What does /k/ think of the Polish border fortifications in the east?
>>64195279Welcome to 1919.
>>64195279Wrong lessons learned, fortifications need to be mostly underground with proper reinforcement. That wire fencing isn't going to do shit.
The wooden supports will likely deteriorate quickly.Is this a temporary mockup?
>>64195279Pointless shit. If the investments they've made into artillery and ISR are even half as good as they're supposed to be, any oncoming threats will be smoking wrecks long before fags in trenches even get a visual on them. But I guess you have to keep people busy even when they've been rendered redundant by the tribulations of time, so you have them do this pantomime. Imagine being infantry in the current year, just fucking imagine it lol.
>>64195279Kalibr target practice))))))))))))))))))))))))))
>>64195299Wouldn't the wire fencing be placement for future above head fortifications like in the back over there? This entire picture screams 'lets figure it out now so we don't have to later'
>>64195279 (OP)They sure trust a lot in the NATO jämmers and cUAS
>>64195383Placement for what? Where's the supporting structure? What's going to hold up the weight of the dirt you need to shovel on top of it?
Im polish and I think its retarded as fuckUnless its for some training, but still, those anti drone nets are cretinic.
>>64195322the wooden supports are only holding up chicken wire. The structural part is concrete
>>64195436Look in the back part of the picture, that concrete roof going over the trench.
>>64195279Seems a fine start if that covered structure at the back is supposed to cover the whole fortification.Wont protect much against direct artillery hits, but should provide enough protection against drone dropped grenades. Plant some bushes, trees and such after the line has been covered for some extra visual protection.
>>64195509>Plant some bushes, trees and such after the line has been covered for some extra visual protection.Turn it into a dual-use botanical garden
>>64195299All trenches need at least some overhead protection.Chicken wire + some netting/concealement is the light and quick version of a trench.
Wygląda chujowo.
>>64195279Isn't Russia collapsing against a third rate non NATO country with Ukraine? Why even waste money on rearming if they're getting wrecked and won't be ready to invade again for decades?
>>64195699They're destroying their future, but any sovereign country has a lot of resources to burn before total collapse. If russia doesn't collapse politically they have decades more in resources and misery to keep being violent retards.
>>64195279I think they need to build more. Mine factories must work overtime.
>>64195699disingenuous ziggerpost, but if Russia's economy absolutely needs to be at war to function right now. If it's allowed to pause the war and rebuild for even a year or so, it could attempt another chimpout and kill a lot of civilians in Poland or the Baltics. Unlike ziggers, white people care about their own countrymen dying so it's better to prepare just in case
>>64195699Russia collapsed many times before. Malignancy runs in their blood.
>>64195279Needs more concertina wire
>>64195279there won't be a ground war if NATO is involved
>>64195279No parapetNo fire stepsheep wire far too close to the trench to be of any use for dronesyour rifle will become entangled in that sheep wire in less than a minuteI hope there's fucking duckboard at the bottom of the trenchgigantic concrete slabs make it impossible to repair if an artillery round lands nearbyCome on, we know how to do that for more than a century, minus the drone part, this is a joke
>>64195741Oh I forgot that, add it to the list : >>64195750, you are right, anyone can approach and lob grenades in the trenchThis is "14yo made a WWI trench in his parents backyard" summer project.
>>64195750>RatTell me more about this
>>64195789Saddam's pet rat.
>>64195789it's still a problem in Ukraine, they seek warmth and food (not only the crumbles any soldier will drop, I let yo uguess what else they eat)
>>64195279>even the trenches have cope cages
>>64195750That's a fire trench, the ones on the photo are basic communication trenches.
>>64195811every trench becomes a fire trench, but OK, that just solves a third of the problems
>>64195789Saddam is hiding inside it
>>64195750No Saddam
Panther-Wotan Line was stronger than that
>>64195279PR bull.This is what the real stuff looks like.
>>64197626Stalker/5
>>64195789Well you're not gonna masturbate the whole war, are you?
>>64195296>>64195279>>64195322>>64195334>>64195363This would unironically completely blunt an entire VDV division with massive casualties to the attacker, based on what we have seen of Russian capabilities. The burning Russian convoys of Kiev faced no prepared defenses at all and were annihilated and sent retreating after a few days.Moreover based on Russian capabilities, they would eventually capture this trench but it would take around 16 months of daily human wave attacks and 50,000 casualties, capturing it only after the poles have run out of ammunition.
>>64195789
>>64195279This is for training
>>64195279After the way things have played out I wonder if these guys think they overprepared.
>>64195789Even in 2552 they will not have solved the rat problemhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT5GZY6UboE
>>64195279Horrible. They need german blockhouse fortresses.
Russia cannot achieve nor air superiority nor mobility so a Maginot line fortification will unironically be efficient there
>>64199287>all those guns facing west>only one facing eastwere the french stupid, or did they expect the germans to go around it?
>>64199316We had "troupes d'intervalle" troops positioned between the main fortifications in trenches to forbid the germans to go around. The higher command ordered these troops to fall back as soon as the germans were attacking, leaving the main forts alone.
>>64195279They arent prepared for being stabbed in the back by the reformed Wehrm... Bundesheer.
>>64195334Infantry is still the ones making gains on the ground, in Ukraine too. There is no level of firepower that can completely render infantry operations impossible. See for example Gaza.
>>64195279Can't see anything preventing the concrete panels to collapse into the trench, you definitely want that if the trenches should provide protection against artillery fire.
>>64199430could either be a U-shape, or two L-shapes pointed outwards, the L-shapes are pretty popular everywhere in poland and easy to acquiret.polak
>>64199430this is one of the biggest failure of this "design" : it is impossible to repair the trench so people can still use it to move if an arty round lands there, you'll have big pieces of concrete impossible to move, entangled on the bent rebar impossible to cut by what a soldier usually carry : a shovel
In Eastern Europe and Russia, trenches will likely need to be prepared for the muddy season.
>>64195299>That wire fencing isn't going to do shit.It will against infantry pidors going on foot, pidors on scooters, donkeys and so on. It's 2025 honey, get with the program.
The fact the west won't just give Ukraine enough missiles and intel to blow up Russia's oil infrastructure, forcing ukies to jury-rig their own drones for that means the situation isn't serious enough.Bullshit war, probably. They don't want Ukraine anywhere near western world, but also don't want them to align with Russia, so they let that shit happen and get the opportunity to plunder the country for all it's worth.
>>64199480Wouldnt Russians mounted on Mules technically count as Dragoons and not Infantry?
>>64199502They are using mules for moving stuff, not infantry, so no.
>>64199495>The fact the westbecause it's in the west's best interest to stall this for as long as possible so russia loses as much shit as possible and loses credibility and political power on the world stage?
>>64195699vatnikstan is arrogantly buying rope to hang itself. but they can still do a lot of damage before their imperial shitpile implodes for a third time in a hundred years. its obvious monke in particular in his seething hatred and contempt is determined to either occupy the european parts of the zigger union again. or cause as much damage to them as possible if he cant physically get them they have gone as far as leave the caucasus to turkey and central asia to china (for now). while turning a blind eye to changs creeping into siberia. that is how all in they have gone with this imperial occupation thing
>>64199516At this point they're just making China richer.
>>64195789I wouldn't worry-fret about it
>I will live to see Maginot 2.0
>>64199794this post is pretty suspicious-suspicious....
>>64199853I agree-concur with you
>>64199794>>64199853>>64199873
>>64199480>pidors going on foot, pidors on scooters, donkeysWe three kings of Orient are...
>>64195279No top cover in the year 2025 is fucking retarded. Shells from FPV bombers will drop right through the concertina wire, and if the enemy jumps in, congrats they've turned your own fortification against you. Bunkers are the wayhttps://en.defence-ua.com/weapon_and_tech/france_3d_prints_bunkers_germany_builds_trenches_like_lego_in_fortification_tech_push-15091.html
>>64199820Nah. Russia is bound to collapse the moment Putin dies.
I guess no one told these retards they now work for international corporations ever since their (((leaders))) sold their entire shithole "country" to globohomoists.Typical poolaks, always late to catch on.
>>64200176>poolaksAnd you're late to catch on to the beautiful idea that is Poland, a very noble and beautiful idea.P.S. No wonder a barbarian Germniggerkike like you hates it. Germs and kikes are alike after all.
>>64197626I never knew the forts and shacks me and my friends built in the forest from spare planks and pallets when we were 10 were military grade fortifications
Lazy. We do it better. Salpa line v2 totalen krieg! will not only protect against drones but gives full coverage against direct 152mm blasts too. Airproof hatches will make our innumerable bunkers resistant to thermobarics and napalm saturation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkQORseXb8U
>>64201837We will dig down and burrow in like moles. Finland is made of granite and can withstand nuclear blasts. We will strike from anywhere, in front of you, behind you, under you. We will never give up. You will see only what we let you see. This will be worse than Vietnam.
>>64195279Looks like it'll stop the ziggers for a couple weeks and kill several thousand of them.I mean, the bit we're seeing in the pic.
>>64195279> in the eastThey are bulding them on wrong side.
>>64195299I think the wire fencing is to prevent FPV drones from flying into the covered sections of the fortification.
>>64195750>no military issued cat
>>64195789It's like roomba that doesn't require charging, just with a higher chance of giving you salmonella.
>>64197839Everyone knows that the easiest way to defend against the VDV is to create a deep artificial lake for them to yeet themselves into
>>64202324that's a stupid waste of resources. what you do is get a large crate, prop it up with a stick, and place a bottle of vodka under it. also poison the vodka.
>>64202324>artificial lakeWe have lakes aplenty
>>64195279anything is better than nothing but what's a woman doing there
