We always talk about the best, but what do you think is the worst song in Touhou? Primarily focusing on the ones by ZUN but if a song by any guest composer from the fighting games really doesn't do it for you that's allowed too.
Ariya's theme.Not that it's offensively bad, but for me personally it was a let-down for a final boss theme.
>>50875139I think the song itself is solid, but the instrumentation is very weak. It sounds far too relaxed and subdued, and I've seen people argue that because the plot of FW isn't as dire as a game like SA it doesn't need to be as intense as Okuu's theme, but I don't think it should be so mild either. The main hook sounding a bit like Lunate Elf's hook was a bit disappointing but after composing 500 songs I think that's a bit of an unfair dig.
UDoALG has multiple stinkers, it feels like an entirely different tier of music compared to any other game. The entire game has serious issues but this is a music thread so I will stay on topic. Marisa's or Hisami's theme is propably the absolute bottom of the barrel Touhou has descended to.Something that a lot of people will not agree with but I genuinely think is that 1/3 of PCB's soundtrack sucks, and Youmu's theme is just midi farts. Might be the worst one for me in early franchise, propably fighting tooth and nail for that title with PoFV Medicine's theme, I feel like it goes nowhere musically.>>50875139>>50875162The first few seconds are a setup for something very intense and give me serious chills, but then it immediately drops the ball. I do like the subdued parts of it, but it does indeed fail to be intense, that guitar just doesn't work. I wouldn't call it the worst by any stretch, not even the worst final boss theme, but it could be much better.
>>50875399I agree the boss themes in PCB are all bad. at least the stage themes are awesome though
Touhou generally has either good themes or forgettable themes, but UFO romance in the night sky might be the one theme I actively dislike. I wouldn't call it bad but it never sounded good to me and it just made playing 12's extra an overall worse experience. ZUN mentions in the comment he went for a more "pop" feel when composing it, maybe that has something to do with it.
TD Yuyuko's theme is pretty bad, I get that it was just a first stage boss theme but come on. HSiFS's whole ost was extremely forgettable in my opinion. WBaWC's ost is fine for the most part, but both mayumi and keiki's themes suck ass. And in LoLK I found doremy's theme really boring.
>>50887048Strange, I like it a lot and yet I'm definitely not into pop. It fits the stage, and goes supremely well with midboss Kogasa, and I don't mean just the spellcard sync. There's a surprising amount of people that don't like it, and I can't figure out why exactly. It's like everyone has a different reason.>>50887175Half of HSiFS doesn't even sound like ZUN's work (hint: it's mostly the instrument samples but not only that). Like a mediocre fangame. But don't shit on Hidden Star in All Seasons pl0x.
>>50875131Focusing on strictly boss themes only because stage themes are generally too liminoid or transient, so even the worst stage themes can be ignored by focusing on the game instead. However, boss themes are part-and-package with the character and are generally more iconic.- PC-98: 紅響曲 ~ Scarlet Phoneme (TH04 LLS, Kurumi's theme) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb_xPHJrHW8I couldn't even remember the name of her theme, it's just not good. Sara's theme is a close contender here. Kotohime could be here as well.- 1st Gen Windows: ティアオイエツォン(withered leaf) (TH07 PCB, Chen's theme) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nRuM0XqOM0Nearly agreed with >>50875399 on Youmu's and Medicine's theme, but this is just so much worse imo. It provides a hit of nostalgia to when I was new to the series, but beyond that her theme is too sleepy and forgettable.Youmu's theme in its PCB version is bad compared to her epic stage theme right before it, but it redeems itself somewhat when rearranged in IaMP and SWR. Medicine's theme isn't nice to listen to outside of the game, but during a PoFV run it's alright. Dishonorable mention to Yuuka's PoFV theme because it sucks compared to her other themes, even her Kioh Gyoku theme is much better, but in the end the Black Cat of Ill Omen just has a really boring theme.- 2nd Gen Windows: 亡失のエモーション (TH13.5 HM, Hata no Kokoro's theme) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R5sfVSq7pkThis was a tough choice because every character's theme in this gen is a total banger. I nearly put Kyouko's theme, but it's honestly composed much better and sounds fun. I was also thinking of Seiga's theme because it sounds so damn messy but it's passable or ignorable when in-game. Hina's theme is Kurumi-tier bad, but it somehow works out for her and isn't as annoying as it should be.Sadly, and it is probably intentional, but Kokoro's theme is too dull and uninspiring imo, and thus it's the lowest ranking out of the rest here.- 3rd Gen Windows: スモーキングドラゴン (TH18, Sannyo Komakusa's theme) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aQ0xWbOa8YThis is also a tough choice due to the number of games and ZUN's overall declining music quality in this group. I'm ignoring UDoALG's returning character themes (because they're already counted in their own gen) as well Reimu, Marisa, and Suika's themes (for being utterly awful, FWIW Reimu's is the better of the three).I had to do a mini tohosort and around halfway just resorted to using Ties because it became difficult to choose. I'd say anything from rank 47 downwards (see next post) qualifies in this spot. Sannyo's theme is here only because it's the worst in the ranking, but it's not necessarily THE worst. I heard a few seconds of its rearrange on Taboo Japan Disentanglement and it doesn't sound too bad.
>>50887413>- 3rd Gen Windows rankingBy the way, if anybody has a LOT of spare time, there's a tohosort for specifically for music ranking. Note that it takes much longer to complete compared to the character sorter due to the amount of songs.https://relick.me/song/
>>50887413>Seiga>KokoroThose are among my favorite themes. lol
>>50875131I dont think there is a bad ZUN song, i think its easier to rank them by how memorable they are. The worst ZUN songs are not bad, just very forgettable.Like Youmu's theme like the other guy mentioned. I dont think its bad, but before i looked it up i did not remember how it sounded like at all, but i still remember the stage 5 song, specially that part where Youmu appears as a midboss and the song syncs with her dialogue.
suwakos theme imo
>>50892145Fair, I don't like it either. To me it always felt like title screen rather than boss music.
>>50887413Sannyo's could be better (a criticism applicable to almost anything ZUN made in last x years), but I'd argue this is one of best of ZUN's attempts at using heavy distorted guitar sound. It doesn't get obliterated by its sample choice from the start. That alone should give it credit.>>50892152That would be a very intense title screen.
>>50893409>That would be a very intense title screen.That's the thing, I feel like Suwako's theme isn't intense at all. It's extremely light. I mean it does fit her I won't deny that, but it just feels too light for a boss battle. Actually there was a touhou fan game (I don't remember the name) I played a while ago that used it for as a title screen music and I though it fit perfectly.
>>508895352nd Gen Windows in my opinion has absolutely excellent music across the board, so trying to find the weakest performing boss theme was really tough and I could only think of those. Just curious but what do you like about them? I don't mean to shit on your or anybody's tastes but hearing some opinions I might realize I'm too harsh on them.Other contenders for weak songs would be Kyouko (not really memorable outside of the game), Hina (short and repetitive), Minoriko (even shorter and more repetitive, though I actually like it because it's catchy), or even Futo and Miko (it's something I've read about their themes often but I disagree, they're both great).
>>50893455It's energetic is all I'm trying to say. Benevolent and playful, but kicks in really hard. If a fangame actually did this and made it the title theme, then I'd need some context behind what kind of a game was it, because it does sound misplaced tbdesu.>>50894881Miko's theme is good, but it can leave bad aftertaste because there's one part that isn't. It goes strong and builds up into a massive climax, but there's no climax. You get one note and the background instruments do an extra repeat or two and you're back at the start. It's jarring.
>>50893455suwakos theme is probably the most intense for me. i mean listening to it perhaps you're right, but it just goes so hard i cant help myself. this has got to be bait
>>50875131so what im reading in this thread is...>1/3 of PCB's soundtrack sucks>PoFV Medicine's theme sucks>UFO romance sucks>kurumi's theme sucks>chen's theme sucks>suwako's theme suckswhat the fuck, jaypee?
>>50897532People have differing opinions on things.
>>50897829no way...
>>50897532don't forget that someone also mentioned that Yuuka's PoFV theme sucked too i personally think its just okay
>>50898278i missed it, but seriously...? her theme is great and is one of my top favorites. i would expect the ZUNpets to change anyone's opinion on the song, they're the best part
>>50897532>1/3 of PCB's soundtrack sucks>PoFV Medicine's theme sucksI stand by my word btw. These suck. And to make it clear, I don't dislike PCB in general, and Medicine is cool, she just doesn't have a good theme. It's boring, simply put. If you want another le hot take, Remilia's theme is my least favorite final boss theme. To it's credit it's because final boss themes are rarely anything but great, and she happens to have a just okay one.Not sure what has you so shocked in this thread. It's mild reactions and opinions, there isn't really any tryhard contrarian hostile take so far.
>>50898312>Remilia's theme is my least favorite final boss themegah! anon, you're killing me!>Not sure what has you so shocked in this thread.as OP said, we always talk about the best tracks, so reading through a rare thread where we talk about the worst/least favorite tracks has just made me surprised by the fact that there are anons that dislike my favorite tracks. nothing serious
Didn't expect to see so much PCB today, though my pick for the worst is from there too; the Prismriver sisters' theme is definitely one of my least liked themes (despite me whistling it from time to time, out of annoyance I guess).I always hated the ZUNpets there. They sound really "unflattering" there, like wet farts or the sound that blowing through a wet tissue through somebody's armpits makes.
>>50898353I think the Prismriver theme gets some bonus points for syncing up with the first spellcard they have, with all the instruments kicking in when they play together. but outside of that I totally agree and will even go so far as to say that it's kind of a boring theme
>>50898354>with all the instruments kicking in when they play togetherYeah, I started to dislike the theme during that part. It just sounded really grating to me. Doesn't help that ZUN doubles down and repeats the same part but on a higher...octave? Scale? Pitch? Probably doesn't help that my mood plummeted right from the get-go because I dislike that stage. I have to admit though that syncing up the spell card and the song was a nice touch.Thinking about it now, it got a better fate than some themes from PCB at least. I have not even an iota of an idea what Letty's theme is. Youmu's too, like some of the anons in this thread. Necrofantasia makes up for it at least.
>>50898353I enjoy Prismrivers' theme a lot, but I do get your complaint, because the moment zunpets kick in is pretty bad. I'm not a music theory person but those particular zunpets, for the first few notes, sound off key. Or maybe it's not that they really are off key, but they don't flow with the part before they join in. Lyrica and Lunasa are having a great time and suddenly get assaulted by Merlin's doot doot mr skeltal attack.And as for >>50898373>I have not even an iota of an idea what Letty's theme isEoSD's soundtrack was originally composed for a different soundfont, and Letty's theme sounds like it suffered the same fate. You can clearly feel the melody once it rolls in, it's undeniably there. But goodness gracious, what the fuck is that intro. And what instrument or sample is that weird clippy cybernetic background sound? ZUN has never used it before or after. Should I attribute it to some deep Letty lore or did ZUN just switch the soundfont and said fuck it I'm too drunk for this shit.
>>50898446I gave the entirety of PCB another listening to and I feel like my annoyance for the Prismrivers was unjustified. Aside from the ZUNpets and the melody which still didn't click for me, the theme sounded harmonious and harmless enough.Guess I'll just echo >>50891809 anon here and say that the "worst" song is one that I probably forgot. Sagume's and Seija's are a good example (for me) because for some reason, I thought that Sagume's theme was Seija's while lurking this post.>EoSD's soundtrack was originally composed for a different soundfont, and Letty's theme sounds like it suffered the same fateOh yeah, I vaguely remember this. He primarily composed EoSD with the SC-88 in mind, while PCB and IN were just done for fun?
>>50901017Fun fact. Completely randomly, a youtube video confirmed for me that ZUN did, in fact, switch soundfounts during making of PCB. Lmao.
>>50875399>MarisaI mean why does she even need another theme when she's already got multiple? Should had just been a remix of her GFW one.
>>50898353I think you and I might be the only people on the planet who dislike ZUNpets.
>>50898312I see your "Medicine's theme sucks", anon, and while I don't agree I can understand. And from the same game of origin, I raise you... this.Oriental Dark Flight.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG3HiNCzwgMWhat is *this*?What *is* this?How is this a Marisa theme?Why doesn't it really go anywhere? Where's the energy? Where is it, even in comparison to the rest of PoFV's relatively laid-back soundtrack? There's repeated phrases, some funky piano and percussion, but then, not much else. There are other tracks that I dislike for being a bit boring that I'm liable to just forget about most of the time like withered leaf (which was already mentioned in this thread), but whenever I start thinking about my least favourite ZUN tracks, "Oriental Dark Flight" is one of those that IMMEDIATELY pops to mind, because its existence and nature irritate me. I don't understand this track, at all!
>>50916232It represents Marisa's depression when she realized that despite all her hard work some people will just be naturally better than her.
>>50898278>>50898286I said dislike Yuuka's PoFV theme because it falters compared to any of her other themes. Her Kioh Gyoku theme outclasses it, and Sleeping Terror is better than it imo despite being a shorter repetitive loop.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NUT7GI-yqY>>50898446For a brief period long ago I had similar dislike for Prismrivers theme partly due to PTSD from their PCB boss fight, and also the 1st Gen ZUNpets were at their most egregious here.ZUN really went all out on blasting them in PCB. Ran and Yukari's theme are both difficult to listen to because of it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=makVmHjbrFM&t=189s>but those particular zunpets, for the first few notes, sound off keyThere's a gap where the instruments end and the ZUNpet kicks in to start the solo. It's not off-key per se, but you might be thinking of PoFV where they are much muted and sound kind of "off"- PCB: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xpPYfLJfOk&t=50s- PoFV: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJ1Tcz8debA&t=50s>Lyrica and Lunasa are having a great time and suddenly get assaulted by Merlin's doot doot mr skeltal attack.Funny you put it that way because that's exactly how I see it and is probably intentional.>>50909368FW was interesting due to the lack of ZUNpets and was refreshing for a change. However I wish ZUN fixes the issues with the soundfont not working because it would be depressing if Touhou 21 didn't have them at all.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnBtnPhrJMU
There's no point in early windows where things are suffering a "fate" because of the transition off the SC-88Pro, the wav versions are made with an insane level of intent. The reason he redid all of EoSD in WAV has to be because he was extremely inspired by the sounds he now had access to. His inspiration was pretty unlimited. All of hourai ningyo is WAV too, which is another signal of intent.>>50887413Diao ye zong is a chef's kiss culmination of the thematic development of the first three stages. Compare the opening of Deep Mountain and the opening Diao ye zong and it's an antecedent. The rest of the theme is beautifully austere but still full of longing. It introduces the aesthetic world of Stage 5 as well. Hiroari shoots a strange bird is also austere, but in a way that evokes a kind of folk eastern wisdom. It's using a more textual register, like a Tang poem is being recited. I struggled with the song for years but you really can just trust ZUN and he will take you anywhere.
>>50920158>Diao ye zong is a chef's kiss culmination of the thematic development of the first three stages.You know, I absolutely agree with this. I just don't think it is nearly as interesting as a single, standalone theme the way most of ZUN's other works are. I don't care to listen to it on its own. Even a lot of fan arranges & remixes just mix Tales of Tohno and withered leaf together, because that's what actually works.
>>50916232Funnily enough I would say, this is the second worst for me in that game. Medicine's worse but merely by a margin. Marisa might be the most shortsticked character in the entire franchise in terms of both her effort being undermined and the music she gets. Honestly there's a metaphor in here somewhere. She's got a super memorable trademark attack in the form of Master Spark, but everything else she does is overshined and underappreciated, and musically speaking, Love Coloured Master Spark is one hell of a legendary composition but every single other theme tied to her is between mediocre and arguably the worst in all of Touhou. And to think that Master Spark is not even really her attack, man. What is it with japanese media and shitting on characters that train hard instead of getting their power from muh destiny family divinity friendship or something.>>50919924Since Yukari got mentioned now I have to say Necrofantasia's opening sucks too. Sure I love the rest, but ZUN's just... You can't tell me man's got no ears, but it begs the question, does he not have ears? The instruments together for the first few seconds sound really bad. How can he create soundtracks that people, including me, glaze for over two decades but seemingly have blind spots where he just doesn't hear his own music? This is also apparent with drum samples in 16 to 19.
>>50897532>1/3 of PCB sucks assstages 1-4, yes>>50898278Yuuka's theme is grating and needlessly repeats so much
>>50875399>UDoALG has multiple stinkers, it feels like an entirely different tier of music compared to any other gamethis but from UM onward, every track sounds like it was midislapped together (and drenched in reverb) in maybe 3 days maxZUN should go back to his old cubase installation and the sd-90
>>50923673>Marisa might be the most shortsticked character in the entire franchise in terms of both her effort being undermined and the music she gets. Honestly there's a metaphor in here somewhere.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WUuRJ6csJw>>50924676>every track sounds like it was midislapped together (and drenched in reverb) in maybe 3 days maxHe's gotten lazy and admittedly he's probably not as interested in putting as much effort as he used to. What is interesting is that he's experimenting a lot, like the instrumentation of Son Biten's and Zanmu's themes, and FW's music post-ZUNpet software loss.
>>50886223https://youtu.be/ilWjpT0JPIk?si=9h2Fsa_COKhIHPQw The zunpets kicking in when some bullshit starts happening is pure kino
>>50926948that's what im saying. fuck this thread
>>50924676>this but from UM onwardHow can you say that when stage 4/5/Tenkyuu/extra stage exists?The Long Awaited Omagatoki is one of the best touhou tracks ever, there I said it.
>>50926167>post-ZUNpet software loss.zunpets aren't software though (but you CAN get them in software and they work fine)
>>50926167>he's probably not as interested in putting as much effort as he used to. What is interesting is that he's experimenting a lotThose two are related, he doesn't care anymore so he just does whatever, even if it doesn't really work.
>>50927033>The Long Awaited Omagatoki is one of the best touhou tracks ever, there I said it.My brother, I thought I was alone in thinking this. It's easily the best track in the game too, if not one of the top 3.Also the background is one of my favourites. It's a slanted texture with bump map to represent "climbing up Youkai Mountain for the +4th time", but the simplicity of it, the sudden transition to night with glowing rocks (not Dragon Gems!), and the enemy patterns and difficulty being very reminiscent of LoLK, all come together to give a beautiful experience.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZjqkXzGWr4
>>50928989I completely agree, I also love the stage, though the enemies really complete it.I also felt what ZUN wanted to the song to be without reading the comment first, specifically the "heart becomes lighter" part. The song starts somber and heavy but it gradually gets happier and happier before exploding in joy in the final chorus which is just the best. I love everything about UM stage 5.
>>50875131shou's theme was just meh https://youtu.be/XDNsk2UXYE4?si=0E1pndp1GXShcYvwunrelated, but what am i in for with TD's music? i'm about to get to playing it. GFW's music was absolutely amazing, especially the extra stage and boss theme
>>50927797>but you CAN get them in software and they work fineI doubt ZUN would be willing to shell out for a Roland Cloud subscription (or pirate) just for them
>>50933914Out of all the posts ITT this is the only one that has made me mad
>>50934272is it because i'm not a fan of shou's theme or because i love GFW's music?
>>50934215>I doubt ZUN would be willing to shell out for a Roland Cloud subscription (or pirate) just for themofc notthough nowadays you can just use virtualjv, the zunpets are much older than you think if you're extremely autistic you can even try to extract them from the s700 cds, they're probably in there somewhere but i can't be bothered to do that yet
>>50887413I love Smoking Dragon because of how aggressive and dangerous it sounds, it sounds so violent while most of ZUN's songs have something playful to them. It's the same story with The Stone Baby and The Submerged Bovine, I have seen lots of people say they dislike it but I think it does such an excellent job of showing character. The synth sounding like mooing, the sheer ominiousness of the melody that quickly gives way into something that sounds a lot more gentle and kind, the overall heaviness of the bass... I can acknowledge that many of the newer songs aren't as great but I think despite ZUN's downwards turn the songs still do a good job of showing you who the characters are.
>>50933914I'm surprised it took this long for somebody to mention Shou's theme lol. Back in the day it used to get made fun of, but maybe these days there are much worse songs.>>50936185(Same applies to >>50893409)I have to agree with both your points about "aggressive-sounding" due to the distorted guitar sound. Her nonspell and spellcard patterns resembling wild sharp flowers do reinforce this effect. However the distortion is a too harsh and sounds more like a noise sample rather than an instrument, similar to the "BZZ"-ing instrument used in PCB Youmu's theme.Another reason (I just remembered) why I don't quite like it is because it's once again "Theme of Eastern Story" covering the main melody of the theme. For the last few games especially from DDC onwards, ZUN was lazily inserting the motif wholesale into themes. It was cool the first few times he did it, but by UM it has become quite irritating and devalues its impact. Also in this case the motif was usually reserved for Stage 4 or Stage 4 bosses onwards due to its significance, however Sannyo is treated as such a non-character (even ZUN emphasizes this in the music notes) it really depreciates the value of the motif with her theme being almost 50% of it.https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Theme_of_Eastern_Storyhttps://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Unconnected_Marketeers/Music#Stage_3_Boss_-_Sannyo_Komakusa.27s_Theme>It's the same story with The Stone Baby and The Submerged Bovine>The synth sounding like mooing, the sheer ominiousness of the melody that quickly gives way into something that sounds a lot more gentle and kind, the overall heaviness of the bassVery interesting points! Almost all themes in WBaWC (barring Kutaka's theme) sound gloomy and edgy which is fun. It's part of the logic where ZUN is experimenting new styles and instrumentation.
>>50936312I wonder how much ZUN's usage of ToES recently is due to a simple lack of ideas. There is absolutely no reason for it to be in Sannyo's theme as you said. I have also noticed a lot of recent melodies bearing resemblance to older ones, especially in UDoALG where I found that every new character’s theme had at least one motif from an older one that was hard to unhear. Anyway going to write up some posts on this tomorrow because I have been thinking about this a lot in general.
>>50936312Shou's theme is another where it fits her character well but as a piece it's boring. It doesn't feel like it goes anywhere, like there's a lot of buildup when the trumpets start to rise but then it's just a reprise of the main melody which is pretty flat.
>>50936478>Anyway going to write up some posts on this tomorrow because I have been thinking about this a lot in general.Hope you didn't forget about this lolReally interesting thread, shame about the autosage
>>50942136Remembered just in time lol. I generally like most of ZUN's discography but I can acknowledge that some songs are much stronger than others. As such even though these are the 'worst' a lot are just the worst of a fantastic bunch and I generally still consider them better than a lot of OSTs but my music knowledge is lacking in general so what I consider 'good'/'bad' isn't based on technical knowledge as it is how much of an earworm it is to me, so my evaluations may be lacking.>Hiroari Shoots a Strange Bird ~ Till When?This has already been mentioned but I do agree a lot of it is just nonsense. The arp just goes on and on, and it's not even more melodic like Doll Judgement's main arp for example, it's just like the notes are spinning. The main melody is okay, but weaker than the rest of PCB's OST. I do like the SWR arrange though, I am biased towards the accordion but I love the classy vibe. >Oriental Dark FlightAlready mentioned again but it's just a very boring piece, surprisingly lacking in energy for Marisa. I do like the foreboding fitting of a magician but it's a lot of slow buildup for a main melody that sounds like budget Casket of Star and ultimately goes nowhere. It's nothing new nor does it add anything to her character. >Poison Body ~ Forsaken DollOthers have covered this one too so I'll keep it short but while it's a good job of showcasing Medicine's character, again most of the song is buildup through a less inspired piano riff and like ODF it doesn't go anywhere. I guess Medicine being a bit of a non-character didn't leave ZUN much to work with.>The Traditional Old Man and the Stylish GirlThis stands out as one of the most cheerful songs but I feel it lacks anything remarakable outside of that. I feel the melody is a little aimless and duller than others in UFO. It does a good job of being energetic, upbeat and pumping you up to fight Ichirin and Unzan, but I find little reason to listen outside of the game. >The Tiger Patterned Bishamonten Already mentioned by others with my thoughts here >>50937344.>Youkai Girl at the GateIt doesn't really stand out to me much melodically but in the context of Kyouko's character and fitting the stage its in, I think it's actually quite decent, just not really my cup of tea. >Old YuanxianAs another anon mentioned, it is quite messy and a lot of it sounds like Youmu's theme where it feels like the song is just manic notes for the sake of having something there. It's very in-your-face and for a manipulator like Seiga I think something more subtle, refined and melodic would've worked better. >Mermaid from Uncharted LandI love the melody here but the guitars ZUN uses are awful, it's a really muddy sound that grates on the ears.Running out of space, so I'll be back later to finish this off.
