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>>64212407Airframe fatigue and deferred maintenance is now affecting even the Tu-160s. >During the large-scale missile and drone attack on Ukraine on the night of September 2–3, three Russian strategic bombers reportedly failed to launch their missiles due to technical problems.>According to Militarnyi, citing the Telegram channel Dossier Spy, the Tu-160 bomber Ivan Yarygin (tail number 04) could not fire its missiles because of a malfunction in the launch mechanism. Another Tu-160, Alexey Plokhov (tail number 16), was struck by lightning during the mission, damaging the cockpit glazing and forcing the crew to abort the flight and return to base.>A third aircraft, of an unspecified type, reportedly failed to take off from Engels Airbase. The cause of the malfunction remains unknown.>The failure of two bombers has been interpreted as a possible sign of the Russian defense industry’s difficulties in properly maintaining its strategic fleet. Analysts also suggest that intensive use and the exhaustion of critical components may contribute to such malfunctions.>https://united24media.com/latest-news/russian-strategic-tu-160-bombers-malfunction-fail-to-launch-missiles-during-massive-ukraine-strike-11366
What happens after one piece of the triad is gone? Because supposedly USA could also handle with second piece in form of those loud submarines with relative ease...
>>64212490Half the ICBMs probably don't even work because hypergolics only last for 10 years and chances are the money to swap out the fuel went to some guy's yacht
>>64212407not as good as it once was
>>64212407What BR?
>>64212407>Gopnik caps
>>64212407Either broken, burned, or in bunkers.
>>64212407>he laughed, calmly
>>64212523russian strategic bombers have the option to go back into battle without completing repairs to save you valuable silver lions.
>>64212420Are there any good sources on how reliable they were before 2022? I remember reading early on they were obscene hangar queens that made current day B-1s look fresh and easily maintained and preparing one for a mission took forever
>>64212714They're massive maintenance hogs and always have been
>"saar you are dhe tranny saar!!"
What happened this time?
>>64212837Their bombers keep turning into what looks like a cat throwing up a hairball
>>64212858>oh look, a pennyalternative:>my posture while i google "why does my neck always hurt?"
>>64212858NOOOOOOO Tu-22M! You're not supposed to eat the yellow now!
>>64212817First of all, I'm not transgendered. Second of all, even if I (or anyone) was, there's nothing wrong with that.
>>64212420>The failure of two bombers has been interpreted as a possible sign of the Russian defense industry’s difficulties in properly maintaining its strategic fleet>Analysts also suggest that intensive use and the exhaustion of critical components may contribute to such malfunctionsOperation Cobweb is in full swing.
>>64212905mr poodin, I don't feel so gud :[
>>64212407>ITT: /k/ calmly discusses the current state of the Russian strategic bomber fleetits fine and its currently having mercy not striking the last civil infrastructure keeping keev'indian culture from disintigrating into plastic-bag-shit chaos
>>64212817>>64212972is this what winning looks like?
>>64212972You really gonna seethe about a plane crash from 2019?
>>64212817>always blame others in own wrongdoingGet em zisters
>>64213001>the tranny flag curtains behind them
>>64212817my brown friend, this info is easy check by the fact that all of the ru aviation activity is tracked day and night and the amount of missiles launched isn't what it used to be
>>64212420>Another Tu-160, Alexey Plokhov (tail number 16), was struck by lightning during the mission, damaging the cockpit glazing and forcing the crew to abort the flight and return to base.Can you blame fatigue and maintenance for that?
>>64213109Crucifix mounted in the cockpit had fallen on to the floor.
>>64213095>recruits having such long feminine hair
>>64213113if they're flying without heresy protection then lightning is the least of their worries, imagine if they'd flown too close to the Kuznetsov
>>64212407Pilot, co-pilot. What do the two in back do? Navigator & Bombardier?
>>64213001>>64213095Huh. Who recorded this and why?
>>64213136Yeah, nav and wso
>>64213109>Can you blame fatigue and maintenance for that?Well, the maintenance crew has to fix the cockpit and possibly some electronics so it's their problem now.
>>64213109Pretty sure even Soviet aircraft are supposed to be able to launch missiles without being able to see the target out of the windshield.
>>64213158>Who recorded thisThe air defense cuckold.>and why?He had to measure the eggs.
>>64212505Dont russia use solid fuel icbms? I didn't think anyone would use liquid fuel icbms except maybe the norks.
>>64213401Sarmat is liquid fueled
>>64212858>>64212943I'd just like to point out that's not typical
>>64213450Wut. I see that I know absolutely nothing about ICBMs, since even the Titan ii is liquid fueled.
>>64213657You were close enough. The rest of their icbm's are solid fueled, or solid fueled first stage with optional liquid fueled upper stages depending on the payload.
>>64212972No? they weren’t meant to, we don’t care about you wasting your missiles on civvie targetsDid this post unrape the russian bomberforce and stop russia’s gasoline shortage?
>>64212407>ITT: /k/ calmly discusses the current state of the Russian strategic bomber fleetI commend your efforts OPthe premise was fun while it lasted
>>64213659A lot of their newer ones might be, but those are also the ones constantly failing in tests and it’s a tiny part of their inventory.The VAST majority of their missile stock is old ass liquid fueled missiles and most of those are probably corroded to shit by now
>>64212420>airframe fatigue"God damn FRAMERS, leaving rust everywhere, giving everyone tetanus, lowering the country's IQ... TFD."
>>64212972Did those missiles fired at keev help Russia advance this summer?
>>64212858>OY VEY A PENNY!
>>64213711hato lies...everyone knows udmh and nto are prefectly stable and non-corrosive, the missiles work fine
>>64213625Well, how is it untypical?
>>64213896I don't think the ass end of a backfire is supposed to go flying away on its own like that
>>64213123Cuz it's a woman
>>64213659Completely unrelated, but recently playing Kerbal Space program has finally revealed to me what are the differences between liquid and solid fuels(beyond them being liquid and solid ofc) and why would someone willingly use liquid fuel instead of solid fuels in a rocket when given the option.
>>64213896Well the front doesn't normally fall off.
>>64213981It's all about the payload imo. Do you play with the Real Fuels mod? Boil-off and ullage really add a fun dynamic to the game once you've got orbital mechanics down.
>>64213949Het. Indomitable will of Soviet plane fighting for motherland will keep it fly even if pilot is kill.
>>64213949tbf backfire is in the name
>>64213993Nah, my main gameplay changing mod is Kerbalism atm, as it's my first time playing. But if I run a RP-1 game later I'll look into real fuels then
>>64213959A woman with a penis?
>>64213095>West-2025I learned that ZAPAD means WEST because of Russian gay amateur porn. This is wild.
>>64213981I think you can't shut off a solid fuel rocket.
>>64216210You can, The Minuteman III opens ports in the nozzle to dump pressure and extinguish it. The thing you can't do is reignite them.Unless you're specifically talking Kerbal, in which case yeah Solid rockets will burn until they're out of fuel
>>64212420According to Militarnyi, citing the Telegram channel Dossier Spymind you the dossier spy channel was the one that started the rumors of the 14 shot down su 34s back when aviidka fell and the 5 a 50s so take it with a huge grain of uranium
>>64216238I was talking generally, haven't played kerbal in a while. That's cool though, I always wondered how they'd work around a fixed delta V with ICBMs when the actual distance to a possible target isn't known.
>>64213123>>64213959Lol copeThere is no way that penis is feminine
>>64216238You can stop and then reignite SRBs, you can also kinda stage them internally. It's just a matter of design.The reason we prefer liquid is the accuracy we can get with it, but that doesn't mean you cant hypothetically get something similar with a solid fuel.
>>64213959It's absolutely not a woman. In the video you can the see full benis (balls and penis). Dude absolutely fucked some tranny butt.
>>64216272>we prefer liquidEvery US ICBM, and SLBM, since Titan II has used solid fuel. So "we" do not.
>>64213959>Cuz it's a womanThere are more images. I haven't seen all of it and initially had my doubts, but that pretty dude has a very square man-ass when on all fours.
>>64216282Liquid is better in all aspects except for storage and launch prep time. Scientists and engineers want liquid, military brass wants solid.
>>64216297>storage and launch prep timeSo two of the three most important things for ballistic missiles. Good job confirming my point.
>>64216305you suck at precise language and the other anon is the literal type of autistic, let's see if you two can figure out where you're getting hung up with that protip.
>>64216274>some tranny buttI mean, in all likelihood it's just a crossdressing twink but I suppose we can't rule it out
>>64216326>Not an argumentHere (you) go
>>64216346I suppose I was being overly optimistic. let me spoonfeed you then. the literal autist anon was most recently engaged in a purely rocket physics context. (You) decided to point up a distinction that was not contextually relevant even if it were accurate in a pedantic way. the language (You) used did not include the additional context of "what do you mean by we- the military prefers solids." this caused literal autist anon to ??? since widespread industrial and aerospace applications do trend towards liquid fuels. you see?
>>64216333i don't understand the crossdressing memethis is just a male ass, yeah, it's androgenous, still doesn't have the attractive curves of a female ass.did all the retards that jerk it to shit like this just psyop themselves into enjoying faggot shit?i've had these people post extensive libraries of boypussy at me in an effort to convince me it's totally the femininity drawing them in and none of them actually emulated the curves or facial features of a female that activates my almonds.
>>64216394>Shit that's irrelevant because we're on /k/ WEAPONSCool story retard
>>64213981>why would someone want a higher ISP, relightable and throttleable engine in an application where having these traits is more important than being stored long-term???nasa is not going to be using it's lifting rockets as ICBM's, anon.
>>64216425It's escalation. Start with vanilla, than group sex and before they know it onto trannies and crossdressers. The sites like to mix in stuff with more basic fare.
>>64216430i'm another anon who made >>64216447, you might have a bit of context-blindness, you asked why anyone would prefer liquid while you were specifically talking about the application where liquid is (especially nowadays) highly favoured over solids>waaaah but /k/ is a military boardshouldn't have brought up KSP then dipshit.even then, i'll answer the question of why anyone would use a liquid 1st or later stage on an ICBM1st stage is something you do when you're the USSR during the cold war or a fledgeling shithole dictatorship trying to build threatening missiles, your solid rocket motor chemistry is too shitty and liquid is the only thing available to you with enough ISP to give you the needed range.in the case of 2nd or 3rd stages, it tends to be because of the better throttleability and higher precision you can generally achieve, especially with smaller liquid fueled rocket engines.
>>64216425Not all twink asses are created equally but at the end of the day fucking a dude no matter the window dressing is gay and it's a fetish like any other. The answer as to why it's popular is that a good amount of people are more gay than they'd like to admit.Funnily enough, the reverse is true of a good amount of gays.If it doesn't do anything for you you're probably just very straight
>>64212407Did they blow it up today?
>>64216455i started with vanilla and immediately moved on to monogamous monstergirl stuff and also tentacle rape, so idk.i've traversed the depths of degeneracy but(t) fucking another dude has never seemed appealing to me, no matter how hard artists try to draw them as girls, real life "traps" seem even more pathetic by comparison.
What the fuck is this thread devolving into
>>64216394I take exception you literally calling me a literal autist when it is the other anon who had such a heated reaction to my "Eggheads like liquid fuel; jarheads like solid fuel." Clearly my very neutral statement triggered him somehow.
>>64216518meta fetish discussion, apparently.just go with the flow, man. it's not like there's anything useful to add to this thread's actual topic at the moment.
>>64216479>Words words wordsImagine getting this mad that your third world shithole can't build modern ICBMs
>>64216282>Uh ACKCHUALLY we use SRBs as ballistic missilesDo you want a fucking medal retard, I implied the reason we prefer liquid for the reasons stated in the before posts. Are you autistic.We prefer liquid for anything that needs to maneuver in space to an orbit that matters, you can maneuver end impact point just by aiming an SRB even as it fired out, you can't do that when the end point is an orbit you're trying to reach.
>>64216543>What is MinutemanSomething your retard thirdworld country can't build LMAO
>>64216543>Are you autisticClearly he is. Apologize to me.
>>64216541>words words wordsyeah, this is an imageboard, did you forget the premise of this website?>noooo you can't use words and have conversations, you're being too pushy!calm down kiddo, it's only a conversation.>Imagine getting this mad that your third world shithole can't build modern ICBMs???????????????????????????????what?
>>64216564Not him; you know not replying is an option right?You don't have to shit out your cope all over the thread anon, you can take a break and go to the actual shitter>inb4 "I'm not coping"yeah you are.
>>64216554Trident is also a triple SRB. You are retarded, you don't seem to understand the point. If you don't need to regulate your thrust then of course you don't need liquid, but the discussion was why we use liquid rather than relightable SRBs.We still use "relightable" duel burn SRBs in long range antiair missiles to extend the high energy range.>>64216557Why
>>64216571i don't even know who you are exactly.what am i coping about? what statement did i make that was supposed to cover for my country's inferior ICBM's?
>>64216602>WhyBecause clearly the other anon is autistic and not me >>64216519
>>64213095another based and tradcon warrior of the muscovite race
>>64213123complete with a feminine penis no less
>>64216333I laugh how even all of the vatniks in the frames are staring at the crust buster bait
>>64216254Both https://t.me/dosye_shpiona and https://t.me/severnnyi are telegram channels that pretend to be Russian. Very high chance for news to be fake or exaggerated if it's sourced from them.
>>64213625It was a pretty hard impact, pilot flared way too late and probably came in too fast from the looks of it. Why would they land in these conditions? What's the equipment for IFR landings like in those aircraft?
>>64217070>>64217114>>64217147Man russian aviation and missile forces must be absolute dogshit if they can't knock out Ukraine's military production capabilities after three years of bombardment.
>>64213625There's a docco just come out celebrating this guys life if you happen to be interested, its called 'But Also John Clarke"
>>64212490Dumb ESL
>>64212407They lack engine replacements, which is the real long-term killer.
>>64217673>shows irrelevant image not relevant to discussion because it's literally in black and white????this is 2025
>>64213109I though aircraft were designed to take lighting hits no? Or is this just Soviet genius at work
>>64212943I like how the rear fuselage ends up landing on the front half in the end. Just adding insult to injury
>>64217673>We wuz kangs and shiet
>>64216425>did all the retards that jerk it to shit like this just psyop themselves into enjoying faggot shit?I mean, the biggest "homo go home"-posters tends to get exposted while knee-deep in boibussy, so you might be onto something
/k/ is unironically a wrong place to do that
>>64213109not really, that one is just god making his opinions known>all the zigger seethe ittjeez did another refinery blow up, they have been really uppity today
>>64217070>We managed to hit some real targets so stop caring about our warcrimes!mmmkay
Looks like it has been a bad week for BUK with losing a couple of them which causes problems for their air dominance. Overall their optempo seems unrealistic in the long run
>>64213158That twink is a GRU operative involved in invaluable operations for the motherland.
>>64226930>makes prominent Russian commander a sadistic psycho and twinkfuckerDid Kojima know?
>>64212490Ist becomes the nuclear biad.
>>64212490Don't get me wrong, every part of the triad is important, but the "strategic bomber" part of the triad has been an obsolete contingency for decades now. ICBMs offer first strike capability, submarine launched offers second strike capability, but nuclear arm bombers are just "a nice traditional thing to have". They have conventional utility but can no longer sneak through enemy defenses due to satellites and advanced radars. Even stealth bombers aren't completely invisible.Again, all parts of the triad are important, but if you absolutely had to cut one part of it - you'd choose strategic bombers every time.Now, saying all that, can you imagine what the current state of the Russian sub and ICBMs are? I think that's the real problem nobody is talking about because it's not obvious.
>>64227254the main advantage they have over others is they can deliver tactical weapons. You can really use an SLBM with 6 warheads for limited tactical strikes.
>>64227254They are also used to launch cruise missiles from relative safety, so each one Ukraine takes out is better for them.
>>64227277>>64227295I mentioned they have conventional capability. But that's not part of the Triad itself.
>>64227254>Now, saying all that, can you imagine what the current state of the Russian sub and ICBMs are?Yeah, about that...>>64212505>>64213711
>>64227254What I always hear for the defenss of strategic bombers is that theyre the only component of the nuclear triad that can be "called off" at least until they get into deployment range of their standoff munitions - wheras an ICBM thats been launched.. well theres no putting that toothpaste back in the tube (to my knowledge 'self destruct' or 'abort' functions for ballistic missiles are purely works of fiction)
>>64212943insane that one guy actually survived thisgenuinely insane
>>64228442Crew survivability priorities. They actually design their planes so that the pilot can survive. Tanks and IFV's, not so much.
>>64227309>conventional capabilityAnon I.. When I said "tactical strikes" I didn't mean 2000lb bomb I meant kiloton range tactical nuclear strikes
>>64228241If you're so far up the escalation ladder that you're considering using nukes, there is not going to be any "calling off".
>>64228442The plane always leave one surviver as a warning to others
>>64213001>>64213095What’s the source as I totally don’t want to watch that to not recreate that vid in vam, a vr sandbox game I don’t play >>64216493It might be something in the water, or ppl may see something in a fetish as something they simply can’t have
>>64228459Pilots are expensive, tankers are cheap. Also all the Russian pilots that are actually worth a damn (i.e. were trained before Russia's degradation had become too bad) are getting pretty old by now. By this point losing one experienced pilot hurts Russia more than losing an entire squadron of aircraft.
>>64213401As the other anon pointed out, they do.And solid fuel also goes bad after a few decades in the silo.
>>64216944Now you know why Africa and Russia are the AIDS capitals of the universe.
>>64216944Lmao was he in a cruising spot or is Russia just like this?
>>64226991>>makes prominent Russian commander a sadistic psycho and twinkfucker>Did Kojima know?I think Kojima mentioned learning from real life events is important for game design, wouldn't surprise me if he read some articles about dedovshchina and other stuff
>>64212985>Jelly-filled Doughnut
>>64213001>>64213095>these are isolated incidents))) filmed by hohlywood)))
>>64212858> The droop snoot> The snoot droops> They drooped the snoot
>>64234809>filenameopinion discarded
>>64234809I doubt it. Even the best maintained russian kit was trash and they had contracted out boomers to ukes. Thats a decade of 0 maintenance.
They should've gone the Chinese way and just kept making brand new Tu-16's with modern avionics and weapon systems.
>>64216944>small talk with a russian turns into harassment only 0.5 seconds laternothing new, nothing to see here
>>64235078>small talk with a russian turns into homosexual harassment only 0.5 seconds laterSometimes you just gotta add a little bit and it becomes so much funnier
>>64228732Well thats the idea, it provides an additional rung to said ladder in that you can stage bombers by your enemy's border much faster than you could, say, a submarine - or if you suspect (but cannot confirm) a nuclear attack, bombers can be airborne if confirmation is achieved, recalled if its just a false alarm (of which many nuclear capable powers have had). Its giving you the critical opportunity to brandish your stick without swinging to kill.
>>64212407I dunno if we can beat the last time
>>64212407They should convert all the planes that can still get off the ground into unmanned drone kamikaze weapons.
>>64216425What if I'm just a fag? What if there's no psyop
>>64234809>500that's not even enough for every silo or base even just the US alone has...
>>64216944
>>64212407>>64212407>ITT: /k/ calmly discusses the current state of the Russian strategic bomber fleetThe eggs are in the ass.>>64212490>What happens after one piece of the triad is gone?no change
>>64217139If they didn't take off during bad weather, then they'd just not fly for half of the year.
>>64216425>I don't understand why I'm not r fag! help me /k/lol lmaos
>>64224658It's like /p*l/ with bbc posting.
>>64221102In all of history, the Tu-22's tailgun will never, ever, not even once come CLOSE to shooting something down in self-defense.If radar fidelity, actuator speed, and automatic gun-laying ever advance enough and miniaturize enough that even Russia could afford (and figure out) how to rig it to the tail gun, it will be so far into the future that Russia will already be gone, and/or the credible threats will no longer involve a missile creeping up on its tail.
>>64213981I think liquid fuel is better for heavy payloads which is Russia’s specialty. Every missile just contains a fuck you load of warheads
>>64228442Really? I'd always just assumed it was fatal from, you know, the plane folding in half and turning into a fucking fireball.Credit where it's due I guess, they must've done something right at some point.
>>64216944Well now I know that I can go to Russia if I want to know what it feels like to be a woman fending off a guy that can't take a hint.Truly, Moscow is the shining beacon of traditional values.
>>64234939Ukraine is where most Soviet technology came from. >lets make some more TU160Nope, Ukraine.the list goes on and on.
>>64213959>vatniks thinks twink trannny is a valid womanLiterally every accusation is a confession.
>>64228442From memory the dude who survived was a navigator or ECM operator in the back and he was crippled in the crash so bearing in mind he has to live in Russia afterwords its up for debate if he was the lucky one. The crash footage is a perfect example for if a student pilot asks "why do I have to set my altimeter to the field altitude" since its pretty clear they thought the runway was a few hundred meters below where it was. >>64213959I'm obviously not going to post them because I'd get banned but in other photos you can clearly see his ballsack in full view below his bony little twink ass. I will say in your defense the Russian soldier is extremely feminine looking as well as wearing the customary schoolgirl outfit all Russian conscripts wear when being disciplined by NCOs
>>64237524Or /pol/ with tranny and pedo posting
>>64213959Even if it was, I don't think going from 'our allies exploit our mobiks for gay sex' to 'our allies exploit our mobiks for sex' is really much of an improvement.
Russia has lost more strategic bombers on the ground than in the air. That's a first.
>>64237883Weren't the Tu-160's made in Kazan?
>>64239872It was mostly assembled at KAPO from parts made at other locations, such as Samara, Kuyibishev, Moscow, Leningrad and so on. Ukraine was also a big factor here, such as:- making parts, components, machinery and even materials for the Tu-160 engines;- avionics and electronics were designed and partially made in Kyiv;- landing gear and hydraulics were handled by Yuzhmash from Dnipro;- composite and structural parts were made by the Kharkiv aviation plant;- MotorSich from Zaporizhzhia was also an important vendor for auxiliary turbine stuff and such;
>>64212407Is that plane big, or are Russians small?
>>64240601>KAPOI bet that these days, its just another Russian corporation with no young talent. National brain drain can be a real bitch.
>>64212407oh my god another Ukraine slide thread
>>64240805But of both, in it?
>>64213001>>64213095can you blame him? russian femboys are pretty fuckable.hell i'd fuck him.
>>64244236True and gay
>>64212714Su-27s need their engines rebuilt 3 times as often as an F-16. I can't imagine that anything else in their fleet is any better.
>>64213896Well, there are lots of these aircraft flying around Russia all the time, I just don't want people thinking they aren't safe.
>>64245889You're thinking of the RD-33s in early MiG-29s idk how it compares to anything else but it's very far removed from the nk-321 in tu-160s
>>64247532Russian turbine TBOs being terrible is an across the board issue
>>64241075It's not even external brain drain, but internal one. I.e. it's the inability of the soviet culture to walk past itself and start being normal, such as paying good money for relevant specialists. People literally choose to walk out from scientific positions, from industrial MIC and aerospace position and work as software developers, retail salesmen and even food delivery couriers, because those pay waaaaay more. The soviet culture dictates small salaries (especially at the start, hurr-durr work here for a decade and you'll finally get a less degenerate salary, but it will still be small), a top-down BDSM type of culture, working there for life and so on, kinda like the a more degenerate variant of classic Japanese corporate culture, just with less efficiency, quality and more buttsex, bullying and brown-nosing.So from every 100 naive and motivated youngsters who actually go into a specific company, most run away in horror in a couple of years at most, because it's impossible to live for those shitty salaries, since they are shitty even by russian standards. It's not even funny how bad it is. Imagine getting paid $300 per month in some of RomKosmos's (RU space agency) subsidiaries as an engineer or some machinist or welder, while you can go and deliver food for more than $500 per month.Thus you end up with the worse of the worse dregs of society staying there because they're just so passive, others are mostly the 50+ boomers who spent their whole life there, and 3.5 true believer retards who can't do anything because the system around them is so fucked.
>>64213401From what we know Russia's arsenal nowadays is mostly R-36M's, which are liquid fuelled. The replacement RS-28 Sarmats are also liquid fuelled. Even if they were solid fuelled they'd still be fucked because that can degrade as well
>>64213981Solid rockets can't really be throttled. They're either on or off and once they're on they don't stop until they run out of fuel. They're better off being used as first stage boosters and leave the moving around in space bit to the liquid ones
>>64212943very satisfying
>>64249112>People literally choose to walk out from scientific positions, from industrial MIC and aerospace position and work as software developers, retail salesmen and even food delivery couriers, because those pay waaaaay more. >The soviet culture dictates small salaries (especially at the start, hurr-durr work here for a decade and you'll finally get a less degenerate salary, but it will still be small)haha thank god we'd never make that same mistake in america
>>64249826I know only 3 people working for what could be considered mic companies and they seem to be pretty damn well off
>>64249112I was a smidge familiar with Japanese work culture, but holy fuck; Russian work culture sounds worse. It's like the veterans came back from Afghanistan and turned their workplaces into the same bullshit hazing cultures.
>>64249830How long have they worked there? Everyone I know who worked for a defense contractor quit for better pay and less bullshit elsewhere including myself. I'm retarded though and went to academia until the NSF got defunded earlier this year
>>64249826You don't. You don't understand just how big the gap is between MIC/aerospace and literally anything else is in russia. It's so bad that there are people in the government which promote the idea of banning food delivery services as a way to force people back into factories and such.
>>64249831>It's like the veterans came back from Afghanistan and turned their workplaces into the same bullshit hazing cultures.It was already present before that, they've just reinforced it a bit. And if you think the massive numbers of ex-soldiers getting back to civilian life are a problem, imagine for a moment how in most russian companies the internal security department is almost universally staffed (or at least headed) by ex-FSB and ex-police faggots, who can use their personal connections to run background checks and such, but at the same time they bring in a full blown layer of their industrial grade delusions (since all of them were brainwashed by regime propaganda back in the day) into the company and its practices. There are many ways why it is so fucked, both in terms of organizational stuff as the way how people are hired, overstaffed in many areas, while understaffed in others, why the salaries are small, why the efficiency it sometimes 5x worse than comparable work in Europe and so on. One could write multiple books about it, just because of how much context would be needed to explain every layer of degenerate shit.
>>64249898>One could write multiple books about it, just because of how much context would be needed to explain every layer of degenerate shit.This book merely touched on that point, and holy fucking shit, it was a damn war for Western companies to find and train competent Russians.
>>64249112>It's not even external brain drain, but internal one.>People literally choose to walk out from scientific positions, from industrial MIC and aerospace position and work as software developers, retail salesmen and even food delivery couriers, because those pay waaaaay moreThere's also another factor in that brain drain, namely the extraction industry siphoning every specialist worth a damn like crazy, russia is legit the poster child for "dutch disease"I read an article about russian agriculture troubles where a dude from a big farm bitched about their one quality mechanic walking out on them because petroneft or similar paid double
>>64249923Yeah, most foreign companies treat ex-USSR as any other international market, i.e. they move in, hire locals and trust them to better understand the local market and run things. This is a big no-no for most of ex-USSR due to local culture getting fucked by soviets. Stealing shit is the most basic issue, but also corruption in procurement, in sales, nepotism dialed up to 11 and other shit are just the tip of the iceberg. Just working bad in general is a big problem, because the soviet system fucked over people by forcing them to work and thus any work isn't viewed as a voluntary contract where you exchange labor for money but instead a kind of serfdom, something imposed on you by the government, even if you're working in private sector. The other side of this soviet shitfest coin is that yes, you were forced to work, often not in place of your choosing, but the control wasn't that serious, and the payment 90% of the time didn't change based on your results, so people were slacking off, dodging work, working like shit and so on. The USSR doesn't exist for 30+ years and yet this mentality is still strong in culture, partially because new people getting into work collectives would get this shit imposed on them by those were present before, so the youngsters would pick this up, despite no conditions for this existing anymore. Kinda like the famous monkey experiments. So all of the most successful examples of foreign business in russia either had to import the full blown management structure into the country and keep it there for decades (e.g. Ikea, McDonalds, etc), or get to know how to play the corruption game. If you just try to work with russia as with another country, your business will get fucked (e.g. Subway), because the locals will fuck up everything. The joke is "foreign master has to have a person with a cane standing, so that he would hit the local negro is he does something wrong", yes.
If anyone wants a taste of RU retardedness, I recommend "The Russian Job" about a Swedish CEO being hired to unfuck the Lada automaker.
>>64250004>The Russian JobThe 2018 documentary?
>>64233443Rape in the military has been a thing for a long time. Sexual violence can be an extension of violence. Some militaries has issues with internal violence which can often devolve into sexual violence. There are similar stories in Imperial Japan and some modern East Asian militaries.
>>64250013Yep
>>64250004The perfidious swede is at it again
>>64250004>a Swedish CEO being hired to unfuck the Lada automaker.I didn't watch the movie yet but i'm a connoisseur of commie shitboxes and people generally cannot even imagine the sheer scope of the "unfuck Lada" taskYou'd think it's just massive corruption, and it was due to Lada selling their cars 30% BELOW production cost to shady sellers connected to management causing massive losses but you don't expect a full blown mafia war over those deals, with shot up dealerships and car bombsAt least 500 people were killed till 2005 and it involved highlights like Brezovsky the CEO of biggest Lada dealer almost blown up twice, with attempts on his life stopping with the boss of the biggest Moscow gang getting blown up himself, a gigantic operation featuring 3000 policeman/interior troops locking down the entire factory, several journalists and persecutors killed, and ending in 2005 when a state company took it over despite not even having any shares but rather by bringing 300 policemen to a general meeting
>>64249980There's one of Varlam Shalamov's Gulag stories (essentially aesoph style fables based on his time in the gulags) that has lived rent free in my head for years. A sickly malnourished prisoner in Kolyma is told he had to fill a full work norm of digging up gold laden soil (5 cartloads) or he will be shot. He works has hard as he can pushing his weak body to its limits tearing muscles but at the end of the day he has only filled 4 cartloads. As he is kneeling in front of an open mass grave all he thinks is "I should have sat and rested all day". For all Solzhenitsyn's anti-communism his characters still have the "dignity of labour". In Ivan Denisovich his prisoners are all jocular tradesmen who take pride in their work and don't cut corners when being forced to build a steelmill but Shalamov goes further and says there can be no dignity in labour under the soviet system. In another story he has a communist true-believer realize this and it is such a soul shattering realization that he hangs himself without any rope from the Y in the a birch tree.
>>64252286>A sickly malnourished prisoner in Kolyma is told he had to fill a full work norm of digging up gold laden soil (5 cartloads) or he will be shot. He works has hard as he can pushing his weak body to its limits tearing muscles but at the end of the day he has only filled 4 cartloads. As he is kneeling in front of an open mass grave all he thinks is "I should have sat and rested all day".Fuck, now it will be stuck in my head as well>For all Solzhenitsyn's anti-communism his characters still have the "dignity of labour"Not completely though, one story that stuck with me, from The Gulag Archipelago i think, was about the work quota being so insane that some prisoners chose to be injured instead and him being shaken by seeing some guy sticking his arm into the fire and calmly holding it there, watching it burn enough to qualify as injured
>>64250764>ending in 2005 when a state company took it over despite not even having any shares but rather by bringing 300 policemen to a general meetingfucking hell, what a ride
>>64212407>/k/ calmly discussesCame for the laffs.
>>64213001I feel like his daughters are sluts.
>>64252402Yeah, when russians do a "hostile" takeover, they fucking mean it (and it involves a bunch of dudes with AK's more often than not)The stuff in the previous post is just scratching the surface, it almost reads like a black comedy of sorts if you dig into it, with gangs comprised of Afghan war vets, another of former sportsmen, obligatory chechens and several othersThat gigantic operation that locked up the entire factory collected enough evidence it took years to analyse it, yet it didn't do much because the whole police HQ mysteriously burned down with like 60 people insideOne western investor bailed when he realized that one business partner was a big time mobster and another got blown to bits in his officeWhen one journalist realized that it's not just mob but that the government officials are big time on it and started writing an article on it he was visited by a guy with a silenced pistol and shot multiple times in the head The police quickly solved the case though, it was a hobo that, as luck would have it, just OD'd on heroinA friend of the killed guy, and fellow journalist vowed to finish his work, told a New York Times reporter "They can't kill us all" and was promptly stabbed to death afterwards You could put that shit in the next GTA game and people would say it's a bit over the top, like the time a gang wanted to blow up a whole church during the burial of a gangster they killed 4 days before only for the assassin to kill himself instead because the bomb blew up prematurely
>>64252439Or maybe a son like solovyov's...
>>64252286>A sickly malnourished prisoner in Kolyma is told he had to fill a full work norm of digging up gold laden soil (5 cartloads) or he will be shot. He works has hard as he can pushing his weak body to its limits tearing muscles but at the end of the day he has only filled 4 cartloads. As he is kneeling in front of an open mass grave all he thinks is "I should have sat and rested all day".Stories like that irate me like nothing else. The dignity in (voluntary) labor comes not from the labor, but in taking control of your life. All he had to do was swing his shovel at a guard. Even if it would have made no difference. Fighting for your life is just like labor: it grants dignity, and thus personhood. For that one brief last moment he could have taken back control of his life. Even in Auschwitz they managed to shove some guards into the ovens. You're dead anyway, why not go down swinging? I'm ranting and repeating the same thing again and again because I simply can not wrap my head around willingly kneeling to be shot. I can understand physical death, but not this kind of moral death. I don't get it and that's why it frustrates me.
>urrent state of the Russian strategic bomber fleetWe'll soon be able to ask polaks about it that is if they will be able to speak.
>>64253777Communist countries were retarded everywhere, not in the USSR only. My mother's uncle got sent to dig the canal between the Danube and the Black Sea for 5 years. His crime? Well he was an architect in charge of building new commie blocks and he refused to sign the paperwork for several of them, because the groundwater layer was too high up in that area and the buildings would have collapsed within the next couple of years.Apparently that counted as being a counter-revolutionary saboteur
>>64253787why do you people still make posts like this as if it's like 2006 and the russian military's scary reputation in the west is still alive?your paper tiger is GONE, ivan, it's torn to shreds, it doesn't exist anymore, when you say stupid shit like this now people just laugh at your retarded ass instead.
>>64216297>except for storage and launch prep timeAnd often also safery, e.g. those soviet missiles which used fucked up toxic shit for fuel that they had to fill the missiles in full protective gear.
>>64252772>because the bomb blew up prematurelyIs that the time they've used a cellphone (which were super rate in russia at the time and only very rich people had them) as a remote detonator and the phone in question got like mistaken call or an SMS with some ad while the guy was heading to plant the bomb?
>>64253777>The dignity in (voluntary) labor comes not from the labor, but in taking control of your life.You have to understand that that is a very "western" way to look at working ethos. It doesn't work like that in Russia. They view suffering as something close to holiness. It's built into their greek-orthodox religion, and permiates the whole culture. Suffering will purify and sanctify you, and god will reward you for it (if not in this life, then in the next). It's really hard to overstate how strong this mentality is in Russia and slavic nations in general.My grandmother lived her whole life in this culture, and it ruled her whole existance. She was a workaholic who constantly complained and whined "woe, this is so painful, my life is suffering" and such, but never changed her ways. For her, work in itself was it's own goal and suffering only made it more glorified. It's really strange to watch from outside someone whip themselves so much over their own suffering, getting almost masochistic self-justification from it. So that they could later say "I have suffered much due to my work, but I still did the work!" with pride in their voice. Even when they have gained nothing from doing the work. It did not improve their lives. In Russia, you are supposeds to work yourself to death for the glory of the Czar and the empire - that is it's own reward. There is no "taking control of your own life" because such control is NOT ALLOWED. You are not allowed to improve your own condition by your own work, such improvement is also given to you by someone else above you. You are given your lot in life from someone above you, and you stick to it even if it kills you. You have no choice. Maybe that's why they like wh40k so much: The culture in Imperium of man is very similar.
>>64254317I'd like to further emphasize how much this kind of Russian/soviet-style world view does not allow self-improvement. Everything is handed to you by your rulers.If one guy in the village has an apple tree in his garden, the others say "He has things better than the rest of us! That's not fair!" and they will cut down the apple tree to bring him down to their level. The others will actively sabotage your attempts to improve your own lot in life.That's one of the reasons why russians seem so lethargic and won't try to improve their own condition. It's that same reason why there is trash everywhere. If you start cleaning up your part of the street, others will just start dumping their garbage on that area because "some fool will clean it up anyways, so I don't have to". So why even bother cleaning up?The end result is trash everywhere, and everyone will wallow in a garbage heap. Suffering, "like they should".
>>64254317>They view suffering as something close to holiness."god coped and told us to do the same" or something like that
>>64254317>There is no "taking control of your own life" because such control is NOT ALLOWEDto the point that fold saying try to bully and mock independent people, calling them "people of their own mind"
>>64254317>You are not allowed to improve your own condition by your own work, such improvement is also given to you by someone else above you. not only that, but also you doing so will piss off the others because they'll view that as you see yourself as better than others
>>64254035This is something that the russians will seethe and cope most about. They have lived with "Russia Stronk" meme in their brains their whole lives, and the reality that it was always a paper tiger is too painful to admit. They will rather grasp to the memories "When the whole Europe was afraid of the great Russian Bear!" and pretend that it's still the case.We in the west see this as a clownshow it is, and will keep enjoying the show with popcorn and cotton candy. Russiaposting about how mighty they are and how "four days to Berlin" is still very much a thing is an endless source of humor these days. It's like watching two drunk vatniks beat each other on the street to prove their manliness after they got caught sucking each others cocks. In the west, you have to pay entrance fee to see that shit.
>>64254453Bruh, the retard masses still parrot the "russian stronk" meme, even in the US political class (including the vice president himself), 4 years into this shitfest. People are unteachable faggots.
>>64254317>>64254333There is a good reason for that mentality, an unholy amalgamation of serfdom and communist influence, namely that the russian people legitimately didn't know anything other in their historyThey have barely enough years where being independent/ enterprising was beneficial for maybe one generation combined and those years were spread randomly over a fucking century on topCalling them serfs isn't even an insult, when russian peasants were living like tribal Africans from the peace corps pasta in the beginning of the 20th century>>64254348>to the point that fold saying try to bully and mock independent people, calling them "people of their own mind"That might also be a remnant from serfdom times, during Stolypins tenure as PM his reforms were opposed even by the peasants they were supposed to help, with the logic that "the tzar is far away, the next winter is around the corner and every peasant that leaves the community to do his own thing makes it weaker"
Any decent books about the Soviet economy/society in the 80s?
>>64254333At the beginning of the Ukraine war russian soldiers were just send to places at the front where they were supposed to hold out and then the same thing happened repeatedly: A small part of the soldiers wanted to dig a fox hole or bunker for safety, the rest of the soldiers called them stupid and just ridiculed them for doing something that stupid. Then when they were finished the rest of the soldiers violently took over the foxholes and bunkers of those that build them, only to realize there wasn't enough room for everyone of them, so the same group fought internally to kick out most of the overtaken foxholes and bunkers. In the end you had internal fights, groups going against each other and no one building any fortification.
>>64253777What?? Bite your master's hand just because he does nothing but abuse and mistreat you? Biting your master is something only a bad dog would do. You need to prove that you're a good boy by working extra hard even thought you know it won't change anything and that your master will never even notice and if it he did, he wouldn't care! If you don't that would mean you're not a good boy, and if you're not a good boy, what are you?
>>64254225>Is that the time they've used a cellphone (which were super rate in russia at the time and only very rich people had them) as a remote detonator and the phone in question got like mistaken call or an SMS with some ad while the guy was heading to plant the bomb?No cellphone but still pretty close, it was radio controlled and it was triggered by a car alarm remote control of one of the guests when the assassin was just 50 meters away from the church>imagine locking your car and instead of a beep a guy down the road just fucking detonates
>>64255655I remember a few times beepers (which appeared in russia during the 90s) and cellphones were used and there were fuck ups because of that.
>>64255770>>64255655Is this a real risk inherent to this kind of thing or were the russians just especially slapdash with how they implemented it?
>>64257842Embrace the power of "And".
>>64217991nta but does it add anything to "thank you for your time"
>>64257842this >>64258248It was a time where even teen gangs had some blocks of semtex on hand but actually rigging it together requires some expertise so there was a lot of fuckups and miraculous savesOne of the attempts on the previously mentioned Berezovsky was him coming home after a holiday just to find a bomb rigged to his front door surviving only because it was wired wrong
>>64228241Its partly that and its partly visible escalation. When an Ohio class is about to glass your country, there is no warning or visible signs of escalation. Given the bombers have a conventional function as well, thats enough to justify them. IMO the pointless part of the triad are the silo ICBMs, since the whole missile sponge theory is based on a lot of tenuous assumptions that don't really make sense when a guaranteed second strike SLBM capability exists, and they have no conventional function, unlike both the SSBNs and Bombers
