>mogs G19>LEM trigger option makes striker-fired pistols obsolete>can be had for 500 bucks
>>64189659SIG is better you dumb H&Kuck
>>64189659>500 for a LEMWhere? Only place I saw that was Gunstroker and after all the (((fees))) it was more like 600 all told
>64189664kys jeet, no (You) for you
>>64189664>SIG SAAR >>64189666turners has/had them in california.
>>64189667>>64189672evil vile Kucker shills
>>64189679>>64189664evil vile saars
>>64189672Wow even a CA gun shop is better than mine. I need to rethink my life choices.Classic SIG GmbH might be comparable (luv me P228) but that's not what Ranjesh is talking about sadly
>64189659>mogs G19>taller, longer, thicker, heavier, and holds 2 fewer rounds flush>worse trigger than a G19 in both double and single action
>>64189664>>64189679>>64189705
>>64189659*snaps in half from fall damage*
>>64189659>No longer manufactured. Production line has been shut down.
>>64189705P2000>far superior (adjustable) ergonomics>non retarded grip angle>dimensions are close enough that the P2000s superior shape makes it superior for carry>DA trigger is fine if you dont have bitch fingers, you're smoking crack if you think the SA pull is even comparable to a glockshits. >light LEM BTFOs glockshit every pull
I have one. I kinda hate it. Balanced weird and super snappy I used to carry it but replaced it with a m&p 2.0 which I really love
>>64189755>Balanced weird and super snappyGym
>>64189755i own one and it is less snappy than most compact 9s ive shot.
>>64189659Plastic pistols are the number 1 red flag that someone is a homosexual. You need to grow up man. Get a p38 or a 1911 or a cool revolver. Literally nobody cares about your plastic shite pistols, they're all the same. Every HK pistol except the CC9 was designed from the ground up to meet some irrelevant european police contract. They do not design guns for you, you just adopt them and pretend like they're relevant so you can post your overpriced plasticslop on reddit for upvotes
hey guise
>>64189802posts like this are always made by noguns literal teenagers who saw memes about the 1911
>>64189802>Every HK pistol was designed from the ground up to meet some irrelevant european police contract100% Wrong.>>64150508 <-Armorer's video explains entire history in detailwhy is /k/ filled with poseur faggotard airsoftlarp shills? Why is that
>>64189659I bought a USP compact, and I wish I got the p2000 instead. Plus the 15 round VP9 sk mags fit flush after removing the grip extention.
>>64189818That's most of this website which is why people call it a shithole
>>64189773>>64189764Yeah I know , ymmvI like the full size usp. But not this
all polymer-frame handguns are identical. it's hilarious watching you tards fling shit at each other
>>64189915Based picture.
>>64189915based as fuck
>this gun i just impulse bought thathasn't even been shipped yet just so happens to be better than everything on the market.many such threads
>>64189659>>can be had for 500 bucksHeh. Not anymore. That's what I got mine for. Now try over $2k, bucko.
>>64190120simpsons ltd still has plenty of swiss LE trade lem p2ks. you will never be a real HK user.
>>64190125>>64190125>you will never be a real HK user.We are called OPERATOR'S. Do you ever get tired of being wrong?
>>64190147never ask an 'HK owner' on /k/ which rifles they own.
stop replying to yourself or the doctor will up your anti psychotic dosage and you won't be able to goon anymore
>>64190156kek ill admit i have a p2000sk, p2000, usp45 and a....>10/22>moss 500 12ga
>>64190156Why not?
>>64189659A little less soul than the USP Compact but I'll take it.
>>64189745>Yes it's taller, longer, thicker and heavier but I like that it has a 2 degree steeper grip angle so it cancels out>P2000 triggers are so shit that the single action is longer, heavier, and grittier than even a stock glock trigger>NUH UH IT'S GOOD >light lem unlocks the capability of having the trigger be a pound heavier than a Glock but with retarded take up to make it "safe"wow bravo HK
>>64189818>plastic shite pistolsthat's a bong or indian who's never touched a gun in their lives
P2000s are pretty good, but Beretta Cheetah is cooler, even if it are less capable as a CCW.
>>64190183its not longer nor is it taller if you take off the rubber floor plate on the magazine. >P2000 triggers are so shit that the single action is longer, heavier, and grittier than even a stock glock trigger. Lol it takes a box to break in the "gritty" trigger. Everything else you said it just retarded.
>>64190120Is that your 357?
>>64190221Yup
>>64190235I converted my S&W MP40 to a 357 SIG with a match barrel. It's the most fun pistol I've ever shot. Light recoil, super boom.
>>64190265357 Sig is the most based handgun round, and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
@64189664This site would be so much better if the people of India weren't allowed to use it.
>>64189664*insert sigjak*
>>64190180>less soulsome argue it has more due to the revised grip and slidethough yes the USP Compact 45 does have sovl
>>64190207>Beretta Cheetah is coolerstraight blowbackbut yes the 81/84 are cool .380seven cooler than those is the (essentially same pistol w/full covered-barrel slide) Browning BDA 380
>>64190273>sacrifice capacity, lower cost ammo, less noise for no terminal ballistic advantageok
>>64190273>357 Sigit's a blaster round, just like 10 mmIf you have a 5-inch or greater barrel, and also load your own ammo, then yeah 'worthwhile' for urban combat or self defenseMost people ain't got time fo dat40 S&W, .45 ACP are more than enough (with plenty of excellent pistol platforms to select from) for almost every urban combat, self defense scenario
>>64190466>no terminal ballistic advantageEveryone who knows anything disagrees with you.
>>64189915based shotgun
>>64189664SAAAAAAAR DO NOT REDEEM THE P320 TRIGGER SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR
>>64190175>p2000skStill a good subcompact option (yes even over the P30SK and VP9SK), can be found on the pre-owned market
>>64189733ULTRACOMPACT>>64189745You can file the bottom of the follower down to make it fit 2 extra rounds so it has the same capacity as the Glock, but understand they do that for a reason and it's one reason why Glocks fail so much. You're not supposed to stuff the mags to absolute capacity, there's supposed to be ample room for spring compression so based HK made it not possible to overstuff them, shit tier Glonk made them wrong so they can advertise higher capacity.
>>64190183A trigger guard is just a s*fety and you don't need a s*fety. Your booger hook is the s*afety.
>>64189659Let me redpill you on the real best handgun.>top performer in torture tests, beats Glock and HK>doesn't suffer from limpwrist issue, impossible to limpwrist as demonstrated in many videos>option for a metal frame so there's no chance of it breaking like some plastic guns>option for a safety>comes in all sizes and calibers>second most popular police handgun, has good commonality>metal sights, metal mags, unfortunately still a plastic trigger and mag floorplates>affordable
>>64189814Sup ugly apx your sister is hotter
>>64190178because none of them own HK rifles duh
>>64191152>impossible to limpwristhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Firearms/comments/17mr815/can_someone_id_this_firearm_from_body_cam_footage/
>>64189664
>>64189659waow
>>64189915Zamn unc, those gats look ancient. Do they even work?
>>64191443video didnt load fast enough because reddit so im just going to assume>thumb webbing blocked the slide>knocked over while firing>finger on slide stop while firing
>>64189802>plastic shite pistols>shiteI bet you and the rest of your foreign trash noguns brethren are the primary culprits behind "strikerslop" being forced lately
>>64191207I do, but it's an SL8.
>>64189659>>64190120>>64191036Based knowers
>>64192399P2000 owner here, was looking into buying an SL8, how expensive would it be to turn it into a sub MOA rifle and how expensive would it be to modify it for double stack magazines/G36 mags
>>64189659i have one
>>64190024OP here, I have around 15k through mine, just wanted to remind everyone how much better HKs are. Their hammer guns to be more specific.
>>64192929post a pic of it then
>>64192861I have no idea. I think mine shoots maybe just under 1moa, but I have a 6x LPVO on it. More magnification and I might shoot it better. 69gr Federal Matchkings were the best groupings I've found.
>>64189659>Seriously consider getting a light LEM HK>One medium weight medium travel distance pull, ideal for carry assuming you have basic fundamentals down>Exposed hammer for extra safety during holstering, when the vast majority of NDs occur>Striker fired is now obsolete>Guess I'll just have to deal with the annoyingly large slide release, expensive mags, meme tier availability of holsters and replacement parts and the HK tax on everything>Gen 5 Glock comes out, ideal trigger for carry>Glock SCD does the exact same thing as an exposed hammer while being even less intrusive than a hammer>LEM made obsolete after only being a thing for a handful of yearsMy actual, honest, and perhaps shit, opinion on the subject.
>>64193199calling striker fire obsolete because of LEM is retarded.
>>64189659While I personally prefer the P2000 and carry mine regularlyGlock is fine
>>64192869I-is this real?
>>64190183These anons don't know shit. That's the problem. They are theortical faggots who can't shoot. All their gun theory comes from endlessly reading online. And 90% of what they read is boomers trying to justify their purchase and they take that as gospel.I switched from a USPC9 to a Glock 19, and though my USPC9 is definitely ultra reliable and better made, I don't feel the Glock has any reliability problem either. But the glock has...>longer sight radius>lighter weight>easier to detail strip and clean which is a god send to high round count shooters or people who go outdoors with their guns>better stock trigger than a USP/P2000>higher capacity >better grip (yes glock grip angle is conducive to recoil control which is why pro shooters to this day are winning with Glocks but not a single p2000, p30, or usp in sight)>way more aftermarket if there's something I want specific to me (such as holsters)And I'd much rather take my Stock Gen 3 glock trigger over my USPc9 with the match trigger installed. It's much more consistent .>INB4 learn to shoot double action I competed with a beretta and CZ for years. I dont mind DA/SA, it just sucks balls on a HK.
>>64193403>Longer sight radiusI don't currently own a 19 or equivalent glonk so I can't do a side-by-side comparison. Can't imagine it's a significant difference though.>Easier to detail stripAgree 100%. Glocks are by far the easiest handguns in the world to work on.However I have personally never needed to do anything but a basic field strip on a handgun unless I was replacing parts.>Lighter weightYesThough the importance of carry gun weight is a personal preference thing. I don't think the average person is going to notice the added 1.25 ounces.>Better triggerHere i'm just going to say that while I own handguns with better triggers I have never felt inhibited by any of the HK triggers i've used with the exception of the P8A1 which has the world's heaviest hammer spring and was genuinely miserable to shoot DA.>Higher capacityTechnically yes from the factory. However the 15rd P30SK mags are an option for the P2000. All you have to do is swap out the floorplate. Though i'm still going to give this one to Glonk hands down because you can buy 2-3 of their mags for every HK mag. >Better gripAt least in my experience the Glock grip angle does help mitigate recoil somewhat. That being said I find that the P2000 and other handguns with more 'traditional' grip angles tend to point much more naturally for me. I have also found that the P2000 is easier for me to consistently build a good grip on while drawing from concealment holsters, especially any holster with a forward cant angle. There are any number of good reasons to just buy a Glock brand Glock, it does have some definite advantages with regards to cost and availability of parts/magazines. However if you like the P2000 it's a solid handgun. Neither is going to let you down if you do your part.
>>64189659Gun from the anime noir.
>>64190466fag>>64190507Seriously why does magnum still get love but Sig just gets hate? They're the same give/take 50ish fps. Meanwhile .380/.38spl lags far less behind vanilla 9mm but caliberfags say those are useless, weak outdated cartridges. I just don't get how people can argue with numbers and expect to win.
>>64193672You're getting mixed up because you're listening to people who are trying to sell you something.Nobody can argue with 38 special because it holds the record for the highest number of incapacitated targets during a self defense shooting.
>>64189659ermmmmm based? fuck striker fags
>glockused by world champion competitive shooters and every relevant special forces group on earth>p2000has literally never won any competition of note, and has only been adopted by border patrol and Rutherford, New Jersey police departmentkek
>>64193672The most based man in existence. Proving 357 sig is the best.
>>64194274By 2001 when the P2000 was introduced global police forces and military already lived in GlockKleenexToyotaCamryWorld.Glocks are dollarstore lowest-common-denominator generic handguns that's why military procurement and police forces 'like' them (for lowest-common-denominator personnel), they take a licking and keep ticking like Timex. Does that mean Timex is "better than" Seiko?
>>64192929lol no you don’t, otherwise you would have posted a picture of it. Instead you are a turd worlder or ineligible owner so you opted for Google images instead.
>>64193048>>64194356I’d ask for you to post a pic of your gunz but I don’t wanna see another ugly glonk reddit blaster.
>>64190466>capacityone>lower costGold Dots come out the same>noisepray the gay away
>>64191443Why do glocktards lie? The video is in the replies to your link showing he had his hand behind the slide. I've only seen the M&P fail in 2 videos and both the thumb was behind the slide. That's user error. Glockjams are not, they jam just because the shooter is moving which you often have to do in a gunfight.https://imgur.com/a/XbrLY28
>>64193672>They're the same give/take 50ish fps.They are only comparable with light projectiles out of short barrels like 3". .357 Magnum offers slightly higher muzzle velocity and energy than the .357 SIG when comparing full-power loads of the same bullet weight (125 gr), where the .357 Magnum typically exceeds the .357 SIG by approximately 100 fps. However, once you start getting into longer barrels or using heavier projectiles like 158 gr or 180 gr, then you'll see the magnum far outperform the SIG.
>>64194418>brand new>15,000 roundslol
>>64194721Fair but most people using a .357 mag for HD/carry in this day and age aren't packing a 8" N frame loaded with 180gr bear rounds.
>>64196968They could be carrying a 4" revolver shooting 158 gr and still outperform any .357 SIG round shot off a 4" barrel.
>>64197771Possibly, but is the increased velocity/mass worth half the capacity?
>>64198517>is the increased velocity/mass worth half the capacity?Now hold on, the first comment I responded to said >Seriously why does magnum still get love but Sig just gets hate? >They're the same give/take 50ish fps.>I just don't get how people can argue with numbers and expect to win.That was what I responded to, and now you want to move the goalpost, seriously? I'll indulge you; here are my two cents: the capacity question is highly subjective; plenty of people feel fine with a 5-shot J-frame, while a few people insist on guns with 17, 18, 20, 21 rounds of capacity. For years I saw autoloader people constantly whine about how much they absolutely need as much capacity as possible—"if it doesn't have at least 15 rounds, then you are going to die"—and then I saw in 2014 those same people buying a Glock 42 (6+1 gun) because vetbro guntubers told them to and then in 2015 get a Glock 43 (the original was also a 6+1 gun). So clearly, capacity was not as important to them as they liked to pretend.
>>64190120I bought mine from Turner's for 500 :)I love this gun so much its just perfect
love me p2000, hate strikerlags, simple as
>>64198599>capacity question is highly subjective>not as important to them as they liked to pretendchecked, this is true in regard to the compact and subcompact carry (particularly striker/polymer frame) newer pistols of the past two decades; all of a sudden for this newer class of carry pistol muh capacity wasn't a crucial element.Boils down to a person's chosen carry gun and what they are willing, comfortable and proficient enough to live withFor the 10+ round magazine capacity semiautos, now having been 'replaced' for many in carry role by subcompact/micros, these pistols serve reasonably as home defense or bedside guns
>>64198599There's diminishing returns for sure. 6 rounds of .357 mag beats 15 of piddly 9mm ball no question, but is .357 Sig goodnuff that 12 rounds give a clear advantage?
>>64189659Reaching hi point levels here.
>>64199884You say that but don't realize that .357 SIG performs closer to 9mm +P+ than it does to .357 Magnum. When testing, it often had worse penetration than .40 S&W (its main competitor) and 10mm (the round that is actually somewhat comparable to .357 Magnum).
