I absolutely love the look of sponsons. Post pre-dreadnoughts and landships.
I can't post pictures, but I can post a bump.I enjoy them too.They're comfier than WW2 era batteships and not gay like modern ships.
I would really like to refloat the Mikasa but mom won't let me. She's the only living example left, I think. I want to live to see her sail again.
>>64209016>>64209380secondedpicrel is SMS Babenberg, Habsburg class.
>>64209016See if I can find my folder and images before we Victorian watersports as is per pre-dreadnought thread tradition.
Found some ships
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>>64209719That white and... uhh, russet? color scheme is excessively aesthetic (yes, with ae-).
>>64209739They knew how to paint ships properly back in the day!
>>64209750
Probably have more but that is all for now. Need to sort my folders out properly.
>>64209741Torpedo nets are really pleasant to look at when concealed.
>>64209792Not exactly pre-dread era but still pure sex!
>>64209735>le cope cage lol
>>64209016Great plains state nautically retarded here, first of all, how is there this much water in the world. Second and more importantly, what did the dreadnaught do so differently that caused the era to be marked by its building?
>>64210043Pre-Dreadnaught= mix caliber guns with 4 big guns (12in), two turrets of dual gun mountDreadnaught= all big guns, each of them have 2-3 times the big guns(8, 9, 12 etc) of a pre-dread. Big guns have the longest range, so they will decide the first hits and cripple the opponent. You can say that why not just use 3 pre-dreads to beat one dread, you need to spend 3 times amount of resources to do so (soldiers, fuel, maintenance etc) so in short, pre-dreads became obsolete.
>>64210043It's all big guns like the other guy said but dreadnought also launched sporting some fancy new naval technology including steam turbines to power her. Dreadnought was FAST for her time, and could dictate the pace of any engagement she wanted. So she was running you down, firing more accurately than you, and was still a fully armed and armored battleship to boot.
>>64209016Sponsons are an interesting collision of Broadside and Chase guns on the way to making Turrets. You get this wide field of fire but also get to keep the Casemate design.
>>64210043>>64210078>>64210249Just to give you an idea of what we're talking about. Each one of those turrets has 2x12" guns and as you can see you'll always be facing at least 6 guns no matter how you come and the Dreadnought.
>>64210324>>64210249>>64210078Neato, thanks guys. Was there any change to how fire control worked? My understanding was back in the day it was just some dude shouting a little to the left next time.
>>64210367Rangefinders (little protrusions on the turret roof, later they are on the side) on the turrets, feed data to mechanical computer.
>>64210367That's another thing which got improved, along with systems like reloading gear. Without trajectory calculators, you couldn't hit jack shit at more than circa 4 nautical miles. So even if your (biggest) guns could go all the way to 15-ish nm, and your fancy new rangefinders could accurately tell the distance up until circa 12 nm, you still had to close in to knife fighting range to actually land a hit on something other than water.
>>64210395>mechanical computerHow do the range finders find the range without lasers? Sorry, guys this is a real technology so old its new moment for me.
>>64210367Yes. She was one of the first ships to introduce a centralized firecontrol director capable of transmitting information electronically. Basically, the Dreadnought was so revolutionary because she was designed with a a whole host of new and improved technologies which allowed her to figuratively blow away the competition.
>>64210408https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coincidence_rangefinder
>>64210408https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coincidence_rangefinderTrigonometry.AB is known, operator measure the angles, then d will be calculated.
>>64210408I don't know how to explain it properly, but it's basically just the same principle behind depth perception in binocular vision taken to the extreme.
>>64210367Later ships with rangefinders on the side of turrets.
>>64210439I like the turret designs on the Colorado Class.
Worth noting that, even with the best rangefinder in the world, you won't hit anything if you can't calculate a firing solution. After all, you're shooting from a moving ship, at another moving ship, which is likely going at a different speed, and on a different bearing (direction), compared to yours. Thus the appearance of (initially mechanical, then electromechanical) target data calculators.
>>64210450This was my next question, btw. How do you gather that data on a ship way the fuck over there?
>>64210444Hexagonal eye candies.
>>64210462Back in those days, it was somewhat convoluted, and it involved observing the other ship for a while. Rangefinders had various calculation aids like stadiametric marks to help calculate speed and bearing.
>>64210367That was true until the 1890s when we realized that ranges were too great and ships were too fast. We started using Optical Rangefinders, plotting boards, and essentially slide rules to calculate shots. Optical rangefinders use mirrors and lines of sight to set up triangles for trigonometry. By WW1 we were using mechanical calculators. By WW2 we were using electromechanical calculators and starting to swap the optical rangefinders with radar.
>>64210367Adding to what other guys mentioned, there were also advancements in commanding the gun crews, which went from being all on their own in their decision making to receiving coordinated orders from the central ship's command, allowing them to focus fire on one single enemy ship which in turn improved their effectiveness at range and allowed said rangefinders to be used. Prior to that each gun was managed and operated and aimed mostly independently similar to the way they did it in back during the age of sail, although this new tactic is slightly older than the dreadnought and saw some use prior, for example during the russo-japanese war.
>>64210266I just love how much tumblehome the French insisted on giving their ships.
Shame we had so few semi-dreads. They were cool. The only ones we really got were the Satsuma class, and even they only happened by accident.
>>64209016>sponsonswell, technically:>>64211035excuse you
>>64209731>That freeboardI don't know how anyone got on these monitors. It seems to be in danger of swamping even on calm waters.
>>64211111quintsAnd weren't the first monitors just river gunboats? I guess if you're always on a river you don't need to worry about waves as much.
>>64209396>double-stacked casematesSOVL
>>64211111>>64211136There were """ocean-going""" monitors that could at least sail to foreign stations under their own power, if not exactly fight on the open seas.
>>64211156moist
If you want monitors, it takes some going to beat the sheer retard strength of the Lord-Clive class>18 inch gun>permanently fixed to Starboard>22 to 45 degrees elevation>firing the heaviest shells in naval history>onnaship that barely displaced 6000 tons
>>64211156They're properly called breastwork monitors, because of the armored superstructure that elevated the turret rings and hatches making it less likely for the monitor to swamp in rough seas. It helped, but not much.
>>64211215>breastworkhehehehehe
>>64211254Wait until you hear about a French city making boats called Brest.
>>64211332hehehehehehe
>>64210462They had flashcards of enemy ship classes with their outlines including length and height and max MPH. Spotters would use range finders and identify the correct ship from the cue card, do the basic trigonometry and quickly calculate its speed and trajectory to determine where to fire
The calculations were precise, but if the input data based on visual observations were incorrect, it would all be ruined.It's also difficult to deal with targets that frequently change course and run away, making corrections based on impact observation meaningless.
>>64209395her lower hull is gone :/
>>64209792I just realized something. I love ships with really high or really low freeboards. High freeboards and plumb bows give ships this imposing look that can't be matched - like blades cutting through the water.Meanwhile the lower freeboard and inverted or tumblehome bows make ships look like unshakable fortresses.
>>64210408Quite informative video on this topichttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbXyAzGtIX8
>>64209395I'd thought Texas was a pre-dread, but I guess it was wrong.
>>64211194also small rails on deck, just to move shells to the gun
>>64209934That's literally just framing for a tent they put on there in summer, dumbass.
>>64209396What's going on with that little notch just aft of the bow? Did it originally have another casemate mount there that they plated over?
It looks like a rapid-fire gun will come out of the door, but it will be hit by a wave from the bow.Is it okay in the calm Mediterranean Sea?
>>64212742Ah. I didn't see the little door in the first pic.
>>64212692Probably right, often they'd put little guns up there but, especially during peacetime, the water ingress in heavy seas wasn't worth a limited fire-arc 3in gun or smaller.
>>64212769>>64212749Herp derp, replied before I saw this. Have SMS Radetzky with a saluting gun manned on top of it's fore turret.
And slightly unrelated, but imagine being on this at 25kn charging down a battleship
>>64210408https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yBbb7DyWKo
>>64211136They were operating off the East Coast, so they must've been dealing with the tides.
>>64211194A floating StuG III on steroids.
>>64209741Oh my God. It even has a figurehead.
I fantasize a lot about how it would have been to serve on a battleship (or armored cruiser, or whatever else) prior to WWI. The sense of adventure, and the level of national pride and patriotism must have been simply unimaginable to the modern person, living in fake and gay excuses for modern nations. The experience of traveling the world inside a product of industrial might that no one could have even fucking imagined in their wildest dreams 40 years before, knowing that you and your boys could absolutely WASTE anything you came across, and also living daily with the knowledge that you and your ship definitely are the single most iconic and memorable representative of your entire nation abroad, must make that one of the best lives a man could live. Don't even give a shit that you would have to scrub the teak decks every day or whatever bullshit menial task might be asked of you, doesn't even matter.
>>64211097>Post DreadnoughtGave me an excuse to post this!
>>64213967>Dreadnought impregnationfucking degenerates I swear you faggots will create a new fetish each day
>>64214005Just wait till that one anon posts the pic of an egg and three Victorian ladies.
>>64210395The small protrusions at the front of the turret are the sighting hoods. The rangefinder is in the larger protrusion at the rear of the turret.
>>64211035bonjour
>>64211194holy shit
>>64214078By the end of WW1 there were proposals for 20inch and even larger guns.
>>64212790I imagine it'd feel great to make the big ships flinch in fear of your torpedo
be US Navyneed a ship named after the dude who wore a stovepipe hat and freed people1861: slap his name on a river steamer for the Union Navywooden hull, paddlewheel vibes, probably smelled like whiskey and wet woolused for patrols, blockades, and occasionally ramming into Confederates like a redneck at a demolition derbyWWI eraUS gets spicy, needs troop transports to yeet doughboys across the Atlantictake a German passenger liner "Friedrich der Grosse"rename it USS Abraham Lincoln because lol ironyloads up with troops, hauls ass across the pond1918: gets torpedoed by a German U-boat on return tripsinks, but most crew surviveLincoln ship #2 becomes fish foodFast forward Cold War edition1960s, US Navy: “what if Lincoln… but nuclear?”launch USS Abraham Lincoln (SSBN-602)Polaris missile sub, floating apocalypse machinepatrols silently for decades, just waiting to ruin Moscow’s dayretires in 1981, cut up like a hog in a scrapyardmodern times, Gulf War through TikTok warsenter USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72), Nimitz-class carrierlaunched 1988massive floating airport, McDonald’s, and postal code all in one1991: goes to Desert Storm, bombs sand2001: chilling in Indian Ocean when 9/11 hits, suddenly America’s fist2003: hosts Bush’s "Mission Accomplished" cringe banner momentspends life force projecting democracy™ across the globestill in service, now basically the boomer uncle of the fleetTL;DR:Steamer, Civil War riverboatEx-German liner, WWI troop ship (sank)Nuclear missile sub, Cold War doomsday machineNimitz-class supercarrier, still doing freedom deploymentsPic: the Lincoln that fits here.
>"What kind of armament should we install on this ship?">"Yes"2 × 305 mm/45 Modèle 1893 guns2 × 274 mm/45 Modèle 1893 guns8 × 138 mm/45 Modèle 1893 guns8 × 100 mm (3.9 in) guns12 × 47 mm (1.9 in) 3-pounder guns8 × 37 mm (1.5 in) 1-pounder guns4 × 450 mm (18 in) torpedo tubes20 × naval minesWho cares about logi[sti]cs
>>64214351Took "everything and the kitchen sink" a bit too literally.
>>64214351>least insane French pre-dreadnought design
>>64214034I'm curious
>>64214446Google it and I assure you that you'll find the egg piss play pic.
>>64212692>>64212742thats the place for the Verfolgungsgeschütz i.e. hunter gun to fire in the back of fleeing ships which wont be engaged by the main artillery if they are to close or to be boarded. >>64211142here's some side stacked casemattes on SMS St.Georg for the casematte connoisseur>>64212779that is an optic instrument to sight in the main gun, not a salute cannon.
>>64213967>>64214005>>64214034forget the predred egghere comes the ironclad sideboneron SMS Erzherzog Prinz Albrecht.The prince albert dick piercing is derived from the moorings of the sideboner of the Prinz Albrecht.
>>64214564Can you please post a smaller picture? I can still see too much.
austrias contribution to ship dickpic history wasnt just sideboners, heres SMS Custoza proudly waving her sideboner and her foward double boner in harbour
>>64214573no tiny dickshaming! its an elder!
>>64210043>first of all, how is there this much water in the world.It is theorized that during the ormation of the solar system, heavier elements congregated nearby the Sun and lighter elements and molecules farther away. In this time there may have been gravemetiric instabilities that disturbed the natural orders of orbits, thus bringing masses formed further out to the inner system bodies, causing chaos and bodies to collide. They say "comets" brought water to earth, but imagin just one big frozen body like Europa bringing billions of tons of frozen water to impact with earth? You cannot imagine the scale of the frozen impactors it took to fill the earth's oceans! One big fatty could do it! Truely mind boggling to conceive just HOW earth got it's unique and life giving oceans!
>>64211194>>64214078Holy Jesus. I thought the HMS Furious was bad, but at least she had actual turrets for her two 18" guns before her carrier conversion.
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>>64214642>"Ship's armor should resist it's own guns.">"18-in main battery, 3-in belt."
>>64214430most?
>>64214591I kneel before superior autism
>>64214629>It is theorized
>>64209745You realize it's black to cover up all the coal dust, right?
>>64210936The design makes perfect sense for a castle by the sea. Unfortunately, it's a castle On the sea and all the Tumblehome is doing is giving arcing shots a better angle.
>>64215362Theory being like WAY more burden-of-proofy than faith...
>>64215417Of course, which is why the closest part to the coal dust is white.
>>64215171No least, she didn't steal her funnels from a factory, nor have as many separate fire control directors, secondaries with longer range than her primaries or essentially run so low that she was nearly a submarine.
>>64215775White was a way to show off how good the crew was at cleaning away coal dust but keep in mind that many ships had coaling hatches on the sides rather than the top. It was a lot faster when you had to work with river barges and hand shoveling.
>>64215967the heavy cruiser Algérie — the one French design that looked “normal”: single trunked funnel, secondaries for mobile targets and defensive primaries, no goofy secondary/primary range mismatch, and decent freeboard. Unless some other arms compliment was the same, then I'm wrong.
>>64215986I thought you said "crew", that's equipment.
>>64209750damn
>>64213945This reminds me of what my weeb friend said when I asked him about why the Imperial Navy didn't use the Yamato until the war was too far gone. He said that the ship was like an embodiment of the nation's soul. I can see the too good to use syndrome there, but imagine being on the HMS Dreadnought before anyone could copy it. I don't know what it did before 1911, but I'd have sailed the thing around the world at maximum range and watch through binoculars at the faces of people at the ports who knew that they couldn't even touch me. The British fags probably left the thing in port doing nothing though.
>>64214342Ship namesake posts are the best. I can't find the USS Enterprise one, but it inspired me to write a bit of science fiction some time ago.From the POV of an alien diplomat:>Another great shock to me was that the ship on which I had lived for three years was the namesake of a warship that had taken part in the Taiwan Affair nearly 300 years ago. That ship had apparently been named in honor of another warship that had fought in a war 474 years ago against a state called “Japan” that occupies a place of the same name. Just as we name our Cluster Worlds after their forebears, so too runs the Terran affection for their weapons, the first Enterprise having been set upon other Terrans 644 years ago when ships still sailed by conveyance of the wind.>Unbeknownst to me, there was a plaque on board the ship that had been passed down from one incarnation to the next. I had seen this particular dedication in my time aboard, but I did not know what it was. Only at a later date was I able to find it again and view it in proper context. It has the following text crudely carved into its surface from numerous hands:>Tokyo or bust April 1942>‘Nam ‘65>Korea ‘69>Iraq ‘03>Iran ‘26>Taiwan ‘15>As I write this, there are several disputes here on Mnaras as the “United States Space Force“ engages with the “Ri Guang Xiagu Group” over extractor fields across the “Tharsis” region. The UNSF Enterprise is a diplomatic ship to be sure, but I cannot help but wonder what name will next be scored into its history.
>>64218384I mean there was a ton of identity wrapped up in Yamato but I thought the reason she and all the other heavy ships sat in Truk half the war is because the Japanese were waiting for the opportunity to engage in decisive battle, but the US never gave them that opportunity (until Leyte Gulf), and because they knew that they didn't have the fuel to operate their fleet on offense. It's actually hard to imagine a time when they could have used those ships offensively to impact the war's outcome. Maybe at Guadalcanal, they could have won their night battles even harder, and bombarded Henderson field, which would be a speed bump for America but that's it.
>>64218517The Yamatos could be some good bait and meat shield for Midway carrier strikes. At the time the American torpedoes weren't reliable and they could shrug off some bombs unlike the carriers.
>>64218565It's an interesting idea, but how would the Japanese force the US carriers to engage their BBs? Spruance would have known how important it was to save his first strike for the carriers, so he wouldn't have been baited so easily. There are couple of things Yamato could bring to the table I guess. One is that some carrier strikes that were low on fuel might run across a Yamato and simply choose to bomb her, when they might have later stumbled across a carrier (insanely unlikely). The other idea is that the Yamatos could rush to try and bombard the airfield on Midway directly. But Yamatos were way slower than Japanese fleet carriers, so they would either be trailing hundreds of miles behind, in which case everything would happen as actually occurred irl, or every ship could all go as a consolidated group, but then Spruance could just hit the carriers first and save the Yamatos for dessert way before they actually arrived at Midway.
>>64216083oo I did not know of this cruiser beforeit does look pretty
>>64214351man i love french pre-dreadnaughts so much
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>>64216083Yeah but she's not a pre-dreadnought?Guarantee if she wasn't a treaty cruiser they'd have gone more insane with her.>>64219339>>64219343>>64219345>>64219352>>64219354>>64219358Are you sure those are not floating hotels?
>>64218565>The Yamatos could be some good bait and meat shield for Midway carrier strikes.Bait, yes, meat shields, not really. Given the absolute state of Japanese naval aviation they'd almost certainly have been sunk in battle and on top of that the propaganda and psychological value of sinking Yamato and/or Musashi would have so immense that half of the subs in the western pacific would have been hunting them.
>>64219383>Are you sure those are not floating hotels?yes, but i like their look
>>64219513They were definitely unique to look at that when artists were asked to sketch them this is was what they came up with.
>>64219550It's the logical progression really
>>64219400Meat shields as in diverting attention from the bombers so the IJN carriers wouldn't be caught pants down with ammunition and fuel on deck, preventing their early demise. Besides, no one even knew the Yamatos existed, not even the Japanese civilians as they still thought the Nagato was the biggest ship.
>>64219639Metal Slug is just a documentary on French aesthetics when it boils down to it.>>64219655Pretty sure people knew about the Yamato existence they just didn't know its capabilities. If I recall they thought it had only 16 inch guns for example.
>>64214719Might as well go with shrapnel armour at that point, you can't get exploded by an 18" shell if the fuse doesn't arm.IIRC, Furious would literally bend her hull when firing the guns because of how lightly she was built.
>>64209719This paint looks cool as hell. Why did we stop painting our boats like this?
>>64209739White and buff.
>>64219339wtf is that bow tho
>>64220502Ramming was all the rage in the late 1800's.
>>64220502It's sexy, that's what it is
>>64219161Is that a big clock dial on the superstructure?!
>>64220969It's a clock so people on board know the time.
>>64221076It's meant to tell other ships what time it is, including the enemy. People were just gentlemen and good sports back then.
>>64221076>big bong, ship edition
>>64220969Pointy thing tells people which way they're shooting. Marine types are bad at telephony.
>>64220969range clock, or concentration dial
>>64210266I can't help but wonder what a full broadside from one of these would look like.
Bring back Naval Aura-farming. Bring back the GWF (Great White Fleet).
>>64214108vgh, what could have been
>>64214108At what size does a shell simply become infeasible for naval use? Does it just keep scaling up to where we could have turrets of multiple Schwerer Gustav sized guns? I assume the only real limit is on the powerplant of the ship, at a big enough displacement the number of engines you'd need would be unmanageable due to the fuel consumption.
>>64214078How much do you think it rolled when they fired?
>>64221768Yamato was pushing the limit of feasibility, but 20 inch guns are not unlikely at allTo defend against said guns a battleship would have to mount something like 50,000 tons of armour. It would be about the size of a Nimitz-class carrier, easily, and weigh at least 150,000 tons.Could this have happened, if aircraft had not developed as quickly? Easily. After all, we built the Nimitzes didn't we?
>>64221614Imagine a timeline where UK went "Fuck this if you're not playing by the treaty rules then we ain't! Now you've fucked around now find out!" So you'll be ending up with N3's with 9x 20 inch guns if not larger cause they're churning these out in peacetime without gimping themselves by destroying their own dockyards. Probably start seeing 9.2 inch Cruisers and even Super Carriers. About the only nation able to compete without bankrupting themselves in this reality would be the US and even then its not a contest they want to get involved in.>>64221768Considering there were engineers in the UK designing feasible 8 engine heavy bombers that could deliver earthquake bombs that would render cities uninhabitable to this day I shudder to think how big they could have got with naval artillery if they put their mind to it.
>>64221966>feasible 8 engine heavy bombers that could deliver earthquake bombs that would render cities uninhabitable to this daylol sure m8 avin a laff innit
>>64221966>Probably start seeing 9.2 inch Cruisersfar more feasible than Incomparable actually; every major navy was winding up to build their 9"ers before the treaties put a stop to it>>64221979nopeBarnes Wallis designed a 50-ton bomber intended to carry the 1930s equivalent of a GBU-43 MOAB, a 10-ton bombpicrel is WW2 Hanoveryou can theoretically flatten it with just six such bombs, given perfect placement and blast
>>64221979If only you knew how crazy teafags got....
>>64222013>Barnes Wallis designed a 50-ton bomber intended to carry the 1930s equivalent of a GBU-43 MOAB, a 10-ton bombYou mean a Grand Slam? The kind of bomb that was actually used?
>>64222036The Grand Slam was designed for penetration so half its weight was steelIf the RAF really had gone for the idea with the intent to flatten a city, they would have built, like the MOAB, a 10-ton bomb that is 95% HE instead of just 50%
>>64221387>Great white fleet>gets painted orange by presidential decree
>>64222036Barnes Wallis wanted something much heavier than the Grand Slam as outlined by >>64222045
>>64222062You're thinking of the Tallboy; the Grand Slam *was* 10 tonsWhich just goes to show that city-flattening by MOAB was in fact absolutely plausible
>>64222045The RAF had the cookie, which was almost pure HE.
>>64222075Yeah, the blockbusters (called that because they could bust a whole block of houses). 4000lbers were most effective at destroying industrial targets. The highest capacity would still be ~5 tons ie half of the GBU-43 MOAB.I don't know shit about blast propagation and stuff so i don't know the difference between a 10 ton HE bomb and a 5 ton HE bomb.
>>64222056>USS Donald Trump fully gilded
>>64222056>painted black and rainbow>names written in arabic
>>64209719The Old Navy was pure SOVL
>>64222025I just say this: Kawanishi KX-03.
>>64220969https://hoover.blogs.archives.gov/2019/12/04/viva-hoover-exhibit-but-whats-that-thing-that-looks-like-a-clock/
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>>64220868why were they retarded? lead paint?>>64220904if you're into futanari, maybe
>>64222108as a rule of thumb you add 25% blast radius for each doubling of yield
>>64209719US navy ships are pure sexo
>>64222742when the main gun has fire rate of one shot per few minutes and the secondary guns are to week to penetrate armour and damage anything imported, ramming suddenly becomes a valid opinion
>>64219343Why did the French drop off so hard? If you were to try and name something after Charles Martel today, you'd be arrested for Islamophobia and sent to work off your debt to Allah in Marseilleistan.
>>64222025I thought Soviet mega plane autism was limited to the Soviets.
>>64222444This looks like something you'd make an offering to the sun god on.
>>64222411Fascinating, thanks.
>>64220187White paint was used to signify peacetime. Last time we did it was the Great White Fleet voyage, im pretty sure
Apparently it was in the 1930s too.It's beautiful and intimidating at the same time.
>>64223621Damn, what a picture.
>>64222444Looks a bit like a mega yacht now? Bit too yellow needs a bit more orange like pic related?>>64222742>why were they retarded? For their time they weren't. There was a brief period where armor technology had leapfrogged ahead of gun technology and even when guns had caught up a bit the effective ranges and rate of fire were so poor that ramming was still seen as a feasible tactic.Considering that ramming was a key part of victory of the major naval engagements of the 19th century i.e. see the Battle of Lissa, then its understandable why they'd think having a ram bow as an offensive backup would be a good idea.>>64223037Brits were definitely putting something in their tea other than tealeaves considering the other whacky projects they had like genocide most of Europe with anthrax or setting the sea on fire. Shame they went broke as I would have loved to see even an attempt to arm a battleship with rocket assisted tallboys as was proposed.>>64223621Imagine witnessing the fleet exercises they did in the 20's. That would have been a sight to see!
Just posting more pics I found.
>>64224739Why can't we have artistry anymore? Everything has given way to cold efficiency.
I only have like 925 images worth of predreadnoughts and other early stuff on my hard drive. There was this Russian naval website that hosted a lot of high quality photos of pretty much anything.
>>64224760wait what
>>64222145>>64222251>Yes Xir
>>64209719I work in Philly, anytime it's a nice day and I'm down I go see the Olympia, it's PEAK kino. Got to know the staff and all. Not only do I take the tour I've donated a few times what I can to keep her. Also on my short list of guns to buy is a 6mm Lee.
>>64219161if they sailed around with a giant clock, I am now pissed that our carriers don't have awesome clocks built in.
>>64221076"I'ma let these niggaz know what time it is, hol up!"
>>64219507>two stacks for the engines>two stacks for the boulangeries>two stacks for the smoking areas
>>64224907Probably was a former KGB vault someone had made public. Now will have to check in with FSB if you want access. Russians have loads of photos of what you wouldn't expect them to have including even better detailed survey maps of countries better than there own nation could produce and this was before satellites. >>64225005Ironclad era was an interesting time.
>>64225005Need for high freeboard and some superstructure, but turred gun is heavy and would mess up with stability if placed high.
>>64225407Wasn't there also some american (civil war?) ship that had a similar construction?
>>64218444Anon I tried, does this suit your style?"From the POV of an alien diplomat, aboard UNSF Nautilus:It startled me to learn that our quiet courier through Neptune Gate bore a name older than any module on her spine. “Nautilus,” the Terrans said, as if that explained the whole of a mythology: a clockwork lineage of hulls and hopes stretching back to when their vessels breathed air. The first Nautilus slid beneath a polar cap on liquid water, not methane, and this impressed them so deeply that they went on naming machines after the feat as if repetition itself could keep the ice from closing.Only later did I find the brass strip inset in the mess bulkhead, dulled by gloves and grease. It had been cut and soldered, cut and soldered, handed down like a family jawbone. The inscriptions are uneven, the decades crowded, the pride unseemly but sincere:Pole ’58GIUK Gap ’62Sea of Japan ’68Arctic FONOP ’24Luna Mare Frigoris ’59 NEP (second line, a different hand)Ceres Ice Docks ’72Neptune Gate Escort ’03We are presently arbitrating salvage tithes at Proteus Station, where a guild of helium skimmers claims eminent domain over the blue flares of the outer refineries. The Nautilus wears diplomatic pennants, yes—but names are gravity, and I wonder what chilled metal the next line will memorialize."
>>64225421There were a lot of small ironclads built with central turret at that time in US, but those were only coastal ships. Would sink easily in open ocean.HMS Edinburgh and similar were oceanic vessels, you could cover the hole in middle of sea goes bad
>>64225439if sea goes bad^
>>64225439I don't mean central turret, I specifically mean that construction with a turret and superstructure in that fashion.I think it was something about the ship basically sinking on its maiden voyage on the high seas or something, because the constructor was a sperg who didn't listen to the engineers or something.
>>64225470Sounds like HMS Captainhttps://youtu.be/SipIKcxkFlY?t=3043Can't find any US ship that had turret low, surrounded by superstructure
>>64222444based digi-truth
>>64225513Huh, yeah, that seems to be the one.Maybe I discovered it through reading about monitors? No idea.Though I find that kind of not-quite-sail-but-not-quite-sailless designs pretty sexy.
russian naval engineering best in the world
>>64225595looks comfy
>>64225314is it still a sail-by shooting if you don't have actual sails?
>>64225595surprisingly they weren't as bad as they looked
>>64224757>HMS SPEEDYbe meHMS Speedy, 14-gun sardine can with sailscaptain: Thomas Cochrane, government-issued gremlin with a commissionloadout: four-pounders, rope, uncut audacitymission: make Spain’s coastal insurance weepoff Barcelona, 1801spot El Gamo, xebec-frigate aka floating apartment complex32 guns, ~319 dudes, probably has a tapas barmath says “run”Cochrane says “hold my shaving kit, I’m using the skylight”plan.exeget so close their big guns can’t point low enoughour entire ship is now the dead zonetie up like a tick on a mastiffboard in waves, rotate teams, yell extra loud to sound like 500 guysSpanish morale has stopped respondingsomeone drops their flagwe now own a frigate, please clapprize money?lol noAdmiralty pays in “exposure” and stern looksFrench squadron shows up for the refundwe get capturedNapoleon gifts us to the Pope like a naughty dog on a neighbor’s porchrenamed San Paolo, put in time-out, fades from main storymeanwhile, Canadian side-quest DLC (different HMS Speedy)Provincial Marine builds schooner out of green lumber and optimism1804 Lake Ontario blizzard percent signcarrying half the legal system to a trialbecomes cautionary tale, compass, and chicken coop washing ashorewreck still playing hide-and-seek with diverscounty seat moves, historians cope, lake says “skill issue”lessons learnedbeing small = survivability buff until it isn’taudacity crits harder than calibernever trust prize courts or green timber
>>64222444Reminds me of fried eggs.
Does America still make ships ?
>>64225883yeah
>>64225658EAT SIDE-COCK FAGGOT!
>>64225752I thought that this was an end table with random crap on it until I clicked on it.
Unrelated but posting here so I can find it later.
>>64219339Ce n'est pas une proue, c'est une péninsule!
>>64227204>A SHIP is a vessel with 3 masts and square rigged on all mastsModern """"ships"""" confirmed for not being ships
>>64227272I didn't notice that until you brought it up.
>>64227272Are you suggesting there's a difference between the chad sailing ship and the virgin steam boat?
>>64219161those are dual-purpose secondaries btwquite advanced for the time
>>64229091>those are dual-purpose secondariesMore like essentially high angle AA guns used as secondary gunsEvery nation had something similar. Not too far off from the German Flak 105 for example. 4" against enemy shipping is underpowered.But these French guns did have fantastic rate of fire to be sure. Benefits of power loading.
>>64229207the French love their autoloaders
>>64224726>>64224735The Great White Fleet aesthetic is awesome
>>64222108at what point did the Brits forget all notion that they were bombing civilians and historic European cities and just went for it?
This era of ships is kino
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>>64229993Yeah during my trip to Japan last fall.
>>64230162Really cool. I am planning a 2 week trip and visiting Mikasa is one of my stops.
>>64229487You want Totalenkrieg you get Totalenkrieg.The French surrendered Paris without a shot hoping to preserve it, but the Germans didn't do the same, made the Allies fight tooth and nail for each square inch, so there it is. The Germans dragged the world down into it.Strategic bombing (for lack of better word) in those days was something like nuclear bombing today. Everyone feared it, everyone tried to avoid escalating to it, there were even interwar talks to outlaw it. (In that sense you can see the Hurricane as something of a THAAD equivalent today, intended to deny the enemy this awful weapon.) WW2's mass destruction of cities gives you a small scale taster of nuclear war, minus the lingering radioactive effects. Maybe like what if everyone limited themselves to low yield 1kt neutron bombs.Besides, Europeans have never really been that big on preserving historic cities. Historic cities are what survived the sieges and sacks of the preceding millennium, don't forget.
>>64230273>Besides, Europeans have never really been that big on preserving historic cities.Wrong. But then again, in the 40s nobody knew about the horrors of 50s-70s architecture and the absolute abominations the 21st century would spawn.
>>64230284Bauhaus architecture and its cousins in Britain etc is mainly scarcity-induced. Lots of blown up buildings to rebuild and a burgeoning population over the decades of relative peace. I have no idea but i suspect that first the expense of detailed stonework, and then the material itself, is what caused the problem. Maybe Europe ran out of stone in the massive amounts necessary for rebuilding.
>>64209750Some days I wish the US Navy still had this level of ornamentation instead of Battleship gray and no greebles.
>>64230245Spend as much time as possible in Kyoto
>>64230245do Osaka, Kyoto, and Lake Biwa if you canOsaka and Kyoto are oldskool Jap, very politeKyoto is Jap Disneyland even for Japs, they love going there and playing dress-up, and it's full of old houses and temples (that's my thing)Tokyo has modernised and is kinda like NYC; much of the history has been overtaken by commercialism, immigrants, and expats. the natives there are little different from any other Western metropolis, just a hair more politeI do not much like Yasukuni but that said, this year being the 80th anniversary of VJ they are pushing the boat out for WW2 commemoration so the museum there will be worth visiting either wayI did Osaka Castle and somewhat regret it, the exterior looks gorgeous but the interior makes it painfully clear that "it's only a model"so I'm my next trip will be to Himeji Castle, and Lake Biwa. Biwa is like Jap Glencoe, now very much the hicks, but once full of history, lots of wars were fought there.>>64230577noice
>>64220502long bow chads rise up
>>64224760>when the bridge is an actual bridge
>>64224907need moar predreanaughts
>>64211136Monitor sailed from NY to VA.
>>64222025I thought three tractors to a wing was really bad? Wasn't that why the B-36 went with pushers?
>>64231976barely
>>64213945Silence, bitch
>>64209735>MikasaSukasa
>>64235202Oh you :3
>>64231976Hugging the coastline and these boats were known to have problems when mass production happened that limited them to fair weather coastal duty. That being said, the turret and low profile was so profoundly ahead of the curve when it came to combat performance that their limitations didn't bar them from everyone wanting their own Monitor class boats.
