>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beDT-8EvBewBeretta and Sako are the 2 main competitors for the UK next service rifle, Beretta offering the NARP and SAKO offering the M-23. Which one do you think will win?
>Beretta AR vs Beretta-owned company's ARRiveting, my dude.
Is that official? Seems like there are much more obvious options being ignored if these two are in the lead. Like I don't even like the 416, but logistically and strategically its the best choice, as two of their 5 closest neighbours use it and its a well established proven design. Similarly both Denmark and the Dutch use the C8, which the bongs have already decades of (admittedly small) institutional familiarity with. And again you've got the SR15, which is already in increasingly common use; since the royal marines can be seen using it it clearly isn't strictly issued to the ranger regiment. Obviously the chosen design will be an AR, that much was preordained, but with that said it doesn't make sense to go with these hipster ARs.
>>64199644BDT UK, H&K, SIG Sauer and Knights Armament Company are known to be submitting proposals. Others are also involved but have yet to be named publicly. BDT UK (Berretta's UK arm) are apparently submitting the NARP and Sako in some configuration. These are also, if selected, likely to be manufactured in the UK - potentially entirely.H&K we don't yet know what they're going to bring but have plenty of potential options.SIG probably the MCX but again they haven't yet specified.KAC probably the KS-1 in some configuration.And then whoever else is involved when they finally show something.
>>64199586BerettaJust no fucking way they're letting their own subsidiary win
>>64199586How is it that that Magpul stock has become the standard on almost every European AR I see nowadays?
>>64199732Magpul makes good products and surprisingly for some reason *doesn't* charge jewish prices.
>>64199760Wrong.>>64199732Europeans like to suck off American companies.
>>64199586> Narp
>>64199644>416HK is so maxed out rn I'm surprised they're even competing.
>>64199784Lol I remember them coping and saying they'd name it later. Knew they were fos.
>>64199713I have worked for Tikka in the past. From what I heard Beretta is very hands off in their approach beside having engineers on rotation like if it was a school exchange program. If your company is only having financial issues but the products are good (the issue with Sako and Tikka before being bought) they will only give you a blank check. The same cannot be said for their other subsidiary like Steiner that they have tried to unfuck for the past 15+ years.
>>64199803>From what I heard Beretta is very hands off in their approachMaybe they are like that nowIn the ARX days they didn't want any competition from Sako
>>64199805afaik Sako had no plans to develop an assault rifle until 2018.
Dudes, I'm tired. I want the three trillion AR-18/180 variants back. Sure they were operationally the same, but at the barest minimum they had the decency to look distinct. The G36, the L85, the likes of ACR and XM8, even. Just some reason to keep on living.
>>64199586>Beretta and Sako are the 2 main competitors for the UK next service rifleno they're not. They're just the two being offered through that Beretta's UK distributor
Any chance of the RM277 being submitted?
>>64200030A chance I guess. You never know. It's a big project to sell a lot of guns to a major military. I expect most if not all European arms manufacturers have some sort of entry as well as a few American ones and possibly even something from the Far East. What has been shown so far have been of standard configuration, but again, you never know what else might turn up
>>64199586what's the deal with companies making ar15s but with square rears?
>>64199586It's the same fucking gun?
>>64201326The Sako is a piston AR-15, the NARP is more along the lines of an MCX but is a bit prettier, has a quick detachable handguard, and not made by SIG. Beretta likes to show the NARP with an adjustable tube stock for some reason, but it's bufferless. It has provisions for a side charging handle.Both companies are offering guns in more than one caliber
>>64199732Because it's the best stock for an AR15 and if you don't use one you are unironically wrong and gay
>>64199586>Beretta>subsidiary of BerettaIt's all coming up for Beretta
>>64201284Modern manufacturing techniques with CNC machines - fewer operations and easier to clean up.The "classic" look for the fencing and reinforcements owes a lot to the fact US mil-spec receivers were forged type
>>64199732Because it's in the supply chain along with their magazinesAt least so far as Britain goes, the Magpul stock ended up being on everything trialled for the UKSF, RM and ASOB contracts regardless of what stock the manufacturers initially submitted the rifles with.
FN should submit their Irregular Warfare Service Rifle concept, in whatever caliber the MoD is looking for.Or they should just issue out the KAC KS1 to everyone, and by everyone I mean every other soldier that actually matters in the MoD, which is not that many. british military is a joke that will not play a substantial role in future conflicts, like the spanish or italians
>>64200030didnt it have a dismal accuracy? moving barrel and such
>>64201426this gun is so sexy just my taste
>>64201426shoulda been the m7
>>64201426Their Navy will for like 3 days before they eat all the Torps and AShM they can't handle. The HMS Queen Elizabeth is probably a bigger target for the Russians than the USS Jimmy Carter.Hey Brits and Nords handle the North Atlantic we gotta protect Central Atlantic shipping a la REFORGER while also protecting the Med and the Pacific>>64201426For some strange reason they basically ruled out the KS-1 as is for general issue - probably cost.
>>64201503>For some strange reason they basically ruled out the KS-1 as is for general issue - probably cost.Because KAC can't produce tens of thousands of them, and they wont allow licenced manufacturing because they're KAC
>>64199732>cheap>lightweight>good ergos>looks goodUnironically what more could you want?
>>64201737sovl
>>64199586Oh they're gonna fuck this up. The NARP is inferior to an AR, and the Sako is just a standard AR (or inferior piston AR).The UK should do what NZ did; get an AR with the weaknesses fixed.>lobster-tail extractor>full-face bolt>stress-relief lug geometry>lug 4 delete>JP enhanced gas rings>straight gas tube>field-adjustable gas block>sand-cut carrier>hard chrome carrier/bolt finish (or something actually better, which is 99% of the time not true)Just as a start. If they go with dual ejectors CLOCK THEM WITH LUGS 3 AND 5. Otherwise don't bother. The vast majority of dual-ejector bolts are simply weaker than a single ejector because they thin the material between the lugs.This is why gun autism is essential, I bet there's fewer than 10 people in the entire UKMOD which could repeat something like the list I just gave.Or, if staying with a bullpup, Desert Tech WLVRN.
>>64201783t. small arms solutions
>>64201790Unironically the head of the British army should call him and SOTAR before buying thousands of ARs.Also instead of browsing for a product they should publish a spec and have companies compete to that spec, the way they're doing things is backwards. Also forgot from the list;>>64201783>blind cam pin hole (HM defense HMB bolt etc.)Can't believe I forgot that it's actually important.
>>64199766Cope.
>>64199787Are they? The only contract HK has right now is the German one afaik and they have huge staffing problems with all the baby boomers retiring now (that’s at least what German media reports)
>>64201813Project Grayburn is currently in it’s concept phase and aims to define the requirements for a new and reliable next-generation rifle with improved interoperability, as well as taking into consideration whether to retain 5.56 or adopt a successor round like 6.8 Common Cartridge or 6.5mm Creedmoor. With a focus on potentially re-arming British industry for small-arms manufacturing. The assessment phase of Project Grayburn is expected to happen sometime in 2026.
>>64199586Oh look another episode of Everyone Picks the Wrong Choice.
>>64201835Having staff problems and being maxed out makes a lot of sense.Also I can believe it. Oberndorf isn't exactly a prestigious place to live in.
>>64201859>as well as taking into consideration whether to retain 5.56 or adopt a successor round like 6.8 Common Cartridge or 6.5mm CreedmoorIf they're gonna switch and want more effectiveness;>neck down 350 legend to 224 (22Max basically)>shellshock NAS3 cases85gr 224 VLDs going over 2850 from a 16" barrel. Fits in any receiver and bolt which accommodates 5.56. Maintains low recoil and good MPBR of 5.56 while doing way better in wind/drop/energy retention. Not absurd pressure Sig bullshit. All you need are new magazines which are virtually the same exterior dimensions, just straighter and slightly longer.NAS3 cases are already price-competitive with brass despite being produced in lower number and being a novel product, they're also lighter. Even if they stick with 5.56 they should switch to a hybrid case which will get cheaper than brass at volume.
>>64200030Probably not, since the only reason it was ever viable was for bringing the recoil of a full power rifle cartridge down to manageable levels. There's no reason for it with 5.56, and no other country is boomer infested enough to consider a standard issue battle rifle in the modern era.>>64201453Yes. It's so bad that it lost to a gun where the handguard falls off every few hundred rounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgsW5msmZc4
>>64199586>Shitty ugly zoomer AR vs shitty ugly zoomer AR
>>64199732Good stock.>>64202187Zoomers are fighting age men now, anon.
>>64201866>It's seems my superiority has led to me becoming completely irrelevant
>>64201783>Or if staying with a bullpup stick with desert tech No. Why would you recommend the least reliable and least produced bullpup with no modern military use as a replacement? Your vast knowledge of ARs doesn't translate to knowledge of bullpups. Desert tech is just a garbage company.
>>64202561Not the gun's fault the military is completely useless at choosing new weapons and has been for decades.
>>64202593>is it possible that my designs not actually as good as i pretend that it is>no, everyone else must be wrong
>>64202597In this case, that is actually the case.
>>64202639post your XCR then
>>64201503>HMS Queen Elizabeth is probably a bigger target for the Russians than the USS Jimmy Carter.They'll be too busy looking for the HMS Boris Johnson.
>>64202644No, you're not allowed to see it after you insulted it.
>>64202667noguns faggot detected
>>64202670It's irrelevant, it doesn't exist anymore :0
>>64199586The Sako looks like my new Australia-legal AR15
>>64201866>Oh man, I wish I had the loser option to the SCAR Lmao, what are you, a Canadian?
>>64201426FN finally playing to the "modern FAL" crowd
>>64201426Man, what a distressingly sexy gun. I really dig the busy/chamfered/anodized design trend. Its silhouette is a lot like the XCR's.How was the .264 LICC btw?
>>64202748pump action, yeah?
>>64199586With all the new AR derivatives why do they keep retaining the retarded fucking charging handle deaign?
>>64202925Zero relation to the FAL, FAL owners, FAL employment, or their preferences. You can tell because it isn't a giant piece of shit.
>>64203069The AR has the best charging handle. You only use it the first time you load it and during stoppages; and its completely unobtrusive at all other times.
>>64203055yeah
>>64202918Nice opinion, did a redditor give it to you?
>>64201383So two two AR-18s cool. same gun.
>>64201866Based Want
>>64203089You are aware most guns don't have stoppages in the first place?
