>>64162426
Neat but expensive.

>>64162426
It's the best service handgun on the market. Immediately knew 9mm was obsolete after the first magazine. Such an easy and accurate gun to shoot.

I carry mine daily. I no longer own 9mm. 5.7 and 44 mag serve all my handgun needs.

>>64162426
I'm gonna get one.

>>64162426
I prefer 9mm

Any frangible 5.7 with some ballistics gell demonstrations? Asking for an imaginary friend.

>>64162426
For people who want .22 magnum but that reliably fires and loads from large magazines.
Not bad, but would need to be full power in the P90 as originally intended to really shine.

>>64162426
bore axis too high
recoil too high
boolit too small


great trigger and plastic slide is really nice. Looks super cool. well built and easy to clean. Grip is comfortable until you start shooting. IDK how they made this gun have as much felt recoil as a Glock 22 tho.

is the (limited) AP potential worth it to civilians. almost certainly NO. learn to aim for the head. You aren't exactly hitting 30 yard shots with a handgun anyway.

5.7mm is also pretty much impossible to reload

>>64162426
I remember using it in counter strike

>>64162426
Too big to grip for manlets

>>64162468
Yeah it is like a plinker-9mm round. That's how it felt shooting one.

>>64162426
Im not into non lethal stuff

Love me five-seven, kills Goa'uld's like a fucking champ

in an ideal and enlightened society, the cartridge would have replaced all rimfire chamberings

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>>64162525
>powerful enough to destroy simple blowback guns like the MKIV
>expensive to manufacture
>extremely long
yes, this is what should replace 22LR because feelings

>>64162426
If it's good enough for Sam Fisher, it's good enough for me.

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>>64162426
>Not a gen 3 g19
Shit

Just get a $200 tt-33 in 7.62X25 same AP ability cheep ammo by the crate. And the gun is reliable

Splinter cell conviction gave me a hardon for it

>>64162943
Fuckin based /k/ommando.

>>64162937
Bro 7.62x25 is more expensive, the fuck you on about?

>>64162446
based

>>64162511
The SGC never adopted the Five seveN, only the P90. They were still using the Beretta M9 as their sidearm into the war with the Ori.

>>64162464
Look into Elite brand ammo.

>>64163018
He's living in the 90s.

>>64162426
It sure is fucking expensive.

>>64162426
No. I want to say otherwise, but the cost is stupid. Far too many options with the same performance. If the ammo cost was comparable to 9 mm, then I could say Yes.

And, trust me, I would LOVE me some KelTec 5.7 with stripper clips. But, just No.

>>64162472
>learn to aim for the head
retarded anon discarded

>>64162472
some fuddlore dogshit

the bore axis is fine, the recoil is literally like a .22 magnum, the bullet diameter is irreverent when the projectile hits your soft, squishy, wet insides screaming at like 1800 fps like a small rifle and busts a soft cavity open that creates just as much damaged tissue as a 9mm in the same "type"

5.7 is very lethal, especially if you compared it to an actually similar cartridge like the MP7's 4.7x30 which isn't even available in a handgun and sucks anyway

>>64162426
I have a great disdain for 5.7x28 in a pistol.
That said, I do want a bolt action rifle chambered in 5.7x28. 20 inch threaded barrel, peep and post irons, scope rail. That would make me happy.

>>64164497
More barrel doesn't equate to more velocity in every instance. A 16" would get complete burn of the cartridge and be at or close to vmax. You'd get a suppressor for free essentially.

Pretty sure anschutz or whatever has them. I know they have 4.6 at least. I agree it's be a great cartridge. Would replace 22lr for me fully in that case.

I thought it was the coolest thing ever when I first got into guns like 15 years ago (was pontificating zombie apocalypse loadouts after I watched a zombie movie). But the more I learned the more I realized 5.7 is a one trick pony. Good for defeating armor that a regular pistol caliber can’t get through, and 20rd flush cap is nice, but it offers nothing else. Can’t be chambered in a compact or subcompact unless you want to throw terminal effect out the window. Iirc it’s only producing about 250-300ft*lbs from a 5” barrel.

Pistol calibers should not be bottlenecked, and if they are, it should be very slight like 9x25 Dillon.

I do think the PSA 5.7 rock is the best looking polymer pistol though. Shame I can’t get it in my state.

>>64164517
NTA. A 5.7 would keep gaining velocity until 20 inches Atleast. it is not yet at the point where the energy lost to friction eclipses that gained through acceleration. 20” would be deep in diminishing returns territory, but still.

>>64164497
They had something like that back in the day but for 221 fireball (wayyyyy moggier than 5.7)

>>64164599
Weight, recoil, trajectory, terminal effect are all pros for 5.7. No one cares about armor defeating capability except people who want you to shoot calibers that are dead relics (7.62 Tokarev / 22 TCM).

It's basically good for all of the reasons 9mm is except cost and cost doesn't really matter at the end of the day because it's more difficult to get range time than it is for me to spend $150 more per case of ammo. It's really nothing.

>>64164517
I know 16 inches will probably get you full powder burn and close to max velocity. However, I prefer the look of a longer barrel, AND I want the extra barrel length for sight radius for muh irons. I'd take a 16 inch barrel. But I _want_ a 20 inch barrel (or more, but that's just getting greedy).

>>64164517
>You'd get a suppressor for free essentially.
this is a complete lie. 10k psi is still 10k psi and would be loud as fucked when uncorked.

>>64164634
Interesting I honestly didn't think it would since it's optimized for the P90 barrel length.

There's a lot of old mini cf 22s out there. 22 hornet is a famous one too.

>>64164643
I was talking about OAL.

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>>64162426
It had the best wound channels and instant stops from any pistol round I've ever tried.
SW's 5.7 pistol is the best of breed right now, much less recoil than FN or Ruger (I didn't try PSA's yet).

>>64163588
it costs about the same as 45AARP, but no one complains about that.

>>64164647
“Optimization” can mean many things. However it never means “stops gaining velocity at this length specifically”

I recently fucked around with an internal ballistics computer trying to find the caliber and bullet length combination to maximize retained energy at 300 yards from an 8” barrel from a given case. The output you could say is “optimized” but the cartridge is inefficient af and gains 15% more energy from a mere 4” increase in barrel length. Not even in diminishing returns territory yet. So it’s like, “optimized for what though?”

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>>64162446

Bottle necked handgun rounds are PIMP in performance. The only thing I don't like about the 5.7 is how it feels in the pistol grip. It felt weird, and that's the only reason I don't own one. Alternatively I have a 357SIG. I use liberty defense ammo. It gets and avg FPS of 2300. If they made the same ammo for the 5.7 I'd be really interested to see how it shoots.

>>64164637
>weight
Hardly matters
>recoil
Fair point. This is true. I’d like to see one of those super light, light-recoiling 50gr 9mm loads compared to a 5.7.
>trajectory
Pistols are fired at ranges no greater than 25 yards, and within that range, everything has a laser-like trajectory. 0 drop 0 drift.
>terminal effect
Has the jury returned a verdict on this? All we have about its real life performance is fort hood.
>no one cares about armor
Yup. There goes its main source of merit.

>>64164637
For your average civilian, 5.7x28 out of a pistol barrel offers almost zero practical advantage over any of the most common hand gun calibers (380, 40, 9, 45). Those advantages are : capacity and low recoil.
Capacity is almost negligible. You'll reload less at the range. But for self defense anything over 5 rounds is really just gravy, and the difference between 17 rounds of 9mm and 22 rounds of 5.7x28 is meaningless for a civilian. There is literally no reasonable scenario where those 5 extra rounds in a magazine are going to make a difference.
Low recoil does lend to faster follow up shots, but the most important shot in self defense is the first shot. I can see this as being a big advantage for those that are recoil adverse for whatever reason (medical or otherwise). So for that particular niche I can see it shine. But that's a small niche.
5.7 (again, out of a pistol barrel) has no advantage in terminal effects on target. It's doing the same as any other round : ice picking.
It is at a disadvantage in : cost, ammunition loadings/choice, gun variety/choice, ease of reloading, local availability, etc.
In short, it may be a good choice for _you_; but for the vast majority of shooters it simply isn't a good or advantageous choice for them. I know it isn't for me.
Oh, I almost forgot. 5.7 is flatter shooting, but for civilian distances it doesn't matter.

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>>64162426
the original one is cool but the new one is boring and ugly, I dont know what the fuck they were thinking. I kinda want to buy the original one just out of FOMO because of how stupid and ugly the new one looks

>>64164665
>it costs about the same as 45AARP,
No, it doesn't.
https://ammoseek.com/

Useful until you get to the island and the ganados start carrying metal shields.

>>64164732
Weight matters a lot to me. I can carry a fully loaded gun that weighs less than an empty gun of equivalent size. I used to carry stainless 1911s, then a 92fs, then a P32. Weight is a pretty big deal to me for comfort moreso than size since I live in a state where open carry is common and printing doesn't matter.
>Recoil
I suspect 50gr liberty recoils less simply because the legacy guns weigh more.
>Trajectory
It matters a lot to me since it's replaced 22lr as a hunting firearm for me. It's superior to a full size 22lr rifle on anything yotes down and with subs I can shoot as quiet as something as a MK4 tactical while having centerfire reliability.

You're looking at it exclusively from a tactical point of view and discounting it when in reality the civilian use case is greater than a military where handguns don't even matter. In the civilian world I can have the equivalent of a full size 22wmr rifle or a suppressed 22lr pistol with a mag change. That's huge for people who aren't exclusively punching paperml.

>>64164738
See>>64165426

>>64162426
Price too high now that theres alternative justasgood models for almost half the price

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>>64164753
Do it, the new one is ugly as fuck.

>>64162426
cute toy. I have a walther P22 though so I don't need one of these.

swag

>>64162426
Beautiful gun. Not the current model tho. Current model is ass-ugly.

>>64162472
>recoil too high
nigga what?

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>>64162426
just remember to disable the magazine safety

>>64165434
I'm >>64164738
And please pay attention to the qualifiers that I very specifically and carefully chose : "average civilian" "out of a pistol barrel" "In short, it may be a good choice for _you_; but for the vast majority of shooters it simply isn't a good or advantageous choice for them."
If 5.7x28 was half the round its fanboys seem to think it is then it would dominate the market. It doesn't dominate the market. If you believe this is because everyone who owns a gun (and especially those 9mm losers) is an idiot, then you need to look in a mirror to see the real flaw in your "logic".

>>64166028
Gets me every time.

>>64166013
9 mm is same wound for cost less. That's why 5.7x28 isn't as popular.

>>64162426
Not enough barrel length to get full performance out of the round, 10" minimum is needed. Even so, it's not really viable as an all around duty round. It doesn't penetrate over 12" which is the minimum FBI requirement, and sucks against light barriers like car doors and windshields. It deflects easily, it simply lacks the mass to perform how a handgun round should be performing. It would be very good as a survival rifle round. If it weren't so expensive, my survival rifle setup would be a P90. Nice small package to fit in a backpack and a single mag is 50 rounds. It has it's place but not where it wants to be. Unfortunately, it's a piece of shit for human defense and especially anything like a bear.

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>>64165994

FN took care of that for me

>>64166788
the gen 1 is such a vibe

>>64167485
If it’s good enough for Sam Fisher and Leon Scott Kennedy it’s good enough for you

>>64166788
>they had something this cool and turned it into >>64164753

i hate FDE guns i hate FDE guns i hate FDE guns

>>64166585
>It doesn't penetrate over 12" which is the minimum FBI requirement
requirement for what? dumping all your energy in the first few inches is the platonic ideal for a CC weapon
>sucks against light barriers like car doors and windshields
does it? all the results I'm seeing indicate it doesn't struggle at all. I do see one video where it enters one door but fails to exit the opposite door, but again, killing the cars occupants without endangering pedestrians on the other side is the platonic ideal.

>>64162426
so shitty it gets lapped by fucking cheap Rugers and smith and wesson MP when they decided to make one in that shitty meme caliber

>>64167518
Those two copied it more than 20 years later after both the design and the round matured completely, even the same form factor

>>64162943
Teen me was disappointed when I found out it doesn't come with the built in suppressor like Sam's does.

>>64162426
Luv it. I have a ruger 57 and its my favorite gun to shoot. I want to get a p50 to slap a stuff and things kit on but there's never a sale.

>>64162472
>great trigger
You are smoking rocks. I carry one and it is a dogshit trigger for a SAO hammer fired pistol.

>>64167518
>Lapped
>Near exact copy
LMAO I don't think so. Also they gave it heavy steel mags because they're retarded.

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Reminder it doesn't even fully penetrate a skull from point blank

Way too big

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It's an ok gun but the ammo prices can eat a dick

>>64164738
I'm going to make the designated boomer post for 40sw.

Shooters reference common loads.
1.)
Bullet - 135gr Nosler JHP
Powder - Longshot Hodgon
Start load:
8.5 gr
1,241 fps
25,100 psi
Max load:
11.5 gr
1,434 fps
31,900 psi

Ideal max load: 1,380 fps
Energy: 571 ft lbs
2.)
Bullet - 155gr Hornady XTP
Powder - Longshot Hodgon
Start load:
7.5 gr
1,129 fps
24,900 psi
Max load:
9.3 gr
1,283 fps
31,900 psi

Ideal max load: 1,220 fps
Energy: 512 ft lbs
3.)
Bullet - 165gr Sierra JHP
Powder - Longshot Hodgon
Start load:
7.3 gr
1,129 fps
29,600 psi
Max load:
7.8 gr
1,185 fps
33,400 psi

Ideal max load: 1,145 fps
Energy: 480 ft lbs
4.)
Bullet - 180gr Hornady XTP
Powder - Longshot Hodgon
Start load:
6.5 gr
1,009 fps
25,000 psi
Max load:
8.0 gr
1,159 fps
32,300 psi

Ideal max load: 1,110 fps
Energy: 492 ft lbs
5.)
Bullet - 97gr Inceptor S RNP
Powder - 572 Winchester
Start load:
9.0 gr
1,426 fps
25,700 psi
Max load:
10.4 gr
1,626 fps
33,800 psi

Ideal max load: 1,570 fps
Energy: 530 ft lbs
6.)
Bullet - 88gr Inceptor S ARX
Powder - 572 Winchester
Start load:
9.1 gr
1,469 fps
25,200 psi
Max load:
10.8 gr
1,673 fps
33,200 psi

Ideal max load: 1,610 fps
Energy: 506 ft lbs

Around half of off the shelf 10mm auto loads are near parity or lower performing than common 40sw carry loads which are only 50% more expensive per round than 10mm target loads. The same reference site has the fastest 80gr .357 SIG load at about 1,744 fps for reference.

if they fancy techical velocity doesn't work and they are stupid enough to get shot 5 or 7 times the minimilustic weight will surely add some clobbling power to hitting them with it.

>>64175747
at least the lightweight polymer consctruction will make them think, wow you hit me so hard with a object they're gonna be like oh no you shot me 5 or 7 times. I'm just going to try to tackle you while I bleed to death. my family will get one of those buy it on tv get one buy one deals

>>64162426
Gg

>>64175749
Not even getting into levels of effectiveness I will straight up walk into machine gun fire before getting put in a submarine.

>>64175765
Drag my entire family out into the mud shoot them individually and tell them it's my fault, fucking do it. all of them.

>>64164654
why'd you kill this lil nigga
you're going to hell

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>>64164753
what the FUCK
they answered the call?

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>>64164753
>legally distinct fn five seven
>its made by fn

>>64162446
USA picked Sig p320. lol

seems like a no brainer, but I guess give the Ruger a chance due to grip shape.

do a PDW version based on that Czech/Uzi design with folding stock.

>>64164753
I bought this one just because it comes with an optics cut. I'm gonna shoot it for the first time this weekend since I think it would be easy for my gf to handle.

>>64176525
I diddled one, prefer the ruger for ergo sake

>>64176525
Ope, sorry, forgot the other part of that. Wife loves 57, its a full sized pistol she can shoot all day, fits in woman hands well, and puts good rounds where they need to be quickly

>>64162426
5-7 is pretty good. Makes for a long shift, but of you're doing 7 on, 7 off, it can be awesome. Plus you usually have time to run errands either before or after work, since most businesses are open while you're off. Assuming that's 5p-7a overnight, of course. 5a-7p lets you have a more normal sleep schedule, but no time to do anything unless you have a day off.

>>64162426
Waiting on the Five-eighT

>>64162426
probably costs the same dollar amount in raw materials and manufacturing time as a PSA Rock or Ruger 57, but is routinely sold for twice the price. It's a nice gun, but it is completely outclassed by it's competitors.If it cost half as much as it did I'd be interested.

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>>64162426
Kickass gun, but you need money.

t. have one.

>>64164753
Why'd they put suppressor-height sights on it if it doesn't have a threaded muzzle?

>>64179119
What about it do you like? Range nearby doesn't have one to try

>>64179406
It's reliable, light weight, accurate, low recoil, and of course has high capacity. I also like where the safety is since it makes you use your trigger finger to engage it.

I don't like that it has a magazine safety, it won't shoot without a seated magazine. Also the brass is thin and gets beat up too badly to reliably reload. Reloads out of the rifle are a lot better, but not ideal.

>>64164654
S&W 5.7 is gigabased, internal hammer fired so the trigger pull is SEXO. Gas operated so you can 1) reload as much as you want because the polymer coating that delays the action isn't required, and 2) load hotter ammo since it doesn't blow out case necks anymore. I've got brass that's survived 10+ loads firing just fine.
Ive gotten some handloads that are going 2500fps out of a 5 inch barrel That punch through pistol rated bulletproof glass and IIIa soft armor.

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>>64162426
I could get into 5.7 if smith and wesson would make a little m&p rifle that looks just like pic related and that it will also have a way to accept the m&p pistol mags

>>64162747
I'm going to pet your head in, little dude.

>>64162426
Not fast enough velocities to make the light bullet weight worth it, you're not gonna get the cavitation or fragmentation of even the stubbiest 8.5" barreled AR15. IMO the 7.62mm Tokarev is the only viable approach to a small bore service pistol.

>>64179440
Dugan Ashley said that the Smith & Wesson offering was incredible.
I just thought that was interesting considering his background in arms manufacturing.

>>64180384
I would unironically fuck with this so hard

>>64167503
it has nothing to do with FDE and everything to do with the shape of the gun

>>64167506
.380 will do the same and is much cheaper

>>64164755
You're right 5.7 is cheaper than 45.
Carry ammo, Speer gold dot for both calibers is 80c a round. That's the exact same.
Range ammo, 5.7 Fiocchi 40c a round and 45 Fiocchi is 56c a round.

>>64162472
>learn to aim for the head
lmao

>>64183230
Why you gotta be so disingenuous my 11 herbs and spices?
All rounds cited are brass case, new manufacture, and are not specialty promotions with purchase limits :
45 acp fmj starts at 26.2 cents per round.
45 acp hollow points start at 32.6 cents per round
5.7x28 fmj starts at 38.0 cents per round
5.7x28 hollow points start at 40.0 cents per round

When you cherry pick your numbers from a publicly available source it means you're going to get called out for cherry picking. Please abandon reality you poster child for abortion.

>>64164753
yuck
OP picrel is way better

>>64186316
Nice picrel, bro.

>>64179119
hand size ???

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Just boughted a S&W Five Seven because of this thread

https://www.luckygunner.com/lounge/is-5-7x28mm-just-overpriced-22-magnum-part-1/

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>>64180384
Isn't that just the .colt MARS

>>64162446
Based. A true main character.

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>>64162426
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5JTyDx7-rI

>>64190756
NTA. 5.56MARS ≠ 5.7x28. 5.56 MARS is more like a 5.56 from a MK18’s barrel.

>>64176543
> fits in woman hands well

But when I remark that it’s possible to feed something more potent through the grip, anons bemoan that the grip will be too big. No the fuck it won’t, but it would preclude girls from comfortably handling the gun, which is fine because girls don’t kill people - guns aren’t for them anyways.

>>64162426
>the pistol
Cool. Expensive. Apparently a couple of people have had problems with mag overinserting, especially with older mags, and allegedly the trigger isn't so great. Never seen it myself so I can't confirm. Looks like the grip texture could be improved but beyond that it looks fine to me.
>the round
I wouldn't. That dry lube they put on the round apparently gathers dirt after awhile.
>so don't leave your rounds in the dirt, idiot
I just don't like additional problems/X-factors getting presented in the equation in exchange for vanishingly small gains in performance. I want my handgun in handgun to do handgun things. Anything beyond is asking a bit much of ballistics, mettalurgy, materials science, and physics.

>>64192440
>*handgun in handgun caliber
>*metallurgy
Can't type today.
>>64164654
Always see your kills around, good shoots. Got some questions:
>have you ever tested 5.7 on any medium-sized game, such as deer? if so, how was its performance?
>have you tested the terminal ballistics difference between pistol and rifle? if so, was there any *practical* difference?
>ditto for barrel lengths on the rifle-- is the SBR worth it?

>>64189367
Based and 5.7 pilled. You need to make it your entire personality and trash 9mm homos whenever possible. 20cpr 5.7 soon!

>>64190884
Why didn't he mention Ft. Hood?

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>>64190756
Those rounds could easily fit into something the size of a Five-SeveN (or AMT Automag)

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I shot my five seven for the second time today and holy shit I love the round it uses
It's so damn easy to get decent groupings once you adjust the sights

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>>64189367

>>64162426
>>64162446
I'm an ESL no gunz (only own four guns), lend me a hand on this.

1-This caliber was thought to penetrate body armor, the intended used was to be used by the P90 by rear echelon units against VEH DEH VEHs

2-The diameter and the length of the barrel when fired from the pistol doesn't allow you to take full advantage of the potential of the caliber

3-what used can you get from a caliber intended to penetrate body armor when fired from a gun that doesn't take advantage of the full potential of the cartridge

4-why not just use 9mm, .40, 10mm or .45 HJP against blackfor and brownfor

>>64194001
Is this actually the best 5.7mm gun?

>>64194223
It's had some issues early on, yet to see if they've been corrected.

>>64194223
It's got some interesting engineering

>>64194259
It heard it's gas operated, which in theory reduces the recoil and enables direct threading of suppressors. That might be cool.

>>64194261
It is gas operated but it is not necessarily direct thread.
You direct thread the can onto the gas tube.
The barrel has the gas port and piston machined right onto the outside of it and it sits inside of the gas tube.
Really interesting design and I am curious as to the baffle strike potential of worn piston rings.

>>64164654
Is that a Delta P can?

>>64164654
rip bober

bump

>>64194089
1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. It's still able to penetrate IIIa at self defensive ranges with the right ammo.
4. Fort Hood shooting showed that 5.7mm is just as good as any other pistol round. Therefore, 5.7mm is the best because it has less recoil and more magazine capacity.

>>64162426
It would be neat to take out a mass shooter wearing body armour, it's shit at everything else.

>>64162472
>recoil too high
It's slightly higher than my TX22 you noguns thirdie.

>>64184123
Nta but stfu noguns. I own .45s and a Five-seveN and I actually shoot my guns and decent 5.7 range and defense ammo is always cheaper than .45.

>>64175890
fr I never understood the appeal of slaughtering cute little animals like this. Seems really psychotic imo

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>>64200296
Your personal experience does not trump publicly available facts.
Also, you may suck the worm dirt from my sphincter, 11 herbs and spices.
Now post one of yours.

>>64200296
>decent 5.7 range ammo is cheaper than 35 cpr (.45 factory bulk ammo)
really now

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>>64200296
>decent 5.7 range and defense ammo is always cheaper than .45.
NTA, but looking up range ammo will lead anyone here to believe that you are a big stinky liar.

>>64171821
it killed him pretty fuckin dead. Did some report say the bullet didn't actually go into his skull?