>naming carriers after presidents>already lagging behind by like sevensurely there has to be a better convention, no? should it be limited to just presidents with military service?
>>64194300>Implying the solid gold keel of the USS Donald Trump won't be laid down before the end of 2028
>>64194300There's already a carrier for George Sr. Ford is built, Clinton is next, that leaves G.W., Obama, and Biden, if we leave Cadet bonespurs out of the equation. Personally I'd like to see another a Harris or a CVN Milley. They need to scrap the Forrestal and Carl Vinson ASAP. If America had any sense, once we get the orange turd out of office, we'd rename some capital ships to some of the civil rights leaders like Harvey Milk after the Sec Def retard changed them during his shitfit.
>>64194312
>>64194314You're a bit slow if you even need to ask
>>64194300WW2 was peak ship naming by the USN. Every carrier was a banger of a name compared to a bunch of politicians getting handies from the pentagon naming ships after them.Great Brit shipnaming wa also on point by comparison.
>>64194300Fuck presidents. No ship should be named for a politician if they're not an honest-to-god war hero.
>>64194312Biden ain't getting a fucking carrier.
>>64194397Honestly, this. It's making something that doesn't need to be political, political.
>>64194300>>already lagging behind by like sevenWe don't name them in chronological order. The Ford was built after the H.W. Bush, Reagan came after Truman, Eisenhower was followed by the Theodore Roosevelt, and there was the Stennis and Vinson mixed in there too.
>>64194300What do they do if they ramp up production and run out of presidents?
>>64194389We need another Shangri-La
>>64194460Goddamn, I want that problem. I mean, having 45 nuclear carriers in active service at the same time and we're not sure what to name #46 besides Grover Cleveland: Redux?
>>64194460>>64194472There were 14 other US presidentshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_Continental_Congress#List_of_presidents
>USS Office Blowjob>USS Cowboy>USS Nigger>USS Epstein List >USS Senile Granpa>USS TACO
>>64194490>USS Safe And Effective>USS One Of My Sons>USS Pat Tillman>USS With Us Or Against Us>USS Zogbot>USS Gravy Train>USS Greater Israel>USS Palantir>USS Raghead's Delight>USS Holy Land>USS Mission Accomplished>USS New World Order>USS Her Turn>USS Intersectionality>USS MeToo>USS Thank You For Your Attention To This Matter
>>64194300go back to basics >Langley>Lexington >Saratoga>Independence >Enterprise >Yorktown>Hornet>Wasp>Essex>Midway>Coral seathere's 11
>>64194456even if you exclude Clinton, Bush jr, Obama, Trump and Biden there's like another 15 or 16 presidents who don't have ships named for them yet so it's not like we're in danger of running out any time soon, Hell McKinley and Chester A. Arthur don't have boats yet and both of them were instrumental in transforming America's navy into a true blue water fleet.
>>64194506USS New World Order goes hard ngl
>>64194506>>USS Thank You For Your Attention To This Matterneeds to be in all caps, but otherwise 10/10
>>64194389>WW2 was peak ship naming by the USN.You mean post-WW2.
>>64194397USN destroyers are named for war heroes.
>>64194510yup
>>64194547Some of them are.
>>64194460Start voting from the rooftops, so we get a couple of new presidents.
>>64194506>USS Manifest Destiny>USS Peculiar Institution>USS Indian Removal Act of 1830>USS Mai Lai>USS Agent Orange>USS Tuskegee Experiment
>>64194547Yeah, the run-of-the-mill infantry of the seas. Not the actual centrepiece of the fleet. I'd rather shoot myself than crew a ship named after fucking Reagan.
>>64194300Lagging behind would only be a feature, presidents who've been dead for a while are less controversial and can't get into any new scandals.Same reason you put dead ones on the money.>>64194510>Wasp>HornetWhy did we only do this for 2 ships and stop?>USS Yellowjacket>USS Cicada Killer>USS Carpenter Bee>USS Stinger>USS Africanized Killer Bee
>>64194300Naming ships after past rulers is very Monarchist and not republican. Even the Brits don't do it.
>>64194568>USS Insurrection>USS AmDocs Comverse Infosys>USS John M. Poindexter>USS Phoenix Program>USS Operation Ajax>USS Pfizer>USS Goldman Sachs>USS Mujahedin Cyclone>USS Bay Of Pigs>USS Building Seven
>>64194594HMS King George V
I will always be mad that USS Reprisal got scrapped before completion, such a good name. But I'd also be on board with legal terms as names:>Burden of Proof>Capital Offense>Cease and Desist>Collateral>Due Process>Undue HardshipAnd that's before you get into latin
>>64194300This: >>64194510The fact that we don't have an Enterprise, and the only one of the proper Original Seven in service is the Constitution, is a goddamned disgrace. Fuck Ford, fuck Reagan. Bush Sr. gets a pass, he was actually naval aviation, but all he really deserves is a submarine and a slap on the ass.
>>64194506The>USS French Benefits>USS Angry Butt sex with ur mom>USS my other carrier is an Imperial Class Star Destroyer>USS Department of the US Navy official Furry and Weeb containment ship please bomb
>>64194680>Bush Sr. gets a passagreed even though he's a traitor, he actually served in USN World War II so there's a "justification" for that namingbut as you say it shouldn't have been a CVN(yes obviously there needs to be Enterprise, Constellation, America, Kitty Hawk, Independence, Saratoga, Langley, Essex all of those)
>>64194442why not
The names of battlefields from the War of Independence simply sound good.
>>64194594That's because they name them after the current ruler.
>>64194698>USS Cowpens
>>64194698>USS Quebec
>>64194312>America renames all of it's capital ships every four years>this serves mostly to placate screaming internet retards but also provides OPSEC>you never know which carrier is where when they're swapping the names constantlt
>>64194397Fish don't vote.Congress wanted Carl Vinson and John C. Stennis to jerk themselves off. Harry S. Truman and Ronald Reagan were a bipartisan package deal, George HW Bush was someone being a suckass. Gerald R. Ford was Republicans taking a victory lap. John F. Kennedy and Enterprise replace John F. Kennedy and Enterprise. I think Trump was watching Pearl Harbor when they announced Doris Miller. Biden went back to form with William J. Clinton and George W. Bush.
Sure are a lot of future tranny mass shooters in this thread. Why don't you triggered homos go "hang" out on reddit where you belong, okay? /k/ doesn't like to associate with you TDS types that like to kill defenseless little kids.
>>64194594>>64194612>HMS King George VWas actually first done when he was alive
>>64194789How did Lyndon B Johnson get served off with a measly destroyer when he was one of the first congressmen to volunteer for an active role in the Navy?https://www.lbjlibrary.org/life-and-legacy/the-man-himself/lbjs-military-service
>>64194779The USS HMS Shippy McShipface
>>64194834HMS Queen Elizabeth was named after Queen Elizabeth after she died.
>>64194845Everyone hates LBJ. Conservatives hated him for his public projects, liberals hated him for Vietnam, Southerners hated him for civil rights.This current administration is one giant fuck you to all of his accomplishments. The boomers will never forgive him for their childhood.
>>64194815There's already a carrier for George Sr. Ford is built, Clinton is next, that leaves G.W., Obama, and Biden, if we leave Cadet bonespurs out of the equation. Personally I'd like to see another a Harris or a CVN Milley. They need to scrap the Forrestal and Carl Vinson ASAP. If America had any sense, once we get the orange turd out of office, we'd rename some capital ships to some of the civil rights leaders like Harvey Milk after the Sec Def retard changed them during his shitfit.
>>64194890Is there a /k/ reason to hate him aside from the GCA68?
>>64194915I mean he micromanaged the Vietnam War and got a lot of kids killed, but hindsight is 20/20.
>>64194915LBJ has caused more damage to the black race and culture in America than anyone else in US history through the creation of the welfare state. He's basically responsible for the disproportionately high level of nig crime and poverty, race-based equity being codified into law, and the consequences that have been passed down to everyone else in the country. His management of Vietnam was also poor. The combination of a lack of coherent strategic goals and fence sitting on decisive escalation/aid combined with the public perception fallout from the death toll for both Americans and Vietnamese, the draft, and unsanctioned clandestine invasions of ostensibly neutral Cambodia and Laos crippled the US war effort and arguably turned Vietnam from a winnable to an unwinnable war. Also plenty of other reasons, like being kind of a sleazy politician and there's a nonzero possibility that he was behind or involved in the assassination of JFK so fuck him.
very mad that there's like eight carriers named after gay-ass presidents and no wasp or yorktown
>>64194984>nonzero possibility that he was behind or involved in the assassination of JFKHe sold this nation to the state of Israel and oversaw the USS Liberty massacre. Look up his mistress, year 1967
>>64194442USS Boe Jiden would be a killer name tho
>>64194312We should’ve been at USS Barack Obama by now. Cordis Die
>>64194680I can only assume they're saving Enterprise for the first warship of the Space Force.
>>64194312Its an absolute travesty that there isn't a USS Floyd.
>>64195184
>>64194984>>64195073Hush children
>>64194300>USNS City of BismarckI'm still mad about that one.
>>64194312I vote the USS Magnus Hirschfeld, the USS John Money, and the USS Oskar Dirlewanher. Each of these men exemplified true American heroism.
>>64194300No public servant should get military honors, only military personal.
>>64194300they are behind by 3
>>64196277Fun fact: Presidents are eligible to be buried at Arlington.
>>64196277>Sailor or soldier later becomes a public servant.What then? I would argue that HW Bush deserves a carrier for his service in WW2.
>>64196295>Sailor or soldier later becomes a public servant.Then it's fine if their record was on par with others to recieve the honor.A Medal of Honor POTUS getting the honor would be fucking baller, a REMF POTUS getting the same honor as a Medal of Honor enlisted would be shameful.
>>64196303Teddy Roosevelt does have a carrier named after him.
>>64194300Ships should never bear a man's name. The names of battles, virtues, and legacies should be used. If we were going to do anything besides give carriers proper, American names like Wasp, Enterprise or Lexington, we should move to something much larger, like oceans, Greek goddesses or stellar phenomena. >tl;dr ships are girls>stop naming them after boys
Personally I'd go with Presidents can be used, but: - The name become usable posthumously - The President can request they be named after a different type of ship, if it fundamentally makes sense for them to request that (e.g. USS Jimmy Carter) - Presidents who served in some capacity beyond "Commander in Chief" should receive priority over those that did not
>>64196388they only have Obama trump and biden left man, none are military
>>64196405>they only have Obama trump and biden leftCan you show me a current recognition diagram of the USS Zachary Taylor please?
>>64194300>surely there has to be a better convention, no? should it be limited to just presidents with military service?Name them all after states since they're essentially the flagships of the USN. Go back to naming the subs after species of fish.
>>64196405Go backwards. USS John Adams is still available.
>>64196451Here is the perfect list to pick from.https://valor.defense.gov/Recipients/Navy-Medal-of-Honor-Recipients/
>>64196388Presidents and their immediate next of kin should also have the right to request that they NOT have vessels named after them at all.
>>64196244Get out of my country traitor Foreign Agent or will have ICE come to your door and throw (You) the fuck out forcibly
>>64196497Yep, I think that makes sense as a subclause to the second point. I'd probably say it needs the caveat that something like that needs to be publicly announced so that people don't think that a particular president doesn't get a ship because of politics
>>64196405>>64196462Even post-war Nixon has been skipped so far. Guy worked in the navy in various administrative and logistic roles during the war.
>>64196535Off-topic, but Nixon is being rehabilitated rn, which is weird to see.
>>64196535USS Tricky Dicky would make for one hell of a covert ops vessel
>>64196535>>64196541He resigned in disgrace to avoid impeachment, is that really worthy of great military honor?
>Carriers - States/Historical names >>USS Texas>>USS New York >>USS Enterprise >LHD's - Notable naval engagements >>USS Coral Sea >>USS Midway >CA/CL - Doesnt matter since they are being phased out >DD - Cities >>USS Philadelphia>>USS Dallas >Frigates - Notable sailors >>USS John Paul Jones>>USS David Farragut>Subs - no names. just hull numbers Change my mind >you cant
>>64196541Because people are realizing that what NYT or WaPo write is not necessarily the truth. He was also insanely popular during his term. Very Trumpian in many ways. >>64196556Yes.
>>64196556He was cleared of all charges.He was not a crook.
>>64196570>He was cleared of all charges.But he wasn't, he resigned before the impeachment vote making it pointless.
>>64196579There were no criminal charges against him.
>>64196569Woodward and Bernstein were not bad journos, but they ruined American journalism because every journo suddenly wanted to be the next Woodward or Bernstein.
I like the British names although it seems they are getting rid of the alphabetical convention on the new subs? (Warspite is a great name)
>>64196569It's because there's a concerted effort amongst his henchmen and their disciples who now occupy high places of government and society (Roger Stone for one) to rehabilitate him and his behavior, partially because they believed they were in the right for committing their crimes, and partially because they want to go further and rehabilitating his image means people like you will accept more and more egregious crimes and sins against this great nation.And honestly, it's been working so far. Hunter S. Thompson is rolling in his grave.
>>64196614>their crimes
>>64196621Yes, their crimes. A number of them went to jail for things like burglary, obstruction of justice, perjury, conspiracy for all of those things. It's absolutely wild that people are so degenerate today as to try and whitewash these things for the sake of power, or even just to be "right" on the internet.
>>64196591>>64196621>it's not a crime if you aren't charged>Hillary did nothing wrong>Hunter did nothing wrong>Trump did nothing wrongI think keeping criminals out of office should be bipartisan with the public even if both parties would rather continue being criminals.If they can't be kept out of office at least don't give them military honors.
>>64194850USS Egg Boy, Boat.
>>64194312>we'd rename some capital ships to some of the civil rights leaders like Harvey Milk after the Sec Def retard changed them during his shitfit.Exquisite bait *chefs kiss*
>>64194490Why did you name five different vessels after trump? >no USSS Oreo
>>64194300The US should name their ships after their forefathers or heroes of the past, or even just the name of a US state or city.
>>64194779>not even the crew know the name of their ship this month
>>64196661We have to assume someone innocent until proven guilty.As long as you're not convicted by a court you're not a criminal.
>>64196775And if the only reason you never see the inside of a court is you pardon yourself?Sure you are legally in the clear but that is not honourable and brings shame to any organization that will honor you.
>>64194680>>64195159Enterprise is already slated for CVN-80 and has been so for nearly a decade, she was laid down several years ago
>>64194657>USS Reasonable Doubt
>>64194856Wrong. The HMS Queen Elizabeth named after a WW1-era battleship that was named after Queen Elizabeth I.I'm not that keen on naming warships after political leaders anyway. Names like "Indefatigable", "Conqueror", "Dreadnought", and "Warspite" were better, and often carry centuries-long histories. Much better than some random politician.
>>64196796Who pardoned himself? Nixon certainly didn't.
>>64196812And Queen Elizabeth I died in 1603, a few years before WW1.
>>64196591He was preemptively pardoned by Ford.
>>64194544>naming a sub after Bobby LeeIgnoring all politics, this seems pretty dumb, seeing as Robert E. Lee served in the United/Confederate States Army, not the Navy. If you wanted to name a submarine after a Confederate, Horace Lawson Hunley would be the obvious choice seeing as he built and commanded the first submarine to be successfully used in combat.
>>64196814Trump pardoned himself and his whole family, Biden pardoned himself and his whole family, Nixon was pardoned by Ford his former VP.Lets not pretend there are good people at the top of politics.
>>64196686>USS Welfare >USS Food Stamps
>>64196775>We have to assume someone innocent until proven guilty.That's only for courts. If you see a person murder someone in cold blood before your own eye and then avoid persecution he's still a murderer objectively.
>>64196824>naming a sub after Bobby LeeWhy would you name a submarine after pic related?
>>64196824At the time, SSBNs were being named for notable people in American History. Lafayette, Patrick Henry, Thomas Edison, Tecumseh, Stonewall, Von Steuben, and Pulaski all had boats named after them in the '41 for Freedom".
>>64196596Woodward was (former) Naval Intelligence.
>>64194300They should name it after people from humble upbringings that did something heroic in the armed forces Not wealthy politicians Start with Medal of Honor and Purple Heart awardees
>>64196541>Off-topic, but Nixon is being rehabilitated rn, which is weird to seeConsidering that Watergate is like 95% of what the public knows about Nixon can be summed up as "Watergate and Vietnam" he didn't really have anywhere to go but up. As a president Nixon is a mixed bag through and through but as a man he's quite interesting. Self-made, brilliant, hard-working, well-read, a devoted husband, shrewd, bitter, vengeful, painfully human, insecure, paranoid and awkward. Almost byronic, really. He also had BY FAR the most adversarial relationship with the media than any president before Trump, going all the way back to 1948.
>>64196871>namefag doesn't know how destroyer names are chosenunsurprising, desu
>>64194506USS Circle Back Doesn’t do anything but infighting and argue Crewed by all females
>>64196875The Checkers speech is kino.
Seeing the rehabilitation of Nixon is kind of odd seeing how degen his administration was in many respects, beyond Watergate which was also legitimately very bad.His admin was in many ways responsible for the awful economic situation for the United states in the 1970s through his politicisation of the Fed, and he majorly screwed up Vietnam both by reneging on his election promise to rapidly end the war, and then completely screwing up the post withdrawal by cutting aid during the 73 recession/oil crisis that effectively collapsed the South Vietnamese economy.
>>64196654>>64196661Nixon was not personally responsible for those crimes. >B... but he resigned! Because Democrats controlled both chambers and were going to boot him out of office regardless of what evidence did or did not exist. Nixon was wildly popular and was a change candidate who actually did the things he said he would do. He fell afoul of partisan politics. People are slowly starting to realize this. Simple as.
>>64196875Fun fact about Nixon: he was outrageously good at poker. He used the winnings from all the games he played in WW2 to fund his first political campaign.
>>64196908Bruh, read a fucking book.
>>64196923>read a book Classic midwit response>b... but thats not what I was taught about topic X!
>>64196535I doubt they'd name a combat ship after a Quaker.
>>64195159There's no reason to 'save it', because there's no possibility of confusing "Enterprise the carrier" with "Enterprise the spaceship". We had a shuttle named Enterprise, nobody cared.
Naming flagships after politicians is just a sign of the decay of the US. You were the President, that is an honor in of itself.
>>64196824That's an intelligent and well thought out response, and honestly you're right. The fifties was definitely a different era though, and I suspect the decision was rooted more in pop culture than logic.
>>64196925Well no, it's more along the lines of "that's not what fucking happened" and "you're badly misinformed."I'm being generous here; you could be lying to us and purposely trying to muddy the water, but I think it's more likely you're just a stupid horse's ass.
>>64194389This. Yorktown, Lexington, Hornet, Essex, Midway, Ranger, Enterprise and Wasp. Those were PROPER carrier names.
>>64196944The South has always had a lock on the Senate and uses it to extract things that favor it. The fact that civil rights was passed at all is a testament to LBJ's understanding of this and ability to cajole people into doing his bidding.
>>64194397Agreed.>>64194693Maybe because he was a limp, weak, senile piece of shit. Doesn't exactly project power.
>>64196947>no ur wrong >no I cant say why or how
>>64194300Can't wait for the USS Kamala Harris and USS Gavin Newsome tbqh
>>64196971I did tell you why. You're just playing dumb to bait people.
>>64196978>still no argument
>>64194680Ford was also a naval pilot that saw action in the Pacific during WWII but you already knew that right?
>>64196971>>64196978>>64196985different anon here, but according to command responsibility principle you can be sentenced to death in military court for something the troops under your command did even if they did it against your direct orders
>>64197014Yeah I replied above to that anon, but (even though Ford is a deep stater on the Warren Commission) Gerald Ford did serve in World War II USN and I've got no real problem with the "justification" for naming a CVN class after him
>>64197022Which would matter if he wasn't implicitly involved in the coverup (he was), if not the actual burglary itself (which is unclear). Or the illegal use of the government to discredit and punish innocent Americans for having the gall to notice their crimes and speak out.Which is where we are now in this country, except all the men of decency and virtue are gone, replaced by stooges who care little for this country or their fellow Americans.
>>64194300>surely there has to be a better convention, no?Auspicious Crane, Heavenly Castle and Cloud Dragon are laughing at you.
>>64196966wait..... are we talking about trump?
How about naming a carrier after John McCain? DDG-56 isn't going to last forever.
>>64194307USS Netanyahu
>>64194312I applaud you for this bait. 10/10
>>64196892It's an overreaction to the continuous attack on his image all the way up to the present day. He also came after Johnson, another president who was/is endlessly glazed in mainstream circles despite also being absolutely catastrophic to the future of America. This is not to say that he was right or a good president, but I can sort of understand why the modern pro-Nixon crowd glosses over his presidency's many faults.
>>64197214A true American hero!Come to think of it, considering how business-oriented Donny Boy is do you think he would offer to name USN ships after donors? We've already had corporate sponsorships for the US Army's 250th anniversary parade so it wouldn't be a huge leap.>USS Jeff Bezos>USS Peter Thiel>USS Mark Zuckerberg>USS Elon Musk>USS Pfizer>USS Nvidia>USS Walmart>USS PalantirWhat types of ships would these be?
>>64198510>USS Nvidia
>>64198510>WW3 breaks out>America breaks out the Walmart barges
>>64194300Just give them names likes "Unit 5 of the type 12 boat"
>>64196824They were just trying to get southern congressmen to approve the funding. A lot of the pre Ohio boomers had retarded names.
>>64194300They should name carriers after STDs so the CIA has reason to invent moreI thank God every day for the social curse of AIDS and wish we had 10, no 20, more just like it.
>>64196871Surprised you didnt say your doordash driver fatty
>>64196875It's funny because Watergate was barely anything compared to the treason he commited to win the 1968 election.Johnson should have had that insecure little shit shot by firing squad for undermining a ceasefire, and we're in the state we are today because a rich Australian faggot couldn't handle seeing that weirdo get ousted from an office he never should have had.
>>64199080He won w/ 301 electoral votes. Get over it.
>>64194702Independence class carrier, and later a Ticonderoga class.
>>64198831that's what the ID number is for. if you can't see the value on clarity and memorability of having an actually name for the boat, you are autistic.
>>64197144What am i looking at here?
>>64199543>What am i looking at here?CVA-59_fire_aft_deck_plan.png
>>64194312I'd accept this if we get to name ships after the good Confederate generals again. And Native American leaders, too. Hell, maybe even throw in Jefferson Davis and name a ship in the same class as Obama's is in for irony points.
>>64199543https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_USS_Forrestal_fire
>>64196609HMS Ambush has to be one of the best names for a hunter-killer in history, god damn
>>64197085>Dude, I totally got assigned to Auspicious Crane!
>>64201446Don't bully Zuikaku
>>64202182Would
>>64199624>And Native American leaders>USS Wilma Mankiller
>>64202182It does annoy me that the carriers in Kankolle aren't chestlets to ensure that they're "flat tops"
>>64196824Hunley wouldn't be explicitly racist enough and the rubes down south might not recognize the dogwhistle.
>>64197144Did McCain get his reverse-ace?
>>64202465He didn't start the fire, nor was it his aircraft that accidentally fired the malfunctioning Zuni rockets. 110 did; He was in 416, which was possibly hit in the initial incident with the definitely hit 405.
>>64194312Gr8 B8 M8>>64199624>And Native American Leaders, too.This means you could name a Carrier USS Sealth. The ultimate bait, see how many turdies take it.Also have the Carriers George A. Custer and Sitting Bull. Have them have a constant rivalry. Decommission Custer first, by having an ASM strike deployed from SItting Bull.
>>64194312we should name them after john woo movies>USS Face/Off
>>64203067USS Hand of Death sounds pretty 40k. I'm sold.
No USS JohnsonNo USS Trump eitherThere will be USS Bush 1.0, USS Clinton, USS Bush 2.0, USS Obongo and USS Biden and USS Newsom
>>64203229There's already a Bush 41 you dolt
USS Moot when?
>>64194389At least we're going back to fish names for the new Virginia class subs
>>64197214>>64198510>obsessed You lost. Seethe more. >bezos >zuck>supporting TrumpHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>64194312Lol
