Got me a sweet filly to super safterize, if you know what I mean, right /k/bois? Howabouts would a nice bearded gentleman like myself go ahoots of this? -editionNews:>Atrius did round 2 of orders for the Super SelektorsIs it legal? Yes! Unless you live in a cuck state.https://www.atf.gov/firearms/rare-breed-triggers’-frt-15s-and-wide-open-triggers-wots-returnDistributors:https://www.activesafetydesigns.comhttps://atrius.devhttps://deeznutztactical.comhttps://www.deltateamtactical.comhttps://www.fittyactual.comhttps://greymarketresearch.nethttps://hoffmantactical.comhttps://rarebreedtriggers.comhttps://redactedarmsllc.comhttps://www.tacswap.comYou've heard of FRTs, but what's a "super safety"?>like an FRT, but a different mechanism (the safety)>cheaper than an FRT>$90-$120 for full drop-in kit>3D printable or CNC (recommend stainless/4140)>most are 3 position cross-bolt safety>left is safe, right is semi, middle is fully semi-automic>Atrius now shipping the only super safety that operates like a normal AR safety selectorHow it works:https://youtu.be/KIxsnh2fFTo [Embed] [Embed]To make an AR-15 super safe you'll need:>M16 style/"full auto" bolt carrier group>H3 or H2 buffer weight (will do 600-750 rpm of 5.56)>"low shelf" lower receiver>SS>any AR trigger so long as you give it an SS cutLast thread: >>64027045
I'd slap my willy in that filly, if you know what I mean, samefag.kun
yeah im probably going to quit my job soon to just work on my FRT projects. fuck a paycheck, i need to gamble on patents!seeing the 10/22 frt that looks exactly like the one i was working on makes me know for a fact its all a race to be first.
>>64092475Have ya'll seen the FRT for the M&P 2.0? Urban youth might finally choose something different than a Glock.
Finally bought a deez nuts SS, time to wait. Too bad no ranges nearby allow me to even use em though
>>64092711Looks pretty slick honestly. Might make me buy one
>>64092835If they made one for the Ruger RXM, then maybe the pistol chassis that are coming up to compete with the SIG Flux will actually be good.
>>64092520Hey, sorry for making this a separate post rather than combining it with >>64092854, but let me tell you that you could make a ton of money if you were the first to make an FRT for the Ruger RXM, SIG P320, and SIG P365. Just any pistol that has a chassis on the market to stabilize it.
Where to get the aluminum glock trigger that works with frts?
>>64092864>SIG P320, and SIG P365if a p320 frt existed, hypothetically, would the market still exist after the P320/M17 debacle?in my opinion the existence of a p320 FRT would sort of self justify the P320 even with its faults. maybe even justify an improved trigger mechanism.people are trying to dump their p320's or just put them in the safe. would an FRT make people regain interest?
>>64093011>would the market still exist after the P320/M17 debacle?Yes, there are more people who trust the gun as opposed to those who distrust the gun. Only some gun enthusiasts are looking elsewhere. Most average people think that "if it is good enough for the military and law enforcement, then it's good enough for me,">people are trying to dump their p320's or just put them in the safe. would an FRT make people regain interest?Those who lost trust will not regain trust but many people have not lost trust. Keep in mind that the SIG P320 has been the best-selling duty-size gun on the market for multiple years, and the P365 was the best-selling CC gun for multiple years as well.Do I like the gun? No. Will you make bank by inventing an FRT for them? I believe so.
Anyone ever use those services that print/mill shit for you? Thinking about using them to get hoffman SS since I dont my my own printer
>>64092520Literally same,Link for 10/22 frthttps://advancedresettech.com/10-22-basic-tune-up-kit-with-5-active-reset-levers/
>>64093011>>64092520Apparently the current Glock FRT is garbage. You could probably try and design one that works in their flux as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoHLu-F1vz8
>>64095505Already did-SELECTHEIGHTACTIVERESETTRIGGER -Steel shoe/4 select height trips for easy tuning across full size or slim Glock style models.At most you will need to polish your safety plunger, reduce plunger spring weight, add a 3.5 connector and cut off the reset tab. (Or grab a "section8" from Pembleton & Sons) Most slim models will run stock, no mods necessary (g43, micro dagger, etc.) Helps to polish all steel friction points and Diddy party lubricate.semobows at gee-mail for inquiries, no commies
>>64092772Load only two rounds and see if anyone notices.
Which one of you faggots is going to make a FRT for my marlin 60? I need to spend twice the time at the range reloading that old workhorse.
>>64092772Just black shoe polish your face go try it out on a saturday night at your local ghetto.
>>64096401Let your dad get fucked by me and I will. You aren't allowed to suck out the creampie though from his asshole, sorry. Your mom has dibs.
>>64093011I have a flux raider, I would 1000% buy a FRT for it and my 365 raider
>>64092475>the backwards fucking scopeHoly shit lol. Also, $250 SKS? Fuck me, would buy in an instant; I have a spare stock. Also looks like a K-Sports stock; take good care of it as they're hard models/stocks to find IIRC. Some fucking retard did paint it a tanner green, though.
>>64092475One with a barrel length closer to yours.
>>64092475Also might want to check this out. Don't have one but it copies the AC-556 folder and having a Samson myself, fuck is that a nice stock. Wouldn't mind having a 10/22 version, Mini-14 version, M1 carbine version*, SKS version (yt link), and more. *Theoretically possible as M1 -> 10/22 stock conversions are easy enough and used to be somewhat common among DIYers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGX8mHdsyfI
>>64097087This looks so fucking stupid.
>>64097087Wow I thought Flux only had that shitty folding stock. This kinda makes me want one now
Can anyone confirm if https://www.freedomfingertriggers.com/ is gtg?
Atrius replacement lever took a little over a week to arrive. Shows out for delivery today. Hopefully I can get it in and running and get back to some testing tomorrow.
>>64093506why not buy one made out of actual metal from the multitude of vendors who make them?
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Replacement Atrius Selektor came. Arrived reasonably quick about a week after I emailed them. This will be my third lever from them. First one got fucked pretty quick by my home 80% lower plus other tolerance stacking. Second one made it 1100 rounds before snapping. This one I already reprofiled per this video:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2PO44uzhyUFunction checks well, nice now that I can safe the lever with the bolt locked to the rear, previous levers I couldn't do that with probably because of the interfetterence as described in that youtube video. Here is to hoping! Going to run it tomorrow!
Super safety cycles normally when I cycle it by hand, but when I actually shoot it I get one shot off and round is cycled into the chamber but the trigger is dead. I can't tell if it's hammer follow or bolt bounce. I'm waiting on an H3 buffer. Anything else I can troubleshoot in the meantime?
>>64100874Trigger is dead and hammer is forward? Inspect primer what does it look like. Most likely bolt bounce induced light primer strike. Pretty common. H2 or H3 should solve it.
RAREBREED RANGE (actually federal land because no ranges near me allow full auto/rapid fire) REPORT:Near flawless operation. I had a milspec trigger in my AR before and I noticed no difference with the FRT in semiauto mode. Not a match trigger by any standards but perfectly serviceable. In FRT it just RUNS. It's a VERY close experience to full auto.I thought there would be noticable slap but so long as you keep steady even pressure on the trigger you don't even really feel the reset. It's pretty retard proof and it's shockingly easy to shoot in 3-5 round bursts (or i guess rapid groups?) just like with a full auto rifle. I put 300 rounds through the gun fast and didn't have a single malfunction. One thing I noticed is that cyclic rate appears to be set by how hot your ammo is. M855 and M193 both ran dedently fast but still controllable, I'd guess 700-800rpm. It felt like a similiar speed to post-sample FA ARs I've fired before. I had some shitty underloaded Maxx steelcase .223 and that ran significantly slower, like 400-500rpm. Also your rifle gets HOT FAST when shooting in FRT mode. I know this seems obvious but I didn't really think about it and nearly burnt my hand after a magdump. Also you probably want a heavier barrel if you're going to be using using FRT frequently. Also a stout recoil spring and a heavy buffer is a must. All in all, pretty satisfied. Is it worth 500 burger bucks? Not 100% sure yet, I'll have to see how it preforms long term, but from initial experience imleaning towards yes.
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>>64100949Thanks for the update anon but think 500 is a shit ton
>>64100949what FRT triggers from rarebreed have a semi auto function? The older one i bought with a complete lower for 400 bucks only has safe and FRT
>>64097323the 365 flux only has a folder but the p320 flux always had the cool spring-loaded one
>>64102488>but think 500 is a shit tonpeople pay +1k just for a heavy tube that makes your gun slightly less loud.oh, and the only legal alternative is 100x the price.
>>64102505>$50kNTA but anon I don't even think M16 lowers go for that much. And if we're talking other than AR, STENs aren't as cheap as they were but I can't see them outside the $20k route.>$1k+ for silencerMaybe for anything other than 22LR/22M/17/5.7? Rugged Obsidian 9 with current NFA tax would be like $850, maybe $900. Not too familiar with 5.56, etc. However you are right, even as expensive as it is, it's still a fuckload cheaper than the alternative.
>>64100949>One thing I noticed is that cyclic rate appears to be set by how hot your ammo is. Yup this is what machine gun guys have been dealing with and understanding for a while now. What is your complete setup that you're running it on? Barrel and port and gas system length, can or no can, spring and buffe weight etc?
>>64102666>$20k route*$20k range. Idk what the fuck my mind was thinking of.
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>>64092520Don’t quit your day job
>>64093868>10/22 frt>https://advancedresettech.com/10-22-basic-tuneThis is interesting, a 5 pack for rifles/Charger, or consumable pos requiring short term maintenance and replacement?
>>64102505or you just get a super safety kit for a hundred bucks
>>64097148For the money, could have been a "xxx" >uzi or?
>>64100874>Anything else I can troubleshoot in the meantime?I would work on reducing personal debt, stocking up the pantry, having dental work caught up and calling your mother.
>>64093868>>64102815As much as I want an FRT 10/22, how on earth are they charging $100 for five slivers of 3D printed carbon fiber nylon? Please don't get scammed by this.
>>64102872>$20/eaComonman. I shit more than $20 a day.
>>64102872I just get a 404 lol. Also,>carbon fiber filament>wear part (?)Ooh, enjoy your lung cancer.
ARC MPX and MP5 footagehttps://x.com/s3igu2/status/1954256890516340975#m
>>64102872>>64102815Got a friend that just printed them out and is trying it. Manual action seems to work, but apparently theres a bit too much drag on the bolt. Hes looking to pick up some extra power 10/22 springs. Also each print is .02 worth of material.
>>64103117Did he polish the bolt? I haven't followed the design source, but since it looks 2D he could likely get some cut in metal by SendCutSend for cheap.
>>64103117I ain't >>64103247 but anon has a good point. Polish the underside of the bolt with some high grit sandpaper (~1k). Maybe consider doing what a lot of 10/22 autists do and radius the back end of the bolt a little (and polish) to make it come over that hammer a little nicer. And maybe polish the top of the bolt too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2wHMmatJK8 as well as that little nub under the hammer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foi_SzV8qUY which will all make the 10/22 run a lot nicer even with all factory parts. I'm lucky and haven't had to do it with mine I use to hunt (yet) but it would likely help them run a lot smoother. Frankly it won't hurt anything so I probably should before Fall comes....Also, wouldn't extra power springs make the drag problem worse? Lol.
>>64100949Bought two.Put one in my 300 blk range toy I'm gonna test it with subsonic rounds and a can. The other Im hesitant to put on my 5.56 AR as that is my dependable rifle for shtf
>>64100949>Also your rifle gets HOT FAST when shooting in FRT mode.thats why you buy a silly meme upper
>>64103061
ARC AR-15 footage
Just got back from an unfortunately quick range trip. Third Atrius Selektor broke on me, less than 100 rounds. I'm pretty confident I'm breaking them because I'm pulling the trigger to strongly to the rear, and the gun/action is set up with more than enough gas. Stuck between a rock and a hard place, lots of action/reciprocating energy, and my pinning the trigger to the rear, the levers are giving out. I was trying to do some quantitative studies of forced reset strings of fire accuracy/time as compared to semi auto strings of fire, and in doing so I found myself strongly gripping the gun, and trigger as well. I think this is what has broken my last two Atrius levers. I don't know for sure, but I imagine harder steel perhaps tool steel, and an improved lever design with additional structural integrity could solve the issue. I'm curious about buying a Raregreed FRT15L3 now in hopes that the cassette style design has more mechanical advantage over the trigger finger, as well as less stress induced to the mechanism and or a different design geometrically/metallurgically such that breakages are less likely to happen. >>64100949Have you tried forcibly pinning the trigger to the rear and seeing how it functions under lots of trigger finger pressure? Have you inspected the mechanism of the RBT FRT and can you speak to any comparison to "long" lever type super safeties like traditional SS, Atrius, or ARC-Fire?I ask because I've now snapped my third Atrius lever, and the most recent two to break I'm pretty sure I broke by combing a strongly gassed gun with H3 buffer with my cranking down and holding the trigger to the rear. The action tries to force the reset but I'm holding the trigger strongly enough that the Atrius lever just gives out instead. Do you think the Rarebreed FRT would do a better job of working with a strongly held to the rear trigger?>>64103410>>64100949How quick did y'all get order confirmation, tracking numbers, then receive your RBT FRT15L3?
Looks like the mp5 market is getting cornered fairly rapidly
>>64104087Took me about a week, they delivered in the morning right after I put in my order the evening before.Im not a fan of the threaded rods and tiny screws they use for retaining pins tho, I think its a failure point imo.
>>64104087Also just from the images of a super safety and having installed an RB I think the RB all in one cassette is more strudy.Apparently there's better built ones than the rb though.
>>64104395Do you have yours? Can you post pics of the inside of the mechanism? I wish I could see how the BCG forces the reset of the trigger.
>>64104395>from the images of a super safety and having installed an RB I think the RB all in one cassette is more strudywhat are you talking about, that's not true at all. SS is a significantly more mechanically robust design.
>>64104087>The action tries to force the reset but I'm holding the trigger strongly enough that the Atrius lever just gives out instead.That's not how it works, the whole point of forced reset is that the mechanism forces your finger forward. It sounds like you have some combination of parts that isn't playing nicely with the atrius selector. The atrius selector itself is also just a very fragile design and I get the feeling isn't actually 100% compatible with all AR configurations.
>>64104465Bruh...Yes the whole point of forced reset is that the mechanism forces your finger forward, but if you force your finger rearward with force greater than the force forcing your finger forward, guess what happens, your finger doesn't get forced forward. The mysterious "mechanism" simply transfers the rearward force (and actually siphons off a little energy-momentum) of the reciprocating assembly through the super lever (Atrius or other) to your trigger finger via the rear of the hammer bar. If the super lever has a yield strength that is BOTH less than the strength with which you're pinning the trigger to the rear, and less than the strength of the rearward reciprocating action, modulo leverage factors, the lever will break/bend/snap, and your finger won't get forced forward but the action will cycle. This is what I'm experiencing, I'm pretty sure. >very fragile designIDK about "very" but clearly it is weaker than BOTH my trigger finger AND the reciprocating action of my setup, modulo once again mechanical advantage leverage factors. >isn't actually 100% compatibleYeah I mean a lot of these systems as of now need some fitting and tuning. >>64104451>mechanically robusI need to see a cutaway of a three position RBT FT15L3 and I want to see what moment arms we're working with. The lever based super safeties like the Atrius and trad SS levers, while not "bad" per se, do make use of relatively long moment arms.
Does RB ever have sales or coupon codes?
>>64104504you're missing the point, the atrius is an extremely delicate design which is breaking under what should be normal use. You should be able to squeeze the trigger as hard as you want without damaging the mechanism. It's easier to do with an FRT (squeeze it so hard that it fails to reset the trigger) but is also possible if you squeeze very hard on an SS. In either case the lever isn't permanently damaged. The atrius design just doesn't have enough material and isn't a good design apart from being a range toy. The lever of a SS while longer than the lever of an FRT is thick enough to stand up to actual use, especially using an appropriate material like tool steel.
>>64104550>extremely delicate designCan you back up this purely qualitative statement? >You should be able to squeeze the trigger as hard as you want without damaging the mechanismI agree 100%> The lever of a SS while longer than the lever of an FRT is thick enough to stand up to actual use, especially using an appropriate material like tool steel.Okay couple of things, have you looked inside or seen a good cross section of the three position cassette style FRT? Is the lever shorter? I believe for original two position cassette FRT designs the lever which forced the reset was in fact just the hammer itself, so big chonking piece of steel. I do agree that the Atrius lever needs to be improved on, precisely in the area of strength, by way of a combination of material and geometry. >range toyIMO at this point ALL of the FRT/SS are still range toys.
>>64104575>Can you back up this purely qualitative statement?yes I have eyeballs and can read the product description, plus the fact you have personally broken like 3 now, and others online have had similar issues. The lever is physically too flimsy a profile. It would maybe work with tool steel rather than 4140 but even so really needs more material for longevity.>have you looked inside or seen a good cross sectionyou don't need a cross section, the lever is exposed for all to see. You'll notice the lever has a significantly shorter moment arm as well as basically the opposite sectional profile, being thickest in the direction is rotates.
>>64104602> The lever is physically too flimsy a profile. It would maybe work with tool steel rather than 4140 but even so really needs more material for longevity.I agree>lever is exposed for all to seeI can't tell which lever is forcing the reset, I can't tell about which axis it is rotating, and I get see where it is interacting with the BCG nor the trigger. Can you highlight please?I know the small lever on the top left which rotate about the medium sized pin to the right of the smallest pin is the lever which rotated clockwise from our perspective looking at this picture when the BCG goes all the way forward, and in rotating clockwise I believe it is then out of the way of the the rear of the trigger bar which can then move upwards (clockwise rotation as viewed from the perspective of this image) as the finer pulls the trigger. What FRT SS products have you experience with? What have you experienced when trying to pin the trigger to the rear?
>>64104575>original two position cassette FRT designs the lever which forced the reset was in fact just the hammer itselfCan confirmOG FRT has back of hammer hit bulge on trigger that makes the trigger catch on the sear(?) which is released and allowed to pull the trigger if it's still got finger pressure on it when the bcg goes forwards.I am curious how the L3 differs. I've been wanting to get one for a while now. Echoing >>64104542, does Rarebreed ever have discounts of any kind to wait for or am I good to buy right now?
I've read many people say that FRTs and SS are not recommended for direct blowback guns like AR9's and the PS90. The reason I'm always given is out of batteries. More than a few people I know have claimed OoB with their direct blowback AR9.Considering SS and FRTs utilize the sear trip, how does this happen besides bolt bounce? If it is bolt bounce, then why do those same guns work with full auto sears and triggers? Hell, the PS90 has a "safety sear" that would in theory prevent that, no?I'm not doubting that OoB happens with direct blowback weapons, but what is it about FRTs that cause that vs an auto sear with an auto hammer?
>>64102488Part of the reason I bit the bullet and bought it, so other anons could see if it was worth it. >>64102490The ones they sell right now on the Rarebreed website are 3 position. I think they're the ones they seized from Delta Team Tactical. >>6410266720in barrel with milspec non-adjustable rifle length gas and 5oz rifle buffer. A2 stock and buffer tube length with milspec spring. No can (yet). >>64103410Keep us posted on how it preforms
Cont. from >>64104874>>64104087>Have you tried forcibly pinning the trigger to the rearI would need to do some more testing to see if "pulling trigger too hard" is a failure mode but from initial impressions that seems like it would be very hard to do with the RB FRT. Especially so if you have a heavy buffer and stout recoil spring. The reset is so quick and short that it's hard to even notice and I think unless you were literally ziptying the trigger down it would be hard to induce failure that way.>Have you inspected the mechanism of the RBT FRT and can you speak to any comparison to "long" lever type super safetiesNo. I have no experience with long lever Super Safeties or derivatives yet.>I ask because I've now snapped my third Atrius lever, and the most recent two to break I'm pretty sure I broke by combing a strongly gassed gun with H3 buffer with my cranking down and holding the trigger to the rear. The action tries to force the reset but I'm holding the trigger strongly enough that the Atrius lever just gives out instead.>Do you think the Rarebreed FRT would do a better job of working with a strongly held to the rear trigger?The "sear" (reset lever? Whatever they're calling this) on the RB FRT is very squat and stout. Pic related. I'm not an engineer but I think you would be hard pressed to break this by riding the trigger too hard. Even if you somehow squeezed hard enough to induce a malfunction I think it would just stop the buffer and cause a failure to feed. The "flimsiness" of the Super Safety lever is, I think, one of its unfortunate drawbacks but hopefully some smart anons find a workaround for that soon. I know some really smart people are working in the FRT/SS space right now so I'm excited to see what people dream up.
cont from >>64104885>>64104087>How quick did y'all get order confirmation, tracking numbers, then receive your RBT FRT15L3?Ordered on Friday, label printed on Monday, shipped Tuesday, received package Friday.
>>64104874>>64104885>>64104936Thank you VERY much anon!
>>64104629dawg if you're curious about how any of this stuff works just google the patent artwork. There are tons of diagrams and rbt has all their patents listed on their website. I have a buddy with a first gen frt , I myself just own SS of which I have a few kits in different materials and from different vendors.FRT first gen is a robust design as the hammer itself forces the trigger to reset and the lever is really just acting like a sear to prevent OOBD. Apart from that and the selector are the only moving parts. The 3 position is a lot more complex with more springs and moving parts. The hammer is still forcing reset but it's a bit thinner to accommodate the disconnector for regular semi. With SS's the safety itself forces the trigger to reset via the lever rotating, so in that way it's the same design as the atrius. The atrius design sacrifices too much material at the lever for it to be durable. So you are correct in that squeezing the trigger too hard would exacerbate the wear, the normal SS is designed to accommodate that extra wear while the atrius is not. As far as squeezing to hard - On first gen frt it's somewhat easy to do and ends with a dead trigger, though I don't think really damages anything.With an SS it's a bit harder to do since the lever adds so much torque to the safety but is possible. If you squeeze hard enough it will fail to fully cycle though you will have a live trigger (since the hammer is reset early in the bcg travel). I assume this puts extra stress on the lever of you full jam it up this way, though the lever hasn't shown any visible bending/cracking from the couple times I did it.
>>64104885the FRT lever is functionally just the trigger disconnect and has very little forces applied to it (apart from the bcg itself tripping it), the hammer itself resets the trigger.
>>64104971Is that the three position? I can't see shit in there and I certainly don't see how the BCG forces the reset. Thanks though lol> The 3 position is a lot more complex with more springs and moving parts. The hammer is still forcing reset but it's a bit thinner to accommodate the disconnector for regular semi.Okay good to know, so should be stronger than the Atrius/SS lever then in terms of forcing the reset?>On first gen frt it's somewhat easy to do and ends with a dead trigger, though I don't think really damages anything.With an SS it's a bit harder to do since the lever adds so much torque to the safety but is possible. If you squeeze hard enough it will fail to fully cycle though you will have a live trigger (since the hammer is reset early in the bcg travel). I assume this puts extra stress on the lever of you full jam it up this way, though the lever hasn't shown any visible bending/cracking from the couple times I did it.Interesting. We need to get someone who has time on both an Cassette FRT and an SS and who can speak to which resets "stronger". Whichever design resets stronger IMO is the route to go, assuming the parts are strong enough to transfer the force via leverage. Sorta as we've been saying all thread, Atrius needs to strengthen their lever, probably both using geometry and material. Right because as we pursue the best simulation of FA fire, we would like to be able to squeeze the trigger to the rear as hard as possible, as one can on a real MG, and to still have the gun cycle reliably as intended. To me this means we actually would prefer the longer lever arm of the SS design, but just combine it with enough system gas/energy and strong enough materials that it all rocks and continues to rock without breaking. >>64105004>>64105004Ahh thank you good find, I think I see it, the hammer as it is pushed back and down by the BCG forces the reset of the trigger by contact at point 51/58That seems like less leverage than a SS?
>>64104971Question, with the L3 in semi mode does the trigger still "reset" forwards after each shot?>>64105014>how the BCG forces the resetIf I'm right, then the L3 safety enables the normal disconnector in semi and disables it in FR but it's technically always in FR mode.
>>64105029I don't have an FRT but I believe that is correct, artwork shows the same forced reset in semi position. Disconnector is proprietary to the L3 of course but otherwise functions like a normal disconnector. Super safeties don't force reset in semi since it's controlled by the safety which is in a different position, and functions just like normal semi with a milspec disconnector.
>>64105060forgot pic
>>64105029Can confirm it forces the trigger reset even in standard semi
So is it illegal for anyone except rarebreed to sell a “trigger pack” style forced reset trigger/super safety?As far as I see it the hammer spring makes modifying an hk trigger pack hard/impractical, but several companies claim to be working on a drop in solution
>>64105073Seconding this. It still forces the reset but there's a second reset that you can feel which I assume is the semiauto only disconnector.
>>64105060>>64105029>>64105064>>64105100>>64105073Very interesting. You guys with cassette RBT style FRTs, how "strong" is the reset? As compared to a SS lever type?>>64105094>is it legalAre you a patent lawyer or very mechanically inclined to the point where you can confidently interpret a technical drawing?>several companies claim to be working on a drop in solutionI wait anxiously.Needs to drop right into a factory style SEF or NAVY pack, needs to aesthetically match as close as possible to the classic look, but needs to be lever actuated FRT SS, two position is acceptable IMO given the role of a sub gun.
>>64105116Two position would be piss easy, but also gay
>>64105140>Also gaySubgun 9mm???
>>64105143I mean, there are several aftermarket mp5 triggers out there. For a 2 position trigger pack you’d just need to add a lever to the back and wah lah. Several manufacturers could do that without too much trouble.A 3 position trigger pack is what I’m waiting for
>>64105150Yeah I had a ShootingSight for a bit. It was okay. IMO a 2 position is fine for an MP5 given subgun POU, but yeah I mean three position would be nice, especially for other applications.
>>64105116I've tried all different kinds of FRTs, knock-offs, and SS variants since the original 2-position RB was first released, and can't tell or remember the difference. For each model the reset is nearly imperceptible with the recoil happening, and I've never inadvertently locked up the action or broken any components with my trigger pull. It just intuitively works which is exactly what I want. One observation I have is that the standard semi-auto trigger slap on my WASR is 10x worse than FRT.
>>64105368Yeah I've messed with some AK FRTs and they almost hurt. >just intuitively worksI was trying to take legitimate quantitative data on recoil control as measured by hit factor for various strings of fire at various ranges comparing FRT/SS with my Atrius Selektor vs Semi in the same platformThe additional attention I was paying towards recoil control, and the nature of "deathgripping" the gun, I think is what is causing the breakages. Like I said, I'm pinning the trigger to the rear. If you just lightly squeeze, yeah sure it works well, but actually now that I think about it, we really don't want a mechanism that either breaks or that we bind up if we squeeze too hard... these are guns after all, potentially being used in a high stress environment...
>>64105385I'm not even talking about the AK FRT. Just a stock WASR with a G2 or something basic. That shit makes my feelings finger numb after a few mags.As for the high stress death grip, I get what you are saying but I'll argue that trigger control is important, FRT or not, and an average amount of pressure shouldn't lock/break anything. Either way I'm not feathering these triggers, I promise.Now if we are discussing the robustness of the various reset mechanisms themselves, rather than the perceived feel of the shooter, I think the super safety is top.
>>64105413Yeah my buddy's M72 with Konoshit in it like HURT bad. You couldn't get through more than a mag. It hurt bad enough IMO to not me practically useable, among other issues with that KONO system. >average amount of pressure shouldn't lock/breakAnd this was my experience with my 2nd lever that made it 1100 rounds just doing basic drills. In the exact same setup I broke it the moment I tried intentionally doing recoil control drills with le death grip. Replacement for that lever went a similar direction. >robustness of various reset mechanismsSo right now I think the conversation is two fold, robustness of the mechanism to various gassing, ammo, etc and shooter finger strength application, AND the mechanical advantage the mechanism utilizes to force the reset. We want something as close to auto as possible right? In a real auto gun, you can grip as hard as you want and two things don't happen, that will happen in a SS/FRT system if not designed properly. Thing one, the strength of your finger on the trigger beats the reciprocating energy, and the gun just doesn't cycle, or fails to cycle completely. Thing two, the strength of the reset as leveraged by the mechanism is stronger than some yield strength in one of the components, and the mechanism breaks. We don't want either. Any ideas why the area in red isn't reinforced? Why is it clearanced on both the SS and Atrius designs?
>>64105433Probably because it needs to clear the rear of the upper, add that additional material and it no longer goes back far enough to engage the safety.Forced reset is probably the closest thing we're going to get to legit select fire. The basic function of a forced reset trigger requires that the trigger move forward after each shot.Honestly, stop death gripping. Or at least not with your trigger finger. These triggers are just one big compromise and the compromise is that you can't death grip.The only way to overcome this is to somehow make the SS turn with such force that no human can squeeze hard enough. But that only creates more potential problems.Granted the long SS lever seems much less robust than the FRT (especially the OG 2 pos trigger) but I think you've reached the answer of why your SS levers keep breaking.
>>64093024thanks for the input. makes me feel a bit better going forward.>>64097087how much would you hypothetically pay?>>64102688was probably going to do part time realistically
>>64104034>>64103874Do these somehow function differently from a SS or FRT, or is it just a distinct name for legal purposes?
>>64106052works closest to the SS, but it has a normal selector
>>64105839>These triggers are just one big compromise and the compromise is that you can't death grip.Yeah but in the spirit of SHALL NOT we should try to get these devices as close as possible to the least compromised state that we can>The only way to overcome this is to somehow make the SS turn with such force that no human can squeeze hard enough. But that only creates more potential problems.I'm buggin Atrius right now explaining as much. We absolutely want to use as much leverage and mechanical advantage to force the reset as possible, making it harder for a strong trigger finger in a death grip situation to lock the gun up and prevent cycling, BUT as you pointed out this can lead to other potential problems, like said increase in mechanical advantage and leverage breaking the levers/parts that are part of the mechanism. So we need to beef up the lever design and material such that it can reliably and with longevity actuate the forced reset with the mechanical advantage afforded by the geometry. A great analogy IMO is with drag racing. We can add engine power (gas, mass, reciprocating energy), and we can increase the final gear ratio for better acceleration (forced reset mechanism mechanical advantage over the trigger finger), but if the axles aren't beefed up properly (lever strength), they'll just snap.
Rare greed suing AS Design https://youtu.be/JTUPeJoTfB4?si=1Wg1HD9-Xc87fb7q
>>64107974Assuming this goes as well as the suit against Hoffman which is basically dead this is just another token "see, we tried" action to uphold their end of the ATF settlement. I'm just surprised this wasn't joined with the original suit.
>>64108121When did they sue Tim Hoffman?
>>64108762Rare Breed sued Hoffman (and lost) when Hoffman made the Super Safety.
I always hates kids that stole orher kids' lunches.
I got my Atrius working with a LaRue MBT2. It required me to mill on four separate surfaces, but by God I got it working.
>>64109451>required me to mill on four separate surfaces,>we'll develop it i production!I've got 2 of these and I'm thinking I will install on my milspec.
>>64109493The absolute state of the Atrius is unacceptable, but tbf they never said it was compatible with the LaRue. Hopefully they will make a beefed up Gen II and just sell it with the MBT2 as a package.
>>64109544My atrius is tuned to 300blk subs. over 400 rounds no problem malfunctions. It was a huge bitch (ended with yellow sprinco, 2.2/2.3oz kac buffer, lightweight bcg 8.2oz) but now I have a 850-900rpm subgun as G-d intended. Trash panda and 7"barrel with gas almost all the way open with 3:30-4 ejection
>>64109544>there is no clock in the workshop at la rueGood luck to Attrius getting 200 MBT-2s from LaRue.
>>64109169Proof? I know they sent a C&D for his original FRT (before the super safety)
ARC MCX rattler footage
>>64109630I've got 5 super safeties and just the one Atrius. It's in my mk12 that I compete with because I don't want to accidentally bump it into full giggle mode. I've found that a JP silent captured spring is extremely effective and so is a lightweight bolt carrier. The lightweight bc gets me up to 1300 rpm in some guns.>>64109635I know anon don't rub it in :(
>old guy at the gun club saw me going loud and tattled and i got a call today saying that FRTs are illegal
>>64110065Is the silent capture worth the inevitable tuning headache?
>>64110183I've never had to tune one. Never not ever. They are extremely forgiving systems. I'm sure they have limits like any other machine part but they work in a wide range of conditions.
>>64107974>>64108121Yeah I wish I understood Rarebreed's motivations with bringing these suits that honestly seem totally unfounded. Is it greed? Is it just insanity and they think their patent covers these other designs? Is it them being used by the ATF?>>64109544>beefed up Gen III'm not holding my breath. >>64109630>>64110065Do me a favor, next time you're running your Atrius, try to pin the trigger to the rear with as much force as possible to see if you can't get the gun to lock up and not cycle.
So... Made myself a RifleSpeed dissipator similar to Hop's, it has a standard carbine buffer and standard spring, milspec BCG... What're the chances it'll run with the Atrius I put in it?
I've got an AP5. Is the L2prints Leber V2 actually decent? I want a SS but hate the lines of the Lee sporting lower and would rather keep more of the classic mp5 shape.
>>64112746You need a heavier buffer. H3 minimum
I have two questions for you guysFor a new 3 position FRT thats just been released, would you guys want these options for it:-You can buy a two position version for cheaper-You can get different styles of triggers (flat and curved for example)-You can get it in D2 steel for a slightly higher cost-You can get it in a regular black finish or in a tan finishAnd if you were only able to have one of these set of options available, which would you choose
>>64092520your competitor is selling five 3d printed parts for $100, you dont have much oppositionin fact if you did the same exact thing but made it out of steel i'd probably buy it in a heartbeat
>>64113712D2 steel, I'm not poor
>>64113739You say that, but does D2 really make all that much of a difference over 4140? I know for atrius's abortions they break if you look at them the wrong way but thats more of a design issue. Has anyone at all noticed any difference?
>>64113712Might be appealing to the right personMakes more of a difference in semi but someone will buy itWould be the most appealing option out of the fourBasically meaningless since you can't even see most of the trigger, unless the selector is also tan which makes this slightly less meaningless.I want a 3pos FRT that has a real 2 stage semi mode (no FR after each shot)
>>64113841The one in question I intend to sell comes with both a trigger and a safety, but now that I think about it, the tan versions of the gun come with a black trigger and safety anyways since no tan variation is made for themI personally think more trigger shape variations would be the most interesting option but doing so would complicate bulk pricing if I did both that and a D2 option
>>64113872Is the cost of a 4140 vs D2 FRT that much of a difference that it's worth manufacturing and stocking? If the cost is only slightly different wouldn't it be more practical to just go with D2, set the cost slightly higher as default, and then make the money back by advertising that your FRTs are using superior D2 steel?FRTs are, let's be real, toys for big boys. Anyone buying them has the money. Unless the 2-pos triggers are substantially cheaper to manufacture and sell I'd say don't bother because these kind of toys aren't really something people will dealhunt for like groceries. They'll be opportunistic with coupon codes but otherwise they're probably not going to cry over an extra $50.Anyone who's okay with a FR-only trigger probably has a dedicated blasting gun kitted out with a heavy barrel, bipod, maybe even belt fed if they're loaded and can already afford to get the 3-pos anyways.The people who don't have a dedicated fun gun will buy the more practical 3-pos because they don't have a dedicated blaster and the ammo to feed it and they don't want to change out the trigger every time they want to shoot semi.So this reduces your SKUs down to two, a 3-pos D2 steel FRT with either a curved or flat trigger
>>64113712Having watched these triggers pop up for a while, I choose none (ish). Do:>3 position; additional 2 position option if you can for those who don't care and want some savings if you want>go with regular curved, don't make it look nuts>I don't know enough about steel to care (ie. I am not a knife nerd)>dark grey, one option; how many people are really going to be bothered by it not being tan?Maybe it's just me but I'm always kinda bothered by upgrades and aftermarket trying to go all woah scifi crazy muh hexagons in its design; looks great on some free float AR but once these aftermarket parts go on anything else (M16s, wood stocked rifles, etc) it looks silly.
>>64112811I like mine on my ap5p, with the metal inserts it's pretty solid. I've only put 150 rounds through it so far though.I also went with the Leber because I think the lee sporting looks terrible
>>64113712>D2 steelthis is really the one I care about
>>64114111Its not so much about the increased material cost, its more about bulk pricing issuesThink about it this way, if I buy 100 4140 FRTs and we say it costs me $5000, then I only pay $50 a trigger, and 100 D2 FRTs it might just cost $6000, so $60 a triggerBut if I were to offer both, then I might be buying 50 4140 FRTs for $3000, and 50 D2 FRTs for $3500, raising the price I pay for both overall, unless I can strike a deal with the manufacturing company.>Just make it D2 and raise the price by defaultIt's a bit of a gamble, I really don't know whether I should be focus on cost effectiveness or not, because I know that some FRTs attract people more than others for their low cost (super safeties for example) but I also know that the crowd I'm selling to prides themselves on calling other people poor and buying ridiculously expensive accessories, that companies would probably sell for cheaper if you guys actually cared about your budget>unless 2-pos triggers are cheaperThey most likely wont be in my case, not enough to matter so this option is probably lowest pirority on my list>>64114193I dont care for flat and tacticool triggers or safeties personally but idk how much other people do
>>64114387Honestly what's your plan, anon? How are your FRTs different from the others?
>>64114568The fact that there are no othersThe FRT in question is for a gun that doesn't have one yetI'm also the anon that had the same idea as Atrius before they even announced it which I'll also try to sell, but I don't expect much out of it
>>64114584well gawddamnin that case forget about the options and focus on making a good product as quickly as possible, you can always add options laterI hope your endeavors prove profitable
Genghis Thumb with FRT'd Vector
>>64114584Best of luck, here's hoping it's for a CZ 805 Bren.
>>64114772I also have an idea ready for the PS90, and its my goal to pursue designing one for a handful of other gunslook forward to emptying your wallet on ammo to feed a forced reset FAL or ppsh in the future
>>64114790is this on twitter?
>>64114825https://x.com/GarandThumb1/status/1955418679312888015
>>64114584Nice anon. I do have to wonder if these product makers don't actually read this board sometimes; I pretty much asked for (pic) the Kryon like 6 months before Shot Show down to the last detail, albeit in an early not-sure-how-to-manufacture form and without the bullet point of "it's also a shroud to protect you from burns" they repeat so often. I wanted:>clone of the Tacsol SBX 10/22 silencer cage barrel, but just the cage sold on its own as a P&W muzzle device(or attached as a service; send in your own barrel)>if available as a direct clone, put it on a Ruger barrel and not that godawful aluminum Tacsol barrel(sorry Tacsol it just looks weird on "normal" semi-traditional wood stocked 10/22s and you don't sell the regular barrels in anything but aluminum bull barrel despite offering carbine profile in TD aluminum for some reason)>with a wider cage than the Tacsol barrel(it doesn't fit anything over like 1", including the Mask HD which barely fits but you could get a single sheet of paper between it and the wall, maybe; the Kryon went maybe a little far for 22s but it makes sense for rifle/pistol caliber silencer diameters)>with access to the base of the silencer(I literally specified the two wrench cutouts like on the Kryon; the Tacsol does not have this and you need to use silencers with permanently attached bases which seems like a huge oversight)>probably with some fancy machining cuts to make it lighter but nothing too crazy(IMO maybe the Kryon went a little far lol.) Seeing that at Shot Show was like a weight off my shoulders; I wouldn't have to try and explain a gunsmith what this thing I want made is or try to have to model it to show them my insane ramblings do in fact make sense, but only if you think as crazy as I am. Also making the base a 1/2x28 to 1/2x28 adapter and machining the base of the cup in one piece makes so much sense (even if $$$ to make). Two different materials seems retarded though as you have to P&W the tube, too.
Is there one for the FAL/SCAR rifles yet?
>>64115166There is one for scar, but you have to change the lower to a lower that accepts ar fcgs and a trip. This would allow you to use a 3 pos FRT
>>64114378Thanks anon.
>>64096018how much for the metal glock trigger shoe?
>>64113712D2 steel or GO FUCK YA MUDDUH
>>64114584Do you even have a copy of solidworks?
>>64115166what >>64115178 said, but you also need to modify your bolt and get a pin installed. AFAIK it only works with a rare breed trigger. All together for parts and whatnot it would cost about 1500. Also the trip has been out of stock for a while now, as the specific lower that works with it.
>>64116440Why the hell would I use scamworks? Freecad works fine for meAnd if I really wanted to use paid software that badly I'd just pirate it anyways because who gives a shit
>>64117248mastercam gang
>>64092475I own 2 MAC type transferable SMGs. Should I just sell them at this point? MY only concern is that the government changes their mind on FRT/SS. I really hope this is the new normal.
>>64118677if you dont sell them soon you might not be able to find someone willing to pay so much for a transferrable anymore, though it might be better if you just sell one of them
>>64118677The government can always change its mind, anon, that's the perk of writing the law. Don't let that worry you.
>>64118677Are they investment guns or shooting fun guns?
>>64118677I've got a MAC too, keeping it. Probably could sell it and the Lage uppers / mags I've got for $20k. If I had two? Yeah I might sell one just because they've gone up quite a lot and near the limit of where I think you'll see some degree of a ceiling for the near term due to others being priced out of the market.I seriously doubt they'll let SS or FRTs remain legal. Either there will be a mass shooting with one in the next year targeting a major sports event and trump throws us under the bus for another time, or they'll just direct when the next dem admin gets in to classify them as MGs. These things work too well for them to allow us peons to have
>>64115965$55 shipped
>>64119067G26 P80-Reduced safety plunger spring/polished plunger, modded stock connector, low experimental trip. Micro dagger (43x,43, etc.)-Stock no mods needed, tallest trip.Dagger compact-Reduced safety plunger spring/polished plunger, modded 3.5 ghost connector (cut reset tab off), shortest trip.
>>64100768they still havent shipped my first order for one fucking selektor in May. Fucking hell
>>64100949>/k/ finally learns barrels get hot when they get full auto triggersyou all have weak trigger fingers
My SS kits get here tomorrow, but i have the conundrum of all nearby ranges banning "rapid fire", what do
>>64120812call in to ask a few different ones, some ranges near me changed up the rules to allow people to fire guns on super safe so the same might've happened to your area, though sometimes only for people with memberships
Somebody please make a SS for the vz61
>>64121461already exist, you need a lower that accepts a ar fcg but it works
>>64121466Checked and based. I guess I should have figured on a frankenAR skorpoin already being a thing
>>64121466that just kills the aesthetic
When is the 10/22 going to get a FRT? No way a gun that popular doesn't get one. If it can get a binary then surely it will get a FRT.
>>64121818it already has one, you can print it
>>64121818It already has one, but its 3d printed and ridiculously scalped in price and i dunno if theres files for itThough another anon with the same idea might make it out of steel and sell itOr you can copy the 3d printed design in CAD and have a CNC service make it for you out of steel
>>64121824>i dunno if theres files for itthere are and available for free
Whats the best way to announce my new FRT? Its for a new gun and not just more AR sloppa which makes it all that more important for people to hear aboutWas thinking of announcing it here, making a verified twitter account and announcing it in a post, announcing it on a few subreddits, sending out a few to some youtubers, and maybe more subtle shilling on a few different platforms using alt accountsAny other ideas? I don't wanna shove it down people's throats of course just get the name out there
>>64123843>I don’t want to shove it down peoples throats. Bro you are trying to sell a product. You want visibility. There’s a line but worrying about crossing it before even selling a single item is a bad idea. Just use any platform possible to promote it
I'm getting into the game latewhats my best choice for an AR15 super safety in terms of quality and turnaround time?Who's actually delivering in a reasonable time frame?Should I buy multiple and expect them to break <1000 rounds? or does wuggy just have problems because hes fighting the reset with his retard strength?I wanted a rarebreed but I hesitated and they're sold out now, they seem to be too busy litigating to go back to building their own triggers
>>64123843make a youtube video and websiteget linked in OP
>>64119067I'll get one once this printing batch sells.
>>64124211Deez Nuts will get you a basically indestructible one for $80 in a few days. If you have basic tinkering skills you can modify a trigger to work with it, if not they will sell you a compatible trigger. EZ
>>64124211I asked that VP Nation Tim guy (Atrius affiliate or something) to test his setup with a STRONG trigger finger pinning it to the rear. He didn't say how many rounds he did it for, but he said he couldn't get his lever to break, or the gun to lock up or malfunction in any way, so IDK. Could be my setup I guess. But then again, a LOT of people are seeing broken levers.
With my Mp5sd SS done and working flawlessly now it's time to do a Mp5k version. I just need the SS's to come back in stock at AS Designs
>>64123843Make accounts for your company on every single socmed site you can, even if you never use them it's good for helping prevent imitation scams.Go where your customers go. Upload teasers on Youtube, post them onto Reddit on the general gun subs and onto the subs for whatever specific gun you're making it for.It's ((current year)), people are already used to having adverts shoved into their faces but they're also used to ignoring them if it's not relevant. But on guns subs it's absolutely relevant and there will be interest.Don't post the internal mechanisms before you get the patent if you care about preventing imitators.Honestly anon, you're worried about too much too early. Forget about options, forget about offensive advertisements. Offer one and exactly one SKU and market the hell out of it to corner the market.
Just installed a DNT SS and need help trouble shooting. Doing a function test and it mostly works fine, but when I pull the bolt back on safe it moves by itself onto SS mode
>>64120254You're gonna fucking hate me, anon.I ordered one in late May. I requested a refund in late July because I wasn't feeling it anymore. Got my money back the next day.Monday I get a notification from USPS about an incoming package, check Atrius order status lookup and it's been changed from refunded to shipped.I thought they'd just printed out the shipping label in bulk and weren't going to ship it but it was accepted by the carrier a few hours later and ended up in my mailbox earlier today.
>>64126316Actually think it might be something wrong with this upper. I installed another kit into my other gun and its just fine. Other gun is a Geissele and this ones some mystery meat mil spec
>>64126334Interesting
Uhhh bump
wait so are FRT's just not legal in Virginia? It seems like the demosharts have tried to ban them but i didnt even know
>>64092475>Cuck stateI hate Florida so much, bros. Heat, humidity, mosquitos, endless hurricanes and we can't even get FRTs.
>>64126316>>64126345Never mind, its working just fine now somehow. Didn't touch it at all since last night
bomp eet
>>64110477> I wish I understood Rarebreed's motivations with bringing these suits that honestly seem totally unfounded.The motivation is the settlement they signed with the ATF that said they would enforce their patent in exchange for the ATF admitting FRTs are not machine guns. It sucks but if they cast a wide net it makes it harder to for the Atfa to turn aroudj and say "you're not upholding your end of the deal" and rescind the settlement. So in a way the lawsuits help keep FRTs.on the market in a fucked up roundabout way.
Someone in another thread reminded me. Someone here with good engineering experience should make an FRT for the Steyr TMP and the B&T MP9.
What are my options when it comes to a zastava m70? I'm new to FRTs and I can't find much info about yugos.
>>64124211wugtard has an atrius selector which is a different, more delicate design some people have been having issues with. The original super safety designs are much more robust and will probably do 20k+ rounds with the appropriate material. Fudd arms usually has s7 kits for $100, game is good to. Both shipped within 1 or 2 days.
New Hoffman Tactical Vid on Rare Greed...Patents and the Super Safety | The Factshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCiGqo-cXXE
Deeznutztactical AK FRT running solid. 250 rounds no malfs at all through PM md. 90 Romanian SBR kit build gun, gob bless for CHF CL barrels and Inconel cans, nitride and SS chuds btfoMaking good 4 shot string hits at 20yds on 8x16" steel. KNS piston helped to tune. Need to get a gas gasket. https://streamable.com/jecio8>>64137170Good video. The patent stuff is insane. I truly don't understand rare greed's motivations.
>>64138410That thing sounds whisper-quiet. Cool.
>>64138537Eh yeah I think more just a function of the recording and audio. IDK I'll ask a buddy to listen to it next time I'm shooting, but I think the recording is deceiving. It is a Dead Air Sandman K on a 12" 7.62x39 barrel. Not really a quiet setup. https://streamable.com/y0omgmThat being said, I'm super stoked with how it did. Nice change of pace from the past 3 range trips which were just my Atrius lever snib snabbing after a couple mags then going home after shooting my glock a bit.
>>64138700>knocks over the first targetThis is so great. Few people with any real power are thrilled with the idea of widespread access to machine guns, so I'm sure this will get rugpulled eventually, but I'm gonna enjoy watching people play with their toys for now alon with the rapid innovation by FRT/SS manufacturers.
>>64138700Did you finally fix the clearance issue you were having? Pic is my 4 FRT setups. The middle AR im trying to get to run nicely with a cmmg 22lr conversion. The MP5 has been flawless, same with the DFT in the LMT/geissele AR. My saiga in 7.62 has had no issues in about 450+ rounds. Its got an old definitive arms adjustable gas block and I usually use my old specwar 762 as I don't care if it gets beaten up. There is no gas in the face at all with the adjustable gasblock.
>>64139437>rugpulled eventuallyJust need to proliferate hard enough>>64140041Sorry which clearance issues? With the Deeznutz AK FRT or the Atrius? the Deeznutz went in with just a bit of fitting, obviously the trigger, but some on the hammer and trigger pin retainer plate. Atrius I'm waiting on a 4th replacement lever. 3rd one broke AFTER doing this clearance work so that wasn't the issue:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2PO44uzhyUI would be surprised if you get the .22lr FRT to work. I would assume not enough system/action energy to spare any for working the trigger. >MP5 has been flawlessNice, I am just waiting for a drop in SEF/NAVY housing compatible pack. https://streamable.com/7ux266
>>64140085Last time I took it out I was able to get a couple small bursts with thunderbolt ammo. Since then I swapped out triggers for one that requires less movement for reset and a few other smalls things. Worst case after a few more attempts and changes, Ill pick up a borebuddy kit. Currently I am using a metal slip trip.
>>64092854>>64092864I'm quite surprised it looks like the M&P will be the first pistol with a 2 position FRT, it currently has a no selector - there's 3 chassis available for it - CAA, Recover tactical, and IMI defense. The CAA is probably the only one that won't work with the upcoming selector - it works with the non selector frt tho.9mm/.40/.45/10mm currently g2g - No 5.7, no shields or bodyguards
>>64100768The Atrius is a flawed product.With ASdesigns about to drop their 3 position super safety is joever for atrius
>>64104725The kits/trips for AR-22's and the CMMG .22lr conversion bolt employ a anti-bounce device. Every direct blowback out there is going to be closed bolt without a fixed firing pin, some will have internal safeties to prevent the firing pin from moving until the bolt is forwardQuite a few open bolt SMG's are technically API blowback- advanced primer ignition - I could see closed bolt conversions and the like w/o fp safeties -semi auto sten's/sterling and MAC'S potentially becoming API with a SS if they don't kB!
>>64104725PS90 has a sprung firing pin and a barrel delaying system so it's not true blowback.The barrel delay slightly slows extraction/ejection while also imparting more force on the bolt once the barrel has moved fully rearward.It should be fine.PS90 uses a cloned AUG trigger pack so work is being done on it
Will we ever see a firearms manufacturer sell a gun with a forced reset mechanism included in the stock gun?Is there any good reason why they can't/won't? Seems like it would big $
>>64140586Seems like it would be* big $
>>64140586>>64140590Arms of America I believe is the only one doing anything close to that. They were selling I think Yugo M72 RPK Kit builds that they were building, with KONO/MARS/DIABLO style AK FRTs installed. I agree though it will be a BIG improvement on the market space with a firearms manufacturer either partners with an FRT/SS company, or one company just does both tasks, and builds and tunes the system around the FRT/SS function. In time.
>>64140586we need TRBD before any more progress is made in the FRT realm
>>64140586100% its just a matter of time and whether forced reset can last the next regime.>>64140981it can help.
>>64097087
>>64102496Now thats unfortunate
>>64144181Where's the bayonet? Where's the grenade launcher? Where's the detachable stock?
>>64143959>whether forced reset can last the next regime.It will not. It will be outlawed by executive order out of spite alone.
Atrius' current theory for why I'm breaking levers is that I haven't adequately clearanced the upper receiver per this picture
Annoying since I sent them this picture showing my upper was already clearanced prior to breaking 2 levers. Also frustrating because they're saying that eventually they will cease sending replacement levers, claiming that the issue must be with my setup/clearances, but without explaining to me the fault/hole in my reasoning/theory that levers can break if the geometry of the lever and metal of the lever are not strong enough to repeatedly overcome a strong trigger finger press forcing the trigger shoe to the rear while a strongly gassed action forced the BCG to the rear.
>>64146964Sounds to me like they're staking out a position where it's on you if you overgas the system or hold the trigger too tightly. In their opinion, you're using the product in a manner it wasn't designed for, and so the problem isn't with the FRT but instead with you. Meaning, they aren't looking to change the metals they use in the system any time soon.
>>64147077>using the product in a manner it wasn't designed forPerhaps. FRTs and SS are ideally NOT gimmicks but rather good simulations of MGs. This means you should be able to run an overgassed gun, and pull the trigger as hard as one reasonably can to the rear with no issues. Atrius doesn't seem to market themselves as sellers of a gimmick/toy, but rather a true 2A company? I could be wrong, that is just my impression. I think you're right they're staking out a position right now though. >aren't looking to change the metals they useYeah I have a feeling they're going to ride the current design, both geometry and materials, and the current pricing and profits for as long as they can. I think that financially it would be potentially enough to put them under if they were in a position where they might have to replace several thousand levers that are currently out there free of charge with an improved lever, especially if said improved lever was made from a better steel, increasing both material and machining costs.
>>64140586>>64143959IMHO the big holdup rn is rarebreeds autistic lawsuit megatour. PSA would absolutely be preparing to sell AR's with Super safeties for a $400 markup otherwise.>>64143959>>64144553I have serious doubts dems are going to win anything in 2028 save a economic depression (read:stock and bond market major crash)support for GOP/Trump rn is quite higher than his first term.Little shit like the bloat in the BBB and Beef prices exploding chips away, but his tariffs are coming into effect right now, the thing that's going to clutch it is if he can deliver tax cuts.Also dems pretty much only have Gavin Newsom for 2028 and quite frankly he's probably going to lose the primary to a woman - who will then lose to almost anyone. The first female president will probably spark a civil war.If JD Vance or Nikki Haley wins the primary for 2028 than Dems actually have a chance
>>64144553Democrats probably aren't going to be able to win the presidency until 2032 at earliest
>>64147183>Atrius doesn't seem to market themselves as sellers of a gimmick/toy, but rather a true 2A company?Everything marketed to american gun community is a gimmick/toy. FRTs are toys. SS are toys. No matter what anyone says they're a half assed solution to attaining steady rapid fire because feds are fags. Anyone with an actual need for select fire will spend the money to get actual select fire guns.I'll be frank man, what are you even looking for?A SS that will fail but not break if you pull and hold the trigger without letting it reset forwards?Or an SS that will continue to function regardless of how hard you pull and hold the trigger?
>>64147270>>64147285This is unexpected news.
>>64149038>Everything marketed to american gun community is a gimmick/toy.False and dumb statement>FRTs are toys. SS are toys.Current designs and production perhaps, but that doesn't necessarily need to be the case forever>Anyone with an actual need for select fire will spend the money to get actual select fire guns.Can't tell if boomer, bootlicker, or cope>I'll be frank man, what are you even looking for?To get as close to full auto as possible within current legal constraintsI believe this means FRT SS systems which make the best use of leverage or other mechanical advantage to efficiently and reliably harness reciprocating cyclic action energy to force the trigger to reset even under high stress high pressure operator grip trigger finger force such that the operator can't simply lock the weapons action up and prevent cycling, while also making use of well thought out designs both geometrically and in terms of materials to ensure that the mechanism itself doesn't break. And I don't think we're that far off. IMO most semi auto platforms have more than ample action energy to defeat the average trigger finger even under high stress high trigger actuation force. I've felt absolutely painful horrendous AK trigger slap in FRT systems, and I've not yet been able to lock my AR's action up with FRT SS mechanism in the cases it had ample gas to begin with. What is happening at least to me is that the lever in the Atrius SS is snapping under the forces it is transferring from the reciprocating BCG to the trigger finger.
>>64149038Actual retard
>>64149190It shouldn't be. The cracks in the Democratic coalition were blatantly apparent during the 2016 election. They did not get better, and Biden's epic flameout made them worse despite his presidency certainly appearing like a devil's bargain between the party's old guard and the young hip socialists.What you should be expecting next is for the same thing to happen to the Republicans once Trump is out of the picture. There are also deep, unreconcilable differences between various portions of the MAGA coalition. For now, his outsize New York personality masks some of it and forces obedience from the dissenters you do here. But I don't see any obvious heir apparent, which means when he's gone, there's nothing that will stop them from turning on each other just as savagely as the Dems are currently doing.I also think that the Dems could find themselves back in power much faster than some predict if Trump 2 really fucks the economy. I don't think the tariff shenanigans are bad enough, but if some combination of tariff neurosis, Congressional profligacy, and Fed incompetence causes a recession, the Bernies, AOCs, and now Mamdanis of the country are gonna get their moment. God help us if it comes to that, I don't think the Second Amendment would survive.
>rapid fire>full auto?>trigger housing says RAREBREED>normies can't tell the mechanical difference>they leave me aloneGentlemen, I've the most devious of ideas...
Guys, the slip trip for the scar 17 is back in stock. It requires a different lower, modifying the bolt carrier, and a RBT. Dare I?
Looking into buying one of these. Can someone explain how this little thing makes the gun go super safe? I dont know much about pistol internals
>>64149711If I had a scar 17, I would yeahGood luck getting imperial arms's lowers though, I think they've been out of stock for like a year. There are other lowers, but I'm not sure if they work
>AtriusIT SHIPPED
>>64140972How is that 1P87 sight? Want one for my 105
i have bought 3 drum magazines, today is a good day
>>64152625damn son, magpul?
>>64152781nah, ak drums for an rpk clone, only spent a little under $200 all in allanyone know if those cheap ppsh pouches would fit one? magwell might stick out a bit
>>64154178Use a 200 Rd SAW pouch from Venture Surplust. Knower
InterdashingI received mine earlier today so I took it apart for shits and giggles and found that it was a bit different than the drawings posted by >>64104971. I got an actual Rarebreed branded FRT so looks like they've run out of DTT stock.Instead of the hammer pushing the trigger down directly by the reset bump (58) it looks like when the hammer comes down the top of the hammer sort of wedges the trigger bump back which levers the trigger forwards.This means that unlike posted patent drawing the hammer and reset bump are both the same thickness as the L2 (or whatever the original 2-position FRT is called) and the disconnector is even the same-ish thickness as one from a milspec trigger group, just that it's offset when it catches the hammer.Also because it forces the trigger reset right after firing instead of relying on the return energy of the BCG and buffer like the SS styles I believe it would be less sucseptable to trigger reset failures.I like my Atrius but just seeing the L3's gut makes me infinitely more confident in its reliability.It's cool stuff.
>>64154444weirdass lookin disconnector though
>>64154444>>64149455I know you're going to be interested in this. I played around with the reset by holding the trigger back as hard as I could while pulling the charging handle backwards lightly, well under the amount of force I know the BCG is moving backwards with when the gun actually fires. Because of the leverage and the short reset distance before the trigger caught on the sear I was not able to force a failure to reset no matter how hard I held back the trigger.My opinion might change whenever I'm actually able to go back to shooting and obviously I can't speak to its long term reliability but I think the L3 might be the closest thing to what you're looking for.
>>64154318I only ask because my friend is offering to sell me some for $10 a piece, otherwise i'd probably get one of those romanian pouches
>>64154722hope you get the 3 position ak super safety working
>>64151814It is the Novus Precision Chinese clone. Not a bad optic overall. Good optic for the money if you appreciate the aesthetic. Good passive NVG light transmission. Good dot crispness. Good brightness settings and adjustments. >>64154444Interedasting indeed. Do you have both the Atrius and the Rarebreed set up and running in guns? I'm curious how they compare in two related respects. 1) which results in more force pushing the finger off the hammer, that is which is LESS likely to be locked up and prevent cycling by way of a strong trigger finger holding the trigger to the rear, and 2) which design seems to be less likely to break mechanically in the event you have a strongly gassed gun with ample cycling energy AND you're cranking the trigger back HARD. >>64154537>I was not able to force a failure to reset no matter how hard I held back the triggerThis is on the rare breed? Okay good to know. How does the semi auto feel. Looking forward to your range report.
>>64149711Well, I went ahead and ordered the linkage kit just so if it sells out I have it around. Now I got to wait for the lower to come back in stock as well as order and send out my bolt carrier for the modifications. While I doubt it, I hope that a SS would work with it. I like my DTT Frt, but I will miss going from a g$ super scar trigger to a regular milspec one.
Any AUGtists here. Any of you have that FRT? How is it? Considering buying an AUG. 90% because I like them and have wanted one for many years, 10% because the FRT
>>64154950>Do you have both the Atrius and the Rarebreed set up and running in guns?I had the Atrius in my AR15A2 but it's got the RB L3 in it now. I was able to run a mag in the Atrius earlier but only dry fire with the L3.>1) which results in more force pushing the finger off the hammerThe SS style's lever and safety camming the trigger into resetting is in theory slower but stronger but then the L3 trigger has the BCG slamming the hammer down which in turn slams the trigger down so the action is more violent. Frankly I don't think I have the skills to answer this definitively.>2) which design seems to be less likely to break mechanicallyL3, absolutely no contest. The Atrius style is nice and all but the lever is flimsy in comparison and the cam area is tiny. The L3 has plenty of material on all the high stress parts, unless there's QC issues with the metal or you're shooting actually explosive reloads I can't see any big part breaking. There was talk earlier about how it's a complicated design but in reality it isn't that much more complex than a regular milspec trigger group.I'm >>64126334, bank error in my favor, one Atrius SS for free which is the only reason I have both. I don't think I'd be as okay with the Atrius had I actually paid the $200. It's a $150 product at most and realistically it feels like something Strike Industries would sell for $30 in a clear plastic baggie. But regular super safeties are around $100 so that's where they're sold at. Yeah the L3 costs $450, 2.5x more but it's so much better than 2.5x so I believe it's worth the extra. I don't have the original push button style SS but from what I've seen those tend to be more durable than the Atrius.>How does the semi auto feel. Just from dry firing the L3 semi actually feels pretty decent, like a less mushy milspec trigger.I'm probably gonna mod my Atrius to handle the MBT2S and put it on my second rifle. Being able to use your own triggers is definitely a big appeal.
>atrius super safety>breaks 3 times in a row because anon “pulled the trigger too hard”lol. lmao even. How will atrius ever recover
>>64154444checked. neat, that must be a newer design. SS triggers don't reset on return though FYI, they reset after firing as well (when the bolt is just under halfway to the rear).
>>64158531Yeah, functionally identical but I definitely prefer the newer design. >SS triggers don't reset on return thoughWell shit, I guess they don't. Not sure where I got that from.
>>64158531so they reset twice, is that right?does that feel worse than a normal reset, or is it better?
>>64158489>How will Atrius ever recoverBy claiming that there is something out of spec or out of tolerance with my setup. I've clearanced the upper, I've clearanced the cam so the gun can be safe'd with the BCG to the rear. I'm running all verified mil spec parts. I had one lever do 1100 rounds no issue but then exploded the moment I intentionally cranked down hard on the trigger trying to hold it to the rear...>>64158351Awesome thanks a ton for the feedback, looking forward to more info from ya
Glad I canceled my atrius order. 9 weeks with no update for $200 is insane, especially considering the shit quality. About $100 for a deez nuts trigger and I bought two
>>64158824It simply shouldn’t have any issues like that though. You shouldn’t need to baby the selector, or worry about having slightly out of spec parts completely destroy it. Super safeties basically just werk with like any AR partsHopefully the AS designs selector will be robust
Who here cut their Larue triggers? I have a 3d printed jig and wanna keep my mtb2 but this image shows it being really rounded off in a way i don't feel like I can do with a rotary tool.
>>64161705I cut an MBT2. Works great.
RB cycled in 300blk subsonics (bulk pack 220 grain) through a supressor just fine.I was shooting out to 200 yards on semi auto, decent groups.The trigger break is not clean, in fact there is no break just spring pressure and a click.Not terrible for the application though imo, still useable.The RPM felt insanely high for an AR though.The second round fires so quickly they were right on top of each other at ~10 yards.After about a 4 round burst the recoil makes the muzzle jump too much for practical use imo.I was only firing ~three round bursts though because that shit is like $1 a round.300 through a can in fully semiautomatic sounds spookily like a Cowadooty gun without ear protection on lol
>>64113712Sounds like someone’s been shopping DNTA black curved 4140 SS has not done me wrong. The question of metal type matters more with something like slip trips in the MP5 SS world, but for a regular AR you’re not going wrong either way. D2 may be worth it if it’s the only one you have or if you just want that much more strength but rest assured you’re not making a mistake with 4140. You’ll want more after jying your first anyways.
why is it so hard to just get a drop in frt/ss for a geissele triggerall my guns have either those or larue triggersi dont want to use a shitty milspec
>>64162637? Just get a SS and cut your geissele for it. I've got 2 SD3G on my 2 SSs. They were easy to cut, and you barely have to round the edge
>>64163021i'm lazyi even have the dremel grinding bits, sandpaper, and cutting wheel sitting at my bench
>>64163043nigger, it takes like 5 minutes top. Most kits come with the guide to cut it. stop being lazy.
>>64162637Deez nuts tactical has cut geissele triggers
For some reason my super safety is dropping the hammer on semi when I very slowly let go of the trigger. If I let go of the trigger quickly if functions normally. Safe and super safe modes seem to be working fine too. Any idea of the causes/fixes?It's built on an AR-V receiver set, mil-spec hammer with the trigger cut by Mid-tier defense and a Maxim RDB. I already tried the super safety on an ar15 and it worked perfectly.
>>64163542I forgot to mention I can switch between semi and super safe with the hammer down, but not to safe.
My buddy wants me to help him frt his ep9. I dont want to be a dick, this is a good friend of mine but this seems like one of the worst possible guns to add an frt to. Am i full of shit? I know its doable, i just dont think it should be done.
>>64119067Where do I get the metal trigger shoe?
>>64163542>>64163570nvm, I swapped out the hammer and it seems to have fixed it
is there a guide to assemble and insert an HT-FRT?captcha related?
>>64164917just try it that will be a fun bonding thing, and only let him shoot it. Warn him that all polymer gun may be dangerous but i doubt it
anyone elses AR fire like grease gun speeds on fart mode? using a wolff carbine spring and an h3 in an 11.5 colt
where does the bolt catch spring on an HT-FRT go? I know it's being used outside the bolt catch
>>64168519>wolff carbine spring and an h3this is why. If you want higher ROF use a regular normal strength spring and a lighter buffer (h1 or h2). H3 isn't actually necessary unless you have been getting light primer strikes
So I have an atrius SS I would like to make work with my AR9. I have a CMC 95503 trigger, which passes the sniff test without the upper on. Issue I'm having is the bolt won't charge all the way, feels like the lever gets jammed up on the bcg. My BCG is a stern defense bu9 nib echo with a jp captured recoil spring. I suspect the area circled in picrel is the culprit.My question is, does this seems like a correct diagnosis, and would modification of that area interfere with my fostech echo (which this bolt was designed to accommodate)?
>>64169854Anon, I have a Stern Defense upper in 45acp on a FN-15 lower.I had the "bolt wont cycle forward" issue also but with a Hoffman SS.I modded 'removed metal' as picrel, per the red lines and 3/16 inch deep towards bolt centerline. Your pic appears to have the weight removed...If you use the weight 'see arrow in my pic' the weight will need to have material removed also.I modded mine with a 1/8" carbide ball cutter and a 1/4" cone stone in my Dermel..After the mod, it's functions like butta... smoother than a fresh bikini waxed.... well, you know.
Finally found a range nearby that will allow the use of my SS. Only in 3-6 round bursts though. Excited to go this weekend
So I sent my Scar 17 bolt carrier in to get the conversion done so I can eventually get it to run with a FRT. I've got a DTT frt in an AR that I plan on swapping back and forth, the trip kit coming in this week, and the lowers needed should be back in stock in about 3-4 weeks. At some point I need to decide If I want to pick up a RB FRT so I don't have to switch, or just go with a SS in my AR so I can have a better trigger with it.
Any AR12 anons out there!https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2_vDivDaY_Q
>>64169168>unless you have been getting light primer strikesno im getting bolt bounce and FTFs (with steelcase)
>>64170878damn thats cool
Atrius finally shipped my selector that I bought 5/27, Jesus Christ.
>>64170775When you get it back, do you mind posting pictures and maybe taking a few measurements with a pair of calipers?
>>64172762Yeah, shouldnt be an issue
>>64172534When you get it it running right, try intentionally CRANKING down hard on the trigger to test whether you can lock the gun up and prevent cycling via trigger finger pressure preventing the reset mechanism, or if that will snap/bend the lever?My current theory is that the Atrius design is fundamentally lacking in structural integrity as a result of a combination of poor design geometry and poor materials selection. I think Atrius has been effectively and conveniently hiding behind "tolerances" and "trigger compatibility". We've seen lots of broken bent levers...More than what I think can be explained by "tolerances" and "trigger compatibility". Plenty of people myself included have been having consistent trigger bends and breaks with mil spec parts that are "confirmed" to work in other setups. My 4th replacement lever is on the way, and I'm going to be selling my Selektor once it arrives.
>>64172971>go try to break the thing you've been waiting 3 months forNo thanks but I get what you're saying. I'd rather just sell it if its that bad
so the as arc will be the atrius but good right
>>64170282Thank you anon. Made the modifications but didn't seem to help my issue. Wondering if maybe it is my trigger but the problem doesn't manifest unless the upper and bolt are assembled. If the trigger is already reset, I can charge it as expected, but once the hammer drops and I try to charge things jam up.Another observation I made is it is difficult to move the safety into the FA position if the hammer is dropped, but I'm not sure if that is to be expected or not
>>64174514AS has existed for longer and has the ability to ship their orders in less than 13 weeks (see >>64172534)
>>64174514>>64174983 Does the AS arc use a specific style of trigger or it is more like the SS where you can cut an existing trigger to make it work?
super pooper scooper
>>64175283Looks like it'll be SS style
Kinda new to this all. Are there any MP5 super safeties that work with the stock lowers? Don't want to buy another lower for it.
>>64175371just print one
>>64175283any trigger cut for a super safety looks like it will work
>>64173835>I'd rather just sell it if its that badBut how do you know if it is that bad without testing it hmm?They'll send ya a replacement lever. I'm waiting on my 4th lever. >>64175371Unfortunately not. We're still waiting on a drop in FRT SS trigger pack with safety lever actuation that drops into original SEF or NAVY trigger pack housings. It is pretty annoying no one has done one yet. It would be pretty easy all things considered, especially with all the word that has been done with printing housings and shit. Timney and Shootingsight both make aftermarket drop in trigger packs for original housings. It shouldn't be much more complicated that doing that.
>>64175567>But how do you know if it is that bad without testing it hmm?Not him but at this point we've all kinda concluded that the Atrius has an inherent design flaw and not a batch QC failure that relegates it into being a pure range toy. We already know it's going to break under certain conditions, no need to actually break it to confirm yet again.
>>64176435>Atrius has an inherent design flawI believe this to be the case, at least cautiously I do. If that is indeed the case they're certainly not admitting it.
I saw a video of a TX22 super safety, we need a keltec cp33 super safety. Mine has been nothing but reliable.
>>64176900Yes, pleeeeeeeees
>>64174577 >I have a CMC 95503 trigger.I cant say if your CMC needs modded or not as I'm running a Schmid Tool flat trigger GI spec cit as per picrel modded for a Hoffman.Here's the best good troubleshooting vid for the Atrius SS.I was contemplating getting a Atrius thus why I watched the Vid.I would drop in a mill spec semi trigger to see if it behaves like the trigger in the vid and if Also your CMC trigger behaves the same.This may be your issue... Atrius Forced Reset Selector - Issues, Demonstration, and Remedyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2PO44uzhyU
>>64176900it sounds like a freakin A-10 Warthoghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGEbHo8jCvY
I know some people speculate that rarebreed only half-heartedly sues manufacturers just to comply with the feds, but what would happen if the company went out of business? FRT/SS are protected and they'd have no one to enforce the patent
I'm surprised nobody has started making "super safety spec" stripped uppers that have the area at the rear takedown lug widened for clearance
Are lightstrikes a common problem on a rarebreed?
>>64179280Not if you have a heavy buffer
Would a SS fit in a PSA lower? I feel like the shelf would obstruct it
>>64182055As far as I have seen PSA lowers are all low shelf so you should be fine.
>>64176871Got a 20” Colt HBAR and DNT SS, gonna be testing the fire rates with the standard buffer and the Kynshot RB5001 soon. Will report backWanna try the hydraulics but not willing to spend the $400 or the time tracking down a legit Colt buffer
>>64093011Seconding this, a p320 FRT would be wildly popular, anybody with a flux would buy them. I've already been thinking about it myself
>>64179275also optional fencing for the push button style would be cool
>>64126316Once again having this issue, someone help
>>64184073 first option after reddit after googling your issue. Also I pre-ordered a lima 6 build kit. Issue: The safety cam is jumping positions during function checks or live testing without you pushing it.Solution 1: Verify you are using a rounded safety detent and the round surface hasn’t flattened out too much.Solution 2: Verify the safety detent spring is not crooked/bent/pinched and appropriate pressure is applied to the detent/cam (you should feel distinct tactile clicks when you move between positions). If the pressure isn’t sufficient, you can add some material under the detent or spring to compress it further. In rare cases, you may need to reduce the pressure by removing a coil or coils from the spring.Solution 3: You may need to utilize a centering block (particularly if you have a M16 cut lower, but some lowers with wide pockets may also need it). Make sure the block can move freely in the lower to prevent binding, it may need some trimming.Solution 4: In extremely rare cases, the cam may be out of spec, please contact us.
>>64157279I've been trying real hard to hold out for a better solution than drilling the stock, but there are dudes buying cheaper ones like the older NATO ones just to FRT them. I dont know about a progressive FRT, but there's no reason why a more normative selector couldnt happen like on the Irish and Aussie AUGS/F90
does anyone sell a precut schmid 2 stage
>>64184318Seems like it may be out of spec. Someone recommended just lubing it. I'm not sure how and why, but its working now.
>>64172971I honestly hope most of RBT's legislative weight is spent on Atrius. They were served more than 2 months before ASdesigns and put out a faulty product. The ARC is going to be the standard going forward.
>Atrius trigger arrived yesterday.>I put it in my gun today.>Realize my fucking aero precision lower has a high shelf so it can't enter forced reset mode.Just kill me
