Boeing releases their F/A-XX rendering. It also has canards?
>>64185437they're making planes larger than aircraft carriers???????
>>64185450https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDdl-Er0qIY
>>6418543715 years ago the render queen was chinaoh how things got reversed lmao
>You've got another CG render?
>>64185578and to think back in 2020 when j20 started its serial production us defence crooks were saying>our prototypes are flying already for 5 years(meaning 2015) and in december we found out that the airforce not only didnt had a single prototype they didnt even had a designed picked LOLmeanwhile china has now what? 4 6th gens flying?
>>64185578>dosen't know what concept art isDumbass.
>>64185687>j20Shitty 4.5 with underpowered engines and such shit handing that canards are needed so it wouldn't be a brick. >6th genImplessive.
>>64185687Why are you so butthurt chinky?
>>64185687what define those prototype, if they can even be called so, as "6th gen" ?
>>64185687Chang can't tell the difference between a prototype and LRIP model on his own planes
>>64185437>red lines indicating the geometric inconsistency>no mention of the halo 1 graphics on the canopy
Tinman
>china flies multiple prototypes>JEWSA still just releasing blurred images of concept art
>>64185921NGAD has been flying since 2020 you bugUncle Sam just has the restraint and decorum to keep things quiet
>>64185921When you try so hard it has the opposite effect.
>>64185928I fucked Taylor Swift last night while his fiance was watching, and even recorded a sextape. But I have restraint and decorum to keep things quiet.
>>64186018Doesn't work when you say it like that, Chang.>U-2>SR-71>F-117>B-2>F-22All with years between their first flights a d public unveilings. Why should the NGAD be different?
>>64185437Total Eurocanard victory.
>>64185492Perspective can't exist on a 2D plane doofus.This Boeing picture just prove the limitations of AI generated imagery.
>>64186085
>>64186018>taylor swift>hisThis anon knows too much.
>>64186126source?
>>64185437There's no canards involved; both lines are the leading edge of the same wing. New model propels itself via micro teleportation (hence the "fog"; displaced atmosphere).
>>64185928>NGAD has been flying since 2020 you bugDo you have any evidence of that?
It's so funny how chinks act so smug about the 47 but we didn't know basically jack shit about the B-21 until they revealed it and the fact that it was already in full production
>>64185687yeah bro china has 6th gen aircraft and SU 69 Femboy can go to space
>>64186126And what's that drawing from /x/ is uspposed to show?
>>64185687Peak ESL writing
>>64186372>EVIDENCE?>PLOOF?The evidence is that the US has been doing secret shit several times for 70 years and always delivered, we're lucky to even hear about the NGAD existing at all.
>>64186517So you don't have any, meanwhile the chinks are flying theirs openly. Got it. GOD, I love seeing the US slowly crumbling down.
>>64186525>Deflection without reading >Random off-topic ramblingsMental retardation, ESL, or both? The statement from 2020 literally says they have the full scale demonstrator flying. This is exactly the same phase China is at right now, unless you want to discuss the phases of engineering with me.
>>64185437Left line is the bottom of the plane not a side edge, it goes under the wings
>>64186517Has anyone ever figured out what Boeing's Black Diamond actually is? All the news articles say it's just a digital manufacturing process and the "diamond" is just representative of 4 key processes in the design phase. But why did Ash Carter tour the facility and refuse to speak about any of it in 2015?https://breakingdefense.com/2015/09/carter-tours-boeings-black-diamond-is-it-a-key-to-lrsb/Seems a whole lot like some sort of advanced composite manufacturing facility and not just some C-Suite workflow bullshit
>>64185719NTA but this is a fucking 6th generation fighter it doesn't need concept art, especially not this faggy fucking hide it behind a cloud hype baiting nonsense. If this is what gets blood pumping at the DOD they need to be tried for treason. Arms manufacturers serving state contracts should not be engaging in theater, they should be getting results and if management absolutely needs to show something off it should be something slightly more tangibly impressive than a fat looking jet in a transsonic privacy veil.
>cloudcraftliteral vaporware
>>64185687yeah it's crazy how china already has 10 different 7th gens flying, the west has fallen
>>64186629I think the former is likely, if I had to hazard a guess I think it's a major part of the less fragile base for RAM coatings of the F-35.
>>64186707Something. Is Boeing a coating vendor for the F-35? I know Phantom Works built a new coating facility in AZ before the NGAD contract award ever came out like they expect to be coating a metric fuckton of planes. I also know that Phantom Works mm has been working on a fancy polymer metamaterial coating for something since 1999.
>>64186773The RAM coating isn't, it's by LM and subcontracted to NG, but the composite base itself could be by them considering they are a subcontractor for the fuselage and wings.
>>64185437>Boeing releases their F/A-XX renderingpic relatedits the navies new fighter
>>64186707>fragile base for RAM coatings of the F-35.>>64186773>Is Boeing a coating vendor for the F-35?yes^
>>64186568>The statement from 2020 literally says they have the full scale demonstrator flyingI have a statement about how your mom sucks my cock, does that make it true? In this case yes, but it's beside the point. The US doesn't have a real 6th gen prototype flying and it's obvious, otherwise Trump would've already showed it.
>>64187012>The US doesn't have a real 6th gen prototype flying and it's obvious, otherwise Trump would've already showed it.we do.....but its more of a stop-gap than anything else
>>64187012>The US doesn't have a real 6th gen prototype flying and it's obvious, otherwise Trump would've already showed it.We're not China. There is no need for such theatrics.
>take yf-23 thrust vectorless aerodynamics aspirations>combine with f-22 planiform and engine (relative peformance for weight, not the actual f119)>remove tail>morph into a mix of delta and bwb shape>sprinkle on modern stealth, modern computerCongrats there's your 6th gen. Whether the 47 or faxx have canards or cockwarmers, irrelevant.
>>64187008>RAM coating got dirty so its literally over for the west Maybe get an F-35 equivalent operating off a carrier first and then we can talk about RAM coatings. Loser.
>>64187012>showedShown*, go back to school.
>>64187036>Maybe get an F-35 equivalent operating off a carrier firstlmao does the US even have that yet?
>>64187012>showed>TrumpSo it's both then. You Chink faggots cannot think about anything in terms other than false equivalence and can only imagine understanding the superior American psyche.
>>64187063>lmao does the US even have that yet?lmao, my post must have really stung considering your nonsensical reply.
>>64187028>There is no need for such theatrics.Yeah...
>>64187083>celebrating the Armys 250th birthday >theatrics If you must seethe, please do so quietly.
>>64187072can you show me the active-duy carrier wing of F35's?
>>64187093>can you show me the active-duy carrier wing of F35's?Navy has VFA-147, VFA-97, VFA-86, and VFA-115. Marines have VMFA-314 and VMFA-311. Next cope?
>>64187090Anon, look better
>>64187127>Anon, look betterThats the best you could come up with? Seems I've achieved a conversational TKO.
>>64187134Lol, you finally noticed the big ass Coinbase advertisement and got so embarassed that you have to pretend to be clueless. It's ok, I accept your defeat.
>>64187140>we have no need for these theatrics>B... but you celebrated the Armys 250th birthday! >not theatrics>B...but the event had sponsors! As I said, conversational TKO.
>plwease buy my shitcoin>t POTUS
>>64187161>gets utterly and completely btfo >pivots to a new critique Seething is best done in silence. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
>>64187151So you don't see anything wrong with having a crypto scam as the main sponsor for such an event? Damn. I guess the US is just that far gone. In that case I apologize since we clearly have very different values. I accept my defeat with your splendid "conversational TKO".
>>64187169Initially you argued that the US engages in the same theatrics China does. Having totally lost that argument, you're now you're deeply concerned about who sponsored an event? I understand that you hold a deep, seething, resentment to the US. However, in our culture you "lose face" be showing the resentment. Its an admission of weakness. So, please, respect yourself enough to seethe in silence.
>>64187168I'm not that anon, retard.And your self-awareness has a country-size blind-spot.
>>64187188>I'm not that anon, retard.Yes, how convenient. >And your self-awareness has a country-size blind-spotDon't confuse my lack of caring for a lack of self-awareness.
>>64187193>I don't care if it's my country>AH BUT CHAYNASure pal.
This chink got so btfo that he changed topics 4 different times and completely ignored the facts that shut down every point he bought up lmao
>>64187199Ah but China what? Calm down and use your words.
>>64187181>Initially you argued that the US engages in the same theatrics China doesWhich is true as I already have proven. With TACO in command there is very little difference between Bugland and Muttland.>you're now you're deeply concerned about who sponsored an event?If anything it's you who is being disingenuous precisely because I proved you wrong. Just to make you save face I even conceded you my defeat, what do you want more from me? Or you feel like you need to continue replying to me because it's obvious to anyone that you don't have a leg to stand on?
>>64187203this post here >>64187112 was his undoing. Broke him at a cellular level.
>>64187203>changed topics 4 different timesI don't think you understand what an example is and how it's different than changing the argument. If anything the one who changed arguments here is you, because you're too scared to admit you were wrong.
>>64187214>Which is true as I already have provenHow did you prove that? >With TACO in command there is very little difference between Bugland and Muttland.While I appreciate that you're eternally upset about the current POTUS, you have not proven this point - not even remotely. >Or you feel like you need to continue replying to me because it's obvious to anyone that you don't have a leg to stand on?I continue replying because you're seething, and its funny.
>>64187224It's the problem with trying to have a discussion with americans nowadays. They are just too insecure and have resorted to the same behaviour chinks have online.
>>64187224Sorry your ESL ass can't tell that I'm NTA, I'm just here to laugh at you.
>>64187224>America is exactly the same as CHYNA because they had a parade to celebrate the Army's 250th birthday and this is Trumps fault. >no actually they are the same as china because they had sponsors for the parade (????) This man has been broken.
>>64187237I'm nta as well, why are you replying to me? Are you an ESL?
i blame sseth and nick mullen for the 'pro-china' edgy kids on the internet
>>64187235Samefag.
>>64187240>has to resort to Strawman LMAO
>>64187242>I'm nta as wellOkay, Chang. No one is buying the french larp.
>>64187246>everyone is the same guy!>>>/reddit/
>>64187242>If anything the one who changed arguments here is you, because you're too scared to admit you were wrong.>no no that's not mewat
>>64187250Okay, define your argument. Be specific.
>>64187257No, not everyone. Just (You).
>>64187231>The US does not make theatrics!>ignores crypto scam sponsored Army march that ends up embarassing the nation>ignores small dick posturing by Trump when his daddy comes to see him>ignores the circus that the WH has becomeI mean, you can do the ostrich all you like, it's no skin off my back. While your skin was already stolen by a rabbi
>>64187203So we can go back to how the US doesn't have a single 6th gen program actually flying right now?
>>64187288Yes. The US does not do theatrics. These:>ignores crypto scam sponsored Army march that ends up embarassing the nation>ignores small dick posturing by Trump when his daddy comes to see him>ignores the circus that the WH has becomeAre not "theatrics". What they are is you being upset at the current admin.
>>64187300Neither does China.
>>64187300I don't know why you chinks think >lmao you dont have a new plane, prove it!Is going to ever work as an intel gathering tactic.
>>64187312And that's why ameriretards do this kind of baits: https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64173798
>>64187303So, just for the record. You don't see anything wrong with the 250th Anniversary of the US Army's march being sponsored by a crypto scam? I would like a simple yes or no answer.
>>64187321>You don't see anything wrong with the 250th Anniversary of the US Army's march being sponsored by a crypto scam? I would like a simple yes or no answer.No and I don't accept your definition of "Crypto Scam".
>>64187328That's enough for me lmao
>>64187311If that's what makes you sleep at night, who am I to contradict you.
>>64187346>>64187335cope however you must.
>>64187335All markets are zero sum markets at the end of the day.If an investment holdings company is a scam they get dealt with see: Bankman-Freid.If a particular crypto is a scam, as most are, that's an entirely separate thing from an investment holder managing your buys and sells of your free choice of asset.Now let's keep talking about a plane nobody knows anything about, and if they do they won't be posting it on war thunder forums any time soon.
>>64187140>>64187169>>64187288>>64187321This would make more sense if BTC wasn't 10% off it's alltime highs and Coinbase wasn't raking $6.5B in revenue. It's literally just any other company that sponsors US Military events.
Given that this thread is about planes, I think we should define "theatrics" as "publicly unveiling warplanes in development in order to make an impression on an audience." Developing new warplanes is a specific endeavor, and broader statements about cultural norms are just shitflinging.America has a history of developing new warplanes and then only acknowledging them once they're in full production or even not until afterwards. I don't personally believe we have a meaningful concept of a 6th gen fighter is yet, but if the answer is "a faster, heavier, stealthier 5th gen," then absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
>the cope continues
>>64187389>ATF/F-22 program began in 1982, it had a very public demostration during the late 1980s and you could even play F-22's games +5 years before it was in service or its IOC.bruhAnd to not mention the B-2, JST or B-21
>no proof of NGAD>lol, ur just a chinkoidpathetic
>>64187389>I don't personally believe we have a meaningful concept of a 6th gen fighter is yet, but if the answer is "a faster, heavier, stealthier 5th gen," then absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.Other way around. We have platforms - in the form of the X-planes. We just dont actually know what we want conceptually in a 6th Gen so the existing x-planes are no bueno. Because, you know a project usually goes concept -> requirements -> prototype -> platform but we have old concept -> prototype -> concepts ->???? >>64187441Chinkoid, Armatard, warriortard. All one in the same. The holy trinity of permaonline.
>>64187419The SR-71 was flying covert missions under a separate designation for two full years before being acknowledged. The F-117 was seven years from first flight to acknowledgement, and then saw action the following year. We still haven't acknowledged the stealth helicopter we crashed raiding Bin Laden fourteen years ago. Either the US is capable of developing weapons quietly, or we're capable of putting out top of the line military aircraft on demand.
>>64187507>The SR-71 was flying covert missions under a separate designation for two full years before being acknowledged. The SR-71 got its name before its first flight because a retarded president wanted to impress the public... The cancelled YF-12 was known even before that.> flying covert missions under a separate designation for two full years before being acknowledged. The more secretive A-12 of the CIA didn't enter in service until years and the only reason for its cover was the use of the SR-71 to hide a tree in a forest.Ryan drones were more secretive than the Blackbird family.
>>64187559until years after the information of the Blackbird was leaked*
>>64187477>want proof of an actual plane flying>ur just (enter schizo /k/celeb here)!
>>64187559>The more secretive A-12 of the CIA didn't enter in service until years after the information of the Blackbird was leakedA conspicuous lack of a year in this statement. And by "leak," I hope you mean "intentionally flying it slowly, at low altitudes, over populated areas, during the day." That's the behavior we're looking at with the Chinese in this discussion. Whispers and conjecture about a classified plane developed for a publicly known project that nobody's seen yet is exactly where we are with NGAD. >>64187477>We just dont actually know what we want conceptually in a 6th Gen so the existing x-planes are no bueno.This is what I meant, thank you. Especially as microsats proliferate, it's hard to tell if the bet is on network integrity or suppression. If integrity wins then the most important thing is winning the energy fight. If suppression wins then achieving and maintaining suppression is the most important thing. Threat concentration or dispersion; high and fast and low and slow; out-numbered or out-performed.
>>64187730>A conspicuous lack of a year in this statement. Use wiki dumbass.>YF-12A Its existence was publicly revealed by President Lyndon B. Johnson on 24 February 1964;
>>64185437why are they hyping this up like its a new sports car or something?
>>64186344It all started here: https://x.com/OptimoPrincipi/status/1118221752830779392
>>64187898At $300 million per unit sold advertising is basically free.
>>64186657>thinks designs stay the same as their concept artDumbass.
>>64187288>reeeeeee Keep going,this is funny. >stolen by a rabbi>thinks thisYou're legitimately stupid.
>>64185606you've got another bodykit?
>>64185578>angry thirdie tries new metodichka>it doesn't workwhy are you so mad?
>>64186525>so while you're building real 6th gens and keeping them secret, china is parading around 4th gen bodykit prototypes low and slow over populated areas because they're scared and doing their blowfish routine. got it.yep, you got it, angry and identified chinkshill.
>>64187288>shilling for china has failed>thread suddenly pivots to american politicsyou're losing more face, chinkshill.
>>64187008>carrier air wing that's been at sea for 8 months develops surface corrosionI'm actually asking, not just trolling (though I'm doing that too), but has a Chinese carrier ever spent 8 days at sea? Like in a row?
>>64185726>>64185784>>64185795>>64185851>>64186413>>64186477>>64186686>>64188904peak coping mechanism
>>64188954from pro-china shills, yes>b-but i replied to everyone, w-why am i still losing?!terminal contrarians are born to be losers, sorry kiddo.
>>64188936The longest I could find for an operational deployment was 24 days by the Liaoning in 2021, with the next in line being a 16 day deployment by the Shandong last year. I'm genuinely shocked, I just assumed it'd be more cause every other navy has had at least half year deployments.To put that number into perspective: how the fuck did the Russians get quadruple that time in Syria 2017 for active combat even with their dumpster fire of a carrier?
>>64188936Its not even surface corrosion. Its just dirty. Salt + jet exhaust. You cant clean an F-35 in the same way you can clean a Bug. Thats it.
>>64189023Bongs have now twice (TWICE) sailed a carrier into the South China Sea. China has yet to put a carrier in the Atlantic. I dont think they have even put on in the Indian Ocean yet.
>>64189023>chinks literally can't deploy for longer than a monthwow, jesus lmao, they're fucked.
>>64189027this is the retarded thinking that made americans the laughing stock of this planetno the retarde chinks have 3 operational and 5 more on the pipeline currently being built just to place them on scsjesus fucking christ you people are insufferable
>>64190805>5 more on the pipeline currently being built just to place them on scsEven the biggest shills know that only one aircraft carrier is being built right now, they haven't decided if the others will be the same design or something new, and it still takes 5+ years to make one.What good is more carriers when they're so incompetent they can't operate them for more than a month at a time and you get laughingstock events like picrel
>>64190805>10 hours bump for this seething post You sound very mad chinktoid
>>64189023>>64190888I did a bit of extra reading and found more embarrassing numbers, even the jeets got 26 days with their shitbox hand-me-down of a carrier. Didn't know they even had one, but thai ladyboys did humanitarian operations with their carrier for over a month in 2004.
>The F/A-XX design’s cockpit appears to have a similar shape to the F-47. The Navy version’s radome appears significantly smaller than the wide radome of the Air Force fighter, which appears to lead to two canards. Previously released Boeing Navy concepts had shown a tail-less fighter.We have F-47 at home.
>>64187025This and StarShip
>>64185437whats the hold up with the navy contract
>>64192093Seemingly budget games, they knew Congress liked it so took it out of the budget and put it on the UPL to use the money on stuff they knew wouldn’t get extra money thrown at them if excluded from the budget. Seems to have worked so far, House and Senate subcommittees have it funded at ~900 million and 1.4 billion respectively, plus iirc it got 750 million from the BBB. We’ll have to see what the final number is reconciled to, of course assuming Congress manages a budget this year and not a continuing resolution like last year, but reporting from Tailhook seems like there isn’t any doom and gloom about the program, at least among the Navy.
>The new F/A-XX concept bears a striking resemblance to Boeing’s previously released F-47 renderings. In particular, the cockpit canopy shape appears nearly identical, although it is accompanied by a smaller, narrower radome compared to the Air Force jet, which could represent an adaptation for carrier-based requirements to improve visibility while flying at high angles of attack during carrier landings.TFX my beloved. You have returned!
>>64185578It ain't Boeing if it's not shill-ing.
>>64188031nigga
>>64188897bodykit > render
>>64185437i remember when /k/ made fun of j20 for having canards, as well as the j20 size for being too huge with the tradeoff being able to carry more fuel for twice the range of a f22 and being able to carry big missiles like pl15 in its internal bay.Then f22 got stealth fuel pods to make up for its low range and DoD started funding a pl15 rival, but due to the size of the internal bay for f22 and f35, development is still ongoing and its not in active service..The chinks really thought things through..
>>64195137remember when you weren't a pathetic chinkshill?>Pl-15 rivalprobably impossible since you were never not a pathetic loser>PL-15 rivalthe PL-15 would have to be a rival to the aamraam first, but it's already worse than that missile lol
>>64185719>concept artoh no i remember quite wellhttps://www.businessinsider.com/f47-ngad-6th-generation-stealth-fighter-jet-concept-2025-3HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAAHA,
>>64185578>this post do nothing>generates more seethe than it shouldSnowflakes.
>>64196542excessive amounts of HA's like this exclusively signals that said poster is extremely mad and wants to look less angry.what are you angry about today, chinkshill?>>64196572>this post does nothingyep>generates more seethe than it shouldit hasn't generated any seethe though, chinkshill, just mockery. the only seethe appears to be coming from yourself.
>the west still fiddling with renders and promising mockups will be ready in 2036>meanwhile china already has three operational 6th gen fighters (yes, 6th gen is tailless) and a stealth bomber
>>64196669>chinkshill keeps posting exact same folder>still hasn't realized that this just makes him an identifiable lolcow and is actively hurting china's interests by being such a bad shillimagine that being your life, you're a loser who's a terminal contrarian that shills for thirdie shitholes, but then he's so bad at it that these thirdie's interests are thwarted by his incoherent and bad shilling.oh wait, you don't even need to imagine it, that's your life LMAO.
>>64196669Don't forget to mention the Euro stealth fighter program just shot itself down
>>64196697why are you talking to yourself, chinkshill?that's face-losing behaviour-3000 social credit score.
>>64196779gweilo...
>>64185450Yes, they can do that now. The new aircraft can carry up to three aircraft carriers at once.The attached video shows just how devastating such a bomb load can be.
>>64195252pl15 got superior range and speed anon... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-120_AMRAAM its the entire reason why the aim 260 is being developed, because the amraam 120D version is still inferior to that of the pl15.
>>64196868>got superior rangeaccording to china
>>64185928>NGAD has been flying since 2020Is that why every time they show a CGI render of what it looks like the CGI render changes shape and they mostly cover it with vapor clouds to hide that they have no clue what it will look like?
>>64196890i'm sorry, but YOU simply don't GET to see what it looks like, these renders aren't representative of anything, usually the people who make these don't even actually know what the real prototype looks like lmao.
