It will be another Iraqmilitarily speaking venezuela doesn't have the things that made Vietnam & other similar conflicts fail.Why do you think Vietnam managed to repell an invasion by America, China and defeat pol pot? Because of Soviet supportWhy do you think the Soviets couldn't defeat the mujahideen?Because of Saudi and CIA supportVenezuela(maduro) has support from no one, except maybe Cuba and NicaraguaRussia already has logistical problems in Ukraine to the point that they need help from North Korea...And China wouldn't want to engage in a proxy war with their biggest trading partner just to support a highly unpopular dictator,and even if they did they would have to cross thru panama or the southern tip of south america, and i doubt that Chile & Argentina would allow military ships to pass through to support a regime that they openly opposeAnd even if they make it to the caribbean by the time they get there the whole place would be filled to the brim with warships>but what if they go thru Brazil?they would have to cross southeast asiaAnd even if they get thru it's unrealistic to think that Brazil would want to get involved in a war right at their doorstep on behalf of maduro (Lula blocked Venezuela from joining BRICS, to give you an idea)So yeah, militarily speaking, they would probably be pushed out of major cities and into the jungle, where they would probably try to wage a guerrilla war, while having to fight the many drug cartels there probably.
>>64211256>but what if they go thru Brazil?>they would have to cross southeast asia?
>>64211270I mean't that in order to reach brazil they would have to cross south asia first, then the indian ocean, south africa and finally reach brazil
>>64211256It won't even be another Iraq. Iraq continued because of outside jihadis infiltrating and aiding the insurgents in Iraq, without outside support a insurgency CAN NOT EXIST.
>>64211256for the cartels to operate, they need facilities, and said facilities will be easily seen from air, leading them to be easily destroyedthey don't have any actual support, so anyone living in the jungle will immediately say "this fucking sucks ass" then drop whatever they're doing & go homethe fear of leaving the cartel won't be as issue, as their entire point of existing (making money) will be null the moment they're blockaded
>>64211256While Venezuela's military is hot garbage, PSUV has also had 20 years to entrench themselves within Venezuelan society and loads of hapless retards support them either out of fear, hatred, or brainwashing.While it probably won't turn into a full-blown Vietcong insurgency, it's not going to be the cakewalk Trump seems to have convinced himself it's going to be either. It would be better for Trump to seek more discreet ways of removing Maduro from power.
>>64211426Just assassinate him lmao
>>64211285>without outside support a insurgency CAN NOT EXIST.The Indians fought American encroachment for over a century and they had basically no outside support except for brief periods of alliance with Great Britain and the Confederate States.
>>64211444Yeah that was what I was hinting at silly.
>>64211285This is a reminder that when the uprising happened every single unit in the Venezuelan military failed to defect.
>>64211445There were arguably an equal amount of Indians compared to whites in many areas. The few areas with white majorities never saw much of an insurgency. Not to mention living off the land at the time was feasible and the Indians were very good at it. Also we dont use muskets and horses anymore, and scalpers cant just stay out of sight.
>>64211445they also lived a borderline stone age lifestyle, while still trading with other tribes & settlers, during the fucking 1800'salso, what the hell is with you retards and going "but look at this thing from 200 years ago!!! thats just like now!!!"?you do realize that we have more advanced technology than steam powered trains & rifles with rubber obturators, right?
The Taliban really didn't have support except maybe from Pakistan. Americans still lost. Venezuela would look like that. Landslide victory in the invasion, Maduro ded in 2 weeks. And then 10+ years of unconventional attrition war with PSUV/allies until the US gives up. It's the Burger way of making war, as their failures in Vietnam/Iraq/Afghanistan show us.
>causing yet another societal collapse in a already destroyed countryAmerigolems are gonna amerigolm
>>64211516>>64211526its not a failure if the entire point was to torture & kill [everyone]
>>64211598You would do the same if you're christian and someone steals foreskin
Trump-the peaceful president
>>64211458>>64211462I wasn't trying to insinuate that an insurgency without support can win, but to flat out state that one can't exist is just foolishly naive and simplistic.If you want a more recent example, take the Tamil Tigers. Apart from a brief period in the 1980s where India was clandestinely supporting them, they received almost no foreign support of any kind. This was further compounded by the fact that they were on an island in the middle of the ocean with no porous borders to slip across.
>>64211256>another reddit faggot cheering for the brown communists with an off topic bait thread about a war that isn't happeningSage
>>64211647unless Bibi has a hate boner for Venezuela I don't see why Trump would start a war
>>64211669Chavez was famously antisemitic. His party isn't pro is****https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuHadVqn5gQ
>>64211674antizionist*
>>64211256Anyone who is reading this off topic shitpost thread should realize that almost everyone in the Americas would be happy with Maduro gone. The vast majority people cheering for a protracted insurgency are from Europe and Asia, making them unaware how hated Maduro is among his own people and his neighbors, nor are they aware of the historical precedent for such interventions.
>>64211447>>64211426Maduro isnt enough, you need to beheav the upper sphere of the Venezuelan government including dipshits like Diosdado Cabello and everyone with a big name in ther commie party. Remember Maduro simply picked up after Chavez.>>64211778It would look exactly like Panama, token resistance, militias and elite standing troops being utterly decimated while a big bulk of the troops desert from low morale, bad command and simply not giving enough of a shit about their government to die for it.>>64211455The only reason the Venezuelan army didnt defect was because they have actual kommisars suppressing political dissent inside and they are also the ONLY people in the country who get fed properly. They dont want to starve. They dont want to die to a JDAM either.
>>64211256More critically Russia is in no position to support them and China won't bother trying because Altantic and Pacific. Aside from that the manduro/chavex regime is not very popular with most of the Venezuelans because people don;t like poverty want and dicators in the end of the day
>>64211778fair
cubans are in no state to put troops in either. Frankly its good timing to get rid of maduro
>>64212154Maduro falling would probably lead to Cuba and Ortega collapsing as well. The full reveal of the atrocities in all of these countries, especially the Helicide in Caracas and the decades of notes in Cuba will probably do more to discredit the Latin American Left than anything in its history. Could easily lead to Lula losing power as well in Brazil.Would be kino and give LATAM Honorary Blanco status.
>>64211778>off topic shitpost threadNo such thing on this board anymore.On topic threads get removed, off topic threads stay up. Rules don't matter anymore so don't go by them when judging a thread.If it appeals to the redditors/Ukraine cheerleaders or if a shill group pays well enough then it gets to stay.If it triggers the commies like the thread about the strike on drug runners did then it gets pruned. You aren't allowed to say anything remotely positive about Trump on this board even in relation to weapons or military actions.
From what I can tell Venezuela would be easier than Iraq and way easier than Afghanistan to pacify and westernize. They wouldn't need much in terms of financial aid to accept a democratic successor regime post US intervention.
>>64211516Afghanistan is far more complex sociopolitically than Venezuela. If a communist regime can thrive in a nation, the USA can supplant it with a western friendly regime.
wasnt this the plot of cawadoody ghosts
>>64211256>Vietnam managed to repell an invasion by AmericaYou mean when the US was invited into South Vietnam by the government of South Vietnam? That’s not an invasion, Corky.
>>64211256Venezuelans are literally begging Trump to liberate them. Even fucking commies are tired of Maduro’s shit. He lost the last election and cancelled the result. Venezuelan soldiers will flee or turn their guns on loyalists. It will be what the bay of pigs was supposed to be.>t. Has Venezuelan family
>>64212228Nah the backstory for Ghosts was that Venezuela managed to convince most of South America to form a union with them at the top and then invaded the other countries that didn’t join like French Guyana, and then they went a conquering up Central America to the souther US boarder (who mind you did the bare minimum besides blow up a dam to stop this threat in their backyard). And then Venezuelas highjacked the US orbital weapons platform and started dropping rods on the continental US.
>>64211256>It will be another IraqYou should probably sit down before you catch up on how that worked out.
>renames Department of Defense to Department of War>goes to war right afterward>God Emperor Trump sneak attacks Mexico>Destroys any Chinese people in Panama>Mass kidnapping and murderAll we fuckin wanted was less immigrants and Redneck White people to get jobs bro... why does life have to be this hard. Why should Democrats be the only people allowed to rule this country by law but be so fucking insufferable and gay?
>>64212264Are you trying to imply that either time the US raped iraq to death, it wasnt an utter American victory?
>>64212258I figured if the US basically ensures every Venezuelan can eat a plate of empanadas a day they autowin.
>>64211516There are lots of pre-Chavez Venezuelans who know how much better shit was. Hell lots of them remember the fat times or the opec 70s. People there are fed up with Maduro’s shit, even some of what were previously his most loyal subjects. Things can only backslide for so long
>>64212268Because they might call us chuds and hurt our feelings, we must be PRINCIPLED CONSERVATIVES and let ourselves be literally raped and murdered while saying "imagine if the shoe was on the other side" to own the libs.
>>64212281One Mcdonalds in every corner of Caracas
>>64211256The US would have a majority of the populace on its side and wouldn't need to engage in a lengthy occupation. It would be another Panama though I doubt any US ground forces even need to be deployed in this case
>>64211256TACO ain't gonna do shit because he's too dumb and chickenshit to wage a war much less a assassination attempt on BasedDuro like he tried and failed to do in his first term lol!
>>64212335>Communist using Bluesky shitlib memesFitting
>>64212341>assmad /pol/ack that uses buzzwords because he can't into refuting argumentsFitting
>>64212258A successfull low cost takeover of Venezuela might lead to an American invasion of Mexico to oust the cartels (real ones this time). Thus success in Venezuela might put America on the road to a big potential disaster.
>>64212335funny. I never hear the commies talk about Epstein before all this. $20 says they "forget" when the next Democrat is in office.
>>64212294It was pretty ubiquitous around the time Chavez came to power. That being said, if Americans knew better they’d want to invade for the war brides alone. Venezuela makes beauty queens like Brazil make soccer players. There’s literally girls in the barrio saving up for cosmetics and runway walking classes. Shit is crazy.
>>64211445>he doesn't know Hey dumbfuck where do you think they got guns from?
>>64212384that's it, guys. we need to liberate Venezuela.
>>64211622Peace, through superior firepower.
>>64212112>It would look exactly like PanamaSo few remember.
>>64212258>>t. Has Venezuelan familyYou don't have a qt3.14 sister, do you?
>>64211622Gotta Wag The Dog to avoid talking about the elephant in the room!
china sure cares a lot about america invading countries in america
>>64212474Epstein victims cleared him. Sorry about that
>>64212474Never, ever, ever. Or, just like the Warren Commision files, heavily redacted to hide the truth we all know.
>>64212370Honestly, overpromising on the Epstein files was a mistake. I think the most likely scenario is that the government doesn't actually have that much hard evidence that they can release that isn't either illegal material or violating the privacy of victims. He was already convicted once, I don't think they held back much evidence. The only conspiracy I slightly buy into regarding the files is that Israeli officials are probably implicated to some degree and it'd interfere with current talks. We already know who visited the island and who he was associated with from previous document releases, there's probably not many secrets left to reveal.
>>64211622Venezuela has been testing the US for years. Democrats would bend the knee but now Trump has the balls to call out the bullshit.
>>64212275>it wasnt an utter American victory?>thousands of Americans dead>trillions of dollars flushed down the toilet>Iraqi state basically delivered into the arms of Iran upon American withdrawal>US troops had to go BACK just three years later because ISIS overran half the country in like a monthDoes this sound like victory to you?
>>64212474>muh files Great way to out yourself as a retard.>the files get released >nothing happens Tell me, do those files change anything?
>>64212537>any of this Nice fanfiction. >IranDelivered so fucking hard that they allowed the US to whack one of their top generals while visiting. >ISIS>is dedDo you have anything else to say retard?
>>64212495true, it's not like there's a literal client list. but no one is being arrested for it, and frankly I don't think anyone will. to many high level people involved for that.
>>64212538Epstein files posting will decline after today’s exoneration of Trump
>>64212543>Delivered so fucking hard that they allowed the US to whack one of their top generals while visiting.>evading the point this hard>ISIS>is ded
>>64212537>thousands of Americans dead>4,508 dead over a eight year period I mean your right about thousands but even still 4,508 over eight years doesn’t seem too bad
>>64211256>Because of Saudi and CIA supportNo... Because they share a border with Pakistan and if not for their willingness to truck those weapons in the Soviets would still mostly be fighting Taliban and Mujahideen dudes with Lee- Enfields for the most part which much like America backfired on Pakistan too even harder arguably given Pakistan as we know it isn't long for this world with their instability or rather lack of it plus the various separatist movements (which are totally justifiable).Also Pakistan has their own version of the CIA known as the ISI. Unfortunate that they're only good at fucking shit up, they're incapable of fixing anything however.>>64211516>The Taliban really didn't have support except maybe from Pakistan. Americans still lost.At the end point you could argue China was the Taliban's biggest backer even giving them NV goggles and other means to give them more of a fair fight, because rare earth minerals. Remember Afghans feel as though a large chunk of their ethnic lands was stolen from them by the British Empire and then later handed to Pakistan and honestly they aren't wrong in this resentment in my opinion.>>64211426>It would be better for Trump to seek more discreet ways of removing Maduro from power.Or we could just wait and see if Maduro is actually retarded enough to start a war with Guyana while Exon Mobile is getting ready to develop oil drilling infrastructure there and never mind the US getting involved. Brazil France the Saudi led ARAMCO kingdoms Columbia and whatever random Injun tribe they piss off along the way would be beating their commie asses back home, because oil.The US would eventually just be the vulture that swoops down and drives the final peck that kills the starving wounded beast that would be the Venezuelan military.It's a lot easier to just build up your forces in anticipation for an attack against an inferior foe and reap the near endless support against dudes who are still using Mosins.
>>64212495Its almost guaranteed to be Israel related because of Maxwell and the fact that the first probe was shut down over Epstein being with "intelligence". Also who can control both Democrats and Republicans for three consecutive administrations and congress? Who is actually above Trump on the totem of power in American politics? That got away with dragging America into striking Iran while mid-occupation of Gaza?
>>64212537>thousands of Americans deadNiggers upon learning that people die in war: :000 zomg!!!Dont look up how many rag heads got wasted, you'll shit your pants.>trillions of dollars flushed down the toiletThats like, your opinion. What would you rather have gibsmedats for Detroit for about 8 months of like ~1 million dead muslims? I pick dead muslims. >Iraqi state basically delivered into the arms of Iran upon American withdrawalNigga?? Huh??? Are you stupid? Iraqis hate Iranians. They had a war over it, like 13 million shitskins died or something. >all the rest of that shitIraqi skill issue. America skull fucked isis like it skull fucked iraq (twice). Curiously, isis was only ever effective against iraq when it did not have American backing. How curious, its almost like muslims are shitskin retards.
>>64212594In addition to everything you said: the Exxon Mobil Guyana project that Venezuela frequently threatens is part owned by CNOOC, a Chinese state owned entity. So China has even less incentive to help Venezuela.
>>64212258Your family will be happy to finally have a leader who respects election results.
>>64212268>renames Department of Defense to Department of WarGod, Trump is such a retarded fucking ape sometimes. We made that name change to specifically reflect on both the dramatic restructuring of that institution post-1945 (specifically granting civilian authority, most notably the Executive Branch, greater control over the Armed Forces) and its new role as the shield of the Free World against Communism and Trump’s dumb niggerbrain managed to somehow conflate this with being “woke”.
>>64212954ok boomer
>>6421125610 bucks Venezuela becomes another vietnam
>>64212954Trump embraces the beer commercial vision of America rather than what it was throughout the 20th century. Like how the US has traditionally treated military holidays as somber remembrances of sacrifice but Trump wants to create a bunch of military victory celebrations like Europe.
>Why do you think Vietnam managed to repell an invasion by AmericaBecause the US was retarded, had no clear picture of winning, didn't do anything sane with the local support, didn't invade North Vietnam (basically creating a safe space for VC) and so on.
>>64213039>inb4 this time they'll not be retarded
>>64212495I genuinely believe the contents of the Epstein files are entirely related to his financial activities with the majority of it being nothing more than rich people moving money around to avoid taxes. >>64212639It's CIA black money.
>>64213020Nah, we just had a vote and we decided we reject your gay vision of America.
>>64211256>Venezuela won't be another VietnamIt will>It will be another IraqNo its gonna be Vietnam>militarily speaking venezuela doesn't have the things that made Vietnam & other similar conflicts fail.Jungle>Why do you think Vietnam managed to repell an invasion by America, China and defeat pol pot? Because of Soviet supportJungle powerVietnam in jungle
All of this because trump doubled down on making maduro a target and placed a smattering of missile boats in the sea to perform counter-cartel operations.The bigger takeaway is Maduro's posturing can only prove the basis of some claims made about him. Quite a shame nobody's popped his head for that 50 million.
>>64213368Last time someone tried to kill Maduro, pic related happened, kek!
>>64213143>It's CIA black money.Same thing.
>>64211256Okay buddy, you go fight in the jungle. Who's to say they won't band together with the cartels? So have fun.
>>64213220>>64213965VENEZUELANS DONT LIVE IN THE JUNGLE YOU DIPSHITS+90% OF THEIR POPULATION HUGS THE COAST IN CITIES AND TOWNS. THERE'S HARDLY ANY HUMAN HABITATION DEEP INLAND, NOT EVEN RURAL FARMERS GO IN THE ACTUAL JUNGLE. THE GOVERNMENT HAS NO INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE AMAZON TO FALL BACK ON. NOTHING CAN FUCKING LIVE THERE.
>>64212358>Retard uses buzzwords, gets mad when buzzwords are used back at him
>>64212207>MUH TRUMPWhat, are those constant generals in /pol/ not enough for you faggots?
>>64214127You mean the constant threads of browns seething about Trump? Who the fuck are you newfags thinking /pol/ is a pro Trump board anymore? 2016 was almost 10 fucking years ago the Fuentcels are more dominant than the magaboomers now.
>>64212487Great, he should release all the files unredacted except for victim names to own the libs!
>>64214130>using the word newfag when he's a 2016 election touristGo the fuck back.
>>64214139>he's a 2016 election touristWhere the did you read that you stupid brown skinned jeet? All I did was mention that /pol/ hasn't been pro Trump in a long time.
>>64212386americans they bought from or stole from
>>64214145>/pol/ hates the guy who gets a neverending general about him!Uh huh. As if the gay little Fuentes feud you keep jerking off to isn't enough to tell me you're a /pol/tard who escaped containment.
>>64214157You seem to know a lot about /pol/, maybe you're just being a false flagging /pol/nigger, likely a Fuentcel too.
>>64214014>VENEZUELANS DONT LIVE IN THE JUNGLE YOU DIPSHITSYetBesides, we got all these zoomers out there that need their own war, another vietnam would be good for them
>>64214157bodied that fatherless FREAK
>>64211516I doubt it. Latin americans arent Muslims, they arent fanatics. They mostly just do whatever to get by. If the yanks take the trouble to minimally improve the country, most resistance would cease in a year or two. Provided they do a decent job of setting up a puppet.
>>64214014And what's the population distribution and hospitality of the climate in Afghanistan, might I ask?
>>64214014>+90% OF THEIR POPULATION HUGS THE COAST IN CITIES AND TOWNS.Wasn't the same largely true of South Vietnam?
>>64214339>>64214507Didnt Iraq have a million soldiers?
>>64212112>The only reason the Venezuelan army didnt defect was because they have actual kommisars suppressing political dissent inside and they are also the ONLY people in the country who get fed properly. They dont want to starve. They dont want to die to a JDAM either.This is half cope. While it's true that they receive way better treatment and their families are fed, it's also true that they are ideologically commies. You have to understand that most people in Venezuela keeping that shitshow running are True Believers. They will die for their ideology. Can the US do them the favor? Yes. Will it be easy or clean? No.
>>64211256Why are we forgetting that Congress won't pass an AUMF anyway? This shit isn't happening, like at all.
>>64214556Are they? seems like mostly crony corrupt embezzlers to me rather than ideological fanatics, but what do I know.
>>64214609Why do you think the current regime will be constrained by anything that congress or the court system would say? They just unilaterally deleted the parts of the federal government they don't like, and got away with it.
>>64215232We don't live in a dictatorship yet. As dumb as I think the American people are, I don't think they're going to I'm going to stop writing that post, but leaving it there, because I don't even believe that. Yeah, we're fucked, bro.
It's a good thing we're talking about invading south america instead of those documents that are totally a hoax and never happened and even if it did happen that's not important. Remember kids, the MS-13 terrorist pedophile communists are out to git ya, that's the most important thing! No no no don't look over here, look over there! It's a tren de agua!
>>64211445>The Indians fought American encroachment for over a centuryThere was never a sustained campaign on the part of the American military. It was literally just brief campaigns of annihilation either to steal more land or in retaliation for something the natives did. The Indian wars have more in common with wildlife management than they do counterinsurgency.> and they had basically no outside support except for brief periods of alliance with Great Britain and the Confederate States.The US Army had minimal support as well, they frequently operated beyond their supply lines. Despite this it was mostly one sided, that's why the rare defeats like St Clair's defeat & Little Bighorn were so shocking.
>>64211516Afghans are illiterate backwards stone age people who have no concept of the world or geo politics. Muslims and arabs in general are difficult to tame short of extermination cause they are fanatical brainwashed retards. Venezuelans despite being brown are "westernized" they have enough wherewithal to know where the winds are blowing. Right now Maduro isnt in any kind of threatened position. Better to not rock the boat despite shit conditions. Most communist inspired insurgensies in Latin America fail because the people aren't fanatical retards. Even the remote indigenous tribes have enough sense to know to keep thier heads low. Also terrorism and suicide boming yourself is an alien concept to them, nobody is going to martyr themselves for Maduro especially since most of the continents is catholic and believe suicides go to hell.
>>64215232>>64215262Now hold on now. The government has always made sweeping, nationally changing effects ever since the Constitution and the Union came to be. Big fight over slavery, women's vote, prohibition, fiscal deregulation, the 1986 funs massacre, just to name a few of the big ones we all know.Anyonw who tells me>but THIS administration>but THAT administrationCan fuck right off.
>>64214556Talking about how 'communists' will behave is like saying birds behave like X, are we talking crows or chickens or eagles or what?The south american socialist species of communism hasn't got much to actually believe in other than hating America and wanting more prosperity. They're completely fine with capitalism if it improves their livelihoods.Obviously it's quite tricky for America to openly install a puppet government there.But if you just drop a bomb on the current dipshit leadership someone else will almost certainly take power who thinks that maybe intelligent market economics and oil fields can be used to make shitloads of money and fighting America in the name of global communism can just be a larpy hobbyist sideshow instead of actually believing it and speedrunning poverity.Venezuela is a statistical aberration in South America, there's no logical reason they should be so much more fucked up than all of their neighboring states, we could literally just press their reset button with a decapitation strike and it's like 9 out of 10 they turn out normal. Probably.
>>64211256Argies won't stop diddlysquat without a navy. Least of all one of their chief trading partners, which mind you, they are indebted to while being downright broke.
>>64215992>Venezuela is a statistical aberration in South AmericaEh, it's more like the logical conclusion. Eventually we'll all get there. Browness can't be fixed.
>>64211256All I care about is the videos of military hardware will be good. Also lots of videos of crying children being bombed. Very funny stuff.
>>64216028The logical conclusion in South America is Peru. Largely muttified population where the racial component of a post colonial state gets completely diluted into non-existence, massively corrupt and unstable but at the same time working entirely off its own inertia and a "nothing ever happens" population, economically active and thriving due to poor state regulation and dirt cheap labor but dysfunctional due to corruption and inefficiency. A country stuck in a limbo of always rising and always falling.
>>64212838>a Chinese state owned entity. So China has even less incentive to help Venezuela.Interesting, I wonder if Xi factored that in that if he's serious about re-annexing Taiwan he'll essentially be reliant on Western and Middle Eastern oil to do so since Russian oil rigs are slowly becoming an endangered species and that was pretty much their backup plan if the Malacca was to ever be blockaded, lol.
>>64214523Doesn't the United States?
>>64216161Venezuelan oil is an enigma. It's both difficult and time consuming to extract and is also the dirtiest, most sulfur contaminated, and lowest quality heavy brent on the planet. Refining it takes extra steps and time, and even with all this considered the quality variation per batch was record setting. The useful fraction of light oils/gases is very low and much of the rest can simply be called sludge barely fit for use as road asphalt, of which global industry needs little of because asphalt is the most recycled material on Earth.Involvement in Venezuelan oil production is more of a curiosity exploration, and secondarily a reserve tap for if all else fails. China doesn't give a shit about it. They're only there to have presence.
>>64216485The Guyana finds could prove to be much better which not only would mean American presence is mandatory to secure them from eastoid encroachment, it would spell ruin for Venezuela's fleeting extraction industry. A conflict will boil over one way or another.
>>64211256Test
>>64216446On paper there's 1.32 million active soldiers, who also either directly control or are friendly with 1000 F35s.
Invasion of Venezuela would mean committing to support a weak right-wing puppet while rallying the masses for whatever leftie anti-US leader would emerge. Level of insurgency would depend on amount of political suppression and the US would have an impossible balancing act of preventing insurgency, delivering "freedom", and making sure their unpopular puppet stays in power. China can easily meddle by bankrolling the leftie candidate and offering their belt-and-road bullshit.Tldr easy military win with lots of shitty political outcomes
>implying zoomers and millennials can fight in the jungles(lolUnlike 70 years ago good luck firebombing and napalming entire swathes of forest without riling up at least 40% of your populationThe PTSD would be far worse than those boomers who got rekt by Uncle Ho and friendsGlorified SWAT teams and doorkickers who call themselves operators would get mogged since they don't do LRRP stuff anymoreThere are also barely enough roads and bridges, good luck lugging around 30t-70t behemoths without them sinking in the mudBut yeah America will kill 800k-1M Joses but will lose more zoomers and millennials than Puccia did on Backmoot, half of them from malaria and venomous snake bites and half a million IED amputees
>>64211278>in order to reach brazil they would have to cross south asia firsthave you ever look at a map?
>>64211256>Should we spend a fraction of our defense budget finishing Russia off as a geopolitical military threat? With most of that money being invested in domestic US defense manufacturing? >Naw, lets make nice with Russia instead, and invade a dysfunctional Latin American shithole. Then spend the next decade hunting monkey fucking commie gorillas in the jungle >Russia will probably be arming said monkey fucking commie gorillas with weapons
>>64217064>Trump is forced to do a u-turn and double-down on support for Ukraine to save face after the Russians get caught arming Venezuelan insurgentsI would be satisfied with this outcome.
>>64216798There is already a government in exile that would swoop right in, call for elections and probably reform the government right away. The only issue would be the remnants of the Maduro government joining the militias in Colombia which are a resurrected and reinvigorated FARC thanks to Gustavo Petro being a weak bitch. But these also heavily depend on Venezuela harboring them.An ideal situation is the US doing the killing and a South American peace coalition with Colombia, Brazil and a few others lending troops for peace keeping for a few years ala Haiti
>>64211256Iraq was a bigger failure than Vietnam for the United States. Removing Saddam turned iraq into a ally for Iran.
>>64211256Venezuela just Trump distracting the public from the Epstein files. Just like Putin visit was.
>>64216090No, as an old enough beaner I can confidently say the logical conclusion is eventually becoming a failed, corrupt kleptocracy where nothing works. Basic services, healthcare, security, defense and even commerce more advanced than a basic barter system, all gone to the dogs. Even though browness doesn't help, the problem has deeper roots also mired in browness. Spaniards, like the greedy brown retards they are, set up extraction models with no real intention than to exploit the region which led to concentration of power, and more importantly infrastructure, into a few select ports. If you track both road and demographic maps of the region, the story is the same across the board: A web of tendrils extending from a single cancerous lump, generally the capital of the country in question, extending towards resource rich areas of the interior without no interconnection whatsoever. This simple factor created countries designed to fail, rife with deeply entrenched centralized systems, inefficient road and rail networks, political entrenchment of a quasi aristocratic elite around a country's capital, extremely poor use of the land, the concentration of the population around a single or pair of clusters, again, generally the capital, income inequality, etc etc. Brief periods of prosperity due to an uptick in the price of commodities is indicative of nothing. It's just cyclical Dutch disease because the revenue is never committed to fix the fundamental issues with each and every country in the region: We're all brown, corrupt and lazy shit(skins), just like our colonizers, our founding fathers after them and the brown med yuros that settled here after they were literally paid off to fuck off from their home countries. You can't polish a turd.
>>64217064Happenings in Venezuela affect us more than happenings in Ukraine. So yes, actually.
I'd be worried about our ability to do this back when we had a pussy Department of Defense, but now with a Department of War we're gonna kick ass like it's 1945 again.
I think were going to rape vuvuzela in the bootyhole so hard it wont even be funnyAnd then we leave and the non commies take over and everyone lives happily ever after
>>64215262>I don't think they're going toAnon, they don't think. Period. The average MAGA voter couldn't even tell you what "rule of law" means.
>>64217961the spanish were so greedy for resources they forgot to build a buc-ees at the halfway point to the silver mine and that's the reason you're poor 200 years later?Lots of places look like tendrils coming out of a cancerous node, it's called a city, many here are familiar with them and aren't thrilled that they extract taxes and take the coolest guns away from usthe western half of the united states follows the rapacious resource hungry model you describe, while the eastern half was much more traditionally settled. The western half is somehow richer though.I'd love to know your mind about Milei and Bukele and any other south american shit if you want to share.
>>64217857This. Everything Trump does is just to distract from the fact he's only two weeks away from being impeached and publicly executed.
>>64212370Then go outside and talk to people you retard. Read some Petr Kropotkin. Epstein has always been an obvious byproduct of capitalism and the state. The ruling class has come to a point where they can just get away with even pedophilia and conservatives are too deluded to understand putting someone else in charge doesn't change the system that enabled it in the first place
>>64218532https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavrentiy_Beria
>>64216907>fight in jungleswhy bother?just secure a few bases in the comfy areas and then do all the patrols with drones
>>64218591That's what the US thought in Vietnam.
>the peace president
>>64218463He's not entirely wrong. If you look at the colonial models of the Spanish and the Brits when they first came over to the new world, one of these groups was specifically trying to start their own thing away from the crown and self-sufficiency was seen as the thing to be. In New Spain and the rest of the Spanish colonies, that was not. The whole purpose of the colonies in Spain was to serve as a cash cow. There was no effort at development. That being said, over the last 200 years, Latin America has improved quite a lot, but it was by destroying the old structures left behind by the Spanish and just plagiarizing the fuck out of the US in many of the legal traditions that now exist in those countries. However the great irony is that the US is now devolving into a Latin-American style democracy.
>>64218596the us was thinking about drones in vietnam?
>>64218588Ignored the critique also extending to statist structures too. Retard
>>64212560It was still a few thousand too many, but the casualty ratios are probably the most lopsided of any major war before or since. Sometimes when thirdies seethe they'll post pictures of dead US soldiers but it's like bro, for every one of those pictures we have a dozen or more videos of your guys getting cut in half by an attack helicopter.
>>64211256I'm behind on Venezuela the fuck is happening?
>>64219172To sum up everything before this week: Maduro regime is relatively unpopular and unstable, Venezuela has been pulling some China shit trying to redefine their EEZ to include newly found oil reserves off of Guyana. They've done some light harassment with patrol boats and the like but nothing major yet. They're also trying to claim that the true land border contains some of Guyana as well if I recall correctly. The government there is likely at least complicit in allowing cartels to operate if not outright controlling them as well. The most recent election is widely believed to have been stolen by Maduro by pretty much everyone. They've also been trying to get closer with Russia and Iran, and have shown interest in buying and setting up production of Shahed style long range attack drones. That's pretty much everything that happened up until last week.The new developments are that a Navy task force consisting of a cruiser, 3 destroyers, an attack submarine, and Marine force aboard an Amphibious assault ship plus other supporting vessels was deployed off the coast, ostensibly to counter drug trafficking. The Maduro government has lost their shit about this and is claiming that it's 'bullying', a threat, etc. Few days ago they blow up a narco boat, killing 11 and destroying a shipment of drugs likely worth hundreds of millions. Maduro government does not claim that the US murdered innocents, they claim the video is an AI deepfake (lol) putting to rest any theory that they were falsely identified. If the US did just kill some random dudes they'd never stop seething about it. Today, Venezuelan F-16s buzz a Navy destroyer in the area as a show of force. It's not really a serious threat as Venezuela doesn't have any anti ship missiles or even guided bombs to launch from them.I think that's everything
>>64211444They couldn't assassinate kebab Saddam and they won't assassinate taco Saddam. They won't win the war either just like last time.
>>64218532Based.>>64218588>anon mentions the writings of Kropotkin, an anarchist>bring up Beria, the perverted sinister hand of Stalin>who literally repressed and murdered anarchists and similar dissidents>the former in turn consider the Soviet Union a model example on the failures of state socialism, deriding it as state capitalism and Stalinism as "red fascism"Knee-jerk reactions are the essence of non-thought.
>>64219202Saddam was hung to death. The US won both Iraq wars, it was with the retarded nation building shit that everything went wrong.
>>64219201>They're also trying to claim that the true land border contains some of Guyana as well if I recall correctly.>SomeThe area that the Venezuelan’s are claiming is like 70% of Guyana, if they had it their way what would be be left of Guyana couldn’t even be considered a rump state.
>>64218730>>64217961No, you are entirely wrong because of very patently obvious reasons. Extraction colonies were built in other places and succeeded, while settlements and whole new nations were raised and failed. Australia was a literal penal colony for the worthless of British society but prospered. African countries like Rhodesia and South Africa succeeded as colonies then collapsed when turned free. Every other European nation including France, Belgium, Sweden, the Netherlands and fucking Italy tried colonies meant for long term stay and nation building as a way to project power instead of resource extraction and all did worse than Spain. The difference is simply that Anglo colonies transfered their population with European values and mindsets over instead of trying to turn a bunch of feral niggers and Indios civilized over a few generations with a crash course in clean water and the word of god. The Africans have the opposite brain wiring to that required for long term nation building, they dont have a guilt based social contract like Europeans or a shame based social contract like Asians, they have a threat based one and cant even conceive of the flow of time the same way. Abbos are the same. Native American populations, whether north or meso or south, had a much higher potential and achieved organized civilization on their own, but they were still not ready and werent going to just catch up and become like Europeans by living with them, you cant remove the Indio from someone by just showing him how better things can be. He still believes the rich are simply doing magic things to make themselves rich by making him poor, because in his mind everything is still just shit lying around in the forest free for the taking, and they got it first.
>>64212294Peace through superior cheeseburgers
>>64219172Trump is trying to start a war in a pathetic attempt of getting out of trouble that he got himself into again.
>>64219201>>64219535Thanks. Although I predict nothing
Nothing happens.There is no war with vuvuzela
They weren’t even willing to shoot down a hostile jet buzzing a US Navy vessel, they showed their cards and their cards are shit
>>64223138The Commie Dictator Madurine will end his tale like G'ACKdaffi. Hiding in a sewer pipe, dragged out, beaten to death by Mayan clubs, and with all of this recorded from an overhead Mavic DJI.
Isnt wagner or some other russisn group working for venezuela?
>>64219535Biden completely failed to reach a diplomatic solution and gave sanctions relief for Maduro to just steal the election again anyway so I'm not sure what exactly you want him to do
>>64211256>Why do you think Vietnam managed to repell an invasion by America, China and defeat pol pot?> Because of Soviet support>Why do you think the Soviets couldn't defeat the mujahideen?>Because of Saudi and CIA supportI dread to think people can be so retarded as to actually believe this.
>>64212112So it won't be a Vietnam, it will be an Iraq or A-stan
>>64224446Not start a pointless war for no reason against a pissant country that's doing more harm to itself than anyone else?
>>64211256China is already destroying the American farming industry by not buying from us and buying up farmland. They’d 100% proxy war Venezuela to cripple us more.
>>64219535lmao now this is some fucking cope. >>64225394>Latin American country sucking Russian and Chinese cock >Hub for narco-trafficking>Highly probable that it is either a narco state or will become one >Destabilizing the entire region >Fucked American Oil and Gas companies out of billions We've buried clowns for less.
>>64225457you just described cuba, and yet...
>>64225462Cuba is utterly buckbroken, has no oil and is involved in minimal if any narco trafficking and are not threatening to take over a neighboring country with massive oil deposits.
>>64225457>Latin American country sucking Russian and Chinese cock Nigger, who gives a fuck, it's just a bunch of showmanship, they're not staging nukes and they don't have any power projection>Hub for narco-traffickingThat's be more concerning if there wasn't a hub 10 times our size directly on our border that would suddenly have all it's competition eliminated>Highly probable that it is either a narco state or will become one See above>destablizing the entire regionDo you not understand overthrowing the government causes more instability or are you just too retarded to understand cause and effect>Fucked American Oil and Gas companies out of billions Boo fucking hoo, go look at their market prices and you'll see they're all doing fine>>64225462Mexico's an even bigger hub for all that, but that retard only understands whatever ai shit he reads on facebook so don't expect him to be able to point out any of those 3 countries on a map.
>>64225474Mexico is on the list too. >b.. but I disagree with the policy!No one cares.
>>64225457>Destabilizing the entire region You know what would destabilize it more? A war, occupation and insurgency.
>>64225488Who said anything about a war and occupation? Go ahead and google "Gunboat Diplomacy", midwit.
>>64225472They are the ones running the things in Venezuela, they're the link between Moscow with Latin America and bridged the region with despotic shitholes like north korea or islamic countries like Iran. Cuba literally is the only Latin American country with a well established and operative arm of intelligence service influencing and promoting political movements in the region.Besides to be the main country to exploit minors for money (a lot of cuban "tourism" is just foreign going to fuck, minors included). The "foquismo" used by guerrillas in LA, that killed a lot of americans, was created and spread by Cuba and foreign trained in Cuba.If you downplay Cuba that just shows you complete ignorance about this region.
>>64225502>noo! ur just ignant! Didn't ask and don't care.
>>64225519>i must talk but i know nothing, fuck yeahamericanism 101
>>64225537>nooo! you cant just reject my premise! Just did
>>64225502Why not just attack Cuba if they're the ones running the show and serve as a bridge for Beijing and Moscow and are as big of a threat as you claim that they are then?
Does anyone else have gun-fatigue?
>>64217189>double-down on support for Ukraine to save face after the Russians get caught arming VenezuelaHis hand certainly would be forced if either Maduro or Trump chimp out over shitty crude oil or oil that isn't a pain in the ass to process. The first time however I'd argue his hand wasn't forced he just flipped on the Russia bros either because he was planning to betray them from the very start (which I even warned the ZiggerZisters and MAGAtards that was a very real possibility but they wanted to remain delusional) or General Zaluzhnyi and President Volodymyr both got a mail order flash drive filled with the actual damning Epstein files.Could be either, not that things would be all the different if a Democrat was in office.>>64225431>China is already destroying the American farming industry by not buying from us and buying up farmland. They’d 100% proxy war Venezuela to cripple us more.Say the Cold War 2.0 gets hot, what's stopping the US for ceasing and then auctioning said farmlands back to it's citizens (in an ideal world, they'll probably be given to Bill Gates or Private Equity firms for pennies). We could make all sorts of bullshit excuses and maybe a few good ones too and no one would bat an eye.Seems fair to me, fuck with the flow of TSMC's products and no more cheap beef and grain 4UChyna.>>64212480>china sure cares a lot about america invading countries in americaI'd be against it to unless MemeDuro decides to actually invade Guyana first then blowing shit up there is fair game, I'm no hypocrite. Same reason I personally think we should start re-arming Tibetan insurgents because the CCP also had no right to invade it and fuck Reagan and Clinton for just brushing that off like it was nothing.
