Did soldiers in nam dress like this? Sleeveless torn up shirts and bandanas? Didn't they have a grooming etiquette like other militaries, or were simply let by the US gov to look like hobos?
>>64204315>Sleeveless torn up shirts and bandanas?they wouldnt deliberately tear their sleeves offnot just because its against regulation but because the sleeves helped keep mosquitoes from biting themnot just that but clothes were always a bottom tier priority compared to petrol and bullets, so they werent going to rip them up when a new one wasnt guaranteedit was more common to roll up their sleeves which did the same thing but without permanently damaging it
No, platoon is just a movie women made up to ogle biceps for 2 hours
>>64204315Vietnam was a draft, you can't hold conscripts to strict grooming standards, what are you going to do, put them in the brig and not let them fight the war they didn't volunteer to fight in?
'nam thread?
>>64204367Interestingly enough, we actually had more draftees in WWII than Vietnam and more volunteers in Vietnam than WWII.
Conscripts would be more likely to personalize gear than enlisted due to lower standards, especially because no one wanted to be drafted for jungle patrols on foot against an entrenched enemy in their own geographic neighborhood.
>>64204420do you mean by percentage?because over 6M men volunteered for service in WW2the other thing to note is that FDR actually ended voluntary military service in order to keep enlistment fairyou could volunteer to be put on the draft, but you could no longer directly volunteer to be on the while conscription was enacted in vietnam, they were mostly stationed in places like west germany to free up volunteers for combat duty
>>64204420Probably enough stories from WWII vets telling them to volunteer for Vietnam so they can choose an MOS and just just be drafted for meat waves
that's a movie...
Roughly half of US fighting troops at any given point in the war were volunteers. Our draftees had less reason to feel motivated like in WWII.But shit like hair too long and excessive personalization of equipment and personal gear wasn't until shortly before we stopped playing an active role anymore. To a degree yes, but nothing at all like your pic til like '71
you have any idea how hot it is in the humid jungle?
>>64204617Most people here don't leave their mom's house and if they shoot it's at a 25yrd indoor range.Once you realize this, the retarded opinions make sense
>>64204617hotter than the desert?
>>64204661Yes. Humidity makes things so much worse as it prevents sweat from evaporating. There's a reason why jungle tribals are effectively naked and desert tribals wear loose full body coverings
>>64204617That's such a kino pic. > SSG Barnes in the foreground. "We need every swinging dick in the field, and you know that"> The Accountant just clean yeeted some VC/villager from 450 yards with his M14 and is savoring the moment. > The 60 gunner is cursing the Pig and telling himself a dirty joke as he clears the feed tray.> Bo in the background is enjoying a Marlboro and can't wait to tell the boys back in Possum Corner how fun this shit was.
>>64204315Didn't they have a grooming etiquette like other militaries, or were simply let by the US gov to look like hobos?Man armies are such faggots:>you can’t hecking kill that gook- your boots and buttons aren’t polished and your hair is too long!!
>>64204809>Didn't they have a grooming etiquette like other militariesOf course they did. But morons like OP think hollywood movies are reality. Next he's going to be asking if medieval knights really fought without helmets like they did in Braveheart.
>>64204420More men volunteered for WW2 than the US was willing to send due to wanting a functional economy.The only reason there was a draft for WW2 is they wanted to send the uneducated farmer instead of letting the educated engineer volunteer.
>>64204661I think fear from dying (slowly and agonizingly) from nerve gas is a vital distinction between Vietnam and Desert Storm.>NVA uses nerve gas>USA wins the war in (actually) 3 days (with nukes)Alas, the communists were not that stupid. The Khmer Rouge, on the other hand... I am surprised they did not do anything this retarded.
>>64204766This. It’s like being in a wet sauna vs a dry sauna.
>>64204359They all look like a bunch of goobers, all skinnyfat, no chest hair and manlets by today's standard. I wonder where the roided bearded gymbro spec ops look came from
>>64204420Yeah, because they knew they were gonna get drafted anyway.
>>64204483No shit dumbo, you think people here haven't seen Platoon?
>>64204833I was quoting OP my guy
>>64204475My great grandfather (father's mother's father) did this in WWII. He volunteered for the merchant marines to avoid combat. His son in law (my grandfather), however, hated my grandmother and loved the action so much that he volunteered for three tours in 'Nam as infantry. He would later go on to abandon his children and start a new family on the other side of town; I've never met him.
>>64204880Only came around during GWOT and its mostly a Seals thing, most soldiers in today's age would be called skinnyfat by most of /fit/ since soldiers mostly just haul shit all day on their core instead of doing proper lifts.
Ain't nothing like a piece of pussy, except maybe the Indy 500
>>64204880cringe
>>64204809That's a discipline thing and in Vietnam at times the discipline totally went to shitThat's why it's the aesthetically superior war
>>64204880>I wonder where the roided bearded gymbro spec ops look came fromGWOT - instead of patrolling a jungle for three days straight, where being light and energy-efficient is of benefit, they started doing direct action raids every night, often multiple ones a night, for six months straight, while during the days they had nothing to do except rest, lift, and prep for the next night. And many of them turned to roids just to keep up because of how draining this was
>>64204420My uncle "volunteered" when the alternative was going to prison after he was caught stealing a safe.
>>64204315oliver stone spent his considerable talents as a kremli propagandist, go read up on it and his interviews with puti and worship of chavez and castro
>>64205196What's kremli? What's puti?
>>64205189I never got how "join the military or go to jail" was supposed to work. What happens if you accept but the military rejects you? Do you get sent back to prison?
>>64205265Generally the judge had a pretty good idea if you were some kind of crippled by the time you got in front of him. Army tanked standards hard in vietnam.
>>64205196>go read up on it and his interviews with puti and worship of chavez and castrohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Putin_Interviewsthus snowdenjfketc etchttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_of_the_Border_(2009_film)he's talented but a kremlin shill
>>64205196>>64205288meds
>>64205265They weren't rejecting very many mid vietnam
>>64204315Depends on what time frame you're talking about. If its 1969-1971 when the US basically threw in the towel and started pulling troops out to transfer everything to South Vietnam, then yes.
>>64204359what are they even doing in this picture lol chopping up a hat?
>>64204420>>64204367The number of draftees in Vietnam increased as the war went on. There was more volunteers during the first years and more draftees on the later years
>>64205360the guy with the axe is blindfolded. figure it out, genius.
>>64204661you understand that in the desert it gets cold at night right
>>64205374what doesn't get cold at night?
>>64205189that happened in WWII too though
>>64204661i've been in the Iraqi desert in the summer, it's actually not that bad. the wind is strong and blows into your face like a hair dryer, but the heat is very, very dry. Summer in western Europe is worse desu. Just stay out of the sun, cover your head, drink a lot of water, and you're good. I've heard stories about the humidity of jungles in SEA, a friend of mine did a tour into the jungle of thailand, he said once you enter the jungle it's like walking through a curtain made of a hot, wet towel into a sauna. After 30 seconds, you're completely drenched in sweat. That's honestly the worst kind of heat i can imagine.
>>64205378It gets particularly cold at night in a desert, the temperature variation in arid, windy climates is absurd, to the point where at day it's scorching hot and at night it's freezing cold.
>>64204880The roid look only came into fashion during the 80s, the era of action films starring Schwarzenegger and his ilk. Before then you'll never see many knowing what the body builder physique looked like, let alone an entire generation of grunts emulating it. And of course there's a time lag because it was the children and teenagers who grew up watching these films that were into lifting. The military doesn't like it because it's form over function, but it can't be stopped and it's basically a part of culture now.
>>64205410>Yes. Humidity makes things so much worse as it prevents sweat from evaporating>>64205410>I've heard stories about the humidity of jungles in SEA, a friend of mine did a tour into the jungle of thailand, he said once you enter the jungle it's like walking through a curtain made of a hot, wet towel into a sauna. After 30 seconds, you're completely drenched in sweat. That's honestly the worst kind of heat i can imagine.Humidity plays such an important part that there's "wet bulb temperature" they measure.When humidity is very high, you don't even need to be in an extremely hot place to get so hot that you pass out or even die!
>>64205517Also, for reference, tropical areas have a constant relative humidity of 70-90%.The chart assumes direct sunlight, you may not get much of that inside tropical forests but the end result doesn't even differ much.
>>64205371I don't get it
>>64204442Why didn't the US cut down the forest?
>>64204315Must have only been a Vietnam war thing where this was accepted in the field. I was in the Army but never went to war but being "out of uniform" was not something you wanted and could get you into trouble.
>>64205579what do you think they were using napalm and agent orange for?
>>64205579What do you think agent orange and the 'raimbow chemicals' were you colossal retard
>>64204807spot on>The Accountant just clean yeeted some VC/villager from 450 yards with his M14 and is savoring the moment.ouchI felt that one>>64204661>hotter than the desert?not always, but humidity is a whole nother son of a bitchI've had both and I prefer the desert, assuming equal tempsgo down to Florida or get in a wet sauna, fully clothed, with the heat turned to about 95 degrees and imagine living all day like that>>64205560seems they were just dicking around
>>64205517>be onna ship>be inna reactor plant>hot as fuck, it's like 104 degrees centerline>lots of shit is steam driven>generators, pumps, reboilers, oh my!>get shit on by senior enlisted and officers for having the audacity to wear coveralls half-mast and sit down in the unconditioned vented airask me anything
>>64204880>>64204973>>64205187>>64205461>you may not like it but this is what peak male performance looks like >>64204981Kekd
>>64205724>>64205560It looks like they bet he couldn't chop something blindfolded and then when he tried it they put his hat in the chop zone as a prank.We did shit like that.
>>64204420That’s because we stopped taking volunteers after 1942 and all recruits after that were drafted
>>64204483Made by two Vietnam vets and based on the life of the director
>>64204554Nah by 67-68 which was when stone was in nam
>>64205196Every instance of combat in platoon was based on real engaments oliver stone thought in . Also dale dye was on set to keep things as they were
>>64206652I was speaking in general.
>>64205579You don't know about the battle dozers?
>>64206663>based onthis phrase does duty like a platoon of Atlases holding up Hollywood's topsy-turvy view of reality
>>64206645that doesn't mean changes couldn't be made. for example the lone survivor actors refused to wear face paint when the advisors asked them to wear it.
>>64206761based on a true story just means someone told the writer a story. the story does not need to be verified at all. that's how based on true story horror movies are made.
>>64205293You need meds if you don't know Oliver Stone has been a kremlin bullshit faucet for decades>>64205288>>go read up on it and his interviews with puti and worship of chavez and castro>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Putin_Interviews>thus>snowden>jfk>etc etc>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_of_the_Border_(2009_film)>he's talented but a kremlin shill
>>64206783lol yes let's talk about lone survivor and historical accuracy lmao
>>64206761no moron, every exchnage of combat in the movie is based on a combat exchnage that oliver stone was in from the initIal night ambush, the corssfire ambush where oliver stone got a bronze star and the new years day battle of 1968 and fire base burt
>>64206783lone survivor is slop propaganda.>that doesn't mean changes couldn't be made.nothing needed to be changed
>>64205196>>64205288>>64206793Nigger, he was wounded twice in Nam and got a Bronze Star
>>64206783>that doesn't mean changes couldn't be made. for example the lone survivorcould have stopped there, that whole movie is fake bullshit.
>>6420561311 larp
>>64204359My grandpa took that pic. >>64205360Like the others said hours ago, you bet the guy he can't hit the board with an axe while blindfolded. When he takes you up on the bet and is blindfolded, you put his hat on the board and he chops it in half. Now his cover is fucked up and everybody laughs at him.
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>>64207501I don't think anybody was intentionally ripping sleeves off
>>64207523"Yep, it's fucked"
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>>64207487cool pics, thanks
>>64207583And gramps himself
>>64207523Having a tailor chop the sleeves of your jungle fatigues was a not-unheard-of mod desu. Here’s Dale Dye wearing one like that in Platoon. You can find originals for sale online.
>>64206808>>64206829>>64207257and how do you know platoon is actual factual?
>>64206291We'd have won the Vietnam war if people STOPPED PUTTING THEIR HANDS IN THEIR FUCKING POCKETS.
>>64204381>i don't want no teenage queen>i just want my m14
>>64207786Because I’m not a retard
>>64208028i see
>>64204315If you were cool enough, you could dress like picrel and have beers with your friends.
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>>64206640That's retarded.>Hey, we need more troops. Should we call up some of the men who volunteered to go fight?>Nah, draft the people who didn't want to go at all instead.
>>64204880It comes from faggots that spend weeks or months waiting to be called to plant a bomb or something while everyone else does the heavy lifting, they have nothing else to do
>>64205351Lieutenant Samuel Hyde second from left
>>64207605Cool pics, thanks for sharing anon. Hoping you managed to meet and have a good relationship with him
>>64208181No it’s simply a more streamlined version of processing men into the military . You could volunteer to go towards the front of the line and get to choose what branch you were sent to
>>64206903>defending a russian influence threat actor
>>64208327do you check for russians under your bed at night?talk to any nam vet about the accuracy of the movie
>>64208181>Hey, we need more troops. Should we call up some of the men who volunteered to go fight?The problem was that volunteers would arrive in large waves So this would overwhelm recruitment offices and training grounds Mandatory draft only meant troops arrived at training grounds regularly and units would get replacements regularlyAnother problem is that it was often unfairSome people would game the system by deliberately volunteering into a unit that was nowhere near the front line A lot of volunteers had to be turned down because they had critical work that was more valuable at home rather than on the field, welders, farmers, and so onThe draft ensured that war-critical industries wouldnt be drained by well-meaning but mistaken workers rushing off to do their part
>>64205461steroids were first used by the east germans in the 1960s and had already filtered into the performance world long before the 1980s. they also don't make you big; there most likely mechanism of action (no one actually knows) is blocking cortisol receptors and therefore allowing more training to be performed in the same time frame. even those skinny assed triathletes and marathon runners are on steroids anon, every elite athlete has been using them for about five decades now.
>>64208553Scoob is natty, and that's all that matters.
>>64204880That's still what most soldiers look like, huge muscles with minimal body fat don't actually offer that much of a tactical advantage.
>>64204880Are you fucking retarded?
>>64204327My grandfather served in Vietnam and he actually preferred to wear his sleeves down despite the heat specifically because he had suffered from a bout of malaria as a child that had nearly killed him and was absolutely terrified of mosquitos.
>>64204315did soldiers reek? just imagine going through the jungle for days on end and no access to showers or bathrooms. did they even carry changes of clothes and underwear? how often do they change, and as time progressed how has hygiene and sanitation developed in the field?
>>64208757>did soldiers reekThey still do and we have access to baby wipes now. Some Soldiers stink in garrison, anon. You ever counsel a kid over his lack of hygiene? I have. Shit's wild.
>>64204981charging a man with murder in this place was like handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500...
>>64208757A lot of them didn't have to imagine it, because that's how it was. I recall reading that they did, where they could carry an extra pair of underwear or socks if they could afford to, but I don't reckon they had many opportunities to be dry enough to change.
>>64206783After having to wake up early and shave only to have to smear face paint all over my raw recently shaved face for four months, i don't blame them. Still saved all my leftover facepaint for some reason. It's in a a bag somewhere. Also fun fact, some people have faces that just absorb the face paint. One guy on my platoon would look like he hadn't applied anything after 30 minutes.
>>64207487nicetell him thanks for everything
>>64205517I learned that this summer here in Europe. There were a handful of days where the AC in our office crapped out and we were cooked alive. I was barely able to stay awake and I got so delirious from the heat that I started writing complete gibberish and random insults on the work computer and I noticed it only a day later......
>>64204880> these soldiers don't look like the bara musclehunks in my gay porn videos> they MUST be manlets!!1!!11!You realize that's what a natural "muscular" build looks like, right? See any strongman's build.
>>64204880This entire board has become filled with 16 year old discord kiddies who don't actually know or care about the subject matter here.
>>64207487Great prank and pic
>>64208767>You ever counsel a kid over his lack of hygiene?My dad was in basic in 1980, they had a dirty guy, told me the drill Sgt gave them some steel wool and told the boys to clean him up.I guess they also beat the absolute shit out of someone in a blanket party. The old army was wild
I'm team no-shirt
>>64206426>vinningvinrar
>>64204315A more common thing was modifying blouses into a vest for magazines. The LB gear had not really adapted to the switch to assault rifles from battle rifles so that was a common modification. Usually the sleeves would be kept though, since you wanted to be able to roll them down and put DEET on the cuffs/hems before sleeping. Also pretty big difference between Marines and Soldiers since USMC had mandatory flak vest use and the Army did not. NSW was also way different in their uniforms than Army SF/Rangers/LRRP. Even pilots had totally non uniform gear, a mix of orange flight suits, regular OD, and patterned camouflage, or for Army aviators even fatigues instead of flight suits.
>>64215738>Also pretty big difference between Marines and Soldiers since USMC had mandatory flak vest use and the Army did notThat's interesting, I expected Marines to make do with whatever they get. What was the reasoning/context behind that?
>>64206426to be that fag - is there a pic of topless vining or in a shirt so that we could estimate how athletic he appeared to be?
>>64208040>>64208069stache makes him look like a grandpa while he was in his late 20s in these pics lol.chill movie btw, when i first started watching it i thought it's some alt history bleeding heart slop before finding out about the real event
>>64208361>do you check for russians under your bed at night?No, I have mines under my bed for that.
>>64215845Easily found by Google image searching his name. Pretty sinewy unexceptional build, but that just adds to him seeming harmless
>>64215825>What was the reasoning/context behind that?Marines were hard core into flak protection and it showed. In the osprey book flak vest and ballistic it showed in the casualty data. If you wear flak then you obviously will suffere less from fragmenation but also local contanimation from dirt, wood and other nasty shit.But it was really fucking hot however. Im sure anyone that has served in the jungle will really consider the possibility of goin inna jungle with no flak protection just to reduce heat casualties.
>>64216060He was and maybe still is into mountaineering, so it would make sense to have that kind of physique. It's kind of surreal to me that he's still alive and goes on podcasts and stuff.
>>64216120It seems like the universally best body for real world practical applications is to be skinny with muscles
