>>64190195
if it's for carry, there are better options, and if it's for the home, I recommend a rifle. Beretta's are cool though.

You need something more concealable. My pocket carry is an M&P Shield, I have one in 9mm and one in .40. I love em

>>64190195
get a USP or P2000

>>64190195
92s are too bulky for CC, get a Glock 19 or one of it's many many clones
>>64190253
anon, why don't you go fuck yourself

>>64190195
So you're a noguns right? If so, I'd suggest buying two guns.
1. Conceal Carry Pistol
a) Glock (19 or 26)
2. Home Defense Rifle
a) PSA AR-15 16" Mid-Length Complete Upper w/ BCG & Charging Handle
b) PSA AR-15 Complete Lower
c) Romeo5 Red Dot
d) Streamlight ProTac HL-X Light
3. Additional Accessories
a) Magpul AR Magazines
b) Glock OEM Magazines
c) Cleaning Kit
d) Bore Solvent
e) Lubricant
With this, you should be safe from whatever blacktivities the "future doctors" in your neighborhood are up to. Good luck fren.

>>64190195
As a Tennessean I have to support Beretta since they’re making 92s and other guns here now. If you want to carry it, you might want to consider the Centurion model.

>>64190195
bersa is better

For just handguns I would get an m&p 2.0

For actual home defense I would get an AR. And you're just in time a lot of places are doing pretty deep labor Day discounts.

>>64190195
Berettas are beautiful guns but not the most practocal for daily concealed carry.
Consider
>S&W M&P 9, M&P Compact Carry or M&P Shield Plus (basically just different sizes, get the largest model you think you'd carry regularly)
The S&W M&P pistols are essentially Glocks but better built and slightly cheaper, only get a Glock if you get a LEO discount or if you really want to slot in a bunch of aftermarket parts for some reason.
>Walther PDP Compact
>CZ P10C
>Sig P365 XL or XMacro
>Springfield Hellcat Pro

>another handgun thread, and OP 1 pbtid troll topic

Berettas are always a solid choice but as others have said not ideal for CC.
>>64190295
Bersas are pretty good, I can only speak for the Thunder .380 though. I got it for $200 like 7 years ago and still runs great. I still CC mine.
>>64190263
Why not get a PCC that takes Glock mags? It would save money as you can share mags with your pistol. You dont need an AR for home defense plus enjoy being deaf if you shoot it inside.
Get a PCC or shotgun for home.

Reminder: in a defensive shooting situation (police don't believe in defensive shooting so this is a lay term. To them youre a murderer until the prosecutor declines to press charges) they confiscate your weapon. And the likelihood of an incident is less than 20 ft distance. So get the highest caliber smallest lightest pistol you can get secondhand for under 300 dollars to every day carry. Its not a question. They will take your gun. You will have to hope the police dont steal it too. Shoot to kill. Otherwise you didnt fear for your life.

>>64190358
Not sure how true this is but I have heard a lot of people say this kind of thing. Honestly Im a budget gun buyer and all of my CC guns are like $250, I didnt do that originally thinking of it being taken by cops but kinda glad Im not wasting money in case it is taken.
Bersa Thunder 380
Ruger LCP
Taurus G3C
They all work great, never had issues. Inexpensive. Not cheap.

DA/SA guns safety off hammer down are a better first time carry gun than a dingus safety striker fired pistol.

>>64190195
Is this a firearm that you plan on carrying with you for personal protection or is this mainly going to sit on a nightstand for home defense?

>>64190390
Carry and home defense. Its just a starting gun for right now. Ill buy more later. Any suggestions?

>>64190357
Good point about the PCCs, but it sounds like OP's neighborhood is turning into Chicago 2.0 based on his post. If I had defend my home from a bunch of (possibly drugged-out) gangbangers with Dracos and Glocks w/ switches, I'd want 5.56 rather than 9mm.

>>64190357
>being deaf if you shoot it inside
300 blk, suppressor, ear pro

>>64190451
Go to your local shooting range and rent out the different handguns to see how they feel to shoot. Afterwards, you should visit the /hgg/ thread to ask about how comfortable the handgun is to conceal. I hear good things about the Ruger RXM, so I'd suggest including that in your list of pistols to try.

>>64190195
Berettas are low-quality firearms with Chinese-made parts. Buy a Sig Sauer P320 instead. You can get it for cheap right now since the Anti-Gun DemonRats are forcing people to sell them. Also, only use Steel-Cased ammo, since it is harder than copper and is able to pierce body armor.

>>64190451
9mm Glock 19
11.5" PSA AR-Pistol

ALL you need

this #*@m OP is on /pol/ rn

>>64190513
>this H*CKIN post is on FR*CKIN /pol/
Why are you browsing /pol/ if you hate it so much?

>>64190615
>'hate it'
??!? wtf
I like it more than /k/ = jokeshop
and that is saying something

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>>64190195
Do not buy a gun that you haven't already shot. Go to a range and rent the type that you are interested in, have an instructor teach you about it and help you with it.
Do your homework. Find out about local laws, what permits you need, what insurance you need, and consider retaining a lawyer. At the very least find one that you can contact if you need to.
Once you've done all your homework and understand your rights and responsibilities, and you've picked a gun that you feel is right for you, then find a good range and practice. Make sure you have the proper safety gear. Eye protection, ear protection. Again, hire an instructor if you need one.
Be responsible and safe. You will likely never be involved in a shooting but if you are you want to be accurate and cooperate with the law. If you do shoot someone, immediately call the police and report it. Do not wait. Be smart.

>>64190262
>>64190219
There are compact 92s, centurion I think? also 84/85/80x are all compact in the same style. My carry is an 85 and I love it.

>>64190358
>>64190373

Cops took my guns in a red flagging. One of them is missing from their locker. Feels bad bros. I've since replaced most of them but man is it ridiculous what they can do to you these days.

>>64190195
Get a Glock 19 and save yourself the trouble of experimenting with a dozen platforms before realizing why everyone recommends them

>>64190263
>>64190506
This. Get a Glock and an AR, that's your base line, once you cover the basics and got some training you can experiment with other platforms

lol

Just fyi tranny nannies will nuke this thread and report you for the social credit points
We're not actually allowed to talk about weapons or why you might need one here
>now back to ukraine and fag shit

>>64190263
PSA is bad. Save a little more and you can get a blem Bravo upper or a complete factory Spike's carbine

>64190349
>weapons board
>overwhelmingly the reason you need a weapon is the 12% of the population that commits 2/3 violent crimes

>>/lgbt/

>>64190195
Way too many fools telling you you cannot conceal carry a full frame pistol. Gun enthusiasts are like lemmings. They follow the advice of whoever is popular. Even after these people get outed as being liars, having poor moral character, having no actual experience in the subject matter or the experience they do have is in an arena that doesn't translate the trends they started continue to be echoed for years after.
Of course you can concealed carry a full frame pistol. Personally my military experience with the 92 made me never want to own one. But there are multiple ways to concealed carry one quite comfortably.

>>64191907
>>get a glock and an ar
This comment is so gross yet so correct
Get a 17 or 19 and a 16" ar chambered in 5.56 with a 1:8 and you will be all set.

>>64190263
26 is an obsolete chode. If OP wants a small gun he should get something like the P365 or any of the other high capacity micro-compacts on the market.
>inb4 mag sharing
What’s the point of having a small gun if you’re just gonna put an extended magazine in it?

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>>64191863
The 92 Compacts are the size of a full-size M&P or Glock, probably slightly larger in the frame dimensions.

>>64192024
16” is for faggots, should just get 14.5” P&W as intended.

>>64192077
The grips are fat as fuck too

>>64192082
Yeah, though the new 92Xs at least have the Vertec profile.

>>64192078
Show me what you gain by the shorter barrel. I cleared houses with a 20" barrel. I also used the m4.
In my actual experience you gain nothing of significance by dropping to 14. A 16" with a collapsed buttstock is all the short you will ever need in the real world.

>>64192109
Because it’s meant to be 14.5” welfare queen. 16” is only a thing because of the ATF regulations, standard AR barrel lengths should be 10.3”/11.5”, 14.5” and, 20”.

>>64192221
I can show you the velocity loss. Show me what you gain from that loss or I'll just assume you are an idiot.

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>>64192008
Zogfags always kvetch about the M9 but it's still just as popular with civilians and serious shooters as ever. Of course your issued one was bad. If your job made you drive a used Toyota with 300k miles that'd never been serviced then you concluded Toyota was a shit automaker, you'd be rightly ridiculed.

>>64192221
I can also show you decreased terminal bullet performance that lowers the effectiveness of certain bullets by up to 100 yards using a 14.5 inch.
So what have you gained for that much loss inside 300 meters i might add. What?
>>looks cool G
Thats what I thought.

>>64192082
You can buy thinner panels

>>64191882
>goddamn this trigger sucks
>goddamn these sights suck
>why does the grip feel like trying to use a hammer held the wrong way
I agree, buy a Glock 19 then once you have the fundamentals down (and some cash on hand) sell it and buy a decent used 1911 so you can tell what a handgun is supposed to be

>>64192272
I don't buy "trucks" made with light duty car parts.
Since when has being popular meant good? FFS the Toyota truck hasn't been good since the old Hylux days when top gear was testing already old and the current gen was nothing even close to it.
The M9 was shit all the way around. The issues I got to see are the issues anyone who actually shoots is going to see over time. Being in the military you just get to see all of them.
I didn't like anything about the m9. Trigger. Grip. Angle, magazines, literally everything about it. Then all the failures just solidified my dislike.
For the record, Toyota USED to make vehicles that went forever and didn't die. That was at LEAST 20 years ago. Toyota like the m9/92 is garbage now.

>>64192295
>never said anything about trucks
There's that 32 ASVAB score
>Trigger. Grip. Angle, magazines
All objectively better than a glonk 9except maybe the mags if you were using the shitty Checkmate ones)

>>64192078
>P&W
Faggot.

>>64192221
More like 9", 12.7" and 18"

>>64192315
This is a weapons forum. If you bring up Toyota of course one is going to immediately to the use of them by insurgents in combat. Do try harder to make yourself seem above pond scum intellect. Toyotas suck now.
Having used mil m9, g17, 1911 all issue firearms i can say with absolute confidence if you think the m9 is better than the g17 you don't have much experience actually shooting. Neither are my favored grip angle. Glock triggers are way faster. (As long as you actually know how to shoot). The 92 is weird as shit for grip. A literal box is better.
One can always tell when they are conversing with the weekend warrior of shooters. Congrats on the high BP and 40 year desk ride soft hands.

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>>64192340
>weekend warrior
No you can't have a dollar

>>64190195
A Beretta 92 isn't gonna be great for CCW but you can do it. For home defense though they are perfectly fine. Gun nerds make home defense so fucking hard because they all want to pretend like we live in super Brazil where the guys trying to steal your TV are rolling up decked out like CAG operators so in return you gotta roll up like you are master chief fighting the covenant. Things just aren't that bad, a fullsize pistol with a light is all you need for home defense and don't let any faggot tell you otherwise. The light is the operative part though, you don't want to fumble with switches on your wall or risk doming your 6 year old daughter because you thought she was a midget nigger trying to steal your shit

>>64192291
>sights
Why does everyone say this? I love stock Glock sights, they always work for me and I find them very easy to use. If I really needed to replace the plastic ones I'd get metal ones that were the exact same
>grip angle
Not gonna be a problem to a new shooter who doesn't know any better

>>64192273
Not so much that it looks good, more-so 16” looks bad, especially the ones with a carbine length gas system. If 50-100 fps is that important you might as well be using a 20” rifle.

>>64192551
50 to 100 fps is important when you are shooting something thats terminal ballistics (as in its effectiveness killing humans quickly) are HIGHLY dependent on its velocity on impact. So much so that the difference between 14.5 and 16" and keeping fragmentation velocity of your 55g is 90 yards vs 125. That is a SIGNIFICANT hit to the effectiveness on target of your firearm. And thats just one example.
Its not just about speed. Its about what is an acceptable sacrifice for what one gains. And you are gaining nothing aside from arguably esthetics and giving up real world performance.
>>64192393
>>a full sized pistol
Yes
>>light
Any light? Sure. House lights, motion lights, flashlight. Light attached to your pistol? Absolutely not. For about a billion very obvious reasons. Unless you are rooting out the Vietnamese in tunnels or are part of a team chasing the bad guy through the forest.
Putting a light on a pistol is a huge red larp flag.

>>64192739
Is there a better site than BBTI that has these calculations?

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>>64190357
>Why not get a PCC that takes Glock mags?
This anon knows the drill.

Ballistics by the inch is a pretty good reference for basic compare and contrast. You really need to shoot and get some averages yourself for better comparisons. If you have one firearm but not the other you can always use something like a Paul Harrell video to grab his MVs to compare to.
Depends on what you are using the information for and how accurate you want it to be?

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I'm going to give my two cents and say that OP should probably move while he still can.
If he can't then just buy a Glock 19, 2 mags, and 500 rounds of ammo and a TLR-7A light.
Once he's comfy with that I'd shop around for some holsters.
I personally like T-Rex arms for Kydex or Craft Holsters for leather.

>>64192008
CCWing a full frame is possible but heavily dependent on what you’re doing. I tried and tried for a year because I was cheap and as dumb as OP but even dumber because I didn’t ask for advice.

Have a purse? You’re golden, so long as you never set it down.
Have a fannypack? Likewise

Sitting in a semi all day? Shoulder holster under a tropical shirt. You’ll print a bit but ‘the office’ doesn’t care, super comfortable carry while seated.

Walking the dogs? Sure, lift the gut and slip it into an appendix carry. Slap it in the small of your back (reverse grip so you can’t flash yourself on the draw) but only if you can afford a slower draw.

Or just be a hoodrat and wear a hoodie w/ pouch even in 100 degree weather.

With a full frame you are 100% fucked if you need to bend over or be flexible.

>>64191983
PSA will be way more than sufficient for someone who is probably just going to leave it in their closet or under the bed and never actively train with it. Let's be real, OP is not going to be firing thousands (or even hundreds) of rounds out of it.

>>64190195
exactly what
>>64190202
said

>>64190195
Read this thread, it's highly relevant:
>>64126014

>>64192739
>accidentally shooting your children is a huge red larp flag
>unironically pistol fudding in the current year of our Lord +8
>fumbling for the light switch on the wall while you've got home invaders
hey buddy you just blow in from stupid town?

>>64190253
Listen to this anon. USPc is a great carry gun and is a phenomenal shooter. The standard USP is also great. Highly recommend getting it in .40 and then buying a 9mm conversion barrel.

>>64192272
>File: HND24-COPTALK-1.jpg
don't mess with Mas

>>64190263
>glocksucker
Fucks sake even an M&P 2 is better than that dated shit

no you aren't, no they aren't, yes you have, no you aren't.

you're probably the same guy who made the dog killing stick thread.

>>64192427
You have no taste and no right to recommend guns to other people

>>64195180
Paul Harrell agreed with me. Im in good company. Handheld lights, house lights, motion lights are for identification not pistol lights.
Get some better training. From someone who doesn't live in fantasy land.

>>64192078
>>64192024
You are both fags, 20" barrels are what 5.56 was designed for. Any less barrel length will reduce velocity and lethality from fragmentation.

>>64192340
>this goy never tried an 92X
Sour grapes

>>64192393
Whatever a pistol can do a rifle or shotgun can do better. Don't need to be in fallujah to give yourself the biggest advantage you can.

>>64197195
Sorry to say but Paul's wrong and so are you. You can use a weapon light to confirm a target, illuminate possible areas to shoot, and even use the light cone as a makeshift aiming device. And before you moan about pointing guns at things you shouldn't, if your gun is out then your life is in danger and that shit doesn't matter. Anything that moves is a possible threat until proven otherwise so my gun will be on target. My weapon light will merely confirm if I must shoot or not.

>>64197313
>>you can
And you are pants on head fucking retarded if you do
>>if my gun is out being safe and not pointing it at innocent people doesn't matter
Enjoy getting buttfucked in prison while you sob over the love one you killed because any number of startling things happened while you were shining your pistol light at them
You are, in all seriousness, a fucking moron larping dipshit.
Get a fucking education and some training. The proper tactics you use in those 0.001 chance of ever happening in the dark situations give you a massive tactical advantage that a weapon light only compromises.
Stop being a follower.

>>64197139
The M&P 2.0 sucks they made the default grip texture like sand paper because they read about people putting skateboard tape on their guns. You can't even carry it because of the grip texture. It's a pure competitionfag gun.

>>64197195
>Fantasy land
This is a very common practice so idk why you think a pistol is such a weird thing when it's only getting more and more popular. Also as far as Paul, are you sure he specifically took a stance against pistol lights or simply made a video saying that not relying on a pistol light is a viable strategy, because there is an important distinction there and Paul was infamous for saying less efficient things were fine and viable, which they often were/are, but wasn't specifically crapping on the mainstream alternative. Pseuds commonly did not understand this and thought he was just being an epic contrarian, you strike me as a pseud

>>64198014
>>what Paul said
You don't need one and its more likely to be an issue, liable ect and that you have a very small chance of ever being in a low light low light gunfight. And that you were more likely to get yourself in trouble with one than save yourself with one.
>>its a common practice
Ah, yeah. For police and ops military. Because they can and do follow a different set of rules and are in different circumstances than you. I was in the military. I got to use all the "cool" equipment and the "hip" training.
News flash military gear sucks. Military and law enforcement training is a joke. Yet every day some dipshit goes and buys a thing the military uses, screeches about this round the military uses or feels like they should train like them.
Good people don't use a light on a pistol because the only way to identify and eliminate a threat with a pistol light is to point a loaded pistol at an unknown. You are quite literally being a fucking retard doing so. Not to mention announcing where you are. Putting a target on you...
>>you blind yo my light g
Watch that dipshit that shot the bear again. Shut your fat lipped cock holster and watch. Thats you. Thats you faggots with pistol lights. Had that been a break in that faggot would have been dead ten times over.
You aren't a team
You aren't the police
You aren't immune from criminal charges
You aren't that bright to begin with
I use a flashlight, floodlight and motion activated lights. Because I'm not a fucking tard.

>>64198100
Oh so you are a dipshit noshoots fudd. Crazy, glad to know a few of you are still around so I don't just have to deal with retarded yuro noguns all day and can bully other varieties of retard nigger

>>64198100
>you have a very small chance of ever being in a low light low light gunfight
That's just straight up bullshit. The majority of defensive shootings occur in low light.

>>64190195
Do not listen to all these faggots and do it.

I didn't actually read the 15 replies. Buy they are probably something like

> to big
> slide safety
> da/sa is obsolete
> another gay retard saying its too big

It is pretty big for carry though desu

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Most of the reason blacks own guns is because they have to be around other blacks

>>64197908
Yeah I’ve heard that estrogen pills will make your skin sensitive, thanks for confirming anon, hope you beat the statistics

>>64198153
>>no shoots
Ive put thousands of rounds downrange in a single session, try again.
>>64198459
>>the majority
There is exactly one instance of the thousands and thousands of sd shootings captured on camera (human) where a weapon mounted light was used. And thats after the shooting.
The fact is that every single professional training group will immediately tell you to buy a handheld light. Because pointing your weapon at the unknown is beyond fucking retarded. The fact there seems to be an entire generation of zoomer cunts that cannot fathom this is bad news.
Active self protection has never found a video example where a weapon light would have been needed. In fact a weapon light would have compromised most people.

>>64191015
This advice is gay. Some of my favorite guns were ones that I just impulse bought or found a good deal on. You don't need to fucking date the thing before you commit lmao

>>64190195
Beretta Cheetahs (80x) are like mini 92fs (m9)s. Chambered in .380, if you like the aesthetics of the m9 it's a smaller option that you can conceal a lot easier

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Ive noticed a disturbing lack of Italian
92' s on the broker lately