>>63997505
I second the question and thank OP for posting that image, i've been looking for it for a while.

>>63997505
The guides became irrelevant when prices changed and new models came out. They were never updated and just faded into obscurity. Also a lot of these newfag tourists don’t even own guns and aren’t American.

It's on archive.org and the wikidump at time of death is at linkrel
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63619407/#q63646691

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>>63997505
Like this one?

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>>63997505
>>63997557
spbp
everything's been fucked since 2019 and It won't get better until retailers suffer for their price gouging.

If its poorfaggery you seek its bolt action sears shotguns loaded with walmart skeet load wax slugs, and learning how to cast lead slugs for your 99$ royal tiger carcano using brass salvaged and formed from parent cases found at your local scrapyard (while digging through their wheel weight bin for lead) or waiting until your local sporting goods store has a special before deer season on whatever bargain basement bolt gun and scope combo in a common caliber But I think plenty of people would be too lazy to actually do any of that anymore, and just complain about how expensive everything is.

yeah shit's fucked, but you can do things about it. figure out how to be reliant on components and understand how to replace them.
you may not be able to get something but having the ability to create something is worth the items tenfold.

>>63997585
>Error fetching Post No.63646691 from Desuarchive

>>63997814
desu is having intermittent downtime

>>63997825
Understood. I'm a old person and i have recently realized that archives of posts from 10-20 years ago are of great interest to me.

>>63997588
>>63997608
Tbh I just wanted the see the knife chart again. Fuck those faggots at fandom, it affected other boards like /lit/ too

>>63997883
The knife general still has them.

>>63997585
Would it be worth hosting using something like xwiki again?

>>63997557
This, /k/ became inundated with outsiders and the sense of community dissipated, also taking away the collective drive to actually make content for it. We're a colony of redditors, thirdies with smart phones and state agents now instead of a niche collective of teenaged and 20-something American white kids with a few hundred bucks to spend on a surplus rifle and a case of military ammo from the 70s.

>>63997883
>Tbh I just wanted the see the knife chart again. Fuck those faggots at fandom, it affected other boards like /lit/ too
Get a Larue Tacticool.

>>63997588
no more poorfag infographics

they just buy the cheap shit anyway without any thought

Only focus on the mid tier range

>>64000040
Yes, a new wiki would have a bunch of uses.

>>63997505
It probably doesn't exist anymore and the lazy fucking mods under Hiroshimoot will let /pol/posting and foreign bots overrun this board because they're lazy fucking niggers.

>>64000068
People make guides for the generals now. One anon documents body armor better than anywhere else for /gq/, one furry has managed to singlehandedly wrangle /arg/ in a way that isn't a nightmare, etc.

The mistake of thinking community projects are doomed stems a lot from misunderstandings about how many people contribute. The "participation inequality" pyramid is all about the top 10% of users and their response to ideas pushed by the top 1-2%. Everything else falls in line.

The biggest issue today isn't even spam, it's malaise/demoralization and misconceptions about when, how, and why things suck. There is enough latent potential to make the board good at any time. The autism dissipates because threads expire and people forget about them. But this isn't difficult to work around.

>>64001203
This board sucks because there isn't enough quality control on the moderation side to keep out non American trolls who show up just to shit things up. The only way for this board to go back to the 2012 days is to ban non American IPs.

>>64001225
They use a spamming service that provides them with normal IPs from a residential VPN botnet. There are only a couple of spammers doing all of it. Threads actually started getting better and stayed up longer after the porn spam, I think because more people finally realized that it's just one guy and it doesn't matter at all. If you defend your threads from being slid (mostly doesn't even happen because dying threads are held in limbo for a bit), nothing changes about the catalog. The spam is gone within minutes to an hour.

I'm not doing apologetics for the system - it's wildly inept. But there's a zen in accepting the jank shitassery of the site. Refreshing every minute for New Content™ is the core cause of the spam and troll threads having any influence on a person's mood.

>>64000040
do it

>>63997585
>>63997814
>>63997825
It's working for me now. Would be nice if this thread lives a little while longer as a chat on re-wikifying.

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>>64000068
We lost a lot of the random autists that made the interesting posts at random and the 3rd world got cellphone internet. We lost the weird boomers that were too much for regular forums and gained trolls and brown people.

Note that most wikidumps, including ours here, are just flat XML files that concatenate all the pages in MediaWiki format. The mediawiki syntax is like markdown but a bit messier (more sophisticated) – the syntax used on wikipedia.

That is, they are (1) small files and (2) easy to work with. So there's no reason not to grab yourself a spare copy.

For anyone considering either setting up the new wiki or helping out:

I can tell you with confidence from experience that the main ease of access considerations for a new wiki are exactly these things:

1. no login requirement and easy accounts
2. drafting in both markdown and wikitext
3. WYSIWYG / easy previewing

Fancy features take a backseat to those things. New wikis succeed when they are only marginally more effort to use than simpler tools like rentry.org and hackmd.io

For actual content suggestions, I could ramble on forever. The gist is this:

1. Start with core themes – /k/lit, media, fun guns, important topics from the generals. These are the main focus of the board and it's very easy to write stuff for them.

2. ONE meta/guide page for everything like: page editing, using the archives, image and webm editing, etc.

3. ONE list-of-lists page as an entrypoint for nearly everything. This page includes things like the names of every general.

4. ONE media host for all images, videos, and documents. This makes it vastly more feasible to perform full HQ backups of the wiki.

5. ONE "big" page for most topics. That is, immediately set up the convention of dedicated portal (hub) pages for autists with personal interests to sprawl as much as they want.

That last point means giving topics like modern conflicts, niche interests, and curation of a whole category of weapon their own main page, to provide focus for the people interested in those things. This is *in contrast to* worrying about Categories.

So instead of setting up a million Categories for SMGs or Revolvers or North Korea >>63997840 on a new wiki that only has 15 pages so far and 5 of them are individual guns, you create an SMG page and a Revolver page and a North Korea page. Let them sprawl, in one place, until they can't anymore.

Do this preemptively for the topics we have single-issue autists for. Stub the page for them by importing highlights of their posts from the archives. Simple as. This method is how you maximize effort from contentposters and minimize grief for them. Premature optimization is the root of all evil. Keep it simple.

>>64004814
>We lost a lot of the random autists that made the interesting posts at random
They still show up, it just takes more diligent reading to notice them now.

>the 3rd world got cellphone internet.
A travesty, but one that isn't being reversed if we just wait it out. People who are still posting here, despite it all are... still posting here. That's the bottom line for any rational plan.

>>64004882
And I can tell you with confidence from experience that the main anti-spam considerations for a new wiki are exactly these things:

1. login requirement and restricted accounts
2. active admins to deal with spam that gets through
3. weirdass wiki software nobody uses (mediawiki gets targeted immediately)

It's a bit of a dilemma.
Things would be so much better if malicious actors like russia and jeets were cut off the internet.

>>64004973
I don't mean to trivialize the spam problem. But spam is an eternal, adaptive problem. In current year, walled gardens die both by pacifism and by decay into obscurity much more easily than unwalled gardens die by frontal assaults.

The biggest thing /k/ has going for it, as a group, is its bellicose reactionary attitude toward streetshitting interlopers. You can still count on /k/ to help fight back against hostile actors. This is pretty unique outside of scenes like hackers -- you can't usually count on the same propensity for defensive violence.

>software stack
Yeah there's some security thru obscurity there. Anything that supports standard wikidumps or even git export/sync is compatible enough to make work.

>>64001203
/gq/ infograph anon here, glad the armor infographics are of use to you. I agree with your overall assessment of the situation. We'd be a force to be reckoned with if we concentrated autism on all fronts.
All /gq/ infographs are also stored in one imgur link for quick access.
https://imgur.com/a/gq-infographic-emporium-1-00-1lZ5xw6

bump

>>64001103
>/pol/posting
This fucking board is reddit incarnate complete with glownigs and tranny mods.

>>64007762
>nooooop if you want to talk about something other than da joooooooz for 10 seconds you're r*ddit
Good job proving his point.

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>>64005195
Thank you for this, anon.

>>64008313
Happy to help. I'm taking a break from infographing but have some ideas in the pipeline for when I want to get back into it.

>>64004933
Forgive me for being retarded, but where is the actual wiki?

As for anything that would be added single pages for various topics are a good idea especially at first. Please note that i am wikitarded and don't actually know how they work.

>>64004933
/gq/ Infograph anon here again. I'd be happy to single-issue the shit out of armor for this wiki if other autists are down for other subject matters.

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What happened to this?

>>64005195
Thanks for these. If the compression bothers you, note that catbox can do albums too.

>>64008777
We could use help with pushing a guide out for /prg/, if you find that interesting. Discussion is near the start of the current thread.

>>64008814
The old one was at Wikia which became fandom. The XML of it is at a catbox link I sent upthread as a desuarchive link, unless I'm retarded. I can re-send it when I'm not on mobile.

old
http://amagicalplace.fandom.com

The new one we're considering doesn't have any hosting yet. Someone mentioned xwiki which can be hosted or self-hosted last I checked.

>>64009157
There are backups. I can link them later.

>>64009349
>/prg/
I was talking with 1-2 guys in /gq/ about something similar, albeit with a moderate focus on piercing armor. Consensus was that M2AP reloaded into a .300wby or similar at 3,500ft/s would pierce the vast majority of Level IV on the market, XSAPIs rev. A-C and Adept Colossus included. Buffman's tests support this. M2AP projos can be readily acquired and aren't "hot" like M993 and up are. You'd have about a 150ft/s "window" before dropping into v50 range. Only exceptions are the Protech 2230, which is rated for M2AP @ 3,500ft/s and allegedly XSAPI REV. D.
I can assist with that angle and also thermals / NV integration into long range setups.

>>63997505
Just get a gen 3 g19 and an 11.5 PSA AR everything else is normalfaggot election tourist shit
>t.2015 oldfag

>>64009903
Boring! You'll be underequipped if something EVER HAPPENS
>nothing ever happens...

>>64009903
>old
wuh

>>64009462
>>64009021
>the vast majority of Level IV
I don't post in, or read, /gq/ ever, but I have background in small arms stuff, including pen and discussed/argued with anons about it a few times over the years here, and jesus fuck please can you have a page that explains non-NIJ ratings so that we don't all have to waste our time explaining that level IV is totally meaningless as a cert for discussing anything we already know is more penetrative that M2AP for the 99999999 billionth time.

>>64011560
Will do if/when the wiki gets off the ground. Until then, the "list of body armor performance standards" page on Wikipedia is an excellent summary. I recall /bag/ rewrote it a very long time ago and it holds up great, although it chickens on giving the actual XSAPI revision A-C rating, which is 3x 7.62x51 M993 @ 3,050ft/s +-50 or 3x 5.56x45 M995 @ 3,350ft/s +-50, ICW soft armor. All other ratings are however accurate, SAPI / ISAPI / ESAPI A-F, G-H, J, VPAM / revised GOST 50774-95 included.
It is however missing VTP changes and XSAPI Revision D.

Nonetheless, you would be surprised at how well M2AP holds up if driven significantly faster than 2,910ft/s.

Why are respectable red dots so fucking expensive now? I remember my first Aimpoint (ML2 I believe?) was like $250. Now it seems like every aimpoint is like $800.

>>64012078
Holosun!

bump for the wiki

>>64014154
bump for the murdercube files

>>64014154
Hope this thread makes it to the weekend, I will dig a bit more into xwiki then.

>>64016071
It's only Tuesday so that could be a longshot. We can start using this thread to pre-populate content I suppose.

Here's a fun pastebin for 3dp, for instance.
https://files.catbox.moe/eyde0i.txt

Magnet for the most current version of the Do/k/ument -- very large:
https://files.catbox.moe/k64dnw.txt

Murdercube is on archive.org and, if I remember right, The Eye.
https://web.archive.org/web/20170114070637/https://murdercube.com/files/
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for the archive's dumbass index
ark ar/k/
dokument do/k/ument
murdercube murderkube murder/k/ube

>>64017728
Very good stuff
>>64011560
gq really needs more high quality posters, the current thread is mostly shit-flinging with only a modicum of autism.

>>64019580
Why the fuck are Euros so terminally assmad with Trump?

>>64019649
People who are getting saved from themselves tend not to like it.

>>64019580
Oh good, here's a way we can keep the thread alive:

go back

>>64019580
And here i thought our -----tards were autistic spazzes.

>>64021687
>reeeeee why dont they like my bbc spam reeee

>>64019649
He cut off the free gibs and their economies are collectively on the brink

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Let's talk motivations that matter for a /k/ wiki and library.

What are your favorite types of threads?

Do you guys take notes? If so, how? And on what breadth of topics?

Do you use your own posts as notes? Like: do you make threads, or post guides, as a way to document information for yourself?

Why do you *like* documenting things for /k/? Do you prefer to teach your autism? Or do you like learning as you go, with pushback and feedback from others?

What are your LEAST favorite posts of your own? That is, which do you dislike having to make, etc?

How often do you use the archives? What for?

Do you curate media on themes, or archive threads yourself?

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>>64021766
>fave threads
This thread asked about interesting threads. In that thread, my main answers are >>63202964 >>63202982. Some replies mentioned my threads but they aren't from me, rest assured.
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63202875

>taking notes
I take notes for my work and research. I don't go out of my way to take special notes for /k/ unless the thread itself is a bit of a project. For instance, russian hacks/leaks that require special preparation (sanitization, hosting, translation...) and separation from work.

>posts as notes
Somewhat. I log every thread I make, retaining originals and edits of media plus the OP text. Sometimes I log particularly involved replies to others' threads.

>why do you like posting
Distraction from war work and the ability to boost the signal:noise ratio for things I find easy to post about, mostly.

>least favorite own posts
1) I have grown to dread the large event/show threads. 2) I don't hate threads on new weapons, but I have ended my experiment in making lots of them because this was a counter to spam which no longer exists. The board doesn't need it anymore.

>using board archive
I use the archive every day that I'm posting. Lately I've been lurking desu for the purpose of curating good/interesting/fun/notable threads.

One of the main things I'd like to do first with a new wiki would be mining the good threads for collective knowledge and board lore that people have sorta forgotten about. Many have become doomers about the board having nothing of value, but it's all just sitting there.

>media
I like exploring real-world /k/ media when I have time. Sometimes I post a gallery thread or two, but nowhere in proportion to what I have in my personal archives. I do not currently think much about *commercial* media -- films, animu, anything like that.

>>64021687
The butthurt contained in that image......

Weird thing is this isn't a thread even remotely connected to Russia, if anything a wiki would give them more places to spew their shit over.

>>64021779
From the /gq/ side, turnover is super high so we lose heavy hitters. A wiki can preserve knowledge across classes of anons, especially on technical topics like thermals, armor, terminal ballistics, first aid.
This isn't exclusive to /k/, you go on any forum and you will see the new breed are mostly not of the same caliber as the old guard.

uppo

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>>64025644
bump

>>64026034
his smug aura inspires me

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So are we serious about this wiki boys?

>>64031064
Why not? We just need to grab something and go.

>>64032245
Who's making it?

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>>64033489
Anon mentioned looking into XWiki this weekend.

As for me: my only constraints are time and a strong desire not to be the current wiki host, IF the wiki is to be self-hosted. I am however willing to consider paying for a hosted wiki, for a reasonable price, if anyone wants to look into options. For starters see:

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Starting_and_Running_a_Wiki_Website/Hosted_Wikis
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Hosting_services

Everything on a computer, especially someone else's computer, has a lifespan. Understand that full wiki export is a prerequisite for considering any host. The plan for downtime doesn't have to be complicated, but it does need to exist.

>>64034597
I don't think anyone wants to be the host, per se, since /k/ wikis tend to attract heat for some reason. We need a neutrally hosted solution that won't banhammer the project if a karen complains. Wikia is right out.
I would recommend Usenet for long-term backup / archive sharing. Lifespan is measured in decades that way.

>>64034853
It slipped my mind that anyone would be concerned about that. It's such a non-issue. Worst case scenario, you just get the hosting suspended and that's it. My own reservations are just about life stability atm.

I compiled a list of infographs I didn't make to help get the wiki started out at least in terms of reference material. Note that some of these (old /bag/ and /gq/ armor guides) aged poorly.
https://imgur.com/a/k-infographic-reserve-AIKzwWF

>>64035898
good shit

>>64034597
I'm definitely not looking into xwiki this weekend, been sick as shit.

>>64038122
Sorry to hear, I'll keep compiling infographics so you have more of a launch pad when you're up for it.

>>64038122
np. Thoughts on Miraheze as an easy way to get started?

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>>64040321
Looks good.

>>63997505
Are you a twink?

>>64041439
what the hell is even that

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>>64040501
Somebody want to make the wiki request?

>>64041829
A lithe fag.

>>63997557
>newfag tourists don’t even own guns and aren’t American.
There are more European armed combat vets on here than there are Americans and the single biggest problem this board has is the remaining GWOT dicksuckers like this sad little faggot. Prepping to play mercenary their whole lives and lacking the balls to get blooded in Ukraine.

We shit on you all.

>>64040321
Looks easy, but not sure if they'll tolerate something 4chan related. Do you have any experience with them? The fact that they have to approve your wiki makes me think it's a waste of time. The modern internet is too censorious to trust something like that. They say they don't have ads to ensure their "editorial freedom," but all it would take would be a couple letters to their hosting providers (did you see this HORRIBLE wiki made by users of the 4chan? The supernazi incel terrorist site?) to get them to change their minds.

I was looking at wiki.js too, and that seems a bit simpler than xwiki. Is there anyone that's used either of them and wants to weigh in?

>>64045646
>but all it would take would be a couple letters to their hosting providers
You sadly raise an excellent point. Any cursory glance at the news will show that /k/, at large, is very closely intertwined (and is indeed a defendant in a related civil lawsuit) with the Buffalo shooting. The shooter was a frequent flier in /arg/, /gq/, and /bag/, although he was also a regular poster on various tactical subreddits like /r/qualitytacticalgear. He was a groomed-by-the-FBI ass though and nobody here or on reddit is at fault for his actions.
Nonetheless, we would need a hosting solution that can tolerate a less-than-sparkling clean community. We got baggage.

>>64045646
>Do you have any experience with them?
A long time ago.

>Looks easy, but not sure if they'll tolerate something 4chan related.
Their content policy is basically:
- don't violate US law
- don't spam porn
- don't spam bigotry
- wikis aren't just glorified filesharing sites

If we can't manage that, I'm not sure what we can manage. We're only interested in doing this because we're interested in the nerd side of things. The wiki wouldn't benefit at all from extending the toxic/bannable side of 4chan culture.

>>64045693
>Any cursory glance at the news will show that /k/, at large, is very closely intertwined (and is indeed a defendant in a related civil lawsuit) with the Buffalo shooting.
This is much more obscure information than you probably think.

>Nonetheless, we would need a hosting solution that can tolerate a less-than-sparkling clean community. We got baggage.
I mean, we're a hobby board. guns.fandom.com and various fandom military wikis still exist. /mu/ has a wiki on miraheze. It's not that difficult if we just accept that the wiki plays by different rules than the board.

>>64046311
Hopefully so. If the wiki gets cited by the next manchurian candidate then it's toast.
I say let's give Miraheze a shot. If they don't like our style try the others.

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>>64046334
Done.

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Auto-approved.
We are https://weapons.miraheze.org

>>64045646
>>64046311

/tg/ moved 1d4chan over to mirahaze, there was some controversy because they deleted a bunch of risque stuff (mostly porn), but i doubt that'd be much of a problem here.

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>>64046513
awesome sauce

Right then. What do you want to happen?

Basic order of things
1. Attempt to import the old wiki's XML?
2. Get people signed up
3. Get people some roles
4. Overhaul 1 or restart from scratch
5. Settle on a new outline like >>64004933.
6. Loot useful config stuff from 1d6chan and 4chanmu.

[1] might not work. Even if it does work, there are no images -- some will need to be manually replaced and the rest are lost media. And it requires [4] overhaul after that, to bring it in line with [6] what we think the new outline should be.

There won't be a better time than now to see what happens from importing the old wikidump, so I suppose I should try it. I'll wait 15-30 min for anyone to disagree.

Wiki URL is
https://weapons.miraheze.org
https://weapons.miraheze.org
https://weapons.miraheze.org

Archived pages of old wiki
https://web.archive.org/web/*/amagicalplace.fandom.com*

Wikidump of old wiki
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/63471461/#q63503633

>>64046609
>1. Attempt to import the old wiki's XML?
>[1] might not work.
It did not work.

>>64046661
It's over

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>>64046676
we're so back

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So now we have a bunch of pages. They're viewable here
https://weapons.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:AllPages

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As you can see, some of them are trash that shouldn't be allowed to live. The best bet would probably be to purge all of this test material and re-import underneath a page.

>>64046718
>SKSs for <$300
>Mosins for $150
Yeah, a lot of these are hilariously out of date and need a rewrite.

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>>64047184
>SKSs for <$300

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>>64047952
I know a guy, cope

>>64045165
Shut the fuck up eurotrash. Go die in a drone strike

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>>64046688
And it begins.

>>64048519
My dad managed to snag an M1 carbine for $300 a couple years ago, but I'm not listing them in the poorfag gun article.

Alright guys I made a category.
https://weapons.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Armor_Plates

>>64049803
Note that my choices to remove the old pages are either to nuke whole namespaces or to delete every page one at a time, so if we want to clean up the old crap then we'll need to remake your new page.

I can do it ASAP since you're already editing. Or we can leave the old crap.

>captcha WHYDK

>>64052758
I'd say leave the old crap and fix it as we go

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>>64052966
Hmm. If I told you that 756 pages were imported and most are wiki-kludge that we need to get rid of, does that sway your opinion at all? Categories configured by Wikia/Fandom, broken Templates, old IP Users who don't exist now, Files we would have to painstakingly replace one by one from archive.org, and so forth. This all exists to support maybe 5-10 content pages we would realistically keep.

Miraheze turns out not to have the more nuanced extension available that allows for bulk deletions, so we can only clean this up decisively on the following page, or one by one. Doing it by hand will fucking suck so much it's unreal.

I'm just worried about starting us off with so much wiki-debt that we're too bogged down to edit. I can give you Bureaucrat and access to everything I have access to, but you will have the same problem.

The pages include gems like https://weapons.miraheze.org/wiki/Template:(

You can see the meta-structure of how it was supposed to work on Fandom by entering via this page:
https://weapons.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Browse

It's not the worst arrangement in the world, but I reiterate that it's completely broken.

>>64053354
Wait, I'm a huge idiot. The imported pages aren't "recent" by their creation date, so I can't even use Special:Nuke on them. Maybe we're stuck with them?

>>64053354
That could be a problem then. What's the harm though if we just don't link to them? Clogged up search results?

>>64053468
Just made the classic mistake of drafting a huge reply in the box and then losing it to a browser crash. Rip

>What's the harm though if we just don't link to them?
I think you can see the consequences of our exact situation pretty clearly if you look at /mu/'s imported wiki. They kept the old Fandom structure without either using it or fixing it.

https://4chanmusic.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Browse

▶OUR WIKI

I need to provide a list of pages from the old wiki, copypasted from the Import job log. I will do that sometime soon.

▶CATEGORIES

There are 34 categories. Whether we ought to kill these generally corresponds to whether their members are trash.

▶FILE

There are 112 file pages. These were not properly transcluded under
https://weapons.miraheze.org/wiki/Category:Files

Many are mystery-meat like
https://weapons.miraheze.org/wiki/File:1351549845162.jpg

▶FORUM

Fandom-specific garbage

▶PROJECT

There are 11 Project pages. These are meta-pages. TLDR is I have to check them against a clean wiki to see which ones we're required to keep.

▶TALK

There are 362 talk pages. The overwhelming majority of these are empty, auto-created pages of no use to us. Old talk page comments were imported in a way that's useless for the Discussion tab, as individual pages like this:

Talk:Sticky/@comment-129.0.207.244-20200428070248

▶TEMPLATES

There are 132 templates. Most of these are simple, universal ones for page editing, so visual inspection is enough to tell whether they're broken. There is at least one template, a Lore infobox, that needs to be checked out for preservation.

▶USER

There are 53 user pages. Idk what to do with these.

>>64053966
Is there some kind of global css that's getting messed with? Pages look different now.

Overall, my strong sense is that we need to start hacking and slashing away at old shit, while housing new content in as few new articles as possible. We don't want to lose new stuff while managing old stuff.

So basically,

Create a single page for the wiki migration shit.

Fuck categories for now, use a single long article as if it's the contents of a category.

Identify articles we're interested in keeping from the old wiki, so we can look at their content and (1) see what they use for dependencies, like files and templates and (2) fix them and merge them into simpler structures.

<Any other ideas you have for rapidly moving past the suck phase of this>

>>64054003
I switched the default skin to Vector (legacy) because it's less likely to run into problems with decade+ old pages that are already known to have some breakage. You can manage your preferred skin on your meta/global settings.

Imported pages here
https://weapons.miraheze.org/wiki/Imported_Pages

Exactly how it appeared in the job log here
https://weapons.miraheze.org/wiki/Imported_Pages?oldid=2213

It looks like they struggled with using "/k/" in the title of pages on the old wiki. For MediaWiki reasons, the simplest and most reliable solution is simply to omit the slashes from the URLs in the future. It's a lot less complicated than the workarounds.

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>>64054197
The list of imported pages is now sorted and broken out by namespace.

Pic unrel: our first vandalism <3

>>64054298
I'm pretty sure that was a duplicate page? there is another one called /k/ approved games that was up at the same time with a lower case k

>>64054877
Yes, it was created as a joke in 2017. The page never had vidya on it.

up

What next? Are we gonna be making wiki threads for wiki shit?

>>64059037
I'd be down for a /wkg/ wiki general.

I still need to give at least one other person Bureaucrat or Admin before this thread is out, for bootstrapping's sake. Garlic-san, you down?

>>64060800
Sure, why not! I'll be busy the next couple weeks but can contribute some pages and what not when I get an opening.

>>64061893
List for me to look at.
https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/User_groups#Local_groups

>>63997608
Markets depressed right now for quite a few things, if you want a modern striker fired handgun with a double stack magazine you can buy one for under 150 dollars if you look around and are aware. There is an absolute glut of low end shotguns mixed in with some higher end stuff that nobody is buying atm. Milsurp has gone crazy but AR15s are so damn cheap now you can build one out for literally nothing. In all due time things will shift and there will be new value and overpriced crap on the market. Same as it ever was.

Older boomers and silents have slowly started to trade or dump their excess guns onto the market in a short few years every single pre-AWB firearm will be on the market and the prices are likely to go down.

>>64062886
>in a short few years every single pre-AWB firearm will be on the market
many of their owners will literally die before lowering prices

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>>64064734
and their anti-gun descendants will give them to the cops for a $50 gift card to Chili's while their seven year old kid is already pounding Adderall and watching skibidi rizzler omega ohio on their ipad at the chili's table.

>>64064742
>skibidi rizzler omega ohio
worst one in the series. kid has horrible taste

>>64066944
Yeah he spilled his coke all over his dad's well done butterflyed burger with cheese sauce and no lettuce, then started pounding a party bag of the purple skittles while the dad negotiated with the waiter for water with lemon cuz his discover card declined.
The new gen's fucked.

sad

Have a bump for a great thread. Good to have the wiki back.

>>64071264
Yep. My plan is to hit LAMs / dazzlers next. I think anons will greatly benefit from incorporating the latter.

I'm following this closely, i'm holding off doing anything until it gets fleshed out/filled in a bit more and i can educate myself more about the format.

I will wait until it is more established before i do some mind numbing autism like a dozen pages of text solely dealing with village level WPK Guard organizational structures or other such Norktardation.

>>64073193
I'll handle armor, LAMs, and some other stuff. I'll join you in the autism quest with specific soft armor fibers, kinds of spectra, kevlar, dyneema, even zylon. I've been going through 25 year old forum posts and got intrigued on the old ways. We got an unlimited autism budget.

>>64073193
There's a visual editor.

>>64075624
>>64073235
Normally i take up projects like this in the fall or winter, i'm a bit busy this time of year. I'll use rainy days to find 'wiki for dummies' or some such resource so i can avoid any retarded boomer adjacent old man mistakes.

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>17 days ago
Keep the thread and the wiki going, got some beers if it helps

bring it up up up

>>64077112
At this point, I forget what the original image was.

>>64080976
I'll try and contribute some more armor autism soonish and dazzler info, been busy lately.

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>>64080976
Yuuri from Girls Last Tour drawn as the Ted Kaczynski sketch. Specifically after he bombed the computer store or something

>>64081045
I meant the original zergface

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>>64082996
Chinese or Korean war drama. Tp what I remember the show is popular in whichever country it came from

He's the main character or something

bring it up one cmore

>>64083128
We should add the /k/lassic memes to the wiki

>>64087589
yes I agree

Does anyone have IVAN APPROVES? It's the only top repost with its file missing from desuarchive.
https://desuarchive.org/k/search/image/b-WZ6h2B-IdAbfJbyEdL-g/

>>64087768
Ivan was around as recently as the 20 years thread

>>64087589
Double agree

>>64093849
>1get was wasted on this literal who

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>>64087634
>>64087589
>>64091942

Triple agree, he is such a handsome fellow he makes all the Choson Ladies blush.

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>>64096772
>OH I FOUND MEH A WAR CRIME!

>>64096772
Norktard edits wikifeet articles of all the Kim women

>>64045165
Why aren't you joining them then? Coward?
The Ukrainians need every able-bodied EVROPEAN they can get. You're really just gonna stand by and let the nazis win? Not a very EVROPEAN thing to do. C'mon, sitting there stealing the valor of an entire nation at war so you don't have to is what the Americans (grrrrrrr!) do, you aren't like them, right?
Any EVROPEAN that uses the bravery and suffering of the Ukrainian people they themselves looked down on without having the Ukrianian miliary contracts to back themselves up is just a sad larper. The closest you've been to war was that one time you accidentally raised your voice to the cashier at Lidl and got a weird look.

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>>64099612
My boy really replied to an 11 day old post.

>>64080984
Added some new pages as per this post. A couple new plate pages and one for the LA-12 GLIS, starting off our laser dazzler adventure.

>>64099612
already did

>>64100145
gj

>>64105156
Thanks, I'm gonna try to add a few pages at a time. Taking suggestions but I can't guarantee when I'll get to them.

>>64105252
highcom

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>>64107996
Single strike four-sus-4 0101.04 cert.

>>64107996
Cruel

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>>64097369
In defense of the of the DPRK, more people are friends with the DPRK out of choice than are friends by choice with Serbia.

Not to mention the DPRK sells better weapons than Serbia.

>>63997505
The mods got rid of it because it mentioned that discussions about gun control laws are part of /k/.

>>64114094
I'd rather deal with Highcom than Botach

>>64114523
Nobody is friends with anyone in the Balkans. I wouldn't know, because I am not from the Balkans

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>>64114572
*squints really hard*

OK, you can stay. You are fun and not entirely retarded.

Sound track, Mongolian frens:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4xZUr0BEfE&list=RDv4xZUr0BEfE&start_radio=1

>>64114644
Don't know if not being from the Balkans or saying nobody is friends in the Balkans made me pass the vibe check.

Still passed it though

>>64114662
You passed my completely arbitrary test of people i like: Having a conversation with me.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NjkcjueR4k&list=RD2NjkcjueR4k&start_radio=1

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>>64114662
>>64114688
Based frenposting. Have an infographic.

>>64114697
Attention to detail!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUf3tqT4IDY&list=RDqUf3tqT4IDY&start_radio=1

Learn those systems!

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>>64114712
They are blinding!

>>64064742
honestly probably not. the estate sale companies will get them and then it will go through the normal channels. all the preban stuff is also about 10-20 years before it is uninteresting too. lots of value to be had.

>>64114644
>explicit
not yet

zco.world is a good wiki addition

>>64114867
>all the preban stuff is also about 10-20 years before it is uninteresting too.
We can hope / cope.

>>64118119
Maybe the anon behind it can add optics stuff

>>64114697
text is hard to read on this one

>>64124375
Mobile? Try viewing separate tab.

>>64126361
it's the purple. hard to read

>>64129539
Ah I see. I'll change it to red when I get a chance.

>>64129561
sweet

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Thread's been going for 1 month now

lez go

>>64007762
trvke

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>>64132019
Quick and dirty vaporwave color edit. Let me know if this is easier to read.

Up

>>63997883
My personal list id recommend
Cheap - Ontario Rat 1 or 2 in D2, Buck 110 or 112 Slim Select, Kabar Dozier in D2
Mid Tier - Buck 110 or 112 Ranger Pro, Cold Steel American Lawman (Ebay has deals)
High Tier - Spyderco PM2, Ritter Hogue RSK/Benchmade Griptillian (same design different manufacturer), Benchmade Bugout
Gucci Tier - Hinderer XM-18, Chris Reeves Sebenza, Les George VCEP
Cheap fixed - Morakniv Companion
Mid Tier Fixed - Esee 4 or 5, Kabar Becker BK-2, Morakniv Garberg
High Tier - Lol, why spend this much on a knife you will probably trash, but ok Fallkniven or something
Gucci Tier - Custom handmade

>>64134722
better

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I salute everyone who has bumped this thread

Over 1 month lez go

>>63997557
>Also a lot of these newfag tourists don’t even own guns and aren’t American.
This. Ukraine/Israel war threads should be banned from /k/ for this reason alone so these faggots can go to /pol/ where they belong

bump

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Alright, I got us started on Highcom at least with a general overview, links to the 4SAS4 debacle threads, and a page on the 4S17M.

>>63997883
>it affected other boards like /lit/ too
what the fuck, i may make fun of /lit/ but their guides were good

2006
https://old.sage.moe/k/search/order/asc/

>>64142668
>https://old.sage.moe/k/search/order/asc/
Damn I didn't even know we had an archive that went back this far. Thanks!

>>64142453
we need a retvrn to embedding a book in every uploaded jpg

>>64141679
Do-nothing crybabies are worse than warposters

>>64147318
I'm a do-something, I derail warposters in shitass threads and advocate for them being IP banned

>>64147865
every ban is an IP ban, retard-kun

>>64141679
>ban the shit faggot takes so that only the good half decent takes remain
based /k/ranny, only allow russian/hamas kino so that the jidf/jeet SHILLS from /pol/ stay losing where they dont belong either, against the eternal basedtide

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bring em up

>>63997608
>until retailers suffer for their price gouging.

wat? guns are about as cheap as they've ever been

>>64008086
more like you cant call a spade a spade

>>64045165
>I'm a faggot
FTFY

>>63997505
Just get an M&P handgun and AR in .308 (Ruger SFAR)

There I saved you a decade of buying and selling guns before settling on the best setup.

>>64154280
okay now do accessories, vest, helmet, and plates

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>>63997505
>Old /k/ is gone man. I'll be outside. Good luck!

>>64155099
>not the cheems version

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I was reading through the old archive to see some period accurate Dragonskin discussion. Good lord people bought that shit hook line and sinker:
>It seems to me that Dragonskin is superior in virtually every way save for cost and weight. How much of a weight difference are we talking about here?
>Once u add the plates, the total weight is similar between the two numerical wise and this is where dragonskin seems to be more attractive from my point of view since unlike insert plates the dragonskin doesn't seems to be losing integrity after being hit in one location. Whereas insert plates loses their protective attribute after 1 or 2 hit in the same plate.
And my favorite.
>Dragonskin.Impeccable defense. This system allows for full coverage of the torso(minus shoulders/armpits, naturally from 7.62x39mm rounds. It is flexible and(manufacturer claim) may be worn closer to the skin, allowing a greater degree of free movement than Interceptor.

>60% failure rate upon exposure to gasoline in the DOD testing
>Impeccable defense

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staying alive
staying alive

>>64114525
The mods are fags who play politics, powertrip and cater to redditors. They have only made this place worse.

>>64160864
Radovan I went to Greece and shit my pants. Am I Croatian?

>>64162754
>I went to Greece
right
>and shit my pants
right
>Am I Croatian?
Depends if being in Greece made you shit your pants because of excitement or devastation

>>64158870
It sounds like you just don't want the best for our troops. Why do you hate freedom?

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>>64164007
I do not want the "freedom" of us having to shell out $6,000 a man just to have his armor fall apart when exposed to gasoline brudder
If dragonskin was good it would have been adopted in the 90s when it was first made brudder. Gobbless.

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Festive kebab removers.

Thread won't die yet

>>63997557
>The guides became irrelevant when prices changed and new models came out.

Yeah, my gun collection would look a lot different if a Mosin could be had for under $200 USD. The meta now is just buy the highest rated AR-15 in your budget or print the lower. Seriously, AR-15s are the only thing in my web of interests getting cheaper.

>>64166741
Meta gun:
>AR
>Oneleaf thermal
>Offset red dot
>Holosun IRIS
>FRT and 40 round PMAGs

>>64166815
just werks

>>64166819
The Oneleaf thermal mogs all.

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>>64166741
>Mosin could be had for under $200 USD
we all know the fair price for Mosins are 6k+, fudds know what they have

>>64165008
luv it or leave it innit

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we still ain't letting it go

>>64114525
Why would the mods have any authority over the wiki?

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>How bout dat pricks face when he saw a 40 day thread?

Gonna try and bust out some more pages this weekend.

>>64172437
Why would they allow trolling, bots, spam and off topic garbage yet immediately remove and ban anything that is remotely construed as pro-Russian? Especially considering they're the ones allowing the circlejerk war threads that have nothing to do with weapons.

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>>64176083
Take your persecution complex back to >>>/pol/. Ziggers get banned because for three and a half years now they have proven completely incapable of acting like normal people and not shitting the place up with r*dditjaks, cuck porn, gay porn, interracial cuck porn, and child porn.

>>64176083
the wiki has nothing to do with them

>>64176390
Why don't you fuck off to reddit you disgusting tranny freak.
And stay the hell away from kids you sick bastard.

We need more editahs

>>64004814
The elder shitposters are still here - we just have kids and mortgages to worry about.

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Arkan's wedding cus we need it back up

This wiki is what all true autists strive for.

>>64183658
We'll get there

Up

>>64189417
we better

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Bring it uppers

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>>64017728
>https://files.catbox.moe/k64dnw.txt
The Tails Gets Trolled torrent has been stalled for 25 days.
I was kind of looking forward to rereading it.

>It's only Tuesday so that could be a longshot.

If only they knew how long the thread would last

So I added two more pages on Highcom stuff.

Obsolete when PSA made the AR-15 affordable to stop gun control

Just get a daily deal already

>>64176390
3.5 years
New fag they have been shitting up this board for a decade