Now we have a proper 6th gen race. https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-and-japan-to-accelerate-new-fighter-jet-project/
>>64189909inb4 FCAS schizo bot drops the same script again but yeah tempest bros we are winning so much
Japan had been requesting acceleration for awhile, they're REALLY trying to hit that 2035 deadline.
> the Japanese carrier JS KagaI think you mean the helicopter-carrying destroyer JS Kaga.
>>64190010>helicopter-carrying destroyerStill too militant. It's clearly a mobile humanitarian relief dock.
>>64189909Surprising, considering what Japan did to the British after WW1. LOL JK
>forgot ItalyONONONO GCAP sisters! Is the project already falling apart?
>>64190293Alls fair in love and coloniesThe brits dont hold grudges until you get to the home islands themselves
>>64189995they've also been requesting some saarshttps://www.etvbharat.com/en/!international/india-in-gcap-japan-fighter-jet-pitch-signals-a-strategic-shift-in-asia-enn25050505601>Japan eyes India for GCAP fighter jet project
>>64189909It looks very hexagonal and ugly-cool, bongfluence shining
>>64189909>italian reliability>british designwhat do the japs bring the table?
>>64191168Adaptive cycle engines.
>>64191168MoneyJokes aside Jap tech isn't dogshit. It's just that their own constitution plus the unknown / untested factor have stopped them from the export sales.SOME of us here are old enough to remember when they said the same about South Korean hardware.
>>64191287>SOME of us here are old enough to remember when they said the same about South Korean hardware.Fuuuck now i want japan to begin exporting arms and armour
>>64191089No one but some random indian milblogger believes that
>>64191291The JASDF is the most hardworking air force in the world (although they've never launched any warshots) because of the daily ADIZ provocations from ChinaTheir air defence systems at least should be very good, maybe comparable (on paper) with the Israelis
>>64189909UK is months away from an IMF bailout. That means Pay! Your! Debts! France will follow, and then all europeons will have to roll over their debt mountains at higher rates. If the UK ever gets 6th gen aircrafts, it will be a dozen of whatever USAF/USN is flying. You can count Europe out of the 6th gen race.
>>64191386>all europeons will have to roll over their debt mountains at higher rates
>>64191168
>>64191168>italian reliabilityAnon I...>what do the japs bring the table?Material science and money mostly.>>64191226Pretty sure 90% of the engine work will be done by rolls royce.
>>64191560>Pretty sure 90% of the engine work will be done by rolls royce.You'd be wrongRumor mill is they're using the IHI XF-9 core as the starting point.
>>64191089That article is completely made up, saaar.
>>64191560>Pretty sure 90% of the engine work will be done by rolls royce.No, it's a joint venture between RR IHI AA with each 33.3 workshare. Same with the main joint venture.
>>64191287>SOME of us here are old enough to remember when they said the same about South Korean hardware.Which was proven to be the truth
>>64189909France and Germany have more experience with fifth gens than the GCAP partners (UK, Italy and Japan), where none of the companies involved (BAE, Leonardo or Mitsubishi) have any experience as part of the original JSF design program or assembling F-35s locally
>>64191829You mean besides the, UK being the first partner in the JSF program, Italy producing F-35 wings and doing final assembly/delivery for some of the F-35As and F-35Bs for European customers, and Japan who makes F135 engine components, assembles F135 engines, and assembles F-35s as well as handling F-35 overhauls and upgrades. As well as japan's wholly domestic 5th gen demonstrator the X-2 shinshin. Those are the countries that are behind France and Germany who have never worked on the F-35, or any other 5th gen program that flew?LolLmao even
>>64191829The bongs build part of the wing (roots?) of every single F35, just sayin
>>64189964>>64191829bingo
>>64191858The Rafale, is fully the equal of the F-35, Su-57 and J-20 as a fifth generation fighter. Like the KF-21, it is a 4.5 gen with development potential to be further upgraded to fifth gen. That is why many countries, such as India, Indonesia, Qatar and the UAE which have requested F-35s or were looking at other fifth gen options like the Su-75 and KF-21, are now Rafale users.The Eurofag Typhoon meanwhile remains a 4-4.5 generation aircraft with no further development potential, and the countries who are using it primarily (UK, Italy, Spain etc) are all F-35 users and have no incentive to develop it further.If the Rafale was made by a non-NATO country, they would call it 5th gen.
>>64191858If FCAS falls apart then two different things will happen: France is going to build the cheapest next gen plane possible to not end their debt filled treasury, which may find some success in third world markets but can't be compared to American planes or Tempest. Germany in combination with Spain and Sweden will accelerate the unmanned future with maybe trying to get a smaller share of Tempest to get the necessary rights to integrate their unmanned components. Aurora, Helsing's long range drone bomber or Airbus' loyal wingman will push Germany into the future faster than any other major air force - thanks to Trappier being too greedy.
>>64191905Rafale has no stealth, the literal defining characteristic of 5th gen fighters.It is in no way an F-35/F-22 equivalentYou can cope about chink/soviet garbage, but I don't really consider them true 5th gens either.
>>64191905The Rafale is 5th ge-ACK
>>64191089>etvbharat
>>64191089Lmao that's a fantasy.Japan has been the least open to allowing another partner because they think it'll just delay things further.
>>64191905>64115223>64070622>63655269>63541850>63513896>63465775>63456502>62841242>62692908>62398700>62071783...(3 pages later)>>51293908What causes such mental illness?
>>64191965one day he'll probably kill himself and then we'll be free.
>>64189995Just saw this too, Japan really is sweetening the deal. >UK-Japan defence ties enter ‘new golden age’ as Britain ‘not Nato only’: defence chief>Japanese destroyers had for the first time provided protection for Royal Navy ships and RAF aircraft during manoeuvres; a British F-35 fighter touched down on the deck of the Japanese warship Kaga for the first time and Japanese F-15 jets are due to deploy to the UK in the coming weeks, in yet another first.https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/politics/article/3323762/uk-japan-defence-ties-enter-new-golden-age-britain-not-nato-only-defence-chief
>>64192116Japan has close ties with many European nations. Last year it was the German Air Force and Navy visiting Japan.
>>64191552What I find funny about that joke in this context is that a lot of the cheap Japanese stuff was (and is) actually made in Korea.Still better than chinkshit.
>>64191858You're replying to a copypasta
>>64191858>Italy producing F-35 wings and doing final assembly/delivery for some of the F-35As and F-35BsDo we just produce those or did we partecipate on some of the development? If we just assemble stuff doesn't that mean we can't really contribute in any way to a 6th gen like the GCAP?
>>64192322The F135 Low-Pressure Turbine (LPT) and the combustor were developed and are manufactured by Avio Aero (acquired by GE in 2012).Aerea S.p.A. were involved directly in the design phase of the missile launcher racks and produce them currently in their factory in Turate, Italy.Leonardo while producing the wings, were also directly involved in the wing design
>>64192372Neat, wouldn't have expected it from my country
>>64191905>gets shot down because the underpowered engines can't lift a proper on-board ew system and the paint doesn't have any RAM whatsoever
>>64191168Big titty anime skins
>>64192400Based
>>64190916wops on suicide watch
>>64191829Stop posting this
>>64192400God they better have some sexy ass animu nose-art JK serafuku or else what the fuck is the point?
Japan made a nice technology demonstrator.
>>64192695Look at them paddles
>>64190293It was among the monarchists, real tea drinking shit.
>>64191917Do you think Sweden would allow Germany and Spain to join the Flygsystem 2020 program?
>>64192752Considering Flygsystem 2020 itself has been put on hold until ~2030, I doubt it, unless germany/spain are willing to go along with whatever SAAB is offering with little pushback.Sweden really likes smaller single engine jets that can take off/land on rural highways, if germany/spain want a larger 5/6th gen like GCAP/F-47 then they're not going to like whatever SAAB builds.
>>64191965>>64192065Like, 2 years on, he still get a fuckton of free (you) for what is obviously a joke pasta. I know a lot of people on /k/ are on the spectrum and can't get around irony but still.
>>64193042Be kind to the newfags
>>64193042The funny thing is you actually think he's joking.I can promise you, he believes most of it.
>>64192634Fuck animu noseart. I want a 5th gen flown by a Vocaloid who falls in love with one of the test pilots... and I want it to be able to fire all missiles at once if locked on the appropriate number of targets.
>>64189909>Now we have a proper 6th gen race.
>>64191413I hate israeli settler memes so much its unreal
>>64191168Their XF9 has a thrust similar to an F119 but the size of an F100. Even if you de-rate the XF9 by the same degree as the F119, it has more specific thrust.
>>64189909>6th generationIsn't this just a buzzword? What is a "6th gen fighter" even supposed to be?
>>64193286>Isn't this just a buzzword? What is a "6th gen fighter" even supposed to be?"he said^on all-fours, barking like a dog
>>64193277I hope they can achieve the same efficiency as the XA100 though
>>64193300It's impossible to compare efficiency when the PW and GE haven't disclosed the TSFC of their newer military engines since the 1980s. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>64191383>The JASDF is the most hardworking air force in the world (although they've never launched any warshots) because of the daily ADIZ provocations from ChinaJapan has scrambled jets around 900-1000 times per year for the past 5 years. I think the numbers for all of NATO combined for 2024 was something like 350 times.
>>64189909The UK and Japan don't have any 6th gen development. This is a memorandum to develop these technologies from scratch. Also, what happened to Italy?
>>64190951>Britannia's huns with their long range guns sailed in through the foggy dew
>>64193314Just taking the 25% fuel consumption reduction even without a comparison is pretty impressive
>>64193319>The UK and Japan don't have any 6th gen development.Bro what? Japan had like 7 years of F-X/F-3 development before GCAP even started.
>>64192748I found it funny, anon
>>64191905bait used to be believable
>>64191168Nothing unironically. Like engines will we done by the UK, aerodynamics by Italy. Maybe Japan will do the software so you can play (tr)anime copy slop 5000 while patrolling.
>>64191917Nigga you’re a Muslim living in Germany. Just stfu already and stop spamming
>>64193154Well at least you're not a v-tumorfag.I still want to see JK ZR and armpits on my 5th gen.
>>64191917Germany basically only needs to buy more F-35 und embrace the unmanned future. Let the other nations waste billions on manned fighters.
>>64191643https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/engine-testing-underway-for-new-british-tempest-fighter-jet/This was 2 years ago.
>>64191413>>all europeons will have to roll over their debt mountains at higher ratesWorst case, euro bond contagion spreads to America, meaning America ends up paying more for rolling over its debt because some britbongers were fisically irresponsible. That would mean no separate USAF 6th gen program, they would have to go with the USN pick.
>>64195242Wow an engine duct being tested? Wow, Rolls Royce are basically making the whole thing huh? This proves it. If they're testing a duct then they're obviously building it from scratch alone. The dozens of RR engineers that moved to Japan will be relieved to hear it.
>>64191917>Germany in combination with Spain and Sweden will accelerate the unmanned futureBoth Germany and Sweden are functionally bankrupt and fiscially overextended. Its either South Korean aircraft or American aircraft for their next gens.
>>64195242Isn't that basically a custom EJ200 for the UK's combat air demonstrator?https://aviationweek.com/defense/aircraft-propulsion/uk-advances-tempest-demonstrator-toward-2027-first-flightFrom what I understand, in the trilateral program, a new engine demonstrator is being builthttps://www.janes.com/osint-insights/defence-news/defence/gcap-engine-demonstrator-progresses-in-designwhich is based on the UK-Japan joint engine demonstrator (pic related)
>>64195395So the head of RR business development and future programs said:>The XF9 has capabilities in it that we can pull into this demonstrator programObviously what he really meant was Rolls Royce is doing 90% of the development with nearly zero help from Japan.
>>64195339Indeed, Japan is so good at jet engines and that’s why nobody uses them while Rolls Royce is used on any new Airbus NEO jet, B-52 and V-280 just to name a few. Go back to playing video games, poopy. Japan brings nothing to the table but money, even their civilian jet failed.
>>64195479You're an actual embarrassment
>>64192142I'm stunned, the F-15 absolutely mogs the Eurofighter on looks
>>64190951>The brits dont hold grudgesKek. Can you imagine if they did? I saw a map once that showed who they had never had a war with. Shit had like five countries highlighted. Bongs wouldnt be able to function if they had to have a grudge against everyone else.
>>64195589The Rafale and Typhoon are the ugliest euro deltas. Especially the Typhoon tube-body.The Gripen and Mirage 2000 look far better.
>>64193319>The UK and Japan don't have any 6th gen development.Are you retarded?>Also, what happened to Italy?Nothing, they talked about wanting to speed up the GCAP, but the forum is the PFF, pacific future forum, tf has Italy to do with the pacific beside the joint training exercises? They hold no territories there.
>>64193538>gookshill is back
>>64195589The F-15 looks like an actual eagle while the eurofighters look like bugs lol
>>64191168The ability to transform into a giant robot when operated by a high school girl.
>>64193538Bongoloid hereJaps and Wops are our new best friends, kys
>>64195503>Saan please suck up to Japan like all weaboomersLower your tone, there is nothing Japan is leading at other than pedophilia.
Video game mode :)
>>64195734Don't be silly anon. It's only qualified pilots and teenage boys falling into cockpits that can turn it into a robot. The high school age girls sing the pop songs that motivate the teenage boys in battle.
>>64193319>Also, what happened to Italy?they are there just to bear some of the financial cost. they are like Spain in the FCAS.
>>64196645I think more realistically it should've been 40/40/20 with italy getting 20%, but for fairness sake UK and Japan decided to play nice and give an equal split to italy.Obviously UK/Japan are the main technical powerhouses in the program.
>>64197063fucking shitalians got pitied by the UK and Japan
Isn't it kind of pointless though?Russia has shown their "airforce" is vaporware that can be taken out by 60 year old tech. China might have a legit airforce but their only real desire is Taiwan. It's not an actual threat to any western country in a military sense, because it doesn't' have to be. All it has to do is simply stop allowing the west to have access to it's minerals and they're all fucked unless they invade. Which is why China has an extremely strong defensive rocket and airforce. The west is building an airforce to fight countries that don't have air forces to fight it instead of building ways to counter the things those countries actually have
>>64191168The virginity autism
>>64190293Britain and Japan were great buds in the late 19th-early 30th centuries. The Alliance was not renewed due to US pressure and that contributed to Japanese resentment and the slide into ultra-nationalism.
>>64197312>19th-early 30th centuries
>>64197131>All it has to do is simply stop allowing the west to have access to it's minerals and they're all fuckedRare earth minerals aren't rare, they just rape the earth with all the poison that comes with extracting it which is why no western countries do it and leave the dirty work to Changs who will willingly pollute their own country. Just something like two mines in Cali can provide 80% or so of rare earth metals for the US, we just need to stomach the poisonous tailings that come with it.
>>64189909>a proper 6th gen racebetween FCAS and the US? maybechina's not really in the picture, they haven't even built a proper 5th gen stealth aircraft yet.
>>64197532>FCASbait, FCAS is already facing difficulties and it's aiming for a service entry date 10-15 years after GCAP/F-47
>>64197532The GCAP and NGAD are from the only countries that have both the experience and tech to produce a 6th gen so you're wrong by trying to wriggle the FCAS in here. Dassault fucked it up big time.
>>64193286It's only 6th gen if:1. It can do suborbital flights2. It can transform into a giant mechaOtherwise, it's Gen 5++
>>64197312I've always thought that GCAP was de facto Anglo-Japanese Alliance 2.0 in the form of joint fighter development and procurement, and it wouldn't be a pure coincidence that the merger and launch of the program was green-lit right after the puccia invasion of Ukraine, considering the fact the Alliance 1.0 was meant to keep Russia in check (also China this time).Prime fighter jets are some of the most important and sensitive military assets in modern days, sharing its technology and production is nothing less than an alliance.
>>64197532>trying to insert chinks into the conversationstealth chang post
>>64197131>but their only real desire is TaiwanJust like the only real desire of the US is Greenland?
>>64199356>sharing its technologyexcept the uk is not doing it, as the wop in chief said. looks like you shouldn't have let them join
>>64197312>great buds in the late 19th-early 30th centuriesYes, its remarkable how the Federated Suns and Draconis Combine put aside long-standing hostilities and incidents such as the Kentares IV massacre in the face of the Clan invasion
>>64189909Is there any piece of concrete evidence that even a single thing is being worked on the GCAP beside CGI renders?
>>64200098Yes? Are you retarded or just hunting for a (you)?
>>64200203Probably a frog
>>64200022Hehe
>>64200098There are plenty. Pic rel is the demonstrator being built
>>64200532>>64200098Or the Excalibur flying technology testbed.
>>64200022Pic rel is the loyal wingmen/drone swarm software being tested prior to live flights by Italy
>>64200098Japan is doing their work as well
>>64200532Looks an awful lot like the japanese airframe manufacturing methods being tested from the late 2010s. >>64193349
>>64200570A sign of an healthy cooperation
>>64200549was this meant for >>64200098?
>>64200584yeah, my bad.
>>64200549>>64200098Virtual cockpit concept by Leonardo since the GCAP is said to receive an improved helmet compared to the F-35 one with true 3D AR.
apparently she will be a plump gal
>>64200630We knew that from before it was even GCAP, both Japan and the UK were eying thicc fat bois for long range maritime deterrence patrols. So it's not a shock that their joint program has also given us a fighter with a fat ass and legs for days.
>>64200630Mama Mia look at those huge wings
>>64200630mmnnn doritos
>>64193319>>64197063>>64197079>https://www.edrmagazine.eu/gcap-an-italian-viewGood article that explains a bit what the Italians will bring to GCAP. Which will be mostly electronics, propulsion components of the engines, Integrated Sensing and Non-Kinetic Effects & Integrated Communications Systems etc.
>>64189909>Attempt 1,090 to make s F22 copy
>>64192372>and the combustor were developed and are manufactured by Avio AeroNo they arn't I used to weld up and braze F135 combustors.Fuck off with your bullshit..t worked on the F35 program for years
>>64201611https://www.avioaero.com/military-aviation/propulsion-system
>>64201637How fucking DARE you
>>64201701sorry sweaty but FACTS don't care about your FEELINGS :)
