why germans believed in the wunderwaffe concept? one would think they were smart enough to commit the ever increasingly limited resources to stuff that would actually make them win the war
>>64210574>why germans believed in the wunderwaffe concept?
>>64210594so its an aryan thing, is that what u trynna say?
>>64210574Mostly because Germany didn't have the population to face England, France, and Russia simultaneously so they had to believe in making 1 german soldier worth 5 regular soldiers.
>>64210574Because they did come close to such a thing, with the nerve agents.Nazis didn’t have the guts to employ it
>>64210633They were warned in no uncertain terms that they'd get anthraxed in return.
>>64210574halo effect, people overstimate the effect of something they believe is grandiose and catches attention instead of many boring small procedural changes that add up to make a huge differencealso 20/20 hindsight, if the atomic bomb wouldn't have worked you would be crying about why didn't they use resources to save lives in the large scale ground assualt on Japan
If hitler had put more money in this and they had gotten This thing flying before the end of the war things would have been much different.
>>64210640No, the threat was mostly about chemical warfare.And then, nazis we’re already hoarding livestocks and foods from across europe, so most of europe will be fully depopulated before Germans started starving en masse.And, given the long period before anthrax spore cakes to fully take effects, compare to near instantaneous destruction of nerve agents, germs would have found out something’s off.
>>64210669Yes, a few months of production on a plane would have halted the millions of Russian ground troops
>>64210644>if the atomic bomb wouldn't have worked you would be crying about why didn't they use resources to save lives in the large scale ground assualt on Japansir, thats a farce
>>64210685>They were warned in no uncertain terms that they'd get anthraxed in return.>And then, nazis we’re already hoarding livestocks and foods from across europe,do you know what anthrax does?it mostly kills livestock.anthrax, as a biological weapon, was never primarily intended for use against humans. It is a way to deprive your enemy of sheep, cows, and horses.sheep = woolcows = leather, milk, and meathorses = logisticscows and horses = heavy ploughs, aka all your cereal grains.(this was an era when tractors had only existed for like, forty years)
>>64210793That what i said ???And it would have been more than likely that germans will start noticing something's off with their livestocks. Countermeasure to mitigate would be easier than say, equipping 40 mils brits with enough nerve agent proof gas masks (Yes, i know brits did mass produce civilian gas mask before 1939, but those are not effective against nerve agents)That's not even mentioning that you would need PPE to be safe, since high concentration of nerve gases (about 200 times higher than what it take to kill through respiratory)And less than 100 mg per cubic metre is enough to kill an adult male through inhalation
The reality was that the early 20th century was the age of Wunderwaffe. Machine guns, planes, chemical weapons, tanks, submarines, semiautomatic and automatic rifles, paratroopers, missiles, jets, and atomic weapons may seem 'mundane' now, but they were wunderwaffe as much as super heavy battleships or superheavy tanks.Patton for example went from making his own cavalry sword to pioneering tank warfare. We should appreciate that it was an era of experimentation and rapid technological change, and nobody knew what worked and what didn't.
>>64210741NTA but it's a good point though and something I never considered. The Atomic Bomb basically was a wunderwaffe, just it actually worked.
>>64210574Same reason the Brits believed in Blitzkrieg and Rommel's genius - it was cope to divert attention from their failures.
>>64210633>nazis use nerve agents to fuck up a few allied untis on the frontlines>entire german cities are drowned in mustard gas by the RAF in return
>>64210869>Countermeasure to mitigate would be easier1. No. 2. Especially not for the already overtaxed german economy when compared to those of the allies.3. THis also results in the germans having to equip tens of millions of their civilians with gas masks because the RAF starts dropping thousnads of tons of phosgene and mustard gas into german cities.
>>64210574>not enough steel>not enough fuel>not enough menThey could have dragged it out some more making more sensible gear, but the end was in sight. Doing some meth and betting the house on some hail marry wunderwaffe probably seemed like the only way out.
>>64210633It was more that Hitler wasn't a fan of chemical weapons, having fought in WW1 and been through gas attacks. Another reason why the Soviets picking "gas chambers" for their blood libel was really dumb.The idea that they were "afraid of retaliation" makes no sense given that the British were already levelling civilian population centres through conventional ordinance and Henry Morgenthau was talking about the need to wipe out the Germans as a people.
>>64210574Wunderwaffen were unironically the only logical choice by midwar considering that Germany was losing access/stockpiles of strategic resources and their industry didn't have the capacity to rebuild even early war tanks or planes in sufficient numbers for Germanys war aims. Sure they "could" have built more modern and numerous medium tanks or single engine aircraft, but they didn't have the oil or aluminum to field them in sufficient numbers to keep up with the Russkies
>>64210574Anticipation of exotic physics power plants to take Porsche electric engines to the next level. And things that could negate direct fire artillery/AT at the scale of Kursk defenses while ignoring tank trap ditches (and mines) with impunity.
>>64210574>why germans believed in the wunderwaffe concept?It was literally only Hitler and his cabinet promoting these. Everyone thought it wrs stupid and actively tried not to waste money on them.
>>64210574It was pure cope.>our superior Aryan Science will create a weapon that will force the Judengolems to surrender!>never mind that our military is supplied by horses pulling wagons in Anno Domini 1945 and we can't produce enough fuel or ammunition for said weapons but we'll win because we're superior! Reminder that the war could have ended in 1943 if the US/UK would have negotiated.
>>64211677>mustard gas>literally the least effective chemical agentWith what fucking bombers? The British could only do limited night raids, the only thing they'd do is ensure that bomber crews wouldn't be taken prisoner anymore.
>>64211728>Another reason why the Soviets picking "gas chambers" for their blood libel was really dumb.holocaust denial retard or talking about something else?
>>64216067Meanwhile the US creates a portable sun. In two flavors.
>>64211728Very different story when gas will be used on you in return than being able to use it with impunity.
>>64210607Well that was the case, Germany was winning 1v10 battles against the Soviets and even during the siege of Berlin the ratio was positive for the German army, what does that have to do with the Wunderwaffen?
>>64216091Zyklon B was a pesticide that has to be concentrated to stupid levels to be fatal to humans. Yet the had chlorine gas and Sarin. Why didnt they use that? Maybe because the gas chamber stories are dumb. They just used famine and bullets and worked people to death. Way too much of the Holocaust is romanticized and embellished by Jews trying to look interesting.
>>64210574>one would think they were smart enough to commit the ever increasingly limited resources to stuff that would actually make them win the warThat's the problem. The allies had a shit ton of resources and the Germans had an increasingly limited amount of resources. Once America entered the war and the Soviet Union failed to collapse decisively like France did, there wasn't really a mathematical route to win the ensuing war of attrition. You could try building sensible shit, but the allies will just build vastly more sensible shit that was (more or less) qualitatively equivalent. So you either bet the farm on wunderwaffe turning things around, or accept that defeat is inevitable and surrender.Probably a stupid bet for Germany on the whole, but not a terrible cynical bet to make if you're the big name Nazi leaders. They kind of put themselves in an awkward position of committing a bit too many perfidious sneak attacks and happy happy fun time atrocities. The allies were gonna want to execute a lot of the very very top ranking leaders on principle. Hence them approving the construction of all the HabensWerferGeschutzenNeuntausends. Probably won't work, but maybe it will.
>>64216067the V1 and V2 rockets, the panzerfaust, the me 262 or the STG 44 were also wunderwaffen, their mistake was to concentrate on extremely expensive weapons to produce using already existing concepts like a super heavy tank or a rail gun, they should have invested in a multitude of more or less wacky and relatively cheap to produce concepts then refined little by little according to the results during the first months of research
>>64216374>panzerfaust>Wunderwaffen If it costs less to build than a rifle and has a production run in the millions, then it's probably not a wunderwaffen.
>>64216437A Wunderwaffen is not defined by price, for example Germany developed individual night vision goggles that were considered Wunderwaffen
>>64216487>A Wunderwaffen is not defined by priceI mean if we're not defining wunderwaffen by something semi-tangible like price/technical complexity, then we're left with a lot of examples of Wunderwaffen that probably only qualify for marketing/branding reasons. Night vision as a war winning tech is a bit silly since the Americans had active IR tech themselves and could build it in greater quantity than the Germans.
>>64216788In terms of effectiveness, an individual weapon that can pierce 100 mm of armor at 50 meters during WW2 deserves to be called "wunderwaffen" more than a night vision goggle
>>64210689It would've decimated them, do you claim otherwise?
>>64216819> an individual weapon that can pierce 100 mm of armor at 50 meters during WW2 deserves to be called "wunderwaffen"?????
>>64216078Are we now pretending the British didn't have bombers?
>>64216875All Wunderwaffen.
>>64216078Are you retarded
>>64219282>Wunderwaffen, for everyone!
>>64210574Simple. They were getting their shit kicked in by the Americans, British, and Russians. Ideologically speaking the American and Russian part of that stung them (as they saw both groups as effectively subhuman). Combined with that the RAF and USAAF Combined Bomber Offensive had effectively removed Germany's industrial base from the war. So, if Germany could only produce (to massively simplify for the sake of the conversation) 1 tank for every 10 that their enemies could build then - so the theory went - they'd have to make sure that that 1 tank could defeat 11 of the enemies tanks before it got destroyed. Obviously that theory is retarded, and doesn't account for the vast number of other factors that go into military calculations, but it was the least retarded plan they had - and it played to their political biases too - so they ran with it, and paid the price for doing so. It's just one of the sort of idiotic things that happens when your military answers to drug addled morons.
>>64210574They didn't. They were more focused on maintaining production lines than anyone.
>>64220569>So, if Germany could only produce (to massively simplify for the sake of the conversation) 1 tank for every 10 that their enemies could build then - so the theory went - they'd have to make sure that that 1 tank could defeat 11 of the enemies tanks before it got destroyed.Germany was building Pz IV right up to the end of the war because they didn't want to disrupt production numbers from retooling.
>>64220789True, but OP asked specifically about the thinking that lead to the Wunderwaffle bullshit. Also this is your scheduled reminder that the bulk of the Wehrmacht tank forces when they were actually able to operate as a highly mechanized 'Blitzkrieg' armored force was the cute little Pz II, which was basically just one step up from an armored go-kart.
>>64210574It's the Red Queen Hypothesis. You must constantly adapt and innovate to stay competitive or to gain an advantage over your enemies. It still applies today as well. Cheap drones will necessitate innovation in defense, which will necessitate innovation in new drones. It's a constant race to be ahead of the competition, and it has led to to biggest advancements in human civilization in just the last two centuries.
>>64220891>Casually conquers France and the entire easternmost part of the Soviet Union It is kind of funny considering that everyone associates Blitzkrieg with the iconic Tiger/Panther tanks, but they only came into service after German advances had stalled and the war had turned into an attritional slog that Germany had very little hope of winning. Their biggest successes really were when they were mainly driving aroud in clanky little claptraps like the Panzer II and III, wasn't it? Not that the early model Panzer's were viable latter in the war obviously (unless modified for Stug life). But still funny to think about.
>>64221083It gets even funnier when you imagine the three guys crammed into that thing, popping Methamphetamine pills like breathmints, kind of wishing that EDM/Eurobeat had been invented by that time so they could have had some tunes playing as they redline the engines driving into France.
>>64221099forgot the pic
>>64221083>claptraps like the Panzer II and IIIDon't forget the 38(t). German design at its best.
>>64221256>Pz 38(t)As German as the Fuhrer himself!
>>64221099Honeslty thinking about it if German tanks ever had a significant wunderwaffen esque technological edge it would have been early war when >They understood the importance of crew ergonomics and the advantage of 3 man (2 on lighter tanks) turrets>Fucking radios everywhere Better situational awareness/coordination tended to be more important than having more guns or armor than the opposition. Losing that advantage (allies ditched 1-2 man turrets and USA spams radios everywhere) couldn't be compensated for by the German's building bigger cats.
>>64221307Radios in every tank, and several in damn near every supporting infantry transport was unironically one of the seriously impressive things about the early war Wehrmacht, that and the Wermacht Einheitskanister.
>>64216875I don't know if you know but there were other fighter planes after the me 262
>>64210574>why germans believed in the wunderwaffe concept?they nearly had significant conceptual breakthroughs, like guided anti-air missiles, which could've helped them to shut down the allied air campaign till Germany had nuclear deterrence
>>64216875>piatkek.
Rumors about the existence of the V2 spread among soldiers and officers, giving them some hope. Wiretapped information from a captured German general by British intelligence included an old-timer asking a newcomer what was going on with the Wunderwaffe.
>>64210574>commit the ever increasingly limited resourcesGermany not only lacked material resources, they lacked manpower. Reformer logic is not the solution.Germany needed wunderwaffle because they needed a miracle. Lost on resources, lost on production, lost on manpower.
>>64210574germans didn't. hitler did. and hitler was a reality detatched megalomaniac, so it checks out.
>>64221083>It is kind of funny considering that everyone associates Blitzkrieg with the iconic Tiger/Panther tanks, but they only came into service after German advancesPeople forget that reality isn't world of tanks. The blitzkrieg was more about the mechanized infantry in trucks and half tracks than the tanks' armor thickness or cannon penetration. A 20mm cannon and armor that can stop machine guns is a terror in 1940, it is an IFV.
>>64221352Jerry cans are a marvel when you consider the alternative fuel can construction which has the sheet metal seams tracing the bottom rim, and still needs a seam up the side.
>>64210574why even still fight the war after kursk? there was no way of winning after 43. the 2 last years of the war dont make sense at all from the german perspective. there was no reason anymore, just madness.
>>64210574They knew they weren't as strong as their propaganda would depict. They were undersupplied the whole time. They gambled on above and beyond miracle weapons because they were too busy wearing looted French underwear and anything "normal" wouldn't work. It's praying for a miracle because they knew they were fucked if they did conventional.
>>64221352The Jerrycan was really miraculous in hindsight. The flimsies and other cans had nothing on it and we still use it today. Easier to make, effective, doesn't need specialized tools to open, can be stacked and durable, etc.>>64222746They had chased out several scientists saying they did Jewish Physics and several nuclear programs that clawed each other for resources because Hitler loved pitting men against each other because muh natural selection and ended up achieving nothing at all. They'd never get nukes until everyone else and everyone else's mom had a nuclear bomb.>>64224905This here. The politics involved with every decision matter a lot. Lots of this was ideologically motivated insanity. >>64226062From the Nazi POV, the war was a race war and every slav, jew, etc they could kill was important. They had many moments they diverted resources away from an undersupplied army just to kill more unarmed civilians because they saw that as the whole point of it all. Conventional war logic doesn't apply to them. Besides, it's not like the angry enemies would've spared them all.
>>64210574Because it obviously would have worked, and Hitler had enough scientists to build him a nuke. Sweden was already manufacturing heavy water during the war, and sold both to the USA and Germany, during the development of their nuclear programs.Obviously, the jewish plan was to kill as many white ethnic Europeans as possible, and enslave them with their goy golem USA, so Hitler got sabotaged in his efforts. There were at least a dosen German/Austrian scientists that could have got the bomb before the allies. They decided to conduct research in the USSR even before Barbarossa. Lots of very suspect maneuvering, again, with the only obvious result being sabotage.Now would it have been effective? I dunno, ask the Japanese.
>>64210574>why did germans believe in the concept of wunderwaffe?Fixed for gorgeous looks, you can post ASAP.
>>64210574because their opponents are insurmountable>British empire.. lol1/5th of the worlds surface, could probably depopulate the entire uk and still have reserves>us80% of the worlds total oil refinement capacity, has plenty of 100 to 150 octane gasalso weird stuff like most of the strategically valuable woodlands>Soviet Unionhuge, can shrug off tens of millions of casualties. winning only makes things worse for you, as your now hundreds of miles away from any useful land.side note they are hoarding most of the worlds nickel and alloying compounds.
>>64226062because they quite literally inimicated the entirety of europe and their acts of ethnic genocide were universally known and despised. hitler wanted to stay on power for as long as possible, as putin now is prolonging the war for the same reason, but the fact is that germans were absolutely certain that, after what the ss did, they would've received no quarter from anybody. so they were compelled to fight to the death because they knew if they lost their fates would've been worse.
>>64216374>sturmgewehr is a wunderwaffen
>>64226062It's a problem inherent in dictatorial regimes. The more that authority is centralized, the more removed from the actual situation on the ground the decision makers become, making it ever likelier that they will be making decisions based on incomplete or inaccurate information. Worse still, given the complexity of a modern industrial society and the inherent limits on the competency of even the greatest individual men, centralizing authority in a single man or small group means that many decisions will be getting made by someone with little or no real expertise in that area of administration.Basically, you've got Hitler sitting in Berlin getting fed overly optimistic reports by cronies who want to remain in his good favor, making decisions on high-level military strategy, procurement, and diplomacy when he never had any actual experience beyond the rank of corporal.
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>>64210574Economies of scale. Germany was running out of oil and big engines consume proportionally less fuel than small engines.
>>64227006It is. Just because "it worked" and is now mundane doesn't mean that a machine gun that takes the form of a regular rifle isn't completely absurd from a 30's and 40's perspective. M1 Garands were wunderwaffe of WW1 as well.What makes a wunderwaffe a wunderwaffe is you can hold up this amazing technological advancement and scream "WITH THIS I WILL END THE WAR" and you get a big applause of "implessive" and the war continues regardless.
>>64226062>there was no reason anymoreThe reason was that Hitler/Goering/Goebbles/Himmler preferred suicide or execution in 1945 over 1943. Something about being alive for an extra 1-2 years.
>>64210574They knew that only miracle could save them. They started shitting bricks the moment the UK declared war on them and THEN the dreaded 2 front war happened kek.
>>64228801>They started shitting bricks the moment the UK declared war on themdelulu take
>>64229055Sure thing Herman - and "two hundred peace offers" by them was just because they were SO peaceful by nature (kek)
>>64229296You're retarded for thinking Hitler didn't know what the response to breaking the Versailles would have been.
>>64229426Are you stupid? The Germans had been getting away with breaking the Versailles treaty for many years before the war. >bbbut Hitler knew everything!!!!better get a new script or consult with other naziboos first.
>>64229587btw, Hitler had evidently chosen to be remembered for his cruelty than for his idiocy (kek)
>>64228801>They started shitting bricks the moment the UK declared war on them>Hitler sees ever-growing Red goliath that is the Russian army, which has outwardly stated it wants to turn everything communist>Ohshit.jpg maybe this is going to be difficult to overcome>Lol fuck you Germans, we'd rather the continent be communist than let jews get punished for their crimes!>Biggest betrayal of the 1900's.png
>>64229620>Hitler sees ever-growing Red goliath that is the Russian armyGermans were selling the Soviets their own military technology till the very Barbarossa (kek) but were still "surprised" when they met t-34s. That's how much they "saw" (kek)They were scared of Anglos (which btw achieved like 20:1 K/D versus them (kek - so much about muh German K/D)), not of "subhuman Slavs". They were stoned on their own farts in other words.
>>64229655The UK failed so hard against Germany they shat their pants, left their French ally to get capitulated, and spent the next four years building ersatz volksturm weapons for an invasion that never arrived.
>>6422966220:1 K/D
>>64229667>It was real in my mindGod the jews are still at it circa 2025
>>64229674Hitler kaput, Herman.
>>64226969And indeed, their fate was worse.
>>64229587You're retarded for thinking Hitler didn't know what the response to breaking the Versailles would have been.
>>64229677>YAY PATRICK WE SAVED EUROPE FROM THE NAZIS!>Half of Europe is red>British empire shattered>Literal talmudic jews now running the place
>>64229699rich vs poor map
>>64216296I'm pretty sure that has to do with defenders achieving more kills than attackers.
>>64211690>This also results in the germans having to equip tens of millions of their civilians with gas masks And they did, Volksgasmaske total production(45 millions) was not enough for the whole germany , but can still cover for a significant portion of the population, especially against older stuffs like phosgene.Brits produced much more for civies(107 millions), but we are talking newer and far more lethal nerve agents that the brits will have to face, not even m5 assault mask issued to omaha troops provide sufficient protection against nerve agent.And, the high population density of south east England would be much more vulnerable to concentrated nerve gas attacks, a relatively comparable densely populated ghouta was also hit by around half a ton of sarin using grad rockets
>>64226062Well, it turns out that the Bolsheviks and the chiefs of staff in both the UK and USA actually wanted to destroy the German people completely and wrote about it publicly! Wow!
>>64210869>something's off with their livestocksYou don't know shit about anthrax do you?
>>64216067>could have ended in 1943 if the US/UK would have negotiated.Why should they?
>>64229699Dresden won in the end...
>>64229655>which btw achieved like 20:1 K/D versus them (kek - so much about muh German K/DLol even the most Ally-generous comparisons state that only the Americans went 1:1 in select theaters and that the Germans mopped up everyone routinely.
>>64229620Germany and the Soviets were allies you fucking thick cunt
>>64229662Kek
>>64229655> 20:1Holy hell, did modern Brits education manage to drop that low ?Even with the most generous casualties deliberately estimated in allies favor, the kdr, at least for major western front battles post d-day couldn’t surpass 1:1.52 (138,529:210,720).The true kdr might as well be closer to 1:1.2 or 1:1.3 at best, and this was with total allies air supremacy during the two last years.> forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=226986I doubt a retarded britmutt like you could come up with a counter argument
Nazi Germany was running on IOUs up the wazoo and had to intentionally cull populations in Eastern Europe to avoid food shortages in Germany proper, the wunderwaffe was a last ditch effort to buy time. It didn't matter if Germany could build a Panzer that kills 4 Shermans for every 1 that gets burned, the Americans had 5 Shermans. Same goes for the Soviets and the Soviets had the ability to make some stupidly heavy tanks by the end of the war, so Germany had to not only face economically optimized tanks but also proto MBTs and only could make one or the other themselves. The wunderwaffe angle is also overplayed, Germany still at the end of the day relied on a lot of cheaper to make Panzers, StuGs and other vehicles to keep their numbers up.
>>64230218To be fair the Allies were attacking most of the time, to inflict equal casualties on a dug in defender is pretty good. The Germans fell for the same illusion and blew their load in the Battle of the Bulge, only for them to realize the Americans were as numerous as the Russians but smarter.
>>64210644yeah Germany defo fucked up by going against science and expelling their most educated people. Viking boi Odin ain't gonna conjure up an atomic bomb. Oppenheimer and Einstein did
>>64230334Jeez, you guys are dense. I was obviously talking about total war casualties, not about the results of some selected pitched battles. (you may check the "How the War Was Won" by O'Brien for some elaboration of this approach. Named battles mattered little in WW2; the Western Allies were plying completely different game by the rules they enforced on Germans).Compare the German and British bars on pic rel; that's it. >bbbut one Tiger Tank could have destroyed 35 Shermans!!!whatever
>>64230464> first bragged about muh 20:1 kdr> got debunked> uhm akshualky I was just pretending to be retarded, it’s all about the war casualties !!!Nice deflection about something that has absolutely fuckall to do with what you spouted out in the first place, bozo
>>64230483Did you really thought that I meant that D-day, the Arnhem etc had 20:1 in favour of the British?>proudly debunked!Naziboos truly believe that everybody else is retarded and _they_ are smart. (I've seen such attitude among Gypsies too kek)
>>64230505> did you reallyThen it seems it’s you who actually can’t even write up a coherent argument while trying to gaslight everyone, retardo-kun.> muh nazibooBack to pleddit, then. Or try to lurk a bit more, maybe you’ll learn a thing or two to not actually sound like a brickhead
>>64230531>>/pol is here
>>64230545>much polKek, I accept your concessionAlso, big talk about gypsies behavior, when it’s you who couldn’t even come up with a coherent thought. I’ve seen way smarter rednecks
>>64230557>I accept your concessionOh yeah, I recognize this shtick. Certain /poltard who also like to play a village idiot on /his/ and /k/
>>64230567Except I’ve never even browse /his/, biz k and pol is more of my thing.Though consider the level of your intellect, maybe some random autist was enough to live rent free in your meathead for so long, that’s quite unheard of
>>64210574americunts and third worls niggers listen up, aryan typing:you are still running after smth hyped up by history channel and model kit producers.and its 'Vergeltungswaffe" = V1, V2... or has anyone ever heared of a W1?
>>64230578>Except I’ve never even browse /his/And then everyone clapped.
>>64230595Oh great ! So you have finally learned there’s a whole world outside of /his/ ?So…can we start working on your intellect now ? I mean, try using gypsies as some sort of insult with that meathead level of iq is kinda…hypocritical, don’t ya think ?
>>64230589Germans are technologically talented. Socially, politically, emotionally they are clearly underdeveloped.
>>64230612I knew that the "gypsie" will hurt you. Master race ubermensch and all (kek)
>>64230631>gypsieMore projection, again ?So may I say calling you a meathead also got you riled up about a certain autist that been living rent free in your head for so long ?
>>64230643Dude, you are known to _try_ scrape out a W from every lost argument with "I accept your concession". kekYou are quite unique.
>>64230654> W What W to scrape off here ? I’m just having fun on a Sunday evening, it just you getting so riled up after getting called out for being a meathead on a vietnamese rice grinding forum, retardo-kun.But work on your vocabulary, you seem rather slow in the head
>>64230671kek, a natural born imbecileno wonder that you need the heritage of "your" whole race to have some self-respect even (kek)
>>64229712>>Half of Europe is redKek>Be Germans Karl Marx and Friedrich Engel>Create Communist Manifesto>Ideology popular but material conditions in industrialized nations are such it can never truly take root>Be Germany >Kick off WW1>Hamstrung between Eastern and Western fronts>idea.exe>Destabilize Russian empire by fomenting Bolshevism>Holy shit it actually works>Lose the war anyway>9 to 15 million dead, mostly fighting age males but also women and children>Conditions which cause Ottomans to chimp out, .8 to 1.2 Armenian christians dead>Europe too weak to stop Soviet ascendancy - Holodomor, Red Terror, Russian Civil War total approx. 18 million dead>Be Germany again>Kick off WW1 part 2 electric boogaloo>Lose (again)>15 to 20 million european deaths>Soviets now stronger than ever and have a permanent foothold in Eastern Europe>Western allies depleted by war forced to abandon colonies, effectively sowing the seeds for unstable shitholes to pour immigrants into Europe>Butcher's Bill: estimated 54 million dead Europeans by 1945 on the high end, soviet union you helped create now raping your women, brownoids no longer checked and free to multiply with abandon>Be OP, dipshit, fail to take all of the above into consideration and blame the western allies insteadYeah
>>64230692> muh race> screeched about pol> now blabbering like a true /pol/estinianAnything worthwhile to contribute, retardo-anon ?
>>64230703I've contributed quite a bit already, but feel free to ask.
>>64211547Basically this someone born in the 70s came to a world where cavalry charges were a think, they left a world with space craft and atomic weapons.
>>64230696*be Anon, not OP
>aw sweet a thread about material conditions of ww2 germany and the inherent constraint of the term wunderwaffe due to its linguistic connotations?>30 replies until it descends into verbal shitflinging and madnessWhy do you guys always have to be like this?
>>64216318Once within a human being the agent blocks cell absortion of oxygen, you don't need to completely saturate someone with the gas, just inhale enough to disrupt natural functions.
>>64231192There's a lot of autismos who obsess over this stuff and absolutely cannot concede to anyone else's viewpoint. /k/ has always been full of autism and became even worse with the pettiness when reddit flooded in.
>>64231535I could have sworn it wasn't that bad even a year ago.
>>64230151and rightly so.Fuck germany for all the bullshit they perpetrated on the homelands.
>>64226535fuck off back to pol you retard
