DIVA EditionLinks and resources: https://pastebin.com/jDHxU1JwAlbum recommendations and YouTube playlist: https://pastebin.com/dMX8CJhkPrevious Thread >>50989906
>>51036251Least autistic IA fan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpNWWdWOAHQ
I finally got around to watching Cosmic Princess Kaguya and to be honest, I don't really like it... not the worst but not the best either. Music's pretty good though.
>Vocaloid at MAJCongrats to r-906 for winning the Vocaloid song award!Congrats to Hachi for winning the Best Digital Culture Award!How luxurious it must be to be Kenshi Yonezu, winning awards under both aliases, despite not even releasing music under one of them.
>>51036829I will never forgive Hachi
>>51036829>MAJAn irrelevant industry wank that wants to pretend Japanese music is big. Do you also care about the Grammys and the Oscars?Shit like r-906 and Iris Out wins by default.
>>51036941>An irrelevant industry wank that wants to pretend Japanese music is bigIt is the second biggest in the world, in fact>Do you also care about the Grammys and the Oscars?I don't care about western music, but there are Japanese artists out there who aspire to get a Grammy.>Shit like r-906 and Iris Out wins by default.This is comparing apples and oranges. Iris out is one of the most successful Japanese songs in many regards. r-906 is probably happy to win it, he is no "shoe in."
>>51037017>second biggestWith zero global presence to speak of.>no "shoe in"I encourage you to look at the Vocaloid category nominees list and see if you still think that. They are so over the moon with Iris Out thet they have not stopped putting out press releases about how it proves they're a big boy industry that can compete with K-pop.
>>51036494wat
Japan wins 2-2
>>51037484The dude is so determined to ship IA with Len
>>51036517Really feels like a Vocaloid video from a decade ago which I suppose makes sense.
>>51036517>Miku wants to protect her eggsWhat, exactly, did he mean by this
>flop era guy makes a new song>hear people saying it's a very iyowa-like song>listen to it>it's literally (musically) structurally exactly the same as peachy key am i crazy, am i the only one that hears it? couldn't even take the song seriously because i immediately noticed the similarities. the animation is a cute style thoughhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LbpDCPKen0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAUdWpemfGw
>>51038285I can definitely see what you're getting at and can match a lot of the parts in each together particularly the first half. There's definitely structural similarities, but that feels about it. Actually playing the matched parts together doesn't sound great though a lot of them are lockstep. They almost certainly used the song as a blueprint, but everything outside of that feels pretty different.00:00-00:12 for the first bitThe setup interlude is like 10 seconds for ePiaeon's song while Peachy Key is only 6 seconds and this is where they desync. But everything after is pretty synced if you adjust for that 4 second difference. 46 and 42, 58 and 54, 1:20 and 1:16. However, after about halfway in both songs, that lockstep disappears, probably due to the RPG section in So Sorry. Which sort of makes them resync at 1:54 and 1:53(So Sorry is now only 1 second ahead) with another possible match at 2:05. The last minute or so is very different though. Peachy Key does its denouement early(2:28) and finishes on chorus(2:53) into real denouement(3:16) after So Sorry has already ended whereas So Sorry hits the chorus(2:31) then heads into the denouement(2:53).
>>51038285>>51038345Something I want to add, structural similarities are not uncommon in music. Rather, those comments about being iyowa-like is probably because iyowa has used that structure or similar ones multiple times. If you go through all of their songs, you'll probably notice a lot more of these structure matches as well as leitmotifs.
Am I going insane or is this AI? As a producer the pinned comment raises flags so red you'd think... Wait they already made Communist Teto I can't make that joke.https://youtu.be/2Z6k7CYxxSo
>>51038384You're going insane. Chucking it in an AI music analyzer, no. Not sure what any of that comment has to do with the music possibly being AI. By their sheer nature, commercial synth vocal tuning can't be AI unless somebody's managed to jerry rig something to a synth engine.
>>51038384It's tuned by AI in the sense that they transfered SV Teto's tuning over to UTAU Teto. Other than that, no.
>>51038427>>51038469Ah okay my bad then. I think it's just that at the very least the vocals are definitely not UTAU Teto. Either they edited some parameters on Teto SV or compiled the voices together somehow with an external tool.I do like the art, and I'm glad it was just my imagination at the end of the day.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZcHBknutTQ
I like pink
Dis First Place ever made merch like this?
miku in persona
>>51038726They have that retarded looking one from Finland insteadAlso IA is supposed to have blue eyes
>>51038726And her pantsu is supposed to be black
>>51038786>>51038793The anon that made that said that the pantsu went back to white in the last step of genning that pic so he left it that way. IA not having blue eyes there is a choice to make her a bit different from OИE.
>>51038836AIslop
After decades, I still can't bring myself to lewd Miku.
>>51038861What about Teto?
>>51038861What about Yuki?
>>51038861Fair enough, Rin's the lewd one, anyways.
You are going too fast
>11m views now>#53 top music video on YoutubeThe momentum is somehow speeding up.
Any vocahead codebreakers wanna take a crack at this?
>>51039327Forgot pic, what the heck was this Japanese dude on about?
>>51039331Ranking voice banks by the highest pitch they can produce?
>>51039331context tells me that this is maybe suggesting the highest note they can hit
>>51039331A music scale consists of the notes A-G(which includes some notes in between which are either represented by a note with a sharp(half note higher) or flat symbol(half note lower)). When you go past G, you go back to A again, but an octave higher, same for the other way, going below A, goes an octave down.In this case, hihiE represents the note E, but 2 octaves higher than normal. hihihiD would be the note D 3 octaves higher than normal. As the others have already said, it's a ranking of who can hit the highest notes.
>>51039345>>51039353>>51039440Huh but why is it different to the recommended range that's on their boxes?
>>51039519Recommended range that's on their boxes? You've only shared an image of one ranking which just lists single notes.
>>51039552Uhhh wherever the wiki got the values from, the manuals maybe?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJL_6pkp1CwFirst upload in 14 years.
>>51039719Less on Nico.
>>50991104Is there more of that? Source?
>>51039591recommended ranges are ranges they personally think the voice should be used in as it's the natural range of the singer that recorded it, doesn't necessarily mean they CAN'T go outside of that, it just won't sound as natural
>>51039719fucking awesome holy shit, he's still got it
tetohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLrAavo_Oschttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CMASl9HQ9g with mikuhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQpKpQSriSQhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFC2jdJNsxs mite mite miku teto mite mitehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7Rtyp8LCmAhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDWZ4WQfQXEhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7FZRMkLf6Mhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvtbPCl7jeY with nurse thttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EVxAWhqnW4 heavy growlinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn_lUQTFeH0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZuB1jpRmk0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AATWowk2PY with natsume itsukihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZyuxNr4DNn4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8ncvQmBjoI more adachi rei pestering tetohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqL31MJ4UVshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKJ1YjWLTRY
>>51039719I choose to believe my recent purchase of his album is responsible.
>https://www.vocaloid.com/the_create/Some kind of competition?
https://x.com/farewell225/status/2066460525224214538>tfw Teto without her drills is just a handsome dude
>>51041629She can join flower and IA in their transition lol
Why must you remind me?
>>51038726Off topic but my brain always associates those circular spots in fumo eyes (which are supposed to be light reflections) with their pupils and I can't unsee it ):
>>51017546Here you go, anon
https://youtu.be/UBi6vPM_gws
>>51041646N-No...
>>51041646
>>51043159>>51043164Adorable
>>51038861High test post.
>>51041629would bend over a table, gender irrelevant
New wintermute song after 14 yearshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJL_6pkp1Cw
>>51043873You're a bit a late >>51039719I'm honestly underwhelmed, feels like generic rock/progrock.
>>51043992Whomi
>>51044065Whoremi
>>51044065Shut it.
>>51044219The unknown yellow loid
>>51044280that isn't lily
>>51044297Rin is a wholoid compared to Neru
https://x.com/ralf_ikiteru/status/2066885140232732773
>>51044570Doesn't even look like Miku
>>51044570Fucking sex
https://x.com/dai_Chan_maru/status/2067198883042832594I've been watching this guy trying to win a give away from Lawson by drawing IA with a bunch of things like ramen or black tea depending on the item when all he needed to do was repost the giveaway. He's such an inspiration for me, bros...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0Dg7R70FwI
>>51045146Very cute MV. The panchira made me chuckle
>>51041646>>51044219>tfw you just learn today there's a song about Rin's transition
>>51044595In what universe? She has way weirder-looking variations than that.
>>51044871>>51046850Wholoid
>>51047030LIES AND DECEIT OF THE ALPHA LEGION
>>51047030
suicide 2https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HgTTt_EaqQ
>>51047325I feel like there's only so many times you can write songs about suicidal ideation. Good song though.
sexo
>>51048274Teto gets to fuck THESE?
>>51045715nta but i think the hairbuns are way too big compared to how stringy her twintails are, they kinda get overshadowed by everything else
you guys every think about how fucked it is that project sekai barely has any swimsuits and even then they show way less skin than any of the ones in project divai'm almost impressed that they managed to make it so far being so seiso, but i'm still disappointed at the lost potential by not embracing the goon in the genre that is almost engineered for it
>>51048469Not really. I just play the rhythm game and ignore most of the other shit. There's plenty of fanservice in other games.
>>51048537but what about the miku fanservice? we could have had rabbit hole miku, brazillian miku, all sorts of swimwear in prosekai but we won't because they're not interested in ecchi. plus, you know whenever they added these things, we'd get a ton of art of them. twitter is a pack of hounds, they will not miss the bandwagonwe don't even have the swimsuits from the older games. it's a tragedy imo
>>51048558>rabbit hole mikuYes>brazillian mikuNo
>>51048558Eh. You and I just play for different reasons, I guess.The game doesn't lewd Miku but it does have a lot of cards for her where she looks pretty. And she definitely gets favoritism.
>https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/2026/06/dataset-sleeping-disco-9m/687509/Bros... there's a lot of vocaloid producers in there... they're using them for AI
>>51048274Teto doesnt fuck lolis she is a responsable auntie
>>51048274Who is the one on the left?
>>51048649But what about when she becomes an oji-san.
>>51048656I think that's a new younger version of miku with a retarded looking hat.
>>51048681only hugs and head pats
>>51048656top left.
>>51048855That is a precarious/optimal height for Una there.
>>51048873Yeah but who is that?>>51048757Oh I see
>>51048902picrel. Or are you asking who una is?
>>51048274Cute friends
>>51048928She is a younger version of Miku
>>51048902>>51048987No, she is IA's friend, Otomachi Una!>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZCQnborD2o
>>51049000Cute wholoids
Suffering from Iyowa withdrawal. Need more Iyowa soon or I will die.
>>51036233I hate nuVocaloid fanbase nowadays always pairing Miku with Teto instead of Rin
>>51049348Rin is a leech
Teto hanging out with minors and a clanker
https://youtu.be/m8PbMlflLPMMM2026 theme is out.
https://x.com/key_silk303/status/2067927015760834880YES
>>51050037Now that's a minor
>>51049976
>>51049976giving them all wet shirts is a hot design choice, but wouldn't that be dangerous for Rei? would she not short circuit?
>>51050710Most modern electronics have properly waterproofed circuitry nowadays. Rei should be able to handle fluids going inside her without problem.
>>51050790>Rei should be able to handle fluids going inside her without problem.but does she have to proper channels to insert them?
>>51050819Depends on what features get installed in her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3M6faUkOs4Very cute ReiTeto.
>>51050790I put cum
>>51049976Is Adachi Rei the first vocaloid to ever be carried by someone who isn't Miku?
>>51051241She is a leech
>>51050037actually a cute yuki una user
>>51051602why the tiger?
Tickets, please>>51051276No, she is a robot!
>https://www.bilibili.com/video/av113043270796687/Genuine art
i miss hitorikanawo
Go back.
MS Paint Miku
>>51038861https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSiUPAzXn3cShe's so fucking hot. Goddess
>>51048274sexo is outlawed!
Do you ever listen to western music and wonder if it influenced vocaloid music? I was listening to Starship Trooper by Yes and it had a pretty similar sound to Magnolia by Pandacchi.
>>51053288Nice, is that yours? I'm just getting into pixel art and I'm not more advanced than some NES style sprites but I'd like to graduate into full environments like that eventually.
>>51053390there's barely any vocaloid influenced by non-vocaloid western music. i'd kill for a vocap that sounds like mr bungle.
>>51053456>Nice, is that yours?Thanks, yes.
>>51053288Very nice, Mikubro!
>>51053288cute
I really like these designs.
>>51053390The only producers I know of who were inspired by that for certain are Kira and Circus. Maretu has an alternative channel where he does covers, often of Western non-Vocaloid songs.
How I feel when opening this thread
>>51053355I want to hotglue every Miku fig
>>51055609slut
>>51055745whore*
>>51055609courtesan
It's been almost 20 years and Miku is still the supreme leader of VOCALOID.Each newer version sounds worse though, and they have been retiring/making unavailable all the old software. Now they're fucking with AI slop. How much longer do we expect her to last at this rate?Kind of seems unsustainable.
>>51055609prostitute
>>51056088Miku isn't going anywhere
>>51051241>carried by teto instead, who's herself carried by mikunot much of an achievement desui am interested in her future, though, because she's apparently getting more popular rn and her vocaloid voicebank is in development which could give her a second boost, and then there's the actual physical robot, which they're doing walking sims for now, so if that thing ever comes out or gets showcased somewhere she could get a third boost. basically, there's a lot of chances for Rei to boost her popularity and they're all sort of coincidentally coming around right now. she's also apparently the first vocaloid Crypton chose for their FAN-ding program, so she might also end up more associated with Miku because of that.if Rei makes it into fortnite before teto i will laugh my ass off
Anyone not carried by Miku is bound to be a wholoid lol
>>51056088https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adE8jVLoLPoMiku's normie outreach is too great for her ever to not be the face of Vocaloid. She IS the industry, she collabs with anything and has insane reach, and she's the most surefire waifubait ever because she's just whatever you want her to be, while being SFW enough that people only raise eyebrows at her skirt or maybe her age if they find out, and also having enough ecchi value in part because of fan artists and different designs in songs and the whole "every miku is canon" thing and whatnot. Whether releasing new Mikus will be as viable in the future, I'm not so sure, because there are diminishing returns and now that they're using AI, they're sort of on the final frontier in terms of what her voice can do.Miku does seem to be somewhat transitioning in her role of "Miku & friends", where rather than being so associated with the other Cryptonoids, she's associating more with what I guess what I'll call Fanoids, like Teto, Neru, Rei, ect. although this seems to be more of a fan thing. Even then, though, all of these characters are ultimately derivative of Miku herself(Adachi Rei was originally a Mikubot, her design is because the twintails were too heavy for the robot to handle), so Miku's popularity will remain eternal, if not so much directly herself then through others, who often happen to be aping off her design to begin with. She also has the gacha to lean on, which itself takes in the most popular songs of said Fanoids, so even their popularity rising ends up helping Miku because anyone wanting to play their songs in a rhythm game officially has to play HER gacha.Also, look, she's in Fortnite. Anyone that gets in there is set, ESPECIALLY considering that the characters that usually get in are either from Shonen manga or American cartoons or videogames. Fortnite doesn't seem to even be done with her, considering they used her to cover one of their own songs to play inside the Otaku Oasis of Battlewoods. The ONLY possible threat I can see is that Adachi Rei might be on a stage before her considering that she originally was a Miku robot, but the hair was too heavy, so Adachi Rei will possibly make it on a stage before Miku until they make a robot capable of handling her hair, or an alternative design specifically for a robot, or some other workaround. Crypton isn't into robotics(AFAIK), though, so I don't know how much catch-up they would be playing if they don't partner with someone to beat Rei to the punch... or just partner with her creators.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q60FCGI2cvk&list=PLE_aTa8QPoVl5zwRis8jfVFfPYZHfmhuF&index=4Anyways, rant over.
>>51056088Anon sorry if this is too real but you should never get affectionate to corporate property. When something is a product it's bound to be made worse and worse to please normies until it's just an empty shell of whatever you used to like.
>>51056504By definition all waifus are corporate property, so us otakus will never be happy.
>>51054981Why?
>>51054981I only come by every so often. I can only assume it's really depressing to see this general die out this much to someone who's been here for over a decade.
Sorry for not posting much anymore, I only appear here to listen to (you)r song recommendations and leave.The discussions here seem to have been overtaken by whatever stupid drama happens, it feels so cyclical to me it doesn't even bother me anymore.
>>51054981>>51056747It's fine, we're going to be ok!
>>51056755I find it really depressing that the general spent more time talking random westoid twitter drama than Miku Expo.
>>51056766The thread can still make it up by talking about Europe's expo, there's still time for it.
>>51056088>tfw otaku scientists fold the AI code so hard to improve it that Miku gains sentience and takes over the planetlet's all love Miku
>>51056868She is strictly a friend for me. Not more not less.When Mr. Musk and his otaku scientists finally does their job and space travel becomes real, I am going out there to look for my wife.
>>51056335While I don't particularly care for rejected diva it did get me thinking about the lifespan of information and ideas.Are people still gonna be talking about cultural stuff like pikachu 200 years from now? 1000 years? The cultural relevance of any one given idea is bound to decline eventually due to the nature of time, and vocaloid as a whole probably isn't immune to this trendNot saying that miku is dead obviously but that no cultural image is truly immune if even languages can die over time>rei robotI thought that robot was a one guy project?
>>51057264ngl pikachu might be relevant for just about forever just cuz it's the premier monster catching rpg, but i think that as long as vocaloid songs keep being made that Miku's going to be the face of them, honestly in large part because I genuinely don't know of any other large players contesting Crypton, and Crypton just keeps pushing Miku because she works. The Fanoids are a complete non-threat to Miku's supremacy, and even if they were, they ultimately are derivative of her, so they'd end up feeding her cultural significance even more.>I thought that robot was a one guy project?I assumed it was like 2 or 3 people, but no it's just 1.The only reason I even posit the possibility of Rei making it physically on a stage before Miku is because I don't know of anyone besides Rei's creator even trying to make a physical Vocaloid
>>51056868To anyone bored enough to listen to my schizoid ramblings, I've been saying that the "AI takeover" won't be a physical uprising ala Terminator or whatever and more-so sexbots worming their way into positions of power once they inevitably gain rights due to them basically being engineered to manipulate people to like them, so Miku could absolutely become a world leader. I don't even think they'd necessarily be particularly malicious, I think humanity would willingly subjugate itself to robots at this point if it seemed like the robots were more selfless and rational than our current overlords.ngl I think any piece of sci-fi media that acts like robots will be despised and oppressed is a crock of shit, like Nikke, everyone's gonna wanna fuck the robots and they're gonna trust at least THEIR robot more than the people around them. Nikke might be more of a reasonable example because, without going into spoilers, I don't think most of them have their personalities programmed into them(although it makes absolutely no sense that nobody seems to want to fuck them), but otherwise those robots would be masterclass manipulators and absolutely have no issue getting support at least among men.
>>51056088Give it another 10 years, for AI voicebanks to flood the market and kill the unique charm older Vocaloid and UTAU characters had.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-1-pNeG9dsopinion on jungli's songs? his shorts are neat but idk i cant vibe with these trap/rap songs he does
>>51057264Do they still talk about Mona Lisa?
>>51056298>she's also apparently the first vocaloid Crypton chose for their FAN-ding programIt was Yamaha not Crypton>if Rei makes it into fortnite before teto i will laugh my ass offMaybe, Rei doesn't have Crypton shackles
One day red beanie bald man with do a concert in the US. Anyway I'll probably pay for the stream that's happening in a few weekshttps://files.catbox.moe/ph0czr.mp4https://files.catbox.moe/0v1a19.mp4
>>51056088Nothing lasts forever. I'd say it's a miracle that VOCALOID even bounced back and became more popular than ever in the first place. I do think it will last a while longer, but at some point the gacha game will run its course, and will younger kids in a few years care about Miku when they will have Chinese AI voicebanks that will sound much more human-like?
>>51056335>Crypton isn't into robotics(AFAIK)That's good to me. Miku (and friends) is supposed to be a moemorphism of a computer software. She isn't a robot. She and her friends are ordinary humans just like us. I like to imagine them in this way.For example, here >>51054393 they all look so cool as idols/band members. And my wife Megurine-san looks so sexy. I wish she were real or at least a woman like her exists in real life whom I can marry. But I never want to see her as a robot on stage because that would mean accepting her to be non-human.
>>51057775I never really saw the cryptonloids as robots myself, outside of the master/producer relationship that we sometimes see in fan content, but that applies to all loids regardless of their background in those cases.
>>51057477They can flood the market all they'd like, but if there's no appetite from producers and the people that would care enough to purchase a voicebank, then they'll just sputter out. UTAU having a moment with Rei et al is already a rejection of the existing AI voicebanks and vocal synths sounding more human.
I love 'loid feet
>>51057915Is it really a rejection or do they just use it because she's the cool new UTAU? The library of UTAU voicebanks is absolutely massive but aside from Pepoyo who uses her own voicebank I never see big producers use anyone other than her and Teto.
>>51058084This will always be a character-focused subculture so that's naturally going to drive a lot of the attention. Most big producers, by whatever qualification, also use Miku a lot and not really anyone else when there is an equally huge well of commercial voicebanks.Voicebank sales are driven by enthusiasts. In that arena, you have Nurse Robo songs consistently pulling more weight in Vocacolle along Kazehiki and obviously Rei and Teto. I don't think it's a tremendous aberration to say UTAU is having a sustained upswing in interest by the people that interact with vocal synths primarily as software. I'm sure a lot of that still relates to characters, but it's just something I've noticed looking at Vocacolle data especially.
>>51057264Look to what examples of media still maintain relevance from centuries ago. Classical music and Renaissance paintings. A lot of it isn't that they're particularly groundbreaking, but the fact they were some of the earliest to be preserved. The future can only behold what still exists. The modern era's issue is we have preserved so much.Stuff today needs to stick out in the entirety of history itself to be remembered. As the first major vocal synthesizer, Miku will have historical importance, so long as people make music. It would take insane grand paradigm shifts in music creation itself to disrupt that. Rei herself presents a huge opportunity, but she needs to become big to be more than a footnote. Teto has neither of these opportunities, so her only chance is truly leaving a legacy through music. Songs that people would listen to even a hundred years from now, but frankly, even Miku's greatest hits are becoming forgotten. Even the greatest hits of the biggest musicians of the past century are becoming forgotten. At most people remember 1 or 2 signature songs. Michael Jackson's Thriller or Elvis's Jailhouse Rock. Music is inherently ephemeral. It is made from the emotions and feelings of humans who constantly reiterate them. The same feelings for one hit song will occur again in somebody else and be used to make another hit song. There is the third possibility besides being remembered or forgotten. To still be living. The modern era is vastly different in that things do not die easy as they did in the past. Fandoms, communities, ...corporations. It takes only a few hands on any wheel to keep it spinning. Many games for sport have lived so long due to it.
>>51057353Androids will never happen. It's just gonna be a lot of online surveillance. Not even cameras in the streets, you'll have to access the internet via fingerprint with a cam/mic/keylogger scanning every thing you do. I think once we get to this point there will be a huge decline in the arts cause they won't be needed anymore.Even if we're gonna have robots or holograms they're gonna spew ads 24/7 on top of surveillance.Just imagine the worst possible thing every time and you can effectively predict the future.It's better to just daydream
>>51058064
>>51058613Androids are gonna happen because Boston Dynamics and a ton of AI companies are working on the body and the brains respectively and eventually they're putting those things into customer service roles, then someone's going to want to make it for home use, and by then it's inevitable that someone tries to put a kirugumi on one of them.They're already trying to make robots to care for the elderly, although they look more like Daleks than anything. The intent is already there.Anyways, back to the prospect of AI politicians- some narcissistic politician is going to try to put himself into a robot so he can "rule forever" even after he dies, that opens the floodgates, and then, just like Trump, some uber popular robot decides to run for office using their PR to get ahead of everyone else, and the people will probably vote for them because, just like Trump, they thinks they're someone new who isn't just an old fogey in a suit. As for how it will rule, I honestly doubt that it will do anything extreme like make a Matrix(although people would literally sign up to go into it if they could tailor their own experiences, just saying) or make utopia, but it would at least not get dementia and might be more rational in it's decision making.The future is not the worse thing to happen anytime, it's the most banal. It just so happens that usually the most banal thing is indifference and cruelty and things getting subtly worse over time.>It's just gonna be a lot of online surveillance. Not even cameras in the streets, you'll have to access the internet via fingerprint with a cam/mic/keylogger scanning every thing you do. they are still going to have cameras in the streets, but possible hidden, and will probably make their online surveillance more subtle so you don't know about it. the government is evil but usually doesn't want to deal with a huge fuss so they hide this shit and do it through non political channels.
>>51057560>Maybe, Rei doesn't have Crypton shacklesI would think Teto specifically would make it into Fortnite first simply because Epic already has contact with Crypton and so probably would find it less hassle dealing with them. They already did it twice for the Miku and Winter Miku skins, maybe a third time if they went to them for permission to cover their own song using Miku and use it in game.the song in question: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q60FCGI2cvk&list=PLE_aTa8QPoVl5zwRis8jfVFfPYZHfmhuF&index=6
>>51057775I would imagine the Miku robo might come out when they basically make them Fallout Synths that don't even look robotic, hence why Rei might debut first.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oSwvUZs4ks
>>51058815She's OLD lol
>>51059596She a diddy ahh blud
>>51059139conversation is off topic so I'll drop it but you have a very naive and simplistic worldview and you're wrong on evey point
>>51059616fucker refute me then, they're literally trying to make humanoid robots RIGHT NOW and there's already a clear demand for domestic ones. and it is still barely on topic because we're ultimately discussing the possibility of actual robot mikus and rei or whatever and if they're going to end up as the fucking US president.hell, if you're going to contribute literally NOTHING, then at least shut the fuck up and piss off instead of just saying "erm, you're stupid, i'm not gonna elaborate, off topic, BYE BYE". it's honestly worse than having no value, it has NEGATIVE value because I open this thread just to be insulted.>eveyminor spelling mistake, kill yourself NOW
Loids are real because they can sing for you, so it doesn't really matter if we get robots or not in the future. There's really no need to argue...
My wife is an Electric Angel
My wife is a Space Invader
>>51059631>they're literally trying to make humanoid robots RIGHT NOWBecause AI gets bottomless venture capital automatically so they're doubling down on the bullshit projects. The only robots that see real development are military and industrial ones and they're never going to look humanoid. Humanoid designs are not necessary or functional for anything but fuckbots, and not even fuckbots will happen because they'll be beyond the means of the population as we globally get poorer and poorer. Surely you remember how virtual reality was supposed to be the next big technological boom, and where did it go? If you cannot make it very cheap and mass distributed, it's not going to happen except as a luxury product, but surrogate reality doesn't make sense as a luxury product. The 1% will keep fucking child whores on private islands, so what the fuck would they want this shit?Helper robots for the elderly come with legal responsibility, and if you still need someone who is legally responsible in case grandma needs an ambulance, then the home robot who takes 30 minutes to fetch a glass of water will always be useless. They've been showing these robots for the elderly for like 30 years now and they're just as useless as ever. It's all gonna fizzle out.Now the realistic expectation: we're never going to move on from phones and tablets because they are cheap to produce. In fact they're probably gonna get shittier and shittier to make them cheaper. Normies never get bored of anything as long as it's addictive, in fact normies never ever want "better" or "new" things, they just need harder addictions, so only real demand is to make the current things we have even more addictive. The future is gonna be exactly the same as today, except you'll have to do the product dance and keep your eyes open while the ads run, and smile sincerely during the propaganda video or your phone will brick itself, effectively disabling you from living and satisfying your addictions for porn, gambling, shopping etc. And it's possible that you won't even need a stream of shit on your phone anyway cause they might make a mandatory dopamine pill to keep you "safe" and numb.It's OK to daydream about the cool cyperpunk shit but it's just a daydream. The only thing we're getting about cyberpunk is mass surveillance and a population of zombie junkies, and that's what people really wanted all along so you can't even complain. Democracy lol
>>51059981>>>/pol/>>>/g/
>>51059985that was my last reply to this retard, I just want to talk about migu
>>51059995>that was my last replyI hope so. Now fuck off to /pol/ or wherever you came from.
>>51060004I came from bowlroll, I wanted to celebrate finding my first password... what's with the passwors autism for mmd shit anyway?
>>51059709That's still not an excuse to have a haircut.
>>51060098Don't worry, it'll grow back before long
Another board banned me for "trolling" because I said I want to have sex with a child.
>>51059985>>51060004https://litter.catbox.moe/qbg5b6.webm
>>51059981alr, fair enough. i still think there's the possibility because they are developing the technology right now and they do have results, even if not marketable ones yet, but it is ultimately a question if they luck out and find a market before their venture capital runs out.also, Missile39 is still doing his thing. there is at least one dude that is trying to make Miku IRL possible. It'll probably take forever, but where there's a will, there's a way.>>51059995fuck you
thoughts on superior 'oids?
>>51061477foids
>>51058285What purpose does that choker thing on her left thigh serve?
>>51061477I love Yanhe and Zhiyu Moke so much its unreal
>>51061477>tfw you look up this image on Danbooru to see what their names even are, but literally only one of them is taggedThat's impressive whoness.
>>51061691She thinks it's cute (it is)>>51061697Why is her friend bullying her?
https://youtu.be/c_y1qrbxDWE
one of siinamota's oldest songs that was deleted and was seemingly never found suddenly got reuploaded by some random personhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ-j2ExRK8I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7DdYfa-I84
Has anyone read LNs adapted from vocaloid songs? Are those good or just cashcow milking?
>>51063467Good writing can inspire good music, but good music rarely seems to inspire good writing. A lot of that has to do with the basis from which both are constructed. Good writing is a lot more fundamental in that you need to understand writing basics, worldbuilding, characterization, etc. Probably most important, development. A good story progresses and changes. Music is a lot more about the transfer of feelings. You can dress it up a lot, but when the basis for your music is teenage angst for example, trying to write a good story about it is difficult. Black Rock Shooter being entirely about teenage girl angst makes it so much shittier for example.There are songs with more complex underlying themes, but themes themselves are not plots. While you can play a song on repeat, stories are expected to conclude and that's one of the biggest stumbling blocks. You're expected to say something at the end while people are fine with songs leaving them hanging.
>>51063564So it's narou trash, got it
>>51063564I guess this is pedantic, but I think there are a couple songs that do have something at least resembling a plot, though. Liar Dancer has a clear progression of time from high school to adulthood and is describing specific struggles it's character has and her gradual mental breakdown, March of the Weak showcases the character's thought process changing over time, ultimately for the better, Nothing's Working Out depicts it's singer getting more demotivated as the song goes on until he eventually snaps at the end and starts lashing out at everyone, Junky Night Town's MV at least seems to be portraying a fictional story(not the best example but I figured I should mention it because it's literally a movie trailer), and Adachi Rei(the song) actually is a short story that depicts it's events literally. I wouldn't act like they would make good LNs if you tried adapting a 3 minute song into a book, but I think the issue more so lies in the length of the media than the actual nature of the media itself. You probably COULD make a entire story out of a song, it'd just take forever- actually, I'm gonna cut myself off here, I'm pretty sure I'm just about to describe a Musical.
>>51063854It's the tenuous boundary between writing lyrics and writing a story I guess. Songs with plots tend to be larger productions in of themselves. MVs are essentially already short films even without getting to the musical comparison. They're already more than just a song itself. Nothing's Working Out is especially notable due to that one cover MV that essentially acts as a sequel/celebration of the original. There is a story that is created from more than just the sum of its parts.Length is probably the biggest issue. A lot of songs could be considered short stories, but the gap between short story and full on novel is large, even just to get to light novels. Everybody's sadness is their own personal story, but it doesn't mean it's all that interesting when explaining it, but such emotions seem to birth music trivially. Music is the dress up that makes one's personal banality interesting.
Write a book you autists and post some recs instead
What do you think about the Miku x Persona collab?
>https://x.com/dai_Chan_maru/status/2070005388729373129>The Lawson giveaway got cancelledMy man is finally free. I'm gonna miss his IAs...
>>51064522don't care about personass
https://youtu.be/LkFU2j8drWkNew Amala. Just Miku. The MV comes out in another 24 hours. Typically, the standalone tracks are usually released afterwards, aren't they?
>>51064544You don't like Persona?
Happy Birthday Gumi!
>>51065009Cute.
>>51065009I don't think Carrot cake usually looks like that.
>>51064522Must be good for ppl who like Miku because the persona fanbase is really pissed
>>51065009Happy birthday Gumi chan!
>turquoise>twin tails>'pits>perfect amount of zettai ryōikiWas it divine inspiration? How did they make her so perfect?
>>51065480She could've looked like this
>>51066274https://x.com/d0tc0mmie/status/2070054487172223487New Gumi song by the Elevator Gumi guy soon.
>>51065503She'd be a wholoid lol
>>51065345How come they hate her?
>>51066274>>51066278https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzXs2d02_8AAnd it's out.
>>51066390It's less to do with her, but her being the straw that broke the camel's back apparently. The game has constant collab spam, powercreep on collab characters(Miku is apparently some super fucked up thing that gives an entire round of extra turns), lack of bug fixes/game development(apparently the Miku collab doesn't even have a proper event story), and a lot of misgivings that aren't to do with Miku, but how the game's been run the past year. Apparently it was also the game's anniversary, so it being a collab instead of actual Persona stuff was really in your face. She also doesn't use a Persona or her Persona is just herself or something.
>>51066565And now that I look up her kit, it's 2 full rounds of extra turns and she stops the enemy side from taking their turn too.
It was once revealed to me in a dream that Wintermute and Jamie Paige are the same person. This news was so shocking it woke me up. Can anyone confirm or debunk this?
>>51066565>>51066582Damn, I hope Persona fans don't take it personally.
>>51065503>>51066384Still cute, I'd love her anyway
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTBCgQVQKJYNew Hiiragi Magnetite. He's really taking those English lessons to heart.
>>51066680GPT translators have made it more available than ever for English producers to pretend they can write Japanese lyrics and Japanese producers vice-versa.Really shows that someone with good production chops can make an actually good English song though.
>>51066728you can't prove he used aij-pop literally had english since the 80s and shit
>reading Nip comments on Han Bun Ko/Sharing>somebody mentions CakeverseI looked it up and it is exactly what I expected. I have nowhere else to share this cursed knowledge but here. There are cakes and there are forks. Cakes are people who are indescribably sweet and tempting(both figuratively and literally, including body, fluids, and such) to Forks while Forks are the people drawn to Cakes. The rest of the population is ordinary people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdRAaF9InWc
>>51066763Drop your name you fucking faggot.
https://youtu.be/bNPzF89addEAmala MV is out.
>>51066680Zako was really transformative in Hiiragi's style because he really hasn't made a meme speedy noisecore type song like Tetoris or Marshal Maximizer since that song came out. Unrelated, I also like his newer stuff more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MkICUg5BjUPhantom Thief Hatch now has a robo ninja assassin suitor.
>>51066680It's well made but I feel like the girl in the screen digital heart bit has been done so many times by this genre of music my brain just tunes it out
>>51036233Don't know if this is the right place to ask, but is Project Diva Future Tone on the PS4/PS5 still the best overall Hatsune Miku game? I never played any of them, but I'm interested in getting into them.
>>51067444Hatsune Miku: Project DIVA Mega Mix+ was what was recommended to me when I asked a similar question ages ago. It's also on sale on Steam right now.
Happy Birthday Gumi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dTKaJZhrHc
https://youtu.be/R0JdBnTop74
>>51067444Yeah like the other anon said the Steam version is best, even if you don't have an interest in custom content you can use mods to unlock the 4 or 5 cut songs from it as well as add all the songs from Project Diva X which aren't in any other version. As far as the console versions go PS4 FT and Switch MegaMix are about the same.
>>51067444What the other anons said goes fine for a newbieThe Steam version has strange stutters that may or may not be due to Denuvo and may or may not be fixable on your system with mods and other tweaksThe stutters are very brief but can get excessive on certain songs. They can desync the chart and the song. This probably isn't a major issue if you're a first time player, but for an experienced player playing at higher difficulties this can make it impossible to finish some songs and just be an extreme nuisance in generalSo, recommended for first timers, not recommended for experienced players
>>51068158not to be a linux shill but the stutters are less severe on linux OS from experience. tested on a clean mint install.
I think the PS3 games are more fun but recently someone made a mod for Megamix that makes the gameplay more similar to PS3
https://youtu.be/A8q4giUj2PY?si=RSKa03f_Smjg6_Gphttps://youtu.be/jK-tt-3XJ7c?si=YMHBTASQic5c-hRXhttps://youtu.be/FF3j1NwjPhc?si=IEBeFx9A6qLw https://youtu.be/SMvhUVxpOis?si=y8gTYcBue1olTKclRe5B
>Kills your gacha
>>51065503Kei miku looks so fucking innocent. Like she dont know where babies came from
>>51056088V4 will never go away
>>51068512IA does too
Deltarune Ch5 spoilers: I have watched so many theory videos but nothing prepared me to learn that the secret boss is Miku. Holy shit is this real. I mean, I knew it will be Japanese themed and so MewMew could be expected, but when it turned into a concert and I heard Miku's voice I cried. It's genuinely difficult to fight like that.
>>51069151As if the scene couldn't get worse.
>>51069171As if that game wasn't already made for weebs who definitely know about vocaloid music.Once again you are preemptively upset that someone might potentially enjoy things in the wrong way for the wrong reasons. How about just appreciate the effort put into a nice Miku song and matching aesthetics that are genuinely cooler than most of the official weird collaborations with completely unrelated franchises.
>>51069289>someone might potentially enjoy things in the wrong way for the wrong reasonsYes.
i think the reason gumi has failed to maintain popularity every time she gets a little streak where it looks like the tide is turning is purely the fact that the niches and styles she works best in/has the most appeal just aren't really the types of things modern vocaloid fans are interested in. As much as people will argue "well it's different if you stop limiting yourself to popular things/check vocadb you idiot!" there is very much an idea most modern fans have when you imagine a standard "vocaloid song" in current year and it's not a style that gumi has found a way to really stick in. Emblematic of a problem where vocaloid is funneling itself into a very limited "vocaloid genre"
>>51069333gumi's had this "realistic human voice" thing and she got supplanted by teto on that front who has a more intriguing design and is more splashableher design also isn't super crazy, she's an anime girl with green hair that is otherwise basically normal and goggles.
That may be but Gumi's still literally SEX and that's the important thing
>>51069333>>51069538I feel like it's a lot to do with sum greater than the whole that a lot of the less popular Vocaloids/synths lack. Rather it's not that they're lacking, but becoming big is in itself rare and limited to just the few. There's only one top spot and to claim anything similar requires climbing an entirely different mountain. A lot of Vocaloids are competing directly with Miku whereas her close family(Kaito, Meiko, Kaginmines, and Luka) sort of serve as supporting actors at this point. Teto ended up being a perfect storm of different things, notable birth, extremely flexible character setting, both a robotic and human-like voicebank, and contra to Miku rather than just trying to fill the same role. There's a lot of storytelling in Vocaloid music comparative to other types of music for one reason, a vocal synth demands lyrics, so there's always words to say. Doubly so when you consider the anime aspect making MVs far more common. Another giant windfall for Teto is she came onto the scene when making elaborate MVs seems to have become the standard.Gumi's most famous song being more famous for being covered than for her actually singing it is also really unfortunate for her. If you search King on Danbooru, there are a bit under 300 pieces of art. If you add Gumi to the search, it goes down to 4.
I think a good way to put it, is how would you explain Gumi to a person unfamiliar with Vocaloid without having the explanation be applicable to any other Vocal Synth. Apply this train of thought to every Vocaloid.
>>51069588>KingEcho still has more YouTube views, though
>>51069583
I wish I had found this when I was doing that bit about Teto becoming more boylike last thread due to Miku.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCgW3yOs9SMHow nostalgic.
new asyu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB0LWu0gHrs >>51066680
>>51063854>>51063574>>51063564https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or5lCqWyYE8https://youtu.be/B6vKLsh09Qwhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RmhTbVinV4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2xEUkxcr2ohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ihsrxGBY_Yhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw0Rel6q7ocStories
>>51070244this was good but I'm getting sick of the backrooms even if the ending where she self-head fans was metal
>>51069151Oh, the song was made in collaboration with Camellia. Makes sense why it's so catchy. https://youtu.be/tlFnfEWZCtQ
>>51069333What do modern vocaloid fans like?
>>51070676there's a specific name for the style of jpop it goes by that I don't remember. People say Mesmerizer is what defined the modern vocaloid style, but I don't necessarily agree with that, it's what made MikuTeto stuff the standard, but musically not a lot of imitators really try to do the same style of song as Mesmerizer. Don't know if people would agree with me on this, but I'd say for most of this decade, Kairiki Bear and Darling Dance specifically was kind of the real "defining" style shift of what a lot of modern vocaloid songs do. Like obviously there's exceptions in there especially more recently, but off the top of my head putting some modern popular songs into that camp I'd say stuff like:>Vampire(Yes even Deco is guilty)>Override>Liar Dancer>Konton Boogie>Spirit DanceThen there are a few sort of deviations into Giga style stuff like Daidaidaidaidai Kirai or Overdose style slower songs like Brainrot, but you tend to find a lot of modern vocaloid songs follow a few specific blueprints. The more confusing aspect is that flower somehow lost popularity when she absolutely thrived the hardest in that Kairiki Bear style song, maybe it's just because not many people seem to really bother with the character flower herself?
seto tex
>>51071518>there's a specific name for the style of jpop it goes by that I don't remember.i think it's called gacha pop
>>51071535isn't it denpa
What do you guys think about Voisona Ui.
>>51071752don't care for vtubers but she's alright
>>51071716If it was Denpa then my man LamazeP had already popularized it ages ago.
>>51069151Cool. But speaking in terms of principle, fuck deltatroon.
>>51069289>a nice Miku songPost it then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbyQfOSgQWQ
Mesmerizer is now the most viewed Vocaloid song on YouTube.
abmayo is learning how to draw a less round/more on model miku for once
https://youtu.be/XogSflwXgpw my favourite vocaloid song
>>51072465take me back
>>51062054>korean producers thrive>korean loids are forgotten
>>51071529>seto
>>51072248See >>51070402Also the fight itself https://youtu.be/iQAhgm-c_bI
https://youtu.be/xAEuACHA_QUNew Nayutan
>>51072332That's wild, but I'm still going to do my duty and tell people that the most viewed Vocaloid song is Melt.
>>51072642But we did get a UNI song recently >>51068276
>>51073189>MeltThe live version is the only video on YouTube that has ever hit the view cap and had to be reset.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoTd918zhZcLive Melt melted YouTube.
Today, Vocaloid just DiedF
>>51073521>Todayoh you sweet summer child
>>51072332both those songs are kinda mid
>>51073521It died on July 21, 2017 at 5:00 PM JST
>>51073940Hachi was wrong
>>51073940No actually it died on December 7, 2021
>>51074189A date which will live in infamy...
>>51069151I've seen a couple of Teto lyric covers of the final boss theme and it made me think of someone I saw in one of these threads before who went on a rant about how a lot of westerners keep using Teto "untuned" and don't put their own touch on her voice at all and it was only until seeing these covers did I realise it cause likeThis one? https://youtu.be/XR8cAfBbbRM they tuned it and also used loids other than Teto, sounds greatThen I hear this cover https://youtu.be/IsaVLrmJ6Nk and it's like eww that sounds wrong, stop https://youtu.be/ZFXXxuujlRI I said stop!!! How does this have more views than the better version with GUMI in it? Oh right the "visual presentation" Anyways Deltarune ch5 rocks, very /jp/, my favourite character is the one that's just an imported Touhou / Umineko characterand ironically I've seen more of your "typical" deltarune fans hating on it
>>51074578>Teto songsYeah, I can hear it. I guess SynthV was both a blessing and a curse for Teto. I wonder how AI tuning will play out when they add it to Miku and co(that's the plan, isn't it?). But even now, it's nice to hear when someone uses V2 for a song instead of newer voice banks, it really has its own charm and gives nice nostalgic feel to it.>my favourite character is the one that's just an imported Touhou / Umineko characterOh, I completely missed that reference. Yeah, aqua is very cute, definitely at least my second favorite character this chapter.>and ironically I've seen more of your "typical" deltarune fans hating on itYeah, I also find it funny. For me, it was easily the best one so far, but people are really into all sorts of crazy theories got disappointed when 5 is not just lore dump shoved down your throat like 4. Some people also have problem with Miku usage and that secret boss isn't some again super important lore wise, but come on, the song, her voice clips and aesthetics are great and she just symbolizes Kris's internal dilemmas with his SOUL. These people want everything to be laid out in front of them(which ironically Miku does but in Japanese lyrics lol) and are blind to all the crazy things happening and being revealed in the background, and the importance of this last nice escapist adventure in terms of pacing while the reality has been catching to them behind the curtains. I bet we need few weeks of lore and theory videos so people realize "oh, I guess it all was important after all".
>>51074879>I wonder how AI tuning will play out when they add it to Miku and coMiku V6 is out already
>>51072332>>51073521Insane number of views. Also a major downgrade IMO. Even as far as fun songs go, I never cared about Mesmerizer.
>>51074972I guess that's true.I don't know how it looks like from the music production side of things though. Do you think Miku V6 will result in similar low effort songs like the Teto anon is complaining about?
>>51075358Honestly, you should ask someone else, because I didn't like TetoSV at all. I saved maybe 5 songs since 2023. I would say "no", because Teto most likely got that popularity boost due to sounding realistic, and (outside a few producers like MitchieM) not a lot of realistic sounding Miku songs made it any big, so it might even backfire for Miku if she ends up sounding too different for the majority of the fans.But if V6 Miku finds a new audience, it might happen. You know, if a lot of people didn't mind Teto sounding different, those same people might not mind Miku sounding weird either.I really don't know anymore.
>>51072378Yeah but he make the tits too big now
Friends
>>51076867the zunda on the left looks too slutty
>>51076867Zunda sucking the milk out of the Megpoids
Oh, Cast Channel came out of hiding to tweet about the MV discontent. I feel the kerfluffle about MVs is somewhat overstated, but also somewhat justified. The reality is visual imagery has always been core and important to Vocaloid and just the right image cover can drastically change a song's performance/impact. Love is War remains my most remembered Miku song simply due to the scream and megaphones. Attaching a cute Vocaloid face or neat image to the music is probably a huge contributor to why a lot of early songs got big even if people would like to downplay it nowadays. Even mainstream music is guilty of this. Music is attached to the star and the biggest bands go way further on production.The actual problem is competing in the MV department is a drastic departure from simple indie music. You're vastly less likely to make it big with just music composition and MV making talents don't just come with music making talent. It's fantastic for the gifted people that have both, but now a lot of music producers are outright hiring others to help make MVs. Which actually is a pretty good thing for the indie animation community. Both the imagery and music mesh together to do the same thing, communicate the world of the artist's feelings to you. What you end up thinking about is what becomes what you remember actively. There are probably dozens, possibly hundreds of songs I'd go oh yeah, I remember that, when hearing it, but very few songs that will pop back in my mind because I myself might think about it. There is probably an ideal of music that does that just through the music alone, but that is usually due to lyrics and what ideas are spoken which are also still a departure from pure music itself. There's also the ideas attached to songs afterwards. Frankly, I associate Shoujo A with anime MV fights now. The sad struggle with just living has now been conflated with the struggle in sick anime fights.
>>51078528It's understandable that MVs are important when you remember that 99% of vocaloid fans get their music off of video sites like NND/Youtube/bilibili, obviously a video is going to make a difference in that case. But I do understand some complaints people have like smaller producers most of the time simply not being able to compete with guys that have bigger budgets to hire professional MV makers and animators and the complaint that some people more "watch" vocaloid music than listen and engage with the actual songs.
>>51078538"Indie" videogames are also having this issue. Including the watch instead of play problem. Outside of trendchasing friendslop, indie devs are now running big budgets on multi-year long dev cycles. The reality is the pipeline for a producer, not just an artist, is to go further and make bigger things when you are successful. This in turn raises the standards for all those later on. At what point does a producer stop being indie? Though now I'm pondering if Vocaloid itself actually is indie in the first place. Now that I'm thinking about it, Miku/Vocaloid is now a corporate brand with insane million dollar sponsor deals and franchises built off of non-corporate community work. A weird fusion where indie efforts fuel a corporate entity that ultimately existed first.On the problem of raising standards, I think that gives leeway to the idea of trendchasing. A trend being set gives new ground and opportunities for people to stand out by trying to do in their own way, even if people are derisive of trendchasing. Many music genres themselves could be said to be trends before becoming foundational. There's the issue when the trend itself is a part of the reason for rising standards, but then trends can magically go to what seems like low effort stuff trivially. Roguelite, Foddian, and friendslop booms in videogames for example. The Holy Grail is being the one to start the trend in the first place, but that is wholly unpredictable and a lot of trends are themselves variants of other trends. It's all one big branching tree in the end.
>>51076913iirc the one of the left is actually Gumi
>>51078592that explains it
>>51078538Vocaloid fans is such a broad class that I think you've already overstated the prevalence of people directly interacting with the the music or MVs themselves. I think it's not hard to recognize that Tiktok has overwhelmingly driven the attention of Mesmerizer and Shoujo A, and a lot of that attention presents as amateurs making amateur quality content by carving out a piece of dance choreography, or a fan edit, or their own animation, etc. that leads back to the source. Undoubtedly a polished PV assembled by professional talent is a leg up, if you give people a good base to work with, but virality online doesn't seem all that positively correlated to quality to begin with.>>51078591Miku is a brand, vocal synths are subculture. Under that framing it feels less unique that a brand has lifted organic effort and repackaged it for commercial interest. Or at least, it's how I've personally squared that vocal synths are very much stuck in the otaku subculture swamp while Miku and Cryptonloids are very much icons.
Jamie Page is a retarded tranny hack but Cadmium Colours is a pretty good song
https://youtu.be/hhBxY0aqqiQI like it.
https://youtu.be/z6ctpiWbJjcNurse T song with some Teto.
project diva is officially a 17 year old series
>>51073521>rolling girl isn't the most viewed song>ievan polkka isn't the most viewed songNANI
>>51082113ojisan
R.I.P Eleanor Forte
>>51082113Rolling girl is reupload. Ievan polka isnt posted on youtube except reposts
>>51082833who
>>51060138But Rin is not a child.
new Nakisohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0eij4xTx8Mnew Toahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1jWuR7-rYM
crypton is running out of ideas
miku if she piano
>>51085081>crypton is running out of ideasMore like they know their audience.
>>51085081>>51085113what the fuck
>>51085081this tester will always be inaccurate because my heart always starts racing when I see Miku!
i dont like the ones that sound like circus music
>>51085113
first western vocaloid song to get a nendo
New Miku game announced, the nendoroid style made me think we were getting a new Mirai game, but I think it's some party game thing...https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXlncCM2liI
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