Every lock-on weapon in video games has an arbitrary "lock on time" before you can fire a guided shot. Is there a single weapon system in real life that works like this?
Stinger, Strela too I think.
>>64192938All weapon systems work like this
>>64192938Infrared seekers need to be actively cooled to function well so you do need to switch them on before you can lock and fire, and they don’t acquire targets instantly
>>64192955Javelin
>>64192938It takes time for the computer to process data from the sensor and "lock" the heat sig or radar sig or whatever. It's just that modern systems are faster at doing that (to a point) due to improvements in sensors and data processing. You also have some modern stuff that can fire THEN lock, usually to dupe the target into firing countermeasures off before locking it.Basically, yes, there are weapon systems that work like that in real life. Honestly vidya weapons are sometimes more forgiving too because they don't usually have minimum arming distances and have better missile maneuvering to make up for being used at distances much closer than they're realistically meant to be used.
>>64193003That's where the original meme comes from. It's not just handheld missiles like the stinger which did this, air-to-air missiles with infared seekers have the same issue, like the Sidewinder.
>>64193024It's not just the computer's processing time, early analog missiles still had this issue because the infared sensor works better the colder it is. You have to wait for the missile to refrigerate its sensor before it can work properly. Most missiles do this with a small bottle of compressed gas. Some use peltier thermoelectric coolers.
>>64193038I didn't mention that (partly because someone else already did) but that's part of why I said "to a point" on modern systems being faster (because I imagine even now things work better when actively cooled, and improvements there are going to be limited by materials science / thermodynamics).
>>64192938Anon are you retarded
Refrigerant and cooling are actually all disinformation. Weapons manufacturers have agreed to do this to make war more fair.
I'm just here to assert that Halo's rocket launcher is fucking stupid and makes 0 sense>2-shot revolver because ???>reloading requires replacement of the entire cylinder unit
>>64193466Being a 4-shot revolver would make more sense but then it might have needed 2 missiles to kill a Spartan to be balanced. Being 2-shot does make sense if ERA/energy shield would eat the first rocket.
>>64193466well youre also a xenofag so nobody will listen to you on account of your extreme shit taste
>>64193466Plz dont make mai pp feel funni with the sexy Elites.
>>64193296He posts on 4chan what do you think
>>64192938The NLAW uses an inertial gimmick to simulate tracking on a moving target without an actual seeker. You keep the target in your crosshairs for a few seconds and the weapon calculates the angular velocity and thus lead. The missile has no idea where it is, but it knows where the target should be if it keeps moving at the same speed.
>All these retarded anons who think weapons actually have a lock on time.They don't. Once the seeker sees a target, you get tone. When the seeker is searching, you hear it go "bwerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr" then when it finds something it goes, "BWAAAAAAAAA". There's no slow HUD animation of a box forming around the target. You just pick it up and you're ready to fire. It works the same for ATGMs.
>>64193496wort wort wort
>>64193770> The missile has no idea where it isHeh
>>64193770Well, that's one example>>64193853This. Same for radar missiles.>see blip on scope>put cursor on it>press lock>its locked a millisecond later>no "beep beep beep beep beep beep BEEEEEEEEEEP" just instant
>>64193853IR seekers objectively take time to lock on depending on clutter etc. >>64194073Even the latest ARH missiles take a second or two I don't know how anyone could think that a lock-on is instantaneous
>>64193853>When the seeker is searchingalmost like some kind-of...time...until the seeker has locked onto a target...
>>64194217>>64194230Think of it as like when you are hunting for something in a store. You're searching, and then you see the item. That's your lock on. If you're a fighter jet or ATGM, you're ready to to fire at this point. Likewise, you are ready to approach the item and pick it up as soon as you see it. The sights are on target the millisecond the target is acquired. There's no point where the target is seen but not locked.Don't reply to this with some smart ass comment. You know it's true.
>>64194257that's not accurate. the radar sees the object many times before the operator selects a lock, and then most radar sets need to switch from scan to track before data can be supplied to a missile. It's then possible for a radar contact to fail preconditions for a successful lock even though the radar set can perceive the target.
>>64194257>There's no point where the target is seen but not locked.this is simply not true by any definition something can be clearly on radar, but the radar hasn't processed a solutiondetection > track > solution > lock
>>64193466It makes more sense than you think>2-shot revolver because ???It needs to fire 2 shots quickly for higher Pk>reloading requires replacement of the entire cylinder unitTheoretically reloading a Javelin ATGM requires replacement of the entire tube
>>64194332I'm not asking why it has 2 shotsI'm asking why it's a revolver. it's got two barrels.
>>64194335>why it's a revolverBit janky yes but it's not terrible
>>64194332Honestly it make more sense if you consider that it’s probably not supposed to be reloaded mid-combat like we see in game and would be utilized normally more like a 2 shot javelin, MC is just built different
To add to the one anon's complaint about the rocket launcher, seeing various videos of people's heads being blown off by shitty rocket tubes I always wonder why most rocket launchers arn't treated more as one and done super weapons you can occasionally pick up but the obvious answer is it has greater cinematic value to see the hero shouldering a rocket launcher and going to pound town with it like Arnie in Commando with his quad giga-nigga rocket launcher or like dude from Elysium
>>64194335>why it's a revolverIn the future the revolving mechanism isn't heavy but they need the sights to be as closely lined up as possible for maximum accuracy
>>64194335Maybe it uses the same firing mechanism (presumably electronic nodes of some sort), so it has to rotate the extra tube into place. It could also allow for multiple different kinds of tubes to be loaded, for example I'm sure a third tube could potentially be fitted into the same space, but it may have been deemed too weighty for one regular marine to hold and fire. It may also allow for many smaller tubes in a similar configuration to be loaded.
>>64194377>ground to space MANPADWeapons concept nigga for that movie was just like "what if we take modern weapons and just extend their capabilities by a factor of 1 zillion"I love it even if it doesn't make sense
>>64194383>it uses the same firing mechanism (presumably electronic nodes of some sort), so it has to rotate the extra tube into placeThis is obvious>a third tube could potentially be fitted into the same space, but it may have been deemed too weighty for one regular marine to hold and fireStarstreak LML in real life is thisThey have 1 tube shoulder-launched, and 2 tube and 3 tube post launchers depending on launch vehicle>>64194355>would be utilized normally more like a 2 shot javelinClearly.
>>64193770Does the missile know where it isn't?
>>64194386How many war crimes can we commit when something like the chemrail comes into existence?
>>64194380>>64194383why does it need more than one barrel if it has a revolver chamber
>>64194400Desecration of remains is a warcrime iirc so if enough turdie countries object to the Chemrail (probably because the IDF used it on PFLP XXI or the US uses it on sandniggers) some useless Ottawa 2.0 might be signed, yes
>>64194404Same reasons why shoulder-launched missile tubes are the length they are today
>>64194404How much of a chance do you want to take that the rocket is aligned to barrel rather than just having it's own barrel?
>>64194257This nigga never heard of delta scans
>>64194269>the operator selects a lockResponse times of human operators are not relevant to the subject. All that matters to them is tone.>>64194317>something can be clearly on radar, but the radar hasn't processed a solutionThat's called being out of range. Most missiles don't even have the fuel to reach those distances.
>>64193485>AI slopKill yourself faggot
>>64194525don't call her that
>>64193466Most guns in Halo are fucking retarded. You're telling me that in 500 years we're still using smokeless powder and cased ammunition that relies on super heating metals and precise ogives? We haven't come up with anything better at mitigating heat or launching projectiles from A to B? No plasma or magnetic projectiles? Caseless never became a thing with better heat mitigation and destructives? Still relying on infrared tracking systems and human operated anti vehicle tech? Diesel powered mechanized infantry? None of it makes any sense. We'll have better tech than Halo demonstrates in the next 70 years, easily.
>>64194335>I'm asking why it's a revolverBig Cylinder Hand owns half of space congress.
>>64194652We still use knives made out of steel like they were 1000 years ago. And in 1000 years knives will still be the same. There will never be another breakthrough in this technology, it's fully mature. You'll just see small incremental improvements in quality and ergonomics. The same thing is going to happen with every weapon or technology. Plasma projectiles don't make any sense. Magnetically accelerated weapons are energy-inefficient. Infrared tracking will probably never go out of style or become obsolete, everything in the universe that does work generates heat. I'll give it to you on diesel/internal combustion engines though, that will probably be replaced.
>>64193038that's really cool
>>64194707Caseless ammunition is wildly inefficient for one reason: heat. Technology around heat mitigating alloys and polymers still have lightyears to advance, but then what? Traditional projectile is still folly to many factors that affect precision targeting, even the fucking wind. So what's next after that? Higher and higher FPS will eventually meet better vehicles of energy, we have super insulators that don't raise temperature under extreme pressure in this scenario, so why not move into super heated projectiles? Eventually metal goes out, energy weapons DO become the future. Super heated plasma and lasers doesn't run into the same issues as a solid, no wind, spin or timing to calculate. If I can launch a ball of super heated gas or light at a target a mile away without any noticeable degradation of lethality, logically that's going to replace tradition. We're already seeing it on carriers. Space sci-fi has never been far off, eventually we will outgrow metal projectiles and traditional firearms. As for guidance, AI obviously progressing to the point where it can "reason" means those IR flares or decoys you just dumped our of Mr. Helicopter mean nothing. My missile literally understands what you are and why you need to die. If I can cram a super computer with abstraction into a missile and tell it to hunt something, that's going to overpower anybody relying solely on "that things hot."
>>64193466She's just a cosmic girlFrom another galaxyMy heart's at zero gravity<3
>>64194738Regarding energy weapons, how is a ball of superheated gas supposed to work as a projectile? Explain how this is physically possible. Did you consider that the hotter a gas is, the faster it expands? And now imagine how inconceivably hot a ball of gas would need to be in order to instantly ablate its way through an entire human and do the same damage as a bullet. Probably 1,000,000 K or more, and trying its best to spread in all directions as hard as possible the instant it leaves the gun. Another fun problem to figure out is how to stop the weapon's user from being "arc-flashed" by the insanely bright UV / X-rays from their own plasma balls as they're being launched. You know, that thing that can burn an electrician's face off from a meter away? A plasma gun's gonna be doing that too.For a laser the situation isn't quite as bad, but if you look at the insane amount of energy needed to power a laser that does merely as much damage as 9mm (lol) there isn't even a speculative, hypothetical power source that could make a weapon like that man-portable. But for ship or land-based anti-air, sure. It will be the main point defense weapon in the world soon.
>>64194652I'd believe it, we've used spears and bows for much longer. If it ain't broke don't fix it
>>64194786>Explain how this is physically possibleSorry but I'm only human not some incredibly advanced ancient alien race who figured it out. Hell im surprised the Covenant has gotten so far on their scraps.
>>64194628Kek.
>>64194404It being misaligned would be bad for your health.
>>64194652it's justified in-universe by the unsc being retarded
>>64194652>You're telling me that in 500 years we're still using smokeless powder and cased ammunition that relies on super heating metals and precise ogives?>Caseless never became a thing with better heat mitigation and destructives?https://www.halopedia.org/M7_SMGBefore you say it, supposedly this has the same power as an (actual intermediate cartridge) assault rifle crammed into a pistol-size package. The "assault rifles" in Halo, the MA5 series, fire 7.62x51 NATO. Those don't have sights because everyone has neural implants that just gives them aim reticles in their eyeballs.>No plasma or magnetic projectiles?https://www.halopedia.org/Magnetic_Accelerator_Cannonhttps://www.halopedia.org/M68_Gauss_cannonhttps://www.halopedia.org/M6_Spartan_LaserThis isn't plasma but whatever, it's a human energy weapon, and MACs are literally standard issue on every UNSC ship and space weapons platform. The only nitpicky part is that they strap gauss cannons to warthogs for ground combat, but we can say that plasma weapons render most armor that isn't a damn tank useless, so they just focus on speed. Speaking of which>Diesel powered mechanized infantry?https://www.halopedia.org/M12_WarthogOil was used up a long time ago. Warthog uses hydrogen as fuel, presumable so do all the other ground vehicles in the UNSC.As for why all this progress is slow and half-adopted, blame procurement fudds and the UN govt/ONI niggers whose main goal before first contact with the Covenant was just to keep the goycattle in line, most of what they had was doing that job just fine. However, to give them a modicum of credit, everything listed here predates the Human-Covenant war. The Splaser in particular was developed alongside the SPARTAN-II program, both of which were for the stated purpose above: chokeslamming uppity proles into submission Waco-style.
>>64193496It’s not that he’s a xenofag that makes him have shit taste.It’s that he sexualizes Elites rather than the far superior Jackals.
>>64194377> Arnie in Commando with his quad giga-nigga rocket launcherYou know that that was a thing that existed, right?They even tested a version that shot tear gas grenades. Imagine the asspain if a riot squad showed up at a “””peaceful protest””” with one of those.
>>64193496>xenofagWarhammer fags come to /k/ to die.
>>64194525Yeah think of all the twitter troon artists that commission could have paid rent for, you're taking food right off the table of our greatest allies.
>>64194707>We still use knives made out of steel like they were 1000 years ago. And in 1000 years knives will still be the same. There will never be another breakthrough in this technology, it's fully mature.Shut up nerd, I'm gonna be cutting my bread and slathering my butter with one of these after I wake up from cryogenic stasis
>>64196902So if you can withstand the heat of a beam saber, you could also withstand the heat of a super-heated blade?
>>64194652>We'll have better tech than Halo demonstrates in the next 70 years, easily.Not at the rate we're letting indians take over our companies, we won't.Maybe that's what happened in Halo and they only got around to race warring the jeets out a few decades before the game.
>>64196168It was also intended for LAW rockets to be fireable from it since it shared the caliber but it was never put into practice.Speaking of tear gas, the m202 isn't the most outlandish application of it dreamed up by the US military. There's the hydra and mighty mouse CS submuntion warheads and various gas projector converted flamethrowers to name a few.
>>64197124What's outlandish about CS warheads?
>>64194335If it were a break action, breach loader, would that satisfy you? Like a 12 guage, but 100 guage, and over the shoulder, + a vehicle tracker?
>>64198910hell yeah it would
>>64198869I can't imagine a riot so large you'd need to call for CAS on that progressed significantly past being a riot
>>64198928*That hasn't
>>64198910>100 gauge>Bore diameter the same as a sphere of lead weighing 1/100th of a pound (70 grains)
>>64198947I meant to type "1.00" gauge. The unnecessary zeroes are just a trait of writing specifications for engineers.
>>64193485>Being 2-shot does make sense if ERA/energy shield would eat the first rocket.Tandem warheads were uninvented in Halo.
>>64195115>the same power as an (actual intermediate cartridge) assault rifleThis is the only part of Halo's lore that is accurate and realistic, because the SMG requires more than 7 shots to incapacitate even unshielded opponents in most cases, to the point that a decent pistol has more stopping power.
>>64192938The "computer" of a guidance system is a series of logic switches. Those switches are routed to work with of a series of numerical inputs.The numerical inputs are results of physical changes in "sensors," which usually narrow down to microscopic needles, or artificial whiskers, moving due to electromagnetic or strictly thermal forces or reactions to the environment.The position of the needles physically opens or closes certain quantities of electrical circuits. Those quantities are the numerical inputs for the computer.The Lock-On time therefore depends on however long it takes to gather reliable physical data, then interpret that data, and finally output the appropriate set of cues or options for the operator's decision.If the static lock-on time of self-guided weapons niggles you, then...for meaningful, non-randomized variable lock-on times, you'd have to go beyond even Arma or DCS levels of physics modeling, and in multiple domains.
>>64202833I guess I'll add,if you wanted to go really BIG BRAINED and tactical,you could create a mechanic where things like dazzling, jamming, glare, washout, was a defensive Ult. Which would temporarily disable an enemy's aiming or guidance.
>>64192955/threadwhat a gay thread. I'm not reading all that Halo shit
