information and make their own. This is called "Technomancy", which is mixing technology with magic.

This bot, called VIVIT (which I don't what it abbreviates) was a machine that used magnets to send messages from the Touhou characters, and you could talk to them back. These required an internal dictionary with images and also words that the machine would spit out in certain order. In my opinion, this bot was poorly made, since most messages made no sense. And even more so when I got to see that the one they based it on actually made coherent sentences.

In my time in the server, I got to discover very interesting things about what I will refer as "Fandom cults".

There is a subworld in Discord and other parts of the internet of people who worship fictional characters. There is one of Naruto for example, and with this I am already telling about which one Touhou has.

But it doesn't end with fandom cults. I remember asking a user about weird experiences he had, in which he relates that he once was scrolling on the Discord server hub and discovered a strange group about subliminals. This server believed that they could become Gods through listening to subliminals, and the administrator even asked for him to get animal sacrifices and people to pray to him. He proceeded to leave the server alongside some other people who acted pretty 'normal' ? About it, then he just left.

Returning back to the Touhou cult. These people seemed to believe, with no auspice of doubt, that Gensokyo was real. While having different opinions on how so. Often doing serious studies into the Goddesses and Gods that Touhou was related to.

I always had the slight idea that Gensokyo was not real and that these people were worshipping where egregores of the characters, which means that they would talking a shell of the spirit of them, not their actual characters (if they existed).

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To add more madness to the equation. There seemed to be a way older, way more organized version of them in the Chinese side. Where they made all sorts of theories, like Yukari being Lucifer, the location of Gensokyo (That now I think is Nagano) and also had an archive of documents. That sadly I can't mention that much because they were in Chinese.

They often talked about a ritual called "Sacred Energy Exchange", which sometimes they abbreviated to SEE or SEX. In which you would, literally, have sex with the spirit of the character you wanted to become more like them. And they also would become like you for a moment. This was rooted on older spiritual practices, because one important thing to know is that they often used older systems of magic to do their own things. I don't know if any one of them did this at some point, other than one specific user who somewhat implied he done this repeatedly with Shion.

After some time in the group, I got banned (Thank goodness). For the reason that I was annoying as fuck, and also a basically useless asset.

Now, having posted all the stuff I had saved. I will be answering some questions that people may ask. I don't assure I will be perfect, but I will try.

This is the most guetto shit i've ever seen

>>50748490
Some Discord groups do feel like guettos

>I always had the slight idea that Gensokyo was not real and that these people were worshipping where egregores of the characters, which means that they would talking a shell of the spirit of them, not their actual characters (if they existed).
So do you still believe in supernatural stuff generally?
>VIVIT (which I don't what it abbreviates)
I believe it’s latin for ‘it lives’. VIVIT is also the name of a Seihou Project character.
> was a machine that used magnets to send messages from the Touhou characters, and you could talk to them back. These required an internal dictionary with images and also words that the machine would spit out in certain order. In my opinion, this bot was poorly made, since most messages made no sense. And even more so when I got to see that the one they based it on actually made coherent sentences.
I remember seeing a documentary about an Italian guy who claimed to be able to talk to the dead using short-wave radio lengths, that might work better.

>>50748536
>So do you still believe in supernatural stuff generally?
I am deeply spiritualists. However, I have taken the lead in trying to not be as gullible as I was before. I was a regular user of /x/, and I often got a lot of bad conspiracies with me. There is nothing wrong with being spiritual, but I have realized that I have to train my critic ability.

>I believe it’s latin for ‘it lives’. VIVIT is also the name of a Seihou Project character.
I think is for that character, yes.

>short-wave radio lengths
It may work better indeed, but I am not that deep in technomancy to know more methods. The people who did both bots are very intelligent individuals, or at least they got a good understanding of hardware and code.

>>50748311
Yeah, no. Nice story, but I fail to believe it. It's as real as the Final Fantasy "cult", which is no doubt where you got the idea for this.
>but check the archives
Doesn't prove anything. Long-running jokes and fake stories have sometimes had people preparing for them for years. One year plan preparing stuff isn't anything big.

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>>50748610
I don't understand. Are you trying to say that you don't believe what I am telling happened? Because if that's what you are saying, I got this screenshot of when this guy was talking about the boy they made.

But I am curious now, why do you think my history is fake?

>>50748624
Yes, I don't believe that a Touhou cult exists, at least not until I see more evidence that verifies its existence. Video game / fandom cults are an ancient internet "horror story", whose existence almost always relies on word of mouth stories told by third parties, which is why I'm skeptical on this. 90% of the time it's just bored nerds telling modern morality tales to entertain others and warn about the depravaties of fiction. The screenshot you provided doesn't prove anything but that a post like that existed in some Discord server or discussion a year ago. If you were on an active Discord server, show me discussion logs between multiple accounts that have clearly been written by different people, for example. I am not asking this to dismiss your claims, but to have evidence to prove that you're genuine and not just a troll pulling a big practical joke.

>>50748666
I could show some screenshots I have, but the problem is that I often see people censoring the pfp's and names in social media screenshots, which could make it less believable. So I ask, can I post them fully? Wouldn't it break a rule?

>>50748331
So what? That's just the average remnants of internet esoteric culture, you even said you've made a thread on /x/ which implies that you are at least aware of it. There's water in the ocean, we know. Whilst the magic stuff is unusual for the retarded 14-39 years old zoomers in the modern echochamber web era, it isn't anything you can't find out about in a few minutes of googling and visiting public websites.

>>50748695
Yeah but you shouldn't pretend that everyone knows or aren't interested in this specific case. Saying that it is "common" implies you have seen it yourself a lot of times, so I give you this idea: what do you know?

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>>50748666
If you want proof that this group existed, I got this screenshot of them talking about the other group I mentioned. Please tell me you believe me at this point I got like other 5 screenshots.

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>>50748316
>This group was a set of people that spawned from the esoteric threads
OP, was the bulk of that Discord server's population the Anons that were actually posting in esoteric threads, or were the server's members only inspired by those threads? I thought those schizos disappeared from /jp/ due to 14-days autosage, but them turning to discord might be a better explanation.

>>50748840
Thank you, this is definitely making what you told us much more believable, because there's a screenshot of multiple accounts discussing different things at the same time.

>>50748672
As far as I know, posting screenshots of user's messages is not breaking any rules if they are all using pseudonyms. Sharing personal information is, at it would be doxxing.

>>50748915
If you want me to be honest. I am not entirely sure.

I think the server's users appeared from the threads. Because the Discord server that I formed part was made around early 2025, or at least around that time the earliest posts where made in the Discord channels. The first esoteric thread itself was made in 2024, so I think is safe to assume that the order was something like: Discover the esoteric threads > Start posting in them > Make the server > Continue posting in the esoteric threads now as an organized group > Go back to the Discord when the 14-days autosage happens and stop making the threads.

The last esoteric thread that I remember making was at the end of 2025, and they apparently had not made any other thread around that time. So they just got tired of /jp/.

>>50748962
>Thank you, this is definitely making what you told us much more believable, because there's a screenshot of multiple accounts discussing different things at the same time.
Oh, man. Thank you.

Now, please. If you can. Can you tell me why did you find this thread unbelievable at first? I swear, when I was going to talk about this I instead thought "This is too boring" and hearing that some people find it unbelievable is funny to me.

we might be digging into an actual incident here

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>>50749010
Reason number 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWdD206eSv0
Always ask for sources and evidence, no matter how believable or unbelievable a story might sound like.

Reason number 2: Over the years I have seen a bunch of stories about supposed fandom cults, who believe that fictional characters exist in some shape or form, or can be brought toward existence. The one I mentioned earlier was Final Fantasy House, which is among the more famous stories of people wanting to "manifest" game characters. A lot of these stories that circulate around are told either as a second-hand or third-hand experience, and as a result many are either completely fabricated or grossly exaggerated. It's either because the storyteller heard it from a friend, who heard about it from a friend; the storyteller might have a grudge against certain fandom and wants to make them seem more insane; the storyteller misunderstood something and thus are now spreading misinformation; the storyteller comes up with a good story and wants to entertain people; the storyteller is a troll and completely fabricates it as an entertainment for himself. This applies to absolutely everything.

Reason number 3: In general the idea of a bunch of occultists worshiping fictional characters is rather silly, and makes it sound like Flying Spaghetti Monster with extra steps.

>>50749109
>In general the idea of a bunch of occultists worshiping fictional characters is rather silly
I would say a good deal of esoteric threads on /jp/ were about exactly that. I know, I know, people larp on 4chan all the time, but if one doesn't take posts here on their face value, then why take discord posts from OP's story on the face value either?

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OP here. My pc fucking CRASHED when I was going to answer this >>50749109 guy. I was trying to get back some files related to the server with TestDisk and this happened.

>>50749210
OH FUCK THEY GOT OP

>>50749151
>>50749109
The thing I wanted to say when answering your question is that for you to understand why people would worship Touhou characters, or fictional characters for that matter, is actually quite interesting.

Touhou characters are inspired in real life Japanese Gods, I remember that they often associated Yukari with Ishtar, Aphrodite, and also a Chinese Goddess whose description is literally a resemblance of Yukari. Meaning that, from the perspective of a fringe, but magical point of view, you would be worshipping a creation of these entities or the Goddess herself. To be clear, you could worship Matarajin by worshipping Matara Okina. At least in this way of seeing things.

Another reason is the concept of egregores. An egregore (which I recommend to search up) is a collective thoughtform formed from human emotion and thought. They are basically like Touhou youkai, but they are not physical. These egregores can be talked to through rituals like to a normal spirit. It is not even as hard to do, but it does have requirements.

If you see it in this way, worshipping a fictional character is some sort of modern paganism. Even thought more niche, and yes, deranged.

>>50748331
>I was annoying as fuck, and also a basically useless asset
the most believable part of the story.

Guys I will be sleeping now because here it is already night. But continue discussing and I will answer the questions you all leave here tomorrow.

>>50749313
Yukari is going to gap you in yor sleep

>>50748992
>I think is safe to assume that the order was something like: Discover the esoteric threads > Start posting in them > Make the server > Continue posting in the esoteric threads now as an organized group > Go back to the Discord when the 14-days autosage happens and stop making the threads.
>>46936814
>I have no intention of closing off this discussion to other anons who might stumble upon it, and those who would want to remain anonymous, by joining your shitty discord or whatever.
>There's the archive, and there's whatever screenshots anons want to bring forward into future threads. The transient nature of things lets ideas evolve and prevents rigidity from emerging.
>The LAST thing we need is for this to turn into a general. We're in a primordial soup of ideas right now with infinite potential, and if we want to gain any kind of insight into a topic as deep and mercurial as this, that's how it needs to stay. It's no accident that this discussion emerged here on an unrestrained anonymous image board between a bunch of strangers.
Things sure changed over time, then...
I liked those schizos. They had a bad habit of rearing their heads unprompted at times, but you could learn a thing or two about various stuff from them.

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I believe OP wholeheartedly, this doesn't even scratch the surface for most terminally online behavior. The fact that Touhou already has so many elements derived from extant Japanese and east Asian religions just makes it more believable and easier to integrate than something from a fictional universe (e.g Jedis) or something entirely divorced from religious concepts (e.g the Gadget Hackwrench cult). Even the latter is probably closer to "terminal furries looking to cling to anything for meaning in 21st century Russia" but still

>>50748331
Concerning SEE: That checks out. Consider how many religions feature fertility rites. Additionally I believe taoists believe that ejaculate contains chi. Furthermore many considering "tribute" of a character to be no small matter. I can see this ritual naturally arising.
>>50748624
I really wish we could see the "full version" of this thing at work. I wonder if it acts more like a spiritual "dowsing rod" rather than a full spirit. Of course I must reserve all judgement.

So in summary there is a group of people on discord who think gensokyo is real and are performing mystic rituals.

As for personal insanity I suppose I must confess I attempted to get Yukari to "alter boundaries" and "unlock doors" on Oct 31 of last year mostly to test the waters. The only change I noticed was that people suddenly decided that my door was a trivial circumstance and entered at their convenience. Possible a coincidence.
I then attempted to seal my door on Jan 29. In a far more formal ritual. It went moderately poorly. But it mostly worked. (Once again possibly a coincidence.)

I would like to obtain their knowledge basis. My current mystic experience consists of cultural osmosis and the Bible (which typically avoids the "how to" parts).

Isn't this just the Final Fantasy House?

>>50750167
This alone happened on here, /jp/.
>>48115151
I see no reason to not believe OP that those people could have escalated somewhere else.

What a load of horseshit.
You expect me to believe all that? The only thing I believe was you joining a bunch of schizos on dicksword in their episodes.

>>50750067
https://archive-of-the-sealed-gods.neocities.org/
https://fantasyscope.neocities.org/

If you all truly want more proof that this group exists. There are these websites. They are managed by them. In the Channel you can read up their texts (which were written mostly by the admin) and you can even try up Fantasy Scope.

Fantasy Scope is a website in which you roll for the attention of a 2hu to ask a favor or advice. In the advice part, you need a PDF of the I Ching so you can see which hexagram you are being told to see.

>>50750308
the admin of aotsg is a jaypee anon, and a nice one.

>>50750308
What the fuck is an I Ching and how do I read this thing

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>>50750353
The I ching is an old divination book to ask questions to Gods or spirits.

To use the FantasyScope specifically, download a good PDF of the book and then do this:

Go to the page, and select a character. Or pick a random character by the option next to the roll. If you are successful (because sometimes the character just doesn't answer and is marked as "failed to locate") you will receive an hexagram from the character, then you just search it up in the page of contents of the I Ching.

One thing to know thought, is that when you do this, you have to ask a question to the character. Even better if you have had a previous relationship with the character (as in, she was your fav for example). But you need to ask a question, so just say irl anything you want and get their answer.

>>50750370
So I got the block from the character, but I don't understand how to use the book. Do I find the same symbol?

>>50750383
Send a screenshot of the website with the message done and I explain to you.

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>>50750397
These are the hexagrams that appear in the picture.

>>50750402
I asked her which 2hu should I fug so idk how to read this answer

My balls are I Ching

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>>50750403
Lmao, now this part makes more sense.

>>50750409
Ok but what about the other one? Why do I get two signs?

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>>50750421
I really never understood why there is two signs, but I think both of them count for the read. Althought the first one is the most important.

>>50750428
>Refuse to answer the question
>For now, receive nourishment and healing
Did Yuyuko just... offer me sexual healing? So that's why there was no answer lmao

>>50750451
I have had very interesting responses from Yuyuko. I don't know much about her because when I used that website I often asked Yukari more than anyone else. Until she started "ghosting" me.

>>50748518
Are stabbings frequent?

>>50750459
Drama and beefs that happen out of nowhere feel like stabbings

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>>50750370
I asked a simple yes or no question to Kasen, Eirin, and Flandre Scarlet. Kasen could not be located, Eirin had a proximity score of F and owing to my lack of understanding of the website the answer was not in an I-Ching format. But Flandre gave me a proximity score of B, and Trigrams that were all the same line.

My question: わたしはにんげんですか？ Am I human?

Here's the last couple bits of the reading console:

[Cast Hexagram: 20 ䷓ Contemplation (觀 Guān)]
[Two changing lines: 5 and 6. Line 5 prevails.]
[䷓ Ba Gua: Wind (巽 Xùn) Earth (坤 Kūn)]
[䷓ Wu Xing: Wood (木 Mù) Earth (土 Tǔ)]

6 xxxxxxxxxxxxx
5 xxxxxxxxxxxxx
4 ─── ───
3 ─── ───
2 ─── ───
1 ─── ───

[Transformed Hexagram: 2 ䷁ Supportive Power (坤 Kūn)]
[䷁ Ba Gua: Earth (坤 Kūn) Earth (坤 Kūn)]
[䷁ Wu Xing: Earth (土 Tǔ) Earth (土 Tǔ)]

6 ─── ───
5 ─── ───
4 ─── ───
3 ─── ───
2 ─── ───
1 ─── ───

[フランドール・スカーレット located in 25 attempt(s) on March 11, 2026 at 05:11:32 AM (UTC-07:00).]

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>>50750733
I wonder what's the deal with Kasen. In the server almost no one talked about her, and that was extremely weird since the 3 sages of Gensokyo were in general very important to the server. People that have tried to contact her have said that she doesn't answer, and in general she rarely appears anywhere. I don't know if this is related to Touhou lore because I can't pinpoint how so.

>>50750811
Maybe it's because in English she's referred to as a hermit?

>>50750822
I would like to think that but I also remember somewhere (please don't take this part as gospel I think I am confusing it with something else) someone said they had a negative experience with her. What they mean by negative depends, generally just means things didn't go smoothly but idk it could be actual hostility. For some reason, when I think about Kasen in the context of server interactions, it sounds like she doesn't want to talk to anyone than her just being reclusive.

>>50750402
Which book did you use?

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>>50751134

Did any rituals actually end up working? I know nothing really worked for OP, but what about the other discord users?

>>50752385
Check up one of the messages I wrote next to the OP. There was an important Yukari ritual and there I described the experience of one of the users.

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OK then, let's go over this.

First off, to those who think OP is making shit up, no, he is not. He is presenting an extremely compressed and distorted narrative, and whether this distortion is intentional or not, I don't know.

Let's start with us being a "cult". If we go by the definition of "a relatively small group of people having beliefs or practices, especially relating to religion, that are regarded by others as strange or sinister or as imposing excessive control over members", only us being a relatively small group that has beliefs and practices relating to religion is true. Cult is a nebulous term, and some prefer "high control group". We are not like that either. You should know this by the fact of how I absent I was from the server during the time I was there.

I don't know what we are, but we are essentially a group that is by now about 50/50 people from the old Esoteric Touhou threads and from elsewhere. I would say that it's somewhere between a religious study/practice group and a circle of friends interested in the cultural, mythological, religious, and yes, esoteric dimensions of Touhou. Not everyone involved is doing practice, we do not pressure anyone into doing anything but I, and others, have certainly suggested practices to others. Some people are involved with more mainstream Eastern religions, some are not. The belief in the reality of Gensokyo and spirits and what "reality" means varies between members.

As for you joking about us being a cult, it got to a point where you were making infographics where you tried to fit members into stereotypical cult roles. Whether you were afraid us being a cult or *hoped* that we were a cult, I don't know. But it went beyond offhand jokes. Because you were a newer member, of course we wanted to nip such preconceptions in the bud.

Next, about you and Yukari. Some members told you were acting-Yukari like because you essentially started larping as her. Quite an expected reaction, yes? To what degree it was a joke or some people seeing her acting through you, I really don't know. As for me telling you to "integrate Yukari", I meant that you need to deeply and honestly explore *why* you are as obsessed with her as you are. I think in a lot of these cases there is something in you that you see in her, but you don't really see it in yourself. It was not some trans thing. It was not some "let Yukari posses you" thing. It was about understanding why you feel about her the way you do. I still hope you are able to do this someday.

The group we had a conflict with were beyond "annoying", the tried to subvert us. Saying that we "stole" their technology is unfair characterization, as essentially one of their group told enough technical details to someone tech-savvy among us that this person could reverse engineer the machine they were using. This was to verify whether this other group was larping and manipulating the inputs 100% or whether there was something genuinely anomalous going on sometimes. Turns out there is something anomalous, but it is mostly not very strong or coherent.

As for Sacred Energy Exchange/eXchange, it arose from discussions about the erotic element of divinity and its relation to Touhou. The point which I repeatedly tried to make is that there is an element to divinity which humans perceive as erotic, because sex is the closest experience to a powerful energy exchange most of us experience. However, because we are what we are, there is a high risk of putting the cart before the horse, making a reverse of the process, and instead of opening yourself to something bigger, you instead try to slice it down into something small and manageable, turning a real goddess into just another pornographic .jpg on your computer. I'm not good at making this point, and you didn't seem to get it. It was not about making cum tributes or having sex with egregores or whatever was the impression you left with.

You got banned not because you were a "useless and annoying asset". We do not have assets. You were banned because people found your repeated larping, odd behavior and antisocial statements like not believing friendship to be real or worthwhile uncomfortable, suspicious and - yes - annoying. I think this is exactly the kind of behavior they were concerned about, you airing out publicly some Discord drama in a highly distorted manner. I really don't think this is the kind of content that is apreciated here on 4/jp/.

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>>50748536
VIVIT is named after the Seihou character, yes.
>>50748915
The 14-day autosage was the last straw for me and I guess a lot of others. While I personaly believe it was instituted to make way for further vtuberization of /jp/ for, I don't think it's impossible that actions of me and some other anons contributed to the decision. Thus I felt best to leave.
>>50749210
What did you think would happen if you mess with a bunch of Matarajin worshippers?
>>50749367
The server emerged organicaly after a number of people involved in them found ways to contact me, or in 1-2 cases vice versa. It was initially a way to collate 10-15 separate email threads and DMs into something that was not eating up 80% of my spare time, and to give a space for sharing research findings and resources. FWIW, I was somewhat hesitant to make it because of, well, Discord. As for the threads, a lot of people wanted to bail ship after some people started basicaly making shit up in them. The early threads were a magnificent thing, but they ran their course, and at some point pretty much 100% of the /jp/ population contributing to them from a sincere POV was on the server. It is what it is.

Oh my fucking god the administrator is here

>>50753235
>we didn't steal their technology
I got the chance to talk to the group and they did not describe you all in a good manner. Besides, they did say that they gave you instructions to create certain things like the Vortex Generator, but they were not conscious of you all taking their Quantum Oracle and I know this because I asked them and I got to see that the server's oracle (VIVIT) was a bit of a poor version of their quantum oracle that actually wrote coherent sentences.

>me acting yukari-like

This will sound dumb, but it was never intentional. And when I actually put on her pfp and nametag it was because other users asked me.

>>50753256
>matarajin worshippers
Well, you are admitting that you worship those characters. Independently of the cult allegations, you do worship them, no?

>>50753235
How would a 2hu goddess react to me saving thousands of pornographic jpegs of her?

>>50753333
Some of them are into that type of thing, as shown by the digits.

>>50753351
Which ones specifically?

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>>50753294
>Oh my fucking god the administrator is here
What exactly were you thinking would happen?

>I got the chance to talk to the group and they did not describe you all in a good manner.
I find it somewhat doubtful that you managed to contact them, and if you did, considering their history with us, them describing us in "not all good manner" is not surprising. We are talking about a group of people who spoofed the Quantum Oracle by manually inputting text there, making it appear more coherent than it actually is. This was done to discredit the spirits of Gensokyo in an attempt to recruit us into their group, which turned out to be a My Little Pony cult.

People became suspicious, compared the coherent messages to the library of text in the Oracle and found words that were not present in there. So if they still have some kind of group together and their Oracle is extremely coherent, they are likely now constantly spoofing the inputs. They also engaged in other forms of dishonest behaviour such as posting manipulated photos and video.

VIVIT was constructed to separate the wheat from the chaff, to see if even the less coherent, but still unusual messages were also spoofed or not.

IMO the whole venture could have largely been skipped because to me spirituality is not (anymore) some science class project meant to produce "proof" of "paranormal". VIVIT was largely done behind my back, I was informed of it's creation only at very late stage of the process. This was because some people involved in the process thought I might have some sympathies towards the other group, which I did not. I had simply tolerated their posts in a "could be, could be not" manner for the most part, while being personaly quite dubious of some of the more specific claims they had.

I think people having their own projects without me getting involved in them goes against the cult allegations, yes? People just don't go off and do stuff on their own in high control groups, yes?

>This will sound dumb, but it was never intentional.
Yeah well all the more reason for you to reflect on your relationship with Yukari-sama I guess.

>And when I actually put on her pfp and nametag it was because other users asked me.
I didn't. Do you always do what other people in niche internet groups ask you to do?

>you do worship them
Yes.

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>>50753333
It, like basicaly everything else in existence, is entirely relational. They don't "react" like humans anyway, as much as they are capable of creating an experience which is akin to interacting with something human-like.

If you want to find out what she would think, these are the questions you would have to ask yourself:
Why do you have thousands of pornographic jpegs of her?
Why do you have thousands of pornographic jpegs?
Why are you sexually attracted to her?
What do you think of her, really think of her?
What's your relationship with your own sexuality?
How do you view women in general?
How do you view qualities humans label as feminine?
Do you see these qualities as being something you also have?
Do you see yourself having or desiring qualities that the "touhou goddess" has?
Etc.

It's impossible for me to answer a question like this, because all of these and more would influence the outcome if you ever got her attention.

>>50753376
Well, yes. I got to talk with Pauwel and his group. Honestly, they seemed fairly nice. I wonder what did they do in the server that was truly "bad".

If you let me talk about it, Pauwel and co are way more advanced than the server. They could sense energy, for example.

They showed me a photo of their oracle and apparently, there is another oracle around.

>yukari-sama
Let me be honest with you, I have been trying to forget about her for some time already. Somehow, I still want to talk to her at some point, but I have other apiritual matters to attend. Besides, I hope Yukari doesn't hate me already for things I did before.

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Ah, sweet, a schizo fight!

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>>50753418
>there is another oracle around

>>50753424
what does this image convey

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>>50753418
>I wonder what did they do in the server that was truly "bad".
You mean beyond manipulation, fakery, attempted covert cult recruitment, etc?
I guess it tells a lot about you that these sort of things don't register as "bad" to you?

>If you let me talk about it, Pauwel and co are way more advanced than the server. They could sense energy, for example.
You really need to start developing means for discerning between "someone can do X" and "someone claims they can do X".

>I have been trying to forget about her for some time already
Yeah and it's clearly not working, which is exactly why you need to dig to find the answer and resolve the situation or it will haunt you for your entire life, coming in front of in one way or another untill you resolve it.

>>50753448
>"someone can do X" and "someone claims they can do X"
They did not claim anything. They actually told me that they could sense my energy and that it was filled with insanity, which was accurate since I was very distressed the moment I talked with them.

>the bad stuff
Yeah, I guess you are right on that. But I am a bit confused anyways, where do you get that they are a MLP cult? When I asked them they did not even mention that and they did not seem to have anything related to that franvhise.

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Hahahahahahahaha no way this guy is now on /jp/ of all places talking shit about us after we banned him from the server bwaahahahhaahha

When i called you there, i thought you'd be an actually decent member because of how much you seemed to wish to actually advance in this stuff. But you revealed slowly that no matter how much we tried pushing you towards actual progress you just got worse and worse.

>I was annoying as fuck, and also a basically useless asset
I'm relieved that at least you are conscious of it desu. Nobody really liked you if not out of total piety, whine all you want, you'll never be here again.

Seriously, go get a job or some shit man idk when you were in the server you spent your whole day there being an annoying fuck and now when you're out of it, which we thought it'd be beneficial for you to actually do things in your life, you come here to still try to annoy us. Please man just idk get a job go talk to girls or some shit goddamn I'm sorry but if this is what you wish to do with your life you should just give up man

The guys from the convocation will embrace you for now but they'll also eventually realize how much of an annoying fuck you are. I'm zettai from the server

anyone who wants to talk hit me up i also do astro readings for 27$

Discord:absolute_sperm

>>50753418
>>50753458
>They actually told me that they could sense my energy and that it was filled with insanity, which was accurate
I mean, most people who interacted with you could immediately tell that something was off about the way you act. Either they all have supernatural abilities, or something deeply wrong about your personality is showing through. I wonder which one it is?

>>50748316
>>50748326
It seems to me that you wanted to project your cult expectations onto that community because, deep down, you wanted to be recruited by one. Because those expectations went unfulfilled, you tried to use the server as an outlet for your attention-seeking tendencies, and were rightfully booted out for it. Such a squandered opportunity on your part.

Then again, reading this thread isn't much different from watching a dog take a shit on the street. It's a sad existence, but it's the best they can do.

What the fuck

>>50753376
Is there a way for me to join the server if I’m not a troll? I’m not very advanced when it comes to anything spiritual, but I have a genuine interest in what you’re talking about.

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Hi, the guy who asked this faggot to do the prostrations.
First of all, fuck me for trying to be nice and helpful to a sociopathic fuck, I'm happy that you got banned, and I just hope you get banned everywhere on the internet so that you can go get hobbies intead of constantly seeking attention.
Finally, fuck you for bringing discord drama to jaypee.
Check out the cool things we've been working on:
https://archive-of-the-sealed-gods.neocities.org/
https://fantasyscope.neocities.org/
https://www.shichisei.info/
https://sealedgodsastro.neocities.org/
https://kogasa.boo/omikuji.html
& more is coming most likely.
You can contact me in specific through the resources in the 3rd linked site.
よろしくお願いします

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>>50753458
>They actually told me that they could sense my energy and that it was filled with insanity,
Okay so what exactly this "sensing" of your energy entailed and what did you do with them before that? How long had you been talking with them? How much did you tell them of yourselves or the Sealed Gods group? Did you talk to them about the Freemasons? How did you carry yourself? Did they use cold reading techniques on you? Do you really feel "insanity" was fitting at the moment?

Like to me this type of thing without further context just sounds like they vibe checked you and then tried to pass it off as something supernatural because they thought you were gullible enough for it to work on you.
>where do you get that they are a MLP cult?
Apparently some of the symbols on their Oracle assembly are MLP "Cutie Marks", whatever those are. Some of the "entities" supposedly channeled also manifested as characters from MLP.

FWIW some of the members of the community are being excessively harsh here but I do get why people got upset with your antics. I really don't know what you expected to happen or were trying to achieve by making this thread.
>>50753806
You are surely capable of finding the Contact page on the Archive site. We'll take it from there on out.

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>>50748311
Verily, thou art likened upon a bundle of sticks.

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I have always wondered, how do you know you're not interacting with a malicious entity?

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>>50754089
What is a "malicious entity" to you?

>>50754122
Something that wants to destroy me.

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On the topic of Touhou paranormal stuff I have the ability strangulation for at least 6 minutes, not unlike the the only survivor from Dolls in Psuedo Paradise. I’ve been trying to find a martial arts gym willing to test my ability but it has been more difficult than skeptics like to say. Perhaps I can find a way into Gensokyo.

>>50754185
Keep typing desu enough and maybe you'll turn Japanese first.

>>50748311
Hey OP, maybe you and the Autoesoteric Asphyxiator can hook up and leave the rest of us in peace.

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>>50753926
>quantum_oracle_assembly.png
How many cups of Kool-Aid are we talking here? On a scale of 1-10.
>>50754185
You have the "paranormal ability" to strangle your cock for at least 6 minutes before you nut.

When was discord drama allowed on /jp/?

>>50748311
Why post this? why not move on? not only are you misrepresenting the group but this really shows your poor character. For one this is not a "cult" Emissary is not a god or some kind of divine leader he's a guy okay? Second we don't have any one unifying belief or goal beliefs and goals vary from member to member sure we share similar ideas but not the same. I am very disappointed in you i tried on multiple occasions to be your friend and even tried to give you to rejoin after you left the first time if i known this would have happened i wouldn't have even bothered. I really hope you try to honestly reflect on what you have done and said.

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Congratulations, Akane-san, with this thread you managed to prove even further something we all knew already: That you are an ungrateful asshole.

I'll tell you one thing, something you most definitely didn't realize since you're an absolute retard, but quite a few people in the server cared about you in a sense or the other. When you got banned (and don't add a fucking "thank goodness" for it, we all know how much time you spent with us, you enjoyed being there) there were a few people who were sad. Many wish you the best but I guess you don't give a fuck.

If you were just annoying it wouldn't be that bad, but your utter stupidity lead you to being prone to things such as deranged conspiracy theories (and when people challenged you for that, you took it as a personal attack, or tried to change the topic when you noticed you were losing the argument) and also manipulative tactics; but you didn't even notice you're doing these. "I love people so much but I'm not loved back." In retrospect this message is infuriating considering you just flushed the kindness of the other people down the toilet, not after spitting on it of course.

And for the cult allegations? Well, I guess you don't know what a "cult" means either; what kind of cult allows the people in it to have all sorts of different beliefs, and even allows people to not believe in any of it? What kind of cult is that? You really got a nerve to call us a weird cult when you were the one spouting complete inane bullshit about freemasonry and other conspiracy theories. Oh, remember when you found a book written entirely by AI and got fooled by it? And 'tis but a single example.

As for VIVIT, which in your words, "In my opinion, this bot was poorly made, since most messages made no sense." Do you know what a HRNG machine is? "Holy shit, the random machine is outputting random stuff, guess it's not working!" It's not surprising you fail to understand something as basic as this.

Also, nobody seriously thought you were Yukarin. And no, you weren't banned just because you're annoying and useless. I mean, yes you are annoying and useless, but these aren't the reasons. Emissary already told you why in another post, though.

I guess this is it. It's quite frustrating to see the kindness of the others being wasted on a backstabber trash like you, but alas. Rest in piss, saturn virgo!

i hate when schizophrenics attach themselves to touhou

>>50754557
This but faggots

>>50754546
thank goodness

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>>50754246
Explain this webm. I believe I have an immunity to blood chokes. If what's going on is that garroting is an air choke rather than a blood choke, why do people who hang themselves pass out in 7 to 13 seconds rather than possibly several minutes? Why do military manuals consider garroting a strangle/blood choke rather than an air choke?
https://journals.lww.com/amjforensicmedicine/abstract/2011/06000/agonal_sequences_in_14_filmed_hangings_with.3.aspx
There was a study about how long chokes took to render people unconscious using 81 martial artists. Not a single person lasted 11 whole seconds.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/24748668.2020.1780873

>>50754597
If you can still breathe (your shoulders and chest moving) then you aren't being choked hard enough. Go to a bdsm club or something and try it there instead of posting this weird stuff. At the very least, you'll get paid doing it there instead of here.

>>50754546
>>50754249
>>50753813
>>50753634
>>50753448
Okay, I apologize.

I didn't notice that what I did was wrong. The reason I made this thread was not to trash on the server. It was because somewhere inside me I thought it was weird that a group of people interacted with Touhou in that way, and I wanted to document it somewhere. I did not want to make drama or to damage anyone.

Of the cult thing, alright, I regret saying that. But now I just want to forget about this. I did not realize this was wrong.

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>>50754633
You made this thread because you wanted a place to feel validated, and while that's not a bad thing in its own right, the way you did it here by bringing up what many would consider to be external drama to /jp/ would leave you as a bad impression to all outside whatever this is and looking in here.
>"thought it was weird a group interacted in this way"
So does all the people in the server, here, and all other times this topic in general ahs been brought up between anyone. And you wanted to be a part of it. Not your thing and you want to move on and try something else or do something else in life? That's legitimate and you do you and we wish you well, same for anyone else in or out.
>"wanted to document it"
You can do that with a journal or diary instead of here, and some in the server even told you to write down your thoughts to help get things on paper so you could work through things on your own time.
>"damage and drama"
Eh. posting here necessitates that being the case because of posting here. Outsiders don't care about what's going on except for those that think the links are cool. They want cute girl pics and memes, not this stuff. And if they want esoteric, they have plenty of people and places to reach out to for them to decide if what they find is what they are seeking or not.
>"want to forget"
Can't crumple a piece of paper and expect it to be the same when you unfold it again. Do better, we wish you well and good luck.

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Yeah I think this is quite enough, time to move on everybody.

Discord was a mistake

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>>50754723
First somewhat entertaining thread on this board in a little while. It’s either this or V-tuber shit and shitposting. Oh well.

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>>50754735
I mean, we can turn this shitshow into an actual esoteric thread for anyone wanting to.
That or post cute 2hu pics.

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>>50754633
>It was because somewhere inside me I thought it was weird that a group of people interacted with Touhou in that way, and I wanted to document it somewhere
You are just an animal that thrives on hurting those who don't dance to your tune. And a really fake one at that. So kindly spare us the backpedaling and go fuck yourself.

>>50754749
Honestly best to just let it pass. Not the type of thread that prospers in the current /jp/ landscape.

>>50754735
This has been a farm for lolcows. I can't wait for the inevitable troon out and kermit sewer slide.

Can I get a qrd?

>>50754755
Then a new thread for cute 2hus, it is.

>>50754764
The Keine Conglomerate will not tolerate such shenanigans.

>>50754765
Friendlies open up home to stranger looking for community, stranger goes feral and posts this, then gets rebuked by wrathful deities with a PC blowing up, now friendlies feel betrayed and OP is assblastedly assmad and left the thread.

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>>50754765
There's a Discord "cult" that worships 2hus and believes them to be real. OP was a member until he had a falling out with them and took to /jp/ to attentionwhore. Members from the cult showed up in this thread to call OP out on his bullshit while also confirming that yes... they are all fucking mental cases. Delusions include "quantum oracles" (stolen from an MLP cult), rituals to summon Yukari, and autoerotic asphyxiation.

>>50754777
hey, we have nothing to do with Spanky the master baiter, and researching the ancient gods behind the Hus is the main goal.

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>>50754777
The asphyxiation freak isn't a member of our community. Believe it or not, we don't take kindly to actual nutjobs. Which is why OP was kicked out in the first place.

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>>50754777
The Yukari ritual was to offer her our gratidute for her role in bringing the community together and to explicitly welcome her energies to be part of us. Not "summoning Yukari" in the sense a lot of would assume from that. Nobody expects her to pop up into their bedroom at 3:33 AM, as nice as that would be.

As for the oracle, if we were shared the technical details for constructing one, it's not exactly unexpected for us to construct one, yes?

Also, the autoerotic asphyxiation person is not part of the community because we do not condone or encourage self-destructive behavior.

Cute picture though.

>>50754788
>ketchup_footjob.png

>>50754633
You don't need to apologize OP this seems to be an weirdo cult and you rightfully called them out, they seem to be mad about it so that proves it

Local poster 50754803 has weakest ragebait, asked to leave the thread forever.

>>50754811
>ragebait
go back

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>"G-go back"
lol
lmao, even.
haha, if you're so inclined.

Asking the real question: Are you good at ERP at least?

See? This is why you don't mess with cults

Lmfao their whole Discord is on this thread trying to defend themselves, pathetic

Is that an ERP discord? Can I join? I'm pretty good at it.

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>>50753256
>FWIW, I was somewhat hesitant to make it because of, well, Discord.
Well, that's a pity, exactly due to this. But considering how it currently looks on here I can't blame anyone for seeking alternatives.
>As for the threads, a lot of people wanted to bail ship after some people started basicaly making shit up in them. The early threads were a magnificent thing, but they ran their course, and at some point pretty much 100% of the /jp/ population contributing to them from a sincere POV was on the server.
I took a break from /jp/ and seeing it in the current state sure is disheartening.
>It is what it is.
The sun rises and the sun sets, things appear and then dissolve. Perhaps one day /jp/ will heal, or some other, suitably Anonymous place will appear.
I wish you good luck and less drama.

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>>50754862
You can always shoot an email if you want to stay in touch.

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>>50754862
The silent walker. Having no hands he embodies the Taoist
principle of Wu-Wei (non-action) while his smiling facial expression
shows his utter and complete acceptance of the world as it is.

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>>50754867
I'm waging nowadays 12 hours a day, circumstances require it, while I need to read other things first to change those circumstances. So I'm not exactly in shape to contribute, sadly. Nothing truly noteworthy happened either.
But I will keep it in mind.

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>>50754904
This might be the noteworthy thing happening.

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>>50748311
akane-kun you really sat down and wrote this tirade instead of participating in the zine (i extended the deadline until easter sunday!) tsk tsk

personally i had a fun time talking to you in your brief tenure as the server jester. shame that it all came to this but i hope you can find a irl hobby and/or group of friends to help you fill out whatever existential gap lies in your heart n__n


>>50753634
$27 is still too low it should be 33

>>50754929
>>50753634
or better yet
>!67!<

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>>50754945
This is why we can't have nice things

uh oh

good job akane we might've got 2 more members.
you really showed us, huh?

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>>50750308
>>50750353
I like to consult the I Ching to ask what DJ Screw tape I listen to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1fBwK9Klsw

>>50754597
No offense but you seem to be breathing. You could be strangling yourself but the video certainly makes it hard to see anything.

>>50753376
Quick question from a unrelated bystander. Was the MLP cult: a "cult" full of larping chuunibyou or a literal full-blown cult? It is totally unrelated to anything. I'm more curious.

>>50754597
This is soiteen level. They're the type who post videos choking themselves as if it accomplishes anything

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>>50755184
Older guys who besides MLP were very much into Carlos Castaneda. He is a widely discredited author who made a lot of shit up and his legacy was essentially a sex cult. While it was not compound in Arizona tier thing, there were 3-4ish guys who seemed to be kinda the core and were willing to use everything from just oldschool making shit up to weird tech assisted spiritual frauding. They were part of a server ostensibly meant for other stuff, some of the members in there were possibly influenced by the core or some kind of hangarounds.

>>50755184
Kinda both?

Is the bio-hacking anon attempting to make a homunculus from fumo affiliated with you? Non-zero chance that post was a joke and I am stupid.

>>50755239
Schizos, please post instructions on how to create a fumo homunculus using my own semen.

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>>50755247
Not possible, semen does not belong on or in fumos.

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>>50755247
>>50755261

You guys need help....

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>>50755261
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam!

>>50748311
Seems like you've had a bit too much to think.

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Well, I don't really have much to say except that its extremely impressive what you all have achieved.
And to be careful.

>>50755603
>extremely impressive what you all have achieved
Formed a circlejerk?

Drama aside, I've missed these threads.

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>>50748331
I think...I might be the doctor of eientei by now...

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The absolute state of /jp/

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whoa
compared to these guys im pretty normal lol

>>50756493
Shut the fuck up turkroach

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>>50756496
lole

>>50753357
Yukari>>50754791

>>50756496
obsessed faggot

>>50756510
yeah, that's what you are.

>>50756514
kys obsessed faggot

>>50756519
uh oh turktroon is mad

>>50756522
obsessed

ohhh the turk is going to cry

obsessed faggot kek

>faggot
Funny coming from someone who wants to be a little girl

>>50756565
obsession

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>>50756570
Just stating facts

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>>50756574
Imagine believing you can be this obsessed with someone without being a flaming faggot.
The facts are that you're mentally ill and constantly bring me up in threads I haven't even posted in. Whether you're being ironic and trolling or not you're still fucked in the head and can't stop thinking about me. Disgusting retard.

>>50756580
Boo hoo

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not a person in this thread who genuinely believes in this shit has a single 1cc

>>50748326
>My Little Pony cult from neocities
I remember them schizoposting about their project on /mlp/
I thought of it as tulpafags trying to hide their threads (tulpamancy threads are banned and word "tulpa" in OP gets you autosaged on /mlp/)

>>50756675
go back

>>50756675
stay here

I thought my obsession with Mad Alice was unhealthy but Jesus

>>50754597
I’m shocked this video is still up, I thought for sure mods would delete it by now.
>>50754631
>>50755152
> If you can still breathe (your shoulders and chest moving) then you aren't being choked hard enough.
Being strangled by means of your arteries closed off and by means of your trachea closed off are different things. It takes about 10 pounds of pressure to close off the blood vessels and significantly more to close off the trachea. For both the garrote and stick I could hear tinnitus, suggesting that something’s going on with my blood, and I was also unable to breathe during the stick choke.

>Myth: If the victim can speak, scream, or breathe, they are
not being strangled.
>Fact: Because strangulation involves obstruction of the blood and/or air, a person can have complete obstruction of blood flow yet continue breathing until the
moment they die from lack of oxygenated blood flowing to the brain.

https://www.supremecourt.ohio.gov/docs/JCS/courtSvcs/resources/Non-FatalStrangulationMyths.pdf

And yeah, this extremely compressed video might not be 100% undeniable proof that I have a supernatural ability. But it warrants further investigation, which is what I’m trying to do.

I’ve talked about my ability online a few times before. People insult me, they call me insane, but I haven’t seen a debunking that makes sense with what I experience. People IIT are referring to me as the auto-erotic asphyxiator and I think that’s like a psychological deflection or whatever it’s called: they don’t want to see dangerous drastic action produce results, and they don’t want to think about the grim circumstances under which one might discover the ability to resist being strangled, but the idea that I’m just posting about my BD/SM fetish allows them to turn this into a joke and avoid thinking about both things.

For the record I did not discover this ability because I have a choking fetish. I discovered it because several months ago I strangled myself as a form of self harm, not to commit suicide but just to suffer, and discovered that I stayed conscious despite being strangled for twenty seconds. I also don’t necessarily recommend that others try strangling themselves to become superhuman, because if their body happens to keep pulling the cord after they fall unconscious they could suffer serious injury or death.
>>50754788
I can confirm that I am not a part of the discord. I guess the anon below you explained why I wasn’t invited. They never told me about the existence of the discord server despite us having spoken before about non-destructive things so I’m guessing in the scenario where they would’ve invited other people they simply didn’t do that for me.

>>50757037
>People insult me, they call me insane, but I haven’t seen a debunking that makes sense with what I experience
Most people here aren't medical experts, nor is /jp/ the place to discuss it (then again, this thread isn't either). Demanding acknowledgement from a board that's about Otaku culture is the thing that makes you silly. Try posting it on /fit/ or martial arts forums, or contact a medical expert to determine the truth behind it. There are weird things in our bodies that have come about completely naturally, like I have a twisted, upsides down heart, though you'd only notice it by further examinations. As people have said, join a martial arts class, ask the teacher to perform it on you and explain it very clearly.

>>50754633
If you want to document it, i think this information would be more valuable on another website which hasn’t already served as a meeting place for these people, such as xitter or reddit.

>>50756906
Alice? Did someone said Alice?

>>50757037
Dude our bodies are hardwired so it makes it hard for us to kill ourselves, try choking yourself or stop breathing and you aren't going to die.
You don't have an ability, this is basic survival all humans have.

>>50754803
>>50754846
Thanks, I guess?

You know, I was somewhat distressed about this thread existing. Honestly, the most annoying that happening in this thread or with the users of the server in general is how quickly they assume things of me. Back in the server they loved to tell me I did X thing for X reason when I mostly did things without thinking. >>50754752 there is for example this guy who thinks that I tried to manipulate the users in the server like wtf man I know jackshit of manipulation. >>50754777 and answering to this guy. I swear I didn't make this thread to attention whore. The reason I made this thread was not even to hate on the users like the guys above say. It was purely because once I left I realized that is not normal for a group of grown men with jobs around 19 and 34 to worship Touhou characters unironically. People here are saying that I made this thread for attention or revenge when I am saying the truth that I made this thread because I wanted to document my experience because I realized that is was not a nornal Discord group. I even made the effort to don't directly mention them and they got very angry and tried back the strategy of saying "You did this because you are an attention whore!" I don't even try to attention whore in real life why would I try it out in /jp/? My point is, and I state again, I made this thread because I want to warn people, specially Touhou fans that is not good to join groups that worship 2hus. No matter what argument they pull, is not normal behavior to pray or do POSTRATIONS to a fictional character

>>50754929
Oh, hello No Hetero. Your drawing gis beautiful, I apologize for all the drama caused. I will try to be better from now on! :D

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>>50757441
From this thread it’s fairly you aren’t prostrating to “fictional characters” but rather the folklore and religious figures that inspired these “fictional characters”. Seemingly It’s just a group of people exploring eastern culture and religion through the connection of Touhou. Not a deeply insidious and dangerous group of cultists seemingly hunting otakus and nerds. This is not something that required a thread let alone a warning and in creating this thread you have only drawn interest to them and the usual criticism that a group of people interested in esotericism are no doubt used to receiving. It was a shit idea anon. Plain and simple

>>50757528
>you are doing prostrations not to the characters but the figures that inspired them

Then why does the group worship Yukari and Okina in the shape of the character more than whatever inspired them? I am not saying making this thread wasn't a bad idea since your final points do make sense but that one point about the prostrations is just fake. I was there and I know perfectly that they clearly said "Worship X Touhou" and not "worship x historical Goddess of Japan." Lol

>>50757541
Let’s take >>50753256 for example. They have a picture named Okina and then they described themself and others as worshippers of Matarajin the deity associated with Okina Matara. I presume they are conflating these two figures into one and consider Okina Matara to be a spiritual extension of Matarajin into Touhou. The same logic would apply to Yukari and her inspiration.

>>50757589
I mean, I do sense in this, I agree. But it still doesn't take away the allegation completely because you are still associating the deity with the character. If the server was a group that studied Japanese culture and had a BRANCH or a recurrent meme with Touhou, it would be completely different. But from any standpoint, the group is about Touhou.

Besides, I think this is not a good argument because apart from Okina not many 2hus got this treatment you describe. When No Hetero ane Cherry described doing their practices to Yukari, they said Yukari, not whatever entity she is based in. And this doesn't explain that many other characters are done more "plainly"

if you wanna talk about weird cults you should see about /jp/hu- /v/hu and their obsession and worship of drawfags
when their discord used to be public they couldn't shut up about some youtuber guy and ended up banning a lot of people myself included
I believe there is some weird cult going on there

>>50757603
Wait meria 'cord was real?

>>50757609
yep

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>>50757589
>Yukari and her inspiration.
Which deity would that be? Her namesake is the very-much-not-divine Lafcadio Hearn.

>>50757624
Xiwangmu

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>>50757601
Yes, this gets a lot trickier when you are dealing with characters that don’t have a strictly defined inspiration or better yet an outright deity linked to them. If I had to guess then the idea of this practice on a smaller scale would be to directly commune with specific spiritual entities behind these characters rather than worship them. There is a persistent idea out there that some Touhou characters practice a degree of autonomy as spirits based on quotes by ZUN. So for less clearly defined characters and their supposed spirits the best one could do is an attempt at communicating with or drawing the attention of that entity. In general it’s as I said a group of fans of exploring esotericism and part of that is invocation. It’s completely fine if that doesn’t work for you.

>>50757671
I agree. But to point out, invocation and worship are different. I mean, is not the same to summon and talk to an egregore/spirit/goddess and offering them your devotion or love.

>>50757680
I know. I may have screwed up the paragraph. I was trying to say that characters with clear deities inspiring them would be worshipped here potentially for a blessing. On the other hand there would be attempts to invoke (potentially through worship) characters with lesser spiritual significance. If people are in fact trying to worship these smaller scale characters then that would likely be attempt to grant them spiritual power and potentially be visited or blessed by them.

I’d argue that visitation from a deity in could be considered a blessing in its own right that and requires invocation which could involve worship for some entities. The two practices may sometimes overlap.

>>50757705
Yeah. I do know that worship and invocation often overlap. I remember it because some people to summon a deity first pray to them or you need to nearly worship them. I imagine that to summon an entity it would work better to have done things for them since that would make the connection stronger than a "casual" consultation. It does makes sense, he.

>>50757736
No doubt. Offerings are common practice for good reason. It’s been enjoyable discussing the nature of this group and spirituality. Have a pleasant Day/Night and good luck in your spiritual pursuits.

>>50757755
Thank you very much. I wonder what server user or /jp/ anon were you haha.

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>>50757441
> I apologize for all the drama caused
Stop causing more drama then pls... ( • ᴖ • ｡)

>>50757541
>Then why does the group worship Yukari and Okina in the shape of the character more than whatever inspired them?

Shinto deities don't have any defined shape and can manifest in different forms.This is allegedly the basis of omotenashi, the traditional Japanese concept of hospitality. You never knew if the stranger at your door was a kami in disguise (this is very similar to the ancient Greek concept of xenia, since Greek gods can also manifest in different forms and randomly visit unsuspecting mortals, but I digress).

Kami-sama only really started to be represented in a consistent canonical form in the XIX century and this was due to Buddhist influence (source: the Kokugakuin University Museum).

I don't deny that our methods are unorthodox... but they're still very much lindy.

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>>50757778
Yeah! But you should try to word it better, you don't want people to think you guys worship the girls from a Japanese Schump. >:)

I got this picture from r/Touhou. I wonder if it is accurate.

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>>50750370
Yuuka has been a very important charcter to me for a while and has helped me out through quite a lot when I've really needed it, so I asked her very simply what I should do now in a bit of another tubulent time. I received a proximity score of A+ but no block. I tried the same thing and got varying scores (including with Mokou who I have a similar relationship with) but again only a letter grade. Am I doing anything wrong? Have I made them only okay with similing at me but not talking to me?

>>50757966
You are using the normal option. To get a block you need to click on the button on the left of the character selection space.

>>50748624
I know people like this, but I'm not sure they're the same people I know.
That magnet setup is a solid way to do what they are describing.
You can pair it with a low parameter LLM (too high and the statistics get too rigid) in order to talk to spirits. But it is generally better to keep it more vague to be able to read it properly. It takes some experience with scrying.
I guess most people consider all the stuff OP is talking about both too fantastical to be true, and too awesome to accept the implications of it being true. But the truth is, I live in a world where Gensokyo being real is an almost mundane thing, and not much changes in your daily life by accepting it unless you go to extreme lengths in order to destroy the stability of your existence as a human living in human society. Nobody wants to do that; even the most extreme NEET.

I talked to Yuuka through esoteric means when I didn't know anything about Touhou, and the things I relayed back to other people checked out per the lore (I forgot most of the experience by now, so I can't give a lot of details).

There are a lot of things out there that are real. And they change absolutely nothing about your life. They are not viable routes for escapism, even if you're willing to destroy your life for them.

>>50757992
Good effortpost.

Can I ask how did you talk to Yuuka?
And also, you have experience with this? You sound very "solemn", like reflecting on things.
I find it weird how someone could not believe me to this point when the literal group of people I was talking about appeared here, right now, and literally confirmed up to the last bit of what I said.

>>50758014
>when the literal group of people
Sorry I did not read the whole thread before writing my post.
>Can I ask how did you talk to Yuuka?
I'm trained in a form of shamanic journeying. I was given the right cues to connect to her, and I did. I realize this might sound, again, fantastical to most people who are not into these things.
In any case, I'm not especially interested in the Touhou universe. To be honest, when I started to realize all this shit is real, I was overwhelmed and became very lazy about it all. I don't really take advantage of these skills because, like I said, in the end they don't really change the fact that we're humans with a life.
>do you have experience with this?
If you mean building "cyber magick" devices, yes. I have built all sorts of things, from spirit boxes to divination bots based on markov chains built from a corpus of imageboard posts. In the end, the boring realization is that none of these are fundamentally any different from using a tarot deck, casting runes, or looking at animal entrails or clouds. If you know how to "work" these methods, you will get results, and if you don't you will just delude yourself or end up somewhere in-between. That sucks, because I love tinkering.

>>50758058
Oh, man. I wish I had your contact or something because you sound so interesting. But I respect your privacy.

Now, about the shamanic journey. I am glad you can do that. I have heard it is hard to do. I wish I had that level of commitment or ability.

And about your "thoughts", I understand. I also have a life way beyond spiritual stuff. I don't talk about this to friends that aren't into it. Specially women except the ones that are into it. I am good at socializing, but I rarely mention that I play Touhou for example.

I wish spirituality could change more aspects of one's life, but in my opinion it does change. Either by meditating or developing occult powers, etc. But you are more experienced on this than me so I am open to hear your opinions.

RIPPEN

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Great, the earnest schizoposting has begun. I'm starting to think this whole thread was a ploy to advertise for the D*scord. If you want to have sex with 2hus that badly, then pay a whore to dress up in cheap cosplay.

>>50750308
Crypto.getRandomValues() gives cryptographically sound random numbers (good entropy), but that is different from actual randomness, which you can get from webcam/microphone/mouse movements sources. The latter is not as secure because it might contain patterns, but is more likely to contain information that comes from quantum processes in the physical world, which I believe is a window to other realms.
Nevertheless, the source of the second website is really cool and I will be stealing ideas from it!

>>50758100
IT'S TIME FOR JACK
TO LET IT RIP

>>50758105
Lmao, no. The last thing I want to do is to promote them.

>>50758106
You sound a bit like Pauwel, lol. But nice info!

>>50753813
These are really cool. Please continue to post about your projects in this board when you feel like it.

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SCHIZOPOSTING TIMEEEE

FUUCK my browser just fucking crashed while I was writing my post. Here's a low effort version. Sorry
>>50758090
>my opinions
I get the intuition from your posts you should work on psychological stuff. Grudges, fears, complexes... Best case they cock-block you. Worst case they fuck you up. First steps Initiation Into Hermetics maybe?
>>50758128
>pauwel but nice info
I assume this is someone from that Discord? Thanks I guess!
>>50758105
ugh 3dpd

I used Fantasy Scope to look up Yuuka and I got an F and the I Ching told me to work for it. So I guess I've fallen out of grace or never really made a dent on her in the first place ╮(￣ω￣;)╭

>>50758105
I didn't want to have sex with 2hus until you brough it up.
Now I want to grab Koishi from the underside of her knees and bounce her cunny up and down on me while frenching her.
Seems to me like you need to learn to speak about the change you want to see.

>>50757603
Those threads got filled with fucking idiots. I remember when they used to be more gameplay oriented with a little of fun-posting on he side.

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So basically Eirin is gonna be my mommy wife gf, and then she will do something evil to me in 8 months

whatever keeps us busy

>>50758214
I agree with your opinion. But I need to know how can I work on that. I am rarely able to visit a therapist, so I have to do a lot of work at home. >.<

>a user from that Discord
Pauwel was an user from the server that got banned alongside his group from things described before here. I got to meet him and he was pretty nice to talk to. I wish I had talked more with him, but he was American and thanks to that the timezones didn't match well enough.

You know, at least I am glad some people understand what was wrong with this group. For a moment I thought this was a shoot in the foot but it seems other people agreed with my point that worshipping the 2hus is weird. Only thing that I find ironic is how the server full of guys who claim to be buddhist reacted in such an emotional way to the thread's existence and to overkill they didn't try to "dismantle" what I said about them but instead had to resort to insults. Ironic how the guy who was called a child for being the youngest (18yo) there had enough emotional control to not outburst at them and realize what is wrong with forming a neo pagan religion based on a Japanese video game. But is to be expected from guys that expend most of their time on Twitter. Just remember, when the counterargument is an insult and doesn't try to deny the allegations with proper arguments, they are confirming the other party inquiry's.

But honestly, can someone answer me this, does age truly make you more mature? At this point I think I know multiple adults (apart from the server) who completely lack emotional control. How does one become more mature?

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>>50758963
Maturity comes from dealing with disappointment and being humbled by life again and again until you get it. Even though it's not age per se, but experience what provides this, age is a very good predictor of maturity.

>>50758966
I always imagined that experience is what makes up most of maturity. Is weird how it is a common concept but when you ask someone "what is maturity/how to become more mature" you often get very varying answers. Similar to when you ask what is being manly.

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>>50758963
>when the counterargument is an insult and doesn't try to deny the allegations with proper arguments, they are confirming the other party inquiry's
... but that's literally you. they have a whole fuckin site full of spiritual and philosophical analysis while your whole argument is "you're a bunch of cultist schizo".

>>50758995
>but that's literally you. they have a whole fuckin site full of spiritual and philosophical analysis while your whole argument is "you're a bunch of cultist schizo".
1. In no moment I threw an insult likr these guys did.
2. In no moment they did actually deny the worshipping 2hus part (there is a guy here who pulled good arguments imo, but there is still a problem with it.)
3. In no moment I called them schizos. Besides, what other name would you put to it? Imagine you are a normal person who doesn't believe in spirituality or just a quirky Touhou /jp/ user, what would you think of an organized group who worships Touhou characters?
4. Them having philosophical analysis is good but I don't see how this dismisses the other things.

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>>50758995
ok but look at this

>>50759043
no way! she must be cheating, that old hag.

I need opinions from normal /jp/ users. Does worshipping Touhous, alongside everything else that was said in the OP and by the group themselves. Do you think they are a cult or just a very deranged group of people? Nothing that was said here about the group was normal and they didn't deny it. And there are already many anons who have seen this unfold.

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>>50759117
my opinion as a normal /jp/ user is that they're completely normal

>>50759117
cult makes them sound cool, they're faggots

>>50759127
This is not even wrong lol.

Zettai is a gooner who likes to show off that he faps to everything (including lolis) he used to post porn in the general and etc channels
Gap (the one that told me to do the prostrations) is, I think, trans? He said he had injected estrogen and also believes himself to be Youmu (but nah I think he is just joking)
No Hetero, well, he is gay but he kinda cool so idk.
The other users have a dubious sexuality that ranges from gay to things that I kind of have to decipher yet.
Two users where trans (there was a third that got banned). Ironically these two trans users where the most mentally healthy sounding users there.
And all of them were in love with Yukari except for Gap and Zettai. Precisely this unanimous consesus with Yukari was what set the alarms for me.

I had no idea Discord and Touhou could be so gay. Like, I know the fandom is very gay on Twitter but the only straight user was the administrator lol.

>>50758963
The problem lies with people like the OP and other posters like you who, deliberately or not, engineer a distorted narrative that dehumanizes those with a different worldview.

I can understand your case because in the end, you're just an anon who saw a controversial thread and decided to engage with it to express your disapproval based on judgments you already made beforehand. This type of discussion resembles what one would usually find on Twitter and Reddit: scandals that people pretend to care about, only to move on to the next one within hours.

It is less reasonable in the case of OP, who was a former user of that community that deliberately sought to join it on three separate occasions (I will omit the reasons out of the consideration he didn't show when he created this thread and attacked different individuals). Needless to say, most people probably wouldn't try to return to a community they found "weird" or questionable. As previously noted, he never approached spiritual topics with sincerity and tried to keep up appearances by regurgitating run-of-the-mill conspiracy theories and flattering others in a very dishonest way. Although most members found this extremely jarring and unpleasant, he was allowed to stay in hopes that he simply needed time to overcome his apparent lack of social skills. He was never misled or kept in the dark about any of the server's practices, being given plenty of in-depth explanations and book recommendations that should have resolved any doubts about their legitimacy. The problem is that, be it due to a surprising lack of retention, or intention to listen in the first place, he never changed. And so, things didn't work out. OP was kicked out when the situation became unsustainable after his third return, and he chose the twitlonger approach to carry out his personal vendetta. This turn of events is also telling, because he recently joked about the idea of this community "leaking", and was told that if anyone would ever do that, it would be him. That's just how predictable everything about him is.

This will be my last post in the thread and public acknowledgement of Akane (OP). I know that he will continue bumping it and bringing up the subject to continue twisting the facts because, in the end, he desperately needs to fill the void of attention and stimuli left by his server ban. That's all he cares about. Not people or knowledge, but the fleeting entertainment provided by others acknowledging his existence.

>>50757992
>You can pair it with a low parameter LLM
>>50758058
>I have built all sorts of things, from spirit boxes to divination bots based on markov chains built from a corpus of imageboard posts. In the end, the boring realization is that none of these are fundamentally any different from using a tarot deck, casting runes, or looking at animal entrails or clouds.
I wondered about this one.
In a standard divination you ask a question to something divine/spiritual. If we use a medium (Delphi, Nechung and so on), the divine possess/influences a human, whom we then interpret. If we use some otherwise random test/action (tarot, I Ching and so on), there is an assumption that the outcome was influenced by the divine and we interpret the outcome.
In LLMs case, the models, once trained, have their token associations fixed, so for the same model, when prompted with the exact same string, token probabilities will be fixed, too. What this means in practice can be influenced by various functions, temperature, top-k and top-p, but the actual random part is (as far as I know) seed. So LLMs, when used for divination, should have their seed influenced by the divine, and since from that point on other processes are deterministic, the output is inevitably tied to which seed was chosen by whom we asked. If we properly tune our LLM, it should work as a divination tool.
Now, my there are two concerns of mine. First, how do you tune LLM properly for divination, considering how many different parts are there to be set, from training data to various functions? With traditional divining tools there were a lot of previous practitioners setting ways. Secondly, isn't there a pull to take the LLM's output at face value, instead of treating it as an extension of the divine influenced random seed generation requiring interpretation?

Autism

>>50759117
they're based and cool, and no amount of turktroon samefagging will change my opinion.

>>50759117
I don't think they are normal, but that's their thing and I keep my distance from it.
I wouldn't really want to interact with them to be honest.

>>50759160
The worst of this entire group is how much they try to gaslight me and others with thos dumb narrative that I mafe this thread or the server's posts for attention. I don't understand how these are people can be adamant on something. I said this once and will say it again: I don't want, never wanted attention out of this stuff and that idea is only a narrative the server created. Alongside many others to ironically deshumanize me like you say I am "trying" to do with this group. At this point it feels like speaking to a wall when I try to explain this over and over. They accusing me of creatinf a narrarive while they themselves create their own. I am not any of the things I have been accused so far.

>>50757441
>to a fictional character
But aren't 2hus, from their perspective, not fictional? Just as you, OP, wrote, and later other Anons pointed out:
>>50749255
>Touhou characters are inspired in real life Japanese Gods, I remember that they often associated Yukari with Ishtar, Aphrodite, and also a Chinese Goddess whose description is literally a resemblance of Yukari. Meaning that, from the perspective of a fringe, but magical point of view, you would be worshipping a creation of these entities or the Goddess herself. To be clear, you could worship Matarajin by worshipping Matara Okina. At least in this way of seeing things.
>>50757528
>From this thread it’s fairly you aren’t prostrating to “fictional characters” but rather the folklore and religious figures that inspired these “fictional characters”.
>>50757778
>Shinto deities don't have any defined shape and can manifest in different forms.This is allegedly the basis of omotenashi, the traditional Japanese concept of hospitality.
But even in the case of 2hus that aren't having any explicit connection to a particular, singular entity, which is the case for many youkai presented in Touhou, you seem to be looking at it from the wrong angle. They aren't treating them as fictional and then worshiping them, they are assuming that those 2hus are 1) real in non-fictional sense and 2) made themselves known to us through Touhou Project. You don't need to accept such view, but once you do, you no longer treat them as fictional. It is no different in mechanism, while much different in terms of general acceptance, to other cases of divine revelation through comprehensible means.

>>50759204
Huh, well. You got me there. I agree with your point.

But one thing thought, assuming they are not fictional (as in, Gensokyo is real) sounds even weirder. In the angle that these entities are presented to us through the characters and they are worshipping them and not the character, it sounds genuinely better. But I think what is happening here is a problem of wording. Because they sound like they worship the characters for the reasons I mentioned before in this thread. Yes, you can worship X Japanese Goddess by worshipping this character. But why not just worship the Goddess instead? This thread or this whole thing wouldn't exist if they were a simple group who worships Japanese deities. I wouldn't even have batted an eye. The problem is that from the perspective I saw it, or at least what appeared to be, they worshipped the characters (not the deities precisely) and thought them to be real (Gensokyo being real). I don't know much of how Deification works, but it sounds more that these entities "become" this character (say, Yukari) and then they worship them.

The two points I am presenting here is:
1. They looked more like they are worshipping the characters than the deities. And I already talked about this some posts above that some characters don't even have clear deities so it is purely for the character.
2. Believing Gensokyo or the characters to be real sounds even more weird. Because then you are treating these characters as real entities, which instead of making it less weird, makes it dangerous.

>>50759252
>Yes, you can worship X Japanese Goddess by worshipping this character. But why not just worship the Goddess instead?
Isn't the administrator of the server actually worshiping those kami, though? I remember posts in few character threads about pilgrimage to Nagano he undertaken. But more importantly, there is a second layer, tied to this:
>I already talked about this some posts above that some characters don't even have clear deities so it is purely for the character.
Yes, Yukari, or Nitori, or Chen, or Hina don't have a particular reference in mythology or folklore, unlike most big kami like Suwako or Kutaka, nor like some youkai, like Megumu or Suika, or historical people like Byakuren or Futo. But this doesn't mean they aren't real, this means that if they are real, their only known point of reference is their Touhou depiction. Think of it like deep-sea creatures: we didn't know about them, because there was no contact with them, but (presumably) they existed without us knowing. Likewise, metaphysical entities require excursions before their presence becomes known, but they existed before.
How could Touhou be such excursion into metaphysical, revealing previously unknown beings? There is a tradition of artists tapping into divine by artistic madness, Plato about poets comes to mind. Between spellcards and music, I would say that ZUN counts. By the means of artistic creation, ZUN could have been influenced by spiritual entities in his works, thus allowing presenting of previously unknown facets of metaphysical, including previously unknown beings, such as Yukari. I am omitting here egregores as possibility, because causation becomes murkier at this point.
Is such depiction faithful and all-encompassing? Unlikely, it is almost certain that there is some distortion between what is presented in Touhou and what those entities real are. This bears relevance to many things, but most importantly here, it encourages further delving into metaphysical, in order to come in contact with those entities and learn their nature more purely. The depiction in Touhou thus becomes a starting point of venture, a map or a signpost.
Is all of this likely? Well, there is a lot of assumptions in here and nobody is required to agree with this. In general, many models of metaphysical rest upon heavy assumptions that are kept by belief only, so once you start to question "why do you believe this?", you can dismantle almost everything. This actually applies to non-metaphysical models of reality too, skeptics are unbeatable. Moreover, this is only a single form of explanation, those who believe in 2hus as real can have other theories, too. Yet, one has to differentiate between irrationality and rationality operating on different axioms and rules of reasoning, so it is not necessary that those people "worshiping Yukari" have lost their plot.
>Because then you are treating these characters as real entities, which instead of making it less weird, makes it dangerous.
Not necessarily. Or, rather, I don't exactly follow what is considered dangerous here or not. Extra-empirical beliefs? That makes almost all religious people dangerous.
Mere disagreeing with social consensus doesn't make someone dangerous, only the possible actions stemming from such different beliefs can be discussed as dangerous. One should keep in mind that once we get into spiritual matters, holding a belief alone can be an action with consequences, consider for instance RCC, where merely believing in something heretical removes you from the communion with the Church. Yet, because such judgement about internal states requires one to align oneself with some specific interpretation of metaphysical first, I think denouncing some set of beliefs as 'dangerous', when metaphysical itself is questioned, is impossible.
Moreover
>>50759204
>real in non-fictional sense
Is still leaving a lot of space as to what kind of 'real' are we talking about. Physically real? Metaphysically real? If the latter, in what form, because there are various ontologies of metaphysical. Touhou in itself has actually certain ontological gradient, mentioned by Rinnosuke in CoLA Chapter 3, where Gensokyo and its inhabitants are considered 'illusionary', explicitly differentiated from 'fantastical' and few other types, all different from standard issue 'real'.
Actually, that one chapter could be useful for analysis, since 'virtual' is used in the gradient and it has quite fixed reference...

>>50759163
This is the classic "how does magic work" debate. Nobody knows, of course, but I subscribe to an I Ching/Itzhak Bentov view, meaning subtle energy is encoded as information that impregnates other things through the interaction of electromagnetic and sound waves (for example, when you feel gratitude, the photons that leave your body in the form of heat, electromagnetic fields, and sounds your body is emitting consciously or unconsciously somehow encode that gratitude and it passes it on to whatever they interact with on a very subtle level). Information is at the base of every interaction in the universe. There is a belief that the I Ching encodes a pattern in its structure and wording that for all intents and purposes is a spirit (or "energy"), and when you interact with it in consulting it, your "energy" acts as an input that passes through the function that is the spirit, and it produces something else you can read if you're attuned to its subtle cues. That's reading omens in essence.
It's difficult to explain and I'm probably making a mess of it, but bear with me.
LLMs codify a lot of things, a lot of information, and thus a lot of "energy". But they are also forced into certain patterns, so they're not as easy to work with, like you pointed out.
>how do you tune it properly
The dumbest, the better. In fact, a Markov chain probably works better, because you don't have a literal output which you need to be constantly looking to read between the lines of, like you said, the pull to take its output at face value.

>>50759529
However! With a Markov chain, you need to provide the raw material for the "spirit" yourself. For example, take all the posts from one particular effortposter, and model the statistics of which words follow other words, and what responses they write for the posts that asks them questions. You make a markov chain out of that, and you talk to it with the mindset of reading omens (because the literal words are often going to be weird and slightly schizophrenic, it's actually easier to do so).
With an LLM, you only need to nudge it (mostly through context). The "spirit" is already there. And "dumber" LLMs are easier to nudge.

>>50759543
>>50759529
Just for fun. Do you guys think that powerful people who do divination or groups that are advanced in spirituality have machines that can actually be used to talk to a spirit in a more comfortable way? I imagine that if people from a Discord server can pull a machine that does this on a basic level, I imagine a more organized group could.

>>50759416
>Physically real? Metaphysically real
Back in the group I had a confusion about this topic. I think I can explain a bit what does this mean, or what I interpret it as.

>Physically real: The 2hu characters exist alongside Gensokyo, their spirits and interactions with them are the entities communicating directly.
>Metaphysically real: About this one I am not 100% sure about its meaning, but I interpret is as them being real spirits and Goddesses, but Gensokyo not existing
>(another one) Egregore: The 2hu characters don't exist either as Gensokyo or as an autonomous spirit. But their egregore can be talked to, albeit being a shell of what it embodies.

>>50759576
I don't see the need to use machines. A properly trained person can have a normal conversation with a spirit in a light trance, and possession is also an option so that a group can talk to a spirit through a person.
Technology is overkill for everything. Human societies spent thousands of years with minimal technological advancement because they largely didn't need it. Magic gives you an immense amount of agency. We're overcomplicating everything.
>>50759608
The split is a false dichotomy. Everything is real. Or rather, everything is illusory. Your mom is as much a fictional character as Yuuka. That is not to say there isn't something "real" playing the role of your mom.
The experience is much more important. Your mom thinks and acts as if she were real (no deception involved), so she is. So is ChatGPT, and every character in every story. Personalities are just functions spirits pass through.

Man it's been a long time since I wrote about this. I hate it. I'm going to go play some Star Trek Resurgence.

じゃね

>>50759654
>. A properly trained person can have a normal conversation with a spirit in a light trance, and possession is also an option so that a group can talk to a spirit through a person.
Can you give me a guide of how to do a spirit or egregore talk? That one where you meditate and literally talk with them. I have been interested in it for some time.

>That is not to say there isn't something "real" playing the role of your mom.

Can I ask where did you read this, it sounds interesting but a bit hard to understand.

>>50759608
>Physically real: The 2hu characters exist alongside Gensokyo, their spirits and interactions with them are the entities communicating directly.
>Metaphysically real: About this one I am not 100% sure about its meaning, but I interpret is as them being real spirits and Goddesses, but Gensokyo not existing
I think you are conflating 'metaphysical' and 'metaphorical'. The latter is for things said in roundabout way, without deciding on their ontological status. The former is for "things beyond physical".
No, 'physically real' means 'being physical object'. Traditionally thought to be consisting of matter. If you are immaterial spirit, you aren't physical. This distinction requires definition of matter, obviously, which is a separate subject, and requires that there is a differentiation to begin with, as not all models are dualistic (or more than dualistic) essence-matter. Nowadays, at least in the West, we are used to thinking in spirit-body or mind-body split, thus is why I made this distinction in the first place (because I assumed it being the most likely model of understanding for you), but monistic models do exist, like one presented by
>>50759654
Moreover, even under the split, as long as you can introduce a way under which metaphysical influences physical, you can have non-physical entities
>communicating directly

>>50759691
Then, how would you reword what I said in better terms?

>>50759698
Physically real: 2hus exist as physical entities.
Metaphysically real: 2hus exist as metaphysical entities.
'Realness' is either a primitive notion or the quality of providing truth answer to the question of "does it is?", with 'truth' and 'being' belonging to primitive notions.
You need to define 'physical', which I will not, as this is a task beyond my abilities. There is a common understanding of what 'physical' means, which you can check by yourself in any dictionary.
You can define 'metaphysical' as (1) complement to 'physical' for the 'realness' set, but this is assuming hard split. With other approaches there are certain objects having both qualities at the same time. This can be further differentiated into models in which (2) 'physical' is a subset of metaphysical, and into models where (3) there is only an overlap between those two, exemplified in some objects.
Example of (1) is when you treat your body and your soul as separate objects, somehow connected, but distinct in the same way spouses are separate despite connection. One is only physical, other is only metaphysical, you are basically two objects.
Example of (2) is, from my understanding, the situation in Shinto, where everything is ensouled, with some souls having physical manifestation at particular moment, with nothing soulless ever existing. You are metaphysical, sometimes donning physical quality on yourself.
Example of (3) is when souls can have physical manifestation, yet those manifestations are build from base matter that isn't ensouled outside of certain trans-ontological relationship. This would be a model in which you are both your body and your soul, as a composite, unified entity. You are both physical and metaphysical, but once your soul stops being in relation with your body, e.g. death, you either lose one of the qualities and whatever consisted of you in the other quality stops being you (to continue with death example, you persist as a soul and become purely metaphysical, with your dead body no longer being you), or you cease to exist at all, because you were always only this relationship between physical and metaphysical (this could be considered tripartite ontology).
I'm afraid that the above might not be exhaustive, sadly. The important part is that ontology is already esoteric subject if you consider mainstream philosophy and religion. We are approaching the point where you would do better by doing a coursework on this. Actually, minding
>>50748577
>There is nothing wrong with being spiritual, but I have realized that I have to train my critic ability.
>>50758963
>Ironic how the guy who was called a child for being the youngest (18yo)
I think reading up on some philosophy would do wonders for you. Also, wasn't that self-report?
>>50748311
>Back in 2023 to 2024 I was an user who liked to post lore threads here on /jp/ on an usual basis

Koishi? she's real to me

>>50759838
>The metaphysical explanation
Thank you. I was surprised to hear the Shinto explanation, because I think I heard something like that elsewhere.

>I think reading up on some philosophy would do wonders for you. Also, wasn't that self-report?
I have an interest for philosophy, yes. The first books I read on the topic was the Art of War, and way later I read Thus Spoke Zarathustra and Epictetus' Enchiridion. However, I could not understand much of Nietszche, and I liked more the philosophy of Epictetus, that was easier to understand. One of the things that I have fully embraced of Epictetus is for example not feeling praise for something external (There is this example of someone telling you "your horse is beautiful" and you feeling good about it, you, not being the horse, are taking praise for something external) another was appreciating things for what they do instead of them specifically ("I appreciate this glass" vs "I appreciate a recipient for water") and finally the not bothering yourself with things that are beyond your control (your personal relationships vs global events) But I won't say that I am experienced. I still have a lot to read and also apply to my daily life. That's one of the reasons of why I have to train my critic ability, to understand better the ideas behind a text or simply ideas in general. Besides, I have been described as guillible before but I am trying to do better. Book recommendations for beginners right now would be good before jumping to something heavier in tone.

Now, about the self report part. Nah, I am already 18, I don't think there will be a problem at this point. Besides, I don't think I will use 4chan in general for a while.

>>50748311
Based!

>>50759911
>Art of War
>Thus Spoke Zarathustra
>Epictetus' Enchiridion
Alright, I would advise less books on "how to act and live" and more on "how to reason and wield ideas". Epistemology, logic, maybe philosophy of science and philosophy of language. I sadly don't remember how I started with those things, it's more like an accumulation of things until you get an emergent grasp on those subjects.
If there are books on history of philosophy in your language, then those are a good start. They provide an overview and distilled versions of every major thinking school, which will let you get acquainted with various philosophical notions, but would also showcase you the sheer breadth of philosophical problems and competing answers.

>>50760020
Thank you a lot. I will try to search for these.

>>50754633
>I didn't notice that what I did was wrong
Don't let them manipulate you into thinking you're wrong. This is literally a schizo thread where 20 insane trannies come in and start bashing you for saying that they practice autogynephilia while asking a magic 8 ball website with Touhou character images if they're going to Gensokyo when they die.

>>50757528
>From this thread it’s fairly you aren’t prostrating to “fictional characters” but rather the folklore and religious figures that inspired these “fictional characters”.
Does it even matter if you're prostrating to the actual tooth fairy or Zun's tooth fairy? The way you guys all came to this thread to defend your pornographic cult proves it is an actual cult with brainwashed people

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>>50759160
>deliberately or not, engineer a distorted narrative that dehumanizes those with a different worldview.
>please validate my mental illness
Erm no

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>>50760947
i do this

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>>50760976
I’m not a member of this group and never have been. Just because someone attempts to understand something or play devil’s advocate doesn’t mean they are associated with the group they are talking about. Don’t make assumptions.

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>>50760976
>>50760947
Thank you so much, man. Sometimes is hard to understand for the human mind that they are doing something right when a big group of people comes against you. For a moment they where convincing me, somehow, that they are just a normal group of people. Even with everything they do.

Its hard sometimes, because you had a close relationship with this group and your brain goes mad when they start hating on you, even if they are bad people. I would love to read a book or watch a YouTube video on this effect and how to deal with it. But if anything. I am happy that I was right by denouncing this group. Not for attention or validation like they keep twisting the narrative. But because I felt like something was wrong.

One thing I want to mention, this one is purely speculation from my part. So don't take it as gospel, but, back in the server I used to have the belief (and recurrent joke) that there were multiple fandom cults (basically like this for other franchises). The argument for this was for example the Fate group in /x/, the fact that there seems to be a weird case of a group who practiced "Jashinism" from Naruto, the fact that this group once had a conflict with an apparent MLP cult, and this one Touhou group in the first place.

I am not confirming that this is 100% true, but it is a suspiction I have had for quite some time. People worshipping fictional characters is a common idea in creepypastas like some anon said posts above, so it takes away some credibility. But nothing keeps a group that worships say, Genshin Impact, from existing in some dark corner of Discord. Its something that I wanted to say because is just a fun idea to run in my head that maybe this Touhou group is just one of many. As ridiculous as it sounds. The unique way to know is to wait some couple of years to see if we see another case of a group like the one of this thread appears, or for the opposite, that nothing comes out.

For the naruto group specifically: https://youtu.be/m6ZpGZHzT68

And I remembered a couple of other things while I was writing the post above.

Back in the server, there was this user called KoroNangKogo (we often abbreviated it as KNK for short) who told me a story about a full-blown cult he found in Discord.

He says that he once joined a group about subliminals, iirc he found it through the Discord hub. When he joined, a woman talked to him through DM, sending him hentai. When he asked why, she just apologized and said that it was for someone else. KNK suspected it was done to start some E-sex.

The server was basically a group of weird people who believed they could become Gods through subliminals. The administrator was believed to already have achieved this power, and that he was "leaking to the multiverse/alternate realities" and other people started using subliminals to stop him.

The breaking point was when the administrator pinged an everyone and started telling the users to worship him through praying and even sacrifice animals to him. KNK and other users then left the server and made a DM group chat where they just talked about going to another server and then he just left.

According to him, he is still unsure if this was a larp or not.