Redpill me on .350 Legend, /k/
>>64198420AR brush gun. I've liked the ones I've shot.
>>64198420Sub 100 yards out an ar pretty ok
It's gay but it's slightly less gay than 8.6blk
>>64198420It exists because some states have banned hunting with bottlenecked cartridges. If you don't live in these states, it's pointless.
Has anyone ever tried subsonic loads for it like .300 Blackout?
>>64198476They are a thing
Pros: largest bore diameter you can get out of the standard AR bolt face and standard double-stack magazinesCons: limited to 20 round magazinesRedpill: if it were introduced 20 years ago with proper marketing it probably would've made good competition for the 300 Whisper, now that we have good adjustable gas blocks even more so
>>64198476>>64198556also he demonstrantrates you can go even heavier and still have good accuracy to 150yards
>>64198578While we’re on the subject, what’s the western equivalent of a 9x39? 300 BO doesn’t really count in my eyes as I find the smallish bore projectiles a bit too wimpy in gel tests. At least when it comes to subsonic loads. What would be a heavier grain, larger bore subsonic cartridge ideal for suppressor usage at sub 200 yd ranges?
>>64198467You are slightly gayer than cum on a mustache
>>64198614It's called the .358 Legend, it's a wildcat, where .350 Legend is loaded with rifle bullets from the 358 Winchester etc., instead of the pistol bullets it normally uses.That or the newish 338 Arc.
A cool thing that I haven't heard mentioned here yet is that if you have a single shot 350 LEG you can fire 380 Auto and 9x19 out of it too with decent accuracyIt doesn't headspace properly of course, the cases bulge, but they don't split and the bullets are still fairly accurate
>>64198686Here is what 380 and 9mm look like, fired in a 350 LEG single shot rifle
>>64198578You could go bigger without changing much. 6.8 SPC is perfectly reliable with normal AR bolt and receiver dimensions (it does use a larger bolt face though), and Six8 mags are 30 rounds and barely any bigger than a normal pmag. It has the same parent case as 10mm Auto, so you could fit a .40 caliber bullet with a standard AR upper and lower, you'd just need a new barrel and bolt. Even the magazine is optional, you can fit something like 26 rounds of 6.8 SPC in a normal AR mag.>>64198614Lots of options if you're building a bolt gun. For an AR the nonexistent wildcat I just described would be quite similar, but the closest you'll get otherwise is .350 Legend. ARC cartridges *technically* work in an AR platform, but the bolt face is so big that the bolt has to be milled down razor thin, see pic.
Arguably better than .300 aac except in magazine capacity. Even if your state doesn't require straight-wall cartridges it may have other restrictions like magazine capacity or suppressor bans. In those states .350 would be the better choice over .300. Better energy, better ballistics, slightly cheaper to buy, easier to handload, so on
>>64198632My wife fists me three times a month, can you say the same Imperial?
>>64198420Meme caliber for meme states
>>64198965>My wife fists meNTA but obligatory>"wife"I would attach a photo of a trap but I'm not a faggot and am too lazy to get one.
>>64199043She's an ugly 4'11 italian with massive flabby titties and a shared anal addiction, what else you wanna know?
>>64198933It also doesn't do ultrashort barrels well reliably. IE you can have a 7.5" 300blk cycle subs and supers suppressed or not and it'll run fine, but 350l below ~12" you're going to have problems mixing and matching bullet weights, velocities, and suppression without an adjustable gas block and tuning prior to to figure out your appropriate gas settings. 350l is primarily a hunting cartridge. 300blk is a subgun replacement cartridge.It's just a matter of different cartridges being more adept at different applications.
>>64198578>if it were introduced 20 years ago with proper marketing it probably would've made good competition for the 300 WhisperNo, it wouldn't have; the bottlenecked cartridge has the potential for a much faster velocity round. The .350 Legend would not have been successful back when the states that banned hunting with bottlenecked cartridges only allowed shotgun hunting instead.>>64198614Concept-wise the closest thing we have to the 9x39mm is the obnoxious 8.6 BLK, performance-wise it's probably the .338 ARC.
S&w makes a pretty cool x frame chambered in 350 legend and set up for 7 shots…
>>64198748>6.8 SPC bolt>same parent case as 10mm AutoAre you referring to .338 Spectre?
>>64199175>No, it wouldn't have; the bottlenecked cartridge has the potential for a much faster velocity round.That's silly. The 350 gets the same velocity out of a 165 grain bullet at the 300 does with a 130 grain bullet. Not to mention, the 350 will be more efficient in shorter barrels. It also has heavier subsonics. Basically everything that people love about the 300 Blackout, the 350 does better... just without spitzer bullets, which essentially doesn't matter in the whitetail or hog hunting the cartridges are limited to.
>>64199195No, I'm just pointing out that 6.8 SPC is usable in an AR without a special larger upper receiver, and that because 6.8 SPC and 10mm Auto are both based on the .30 Remington, you could neck up a 6.8 cartridge to accept the same bullets you'd use in a 10mm or .40 S&W.I'm not referring to a specific cartridge since as far as I know, no one has ever done this.
>>64199201>Not to mention, the 350 will be more efficient in shorter barrels.Are you crazy or just trolling?
>>64199254All other factors equal (and they essentially are with 350LEG vs 300BLK) a larger diameter bore will always burn powder more quickly than a smaller one.This is why 5.56 out of a 8" barrel is a meme, but is sort of fine with 300BLK.
>>64198420Peak PDW cartridge trapped in a fudd role. The 145gr FMJs do 1900 fps in a 7" barrel, which is just short of the muzzle velocity of 150gr .300 BLK in a 16" barrel.
>>64198748>>64199207>as far as I know, no one has ever done this.Funny you say that, because Winchester did exactly that a year or two after .350 Legend came out. You described it so well, I wouldn't be surprised if you were baiting replies like mine so you could proclaim .400 Legend superiority.
>>64198420Painfully queer. Just use .308 like a normal person.
>>64198420i shoot .357magnum because they dont make a .358magnum
>>64199062does she like sounding as well?
>>64198578>biggest double stacked thumperDon’t quote me but I’m 99% sure you can do that with 400 legend as well. It uses the 7.62x39/Grendel base diameter and 6.8SPC rim. It should double stack in grendel mags, but maybe you’d have to fuck with the internal ribs.>20 years too lateYeah. 300 blackout might not even be a thing. It comprehensively mogs 300 blackout in subsonic use (ogive length/shape is irrelevant for Mach <1). My only gripe with 350 legend though is in fact its ogive provisions, Just awful for supersonic loads. If the case were like 0.3” shorter, there would hardly be an argument for 300 blackout.>>64198614>while we’re on the subject, what’s the state site 9x39?The subject of this thread is the answer. It’s staring you right in the face.>>64198633>338 ARCTake your meme-posting somewhere else, hipster.>>64198748>6.8 SPCLook up the 400 legend. It’s exactly what you’re describing, except the base diameter (but not the rim) has been increased a bit to allow for a slight taper.I will never forgive this gay industry for unofficially standardizing on the 7.62x39 case head for wildcats instead of the 6.8SPC. The 6.8 already had a semi-standard receiver, 30rd pmags, and can withstand higher pressure for the same bolt thrust.>>64199024Of all the myriad firearms regulations, the straight-walled cartridge restriction for hunting is the least divorced from reality, the most sensible. They’re trying to limit the max external ballistics of your cartridge by limiting overbore ratio, so you don’t miss and nail some kid a mile away, or some other hunter, with 1000ft*lbs.>>64199201When someone says “bottlenecked is faster”, they are always assuming bullets of equal sectional density and equally appropriate barrel lengths (same % efficiency). The quantity SD*V^2 is always higher with a higher overbore ratio (more powder per unit bore area)
>>64198633>358 legendI just looked this up. How come Winchester didn’t drop 350 legend with 358 bullets right off the bat? Isn’t there a much bigger selection of .35X rifle bullets in .358?
>>64199315>peak PDWIn what world is an 1800ft*lb thumper a PDW cartridge? Unless by “PDW” you mean “SBR with a maxim/Q buttstock (not a PDW).”
>>64199705It's a PDW round in the more liberal definition of "concealable high-capacity semi-automatic carbine chambered in a rifle cartridge", but it doesn't necessarily fail any of the iffy "formal criteria".
>>64199337Huh, I've never heard of this before, I wonder why it didn't get more press. Looks like it's not quite what I was describing, it's got a rebated rim the same size as 6.8/10mm but a larger base, I guess to give it more taper. Do you use it with Six8 mags or does it need its own magazine? How many can you fit?
>>64198578>Redpill: if it were introduced 20 years agoIt's basically a rimless version of a .360 Express, a cartridge that came out in the 1870's.
>>64198686>It doesn't headspace properly of course, the cases bulge, but they don't split and the bullets are still fairly accurateWould it not cause big bore erosion due to the huge amount of freebore meaning that the bullets hit the rifling at high speed?
>>64200342People shooting round nose subsonic bullets from straight walled cartridges don't give a shit about things like throat erosion. It's never going to get bad enough to cause you to miss at 100 yards.
>>64199700The bore is ~.355. But Ohio (and probably some other states) has a .357 regulation. So the 350 legend fires .357 to .355 pistol bullets through the .354 bore. That squeezes the bullet .003.They probably considered the extra .001 in bullet diameter would be too much. More importantly, .358 bullets are heavier and would be higher pressure. You're already at the pressure limit with the lighter rounds anyway.>>64200342you're going to have a hell of a time causing any amount of erosion shooting pistol rounds in a single shot
>>64200670> More importantly, .358 bullets are heavier and would be higher pressure(358/357)^2=1.005. 0.5% heavier lol.>pressure limitNot that pressure would increase by moving to 358, but you’d be surprised what kind of bolt thrust the 5.56 bolt is capable of withstanding. As for the case, m855a1 runs at around 68kpsi without issue from brass cases.
>>64198471This is the real answer
>>64199700>>64200670Pretty sure you can't load a .358 Winchester bullet to magazine length with a .350 Legend case.>>6420070968ksi EPVAT is only around 60ksi piezo.
>>64200709Use your brain anon. I mean that the average 358 rifle bullet is going to be heavier because they're for rifles while 355 are for pistols.Think 180 grain on the low end of 358, while 355 goes down to stuff like 90 grain for 380 Auto. That's double which is pretty damn significant.>>64200753You can, at the cost of powder space, which is again an issue the 358 legend hasAgain, this was all stupid and exists only because of cucks in the midwest, it should have been 358 Legend from the start, firing 180-300 grain rifle bullets
>>64200768You sure? The ogive on most .358 Winchester loads I see looks longer than the space available with .350 Legend.
>>64200779You know the bullet can be seated deep into the case right?The cartridge headspaces off the rim which is flared, while the body is the part providing the tension.
>>64200810>The cartridge headspaces off the rimNo it doesn't. 350L headspaces off the case mouth.
its for hunting in ohio
>>64200831That's what I meant, brain fart.Either way, it doesn't change that one can seat the bullet deeper.
>>64199062Fucking hot.
