NO POLITICS ONLY DISCUSSION OF THE WEAPON USED TO STRIKE THIS BOAT
>>64212457Likely a drone or helicopter launched hellfire, you can see a white dot in the center of the camera before impact, which is the heat from the exhaust. Given that it's exactly centered the video of the hit is probably from the launching platform. It could be some other kind of small missile but it's definitely not anything larger. I saw some speculation it was a drone or loitering munition but I don't think those would give off the same thermal signature nor would they fly in that way.
>>64212457Airburst hellfire
>>64212465News reports says it was a drone strike, so probably a hellfire.
>>64212457Holy fucking based. This is how to deal with cartel fags
>>64212457Orange man…. good
>>64212457Pathetic. We need POV footage from a drone as it streaks in for the kill, the stunned faces of Narcofags about to learn that "Santa Muerta" was a demon all along, that last cry of "¡OH NEGRO!" before the fuse seals their fate as refried beaners.
>>64212457From the size of the explosion, it was probably both a P320 and Glock at once.
>>64212539Triggered by a Type 94.
>>64212457>tfw they do this to Democrats and illegals Holy fuck I'd make Trump the First American Emperor.
Oh it's this thread againLet me save everyone some time.>Missile is unknown>Boat is Narco boat explicitly designed for running drugs, there is 0% chance that it is not a narco boat due to a long list of reasons>Thirdies will claim that there is no proof that it was a Narco boat anyways>Chinks seething and desperately trying to frame this as US losing soft power>Everyone laughs at soft power faggot>Thirdies in general screeching that this is immoral and evil, likewise are laughed at>Orange man bad>No orange man good!>[This thread has been pruned or deleted]See you all in the next one.
>>64212590But how does Saddam fit into all of this?
>>64212590You forget lolberts implying domestic strikes on random guys in trucks are somehow the natural follow on from this
>>64212597He is in a compartment hidden below the drugs, with a ventilation shaft that allows him to inhale whatever humorous substance the one who makes the image chooses to use.
imagine a "war on drugs" were drug runners were killed on sight
>>642124574chan isn't what you think it is. Enjoy your vacation.
>>64212457>What did they use?AI not to guide the munition, but to fabricate the video.
>>64212600Always count on the Dudeweeds to promote any sort of degeneracy with "muh consent!!"
>>64212590It’s euros coping about soft power
>>64212615lmao what kinda cope is this
>>64212622Evidence?
>>64212636Euro cope stands out
>>64212646I accept your concession
>>64212670no one who uses that phrase ever wanted to argue in good faith in the first place.
>>64212457Hellfire or Griffin, maybe APKWS
>>64212590>Chinks seething and desperately trying to frame this as US losing soft powerWhat does anybody expect the Chinks would do to drug-running boats anyways. They'd probably shoot them. If caught running drugs into China, those guys would get executed.
>>64212457This is why America will survive and europe will not
>>64212457I want to blow it up with a V1.
>>64212699It's not really anything to do with the narcos specifically, they just start seething and trying to frame it as WEST FALLING IT'S OVER when the US military does literally anything of note.
>>64212550>American EmperorFaggots like you should hang from trees.
>>64212590>$100,000 in outboards
>>64212786Cope however you must
>>64212709Pulsejet powered munitions should make a comeback, they just sound neat. Or better yet, find a way to weaponize nulka. Imagine seeing footage of a narcoboat getting chased by a floating tube that spits out sparks and democracy.
>>64212518>before the fuse seals their fate as refried beaners.I approve of TOTAL NARCONIGGER DEATH as a beaner.
>>64212819Yes. The faster the boat the less the transit time. The less the transit time the less the probability of detection. You factor in the value of the cargo and its worth it.
>>64212518this, but also a quadcopter with 4k video to follow up with extreme closeups of men missing pieces struggling to swim, the water turning red and the bodies getting scavenged by sharks
>>64212457Almost certainly a Hellfire, the ones used against the Houthis in a similar strike were R variants.
>>64212887I mentioned the r models yesterday and somebody called me a retard :(
>>64212870its also for outrunning coast guard boats since normally they'd try and intercept and board them
>>64212907Why? Pretty sure it and the Lima are the only ones being produced currently.
>>64212457Odds of a SMO to Venezuela keep going up. Well optics and outcomes aside. It should produce a lot of fun videos of military hardware being used.
>>64212772Ironic, because a lot of their doomposting over the years had good points, but this is one of the best signs for the West in decades. We're finally treating serious problems with a serious response.
>>64212991Turns out you cant just DO THINGS
>>64212590My main question is does this amount to an extra judicial execution or have the cartels been designated terrorist organizations? Not like it really matters all that much, the US has straight up slap chopped Iranian generals which is a pretty big no no if you're not at war, but being the global hegemon acting against a pariah state has some advantages.
>>64212991>a serious responseLol. LMAO, even. Whacking low-level courier schmucks with a missile instead of arresting them is purely performative bullshit. It's not going to overly scare the average cartel guy because they operate under a "won't happen to me, YOLO" mindset, and if your goal is maximising bodycounts you'll do better with a discrete arrest, quick interrogation and a walk behind the shed. Might get you actionable intel, and won't warn the next bunch to be more careful.
>>64212550you are a retarded subhuman shill
>>64213027>have the cartels been designated terrorist organizations?Yes, this particular organization has been designated as such
>>64213031>Big>Flashy>Headline grabbingDonny boy gets what Donny boy wants. Donny boy is also a half senile obese octogenarian obsessed with self image so he doesn't make smart decisions very ofteb.
>>64212907theres clearly an explosion in this video, retardits okay to be retarded sometimes
>>64213041That'll keep congress from having a complete shit fit then.
>>64213031Yeah sorry, we've tried this academic approach for decades and it hasn't worked. Just blowing them up on sight is more time efficient and sends a stronger message. >>64213045The 87 IQ people who pilot cartel boats are also much more likely to pay attention to big, flashy headlines than to reports someone disappeared in the night. Explode enough of them and you'll get rid of almost everyone stupid enough to YOLO it
>>64213031Do you have any idea how much the contents of that boat were worth? The easiest way to harm a business is to kick them right in the profits, and cartels are businesses.Pro tip- you don't consider a boat with over $100,000 in outboard motors disposable unless the contents of the boat are enough to replace it several times over.
>>64212932Because Rs don't have an explosive charge and a fragmentation warhead... You're retarded.
>>64213046Maybe they had combustible material on board? Bet you didn't think of that smart guy.
>>64213045You have to go back. >>64213031>its performative One time is performative, the second is not.
>>64213046>>64213106>>64213114The R-9X is a modification of the AGM-114R Hellfire II, which has a multimission warhead, you stupid faggots. Holy shit, how is it even possible to be so confidently retarded?
>>64213154All I see is pedantic screeching from you, yet you don't post proof of these bold claims
>>64213164Kill yourself immediately.https://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/dam/lockheed-martin/mfc/pc/hellfire/23-05810-TM_AGMS-HELLFIRE-II-Product-Card-1.pdf
>>64213166No, I don't think I will
>>64213179Trust me, it's for your own good
>>64213179>>64213199Get a room already.
>>64213031>noooo u can't kill the squatamalan criminals>you have to arrest and interrogate them for intel!I've represented one of these guys after he got busted by the Coast Guard and dropped off in the Eastern District of Virginia. They do not pick geniuses to pilot these boats and they don't tell them shit other than where they are going and when they have to be there. They are paid literal pennies to transport tens of millions of dollars worth of product in hot rodded fishing boats. You're better off just blowing them up after listening in on their phone calls. The amount of time and effort it takes to interdict one of these things safely is just not worth it. Frankly, this should have been the initial policy.
>>64213091>Yeah sorry, we've tried this academic approach for decades We didn't, really. Also, the whole fucking point is that performative missile attacks like this ARE NOT CHANGING SHIT substantially.>The 87 IQ people who pilot cartel boats are also much more likely to pay attentionThey're not. That's the fucking point. That's why these kind of tactics fail every fucking time. The kind of schmucks doing these smuggling runs are the kind who are completely confident that they will never get caught.>>64213101Do you? It's not even a fucking rounding error in the big picture. The whole goddamn drug trade operates under the reality that a sizeable majority of the merchandise will never make it to the end customer, and that the rest that does make it through will still make them massive profits. The profit margin on this shit literally is THAT high.FFS, these people build dedicated SINGLE-USE semi-submersibles as smuggling plattforms. And even those things pay for themselves and another dozen more with a single succesful trip. $100k in outboard motors is fucking nothing. Forget several times over, if that boat had a decent load abord, it going through would've paid off the damn thing a hundred times over.>>64213138Second time STILL is. Wether you arrest the schmucks or blow them up doesn't really change anything of substance. They're beyond disposable. If you wanna do something of substance involving missiels and bombs with this shit, you're gonna need to start dropping JDAMs on cartel bosses instead of this useless showboating.
>>64213031>Might get you actionable intel>Implying the boat wasn't loaded by CIA glowies, called in as a narco boat by CIA glowies, had the route planned by CIA glowies, and had the crew selected by CIA glowiesI thought thirdies claimed that the CIA was basically an omnipotent entity capable of causing every single bad thing that ever happens to them? Is this not true if CIA does thing=good for the US? Only if CIA does thing=West has fallen ITS OVER?
>>64213213>performativeIs it? Look dude, I get it. You're big mad that Big Orange got (another) big W. But please, chill with the seethe.
>>64213206Illiterate retard detected, opinion discarded. I'm all for killing cartel fucks. I just want it done competently and with some fucking real impact instead of useless showboating like this. You want me to cheer? Start killing actually important fuckers.PS: What part of take behind the shed after interrogation did you fail to understand?
>>64213213If you think that some cartel middle manager didn't get deep fried because this boat got caught you are as retarded as you are delusional.A boat with $10,000,000 of merchandise of any kind is going to result in someone getting in deep shit regardless of if it's a cartel, Amazon, or any other absurdly wealthy company. Do you seriously think that the Cartel is going to say "Oh well it's ok, we didn't need the profit from that boat anyways because we're already wealthy! It's fine, go take a week off my hard working and well paid Cartel employees! I forgive you for this error!" when they kill their own for far, FAR less?
>>64213213>We didn't need that boatload of money anywaysOh so it's fine if we keep blowing them up then?
>>64213218It objectively is.Look dude, I get it, /k/ loves fireworks and gets big mad and throws around idiotic accussations any time someone points out that they might not actually be useful fireworks.But that doesn't make these particular fireworks any less useless for the purpose of actually getting shit done. Which is what I fuckign want to happen. So again, wake me up when they JDAM some actual cartel bosses. Then you'll have me join the cheerleaders.
>>64213221>hey guise I totally support this but I am going to be hyper-critical of it
>>64213213Found the usaf Intel soiboy who thinks he knows shit because he worked the floor at JIATF-S for a year. Fucking retard lmao.
>>64213227>It objectively is.How, specifically, is it performative?
>US Government just did a military strike on a cartel asset>and someone is blackpilling
>>64213222Are you genuinely this clueless? A LARGE MAJORITY OF SHIPMENTS get routinely intercepted. That's literally just the cost of business as far as the cartels are concerned. They can lose like 90% of the merchandise going North and the remaining 10% will still pay for their whole operation and make them a shitload of profit on top. And they'd literally be unable to function as a business if they started killing a middle manager every time a shipment is lost.
>>64213248Not seeing an argument against bombing them.
>>64213256Okay. Your illiterracy is noted.
>>64213248Must have lost out on a lot of fentanyl dosed products there Chang.>u mad
>>64213263>we intercept them anyway >the people we intercept know nothing Again, not seeing a reason not to bomb them.
>>64213272The guy you are arguing with is a low-level dipshit repeating buzzwords he's heard from federal LEOs. The fact is, smoking a boat of these degenerates saves the government time and money. Otherwise, it's sending a coast guard or navy ship a day or two away to interdict these guys, send some coasties up in a chopper to shoot out their engines, pick these fuckers up, and then deal with their whiney libshit lawyers once they bring them to the US for prosecution. Just blow them up and enjoy it while it lasts, narcos are ruthless they'll just start packing the boat with women and kids to prevent this.
>>64213248A larger majority of shipments will be intercepted if instead of wasting time, money, and risking the lives of coast guard crews and glowies we just blow them the fuck up. If they are already used to operating on "a large majority of shipments" being intercepted that means that pushing that interception rate up has a disproportionately large effect on their profits too, just so you know.Let me phrase it like this. Let's say we are playing a video game, and there is a boss that is 95% resistant to bullets.How much tougher is this enemy if you increase it's resistance from 95% to 98%?Pro tip- it does not take only 3% extra damage to kill.
>>64213300That only really works if the government continues to publish the videos, not like they're going to be livestreaming it. I suppose they could try rigging up some sort of starlink thing but I doubt they'd do it.
>>64213314They could hook up a camera to a lifebuoy with a GPS beacon and give the footage to an 'NGO'.
>>64213221>Illiterate retard detected, opinion discarded.I understood your point. It's just dumb.>I just want it done competentlyNo, you just want to bitch for the sake of bitching. If we are being objective the destruction of that boat caught on FLIR was done competently. >Start killing actually important fuckers.Kill them all. >PS: What part of take behind the shed after interrogation did you fail to understand?Two things. First, the part where you think we're executing randos we arrest for drug smuggling like its a movie. Second, the part where you think latino street urchins paid a fraction of your meager yearly income to smuggle cocaine into the US are going to give you actionable intel.
>>64212457It's just a fucking dinghy. The news made it sound like they sank a large cargo ship packed with drugs...
Just to be clear, thirdoids are saying>These boats are intercepted often enough that there was no point in destroying this one, the cartels simply plan around losing boatsAnd>Instead of blowing up this boat you should have captured the crew for actionable intelCan you see the error in your logic here? Let me explain as simply as I can.>Would YOU crew ships that you fully expect to be intercepted with anyone who knows even the tiniest shred of critical intel about your organization?
>>64213351These boats can carry hundreds of millions of dollars worth of cocaine
>>64212457I didn't watch this yet : Ihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLfBO0Xy8vM
>>64213326So the plan is to mount a camera with a bouyo to a narco boat, hope it survives being done striked and it's recoverable so they can upload the footage in hopes that stops the bombs. And you think this is a realistic counter to the US military?
>>64213351I have helpfully drawn you an image of a somewhat large dinghy alongside a cartel go-fast boat. Please observe that the cartel boat is significantly larger.Also note that cartel gofasts/banana boats are often custom made and vary in size greatly, but they are always large enough to carry a significant amount of cargo very quickly.
>>64213378I'm just proposing a devilish solution. The US could do anything it damn well pleases as long as there's political will.
>>64213383Another fun fact, they're often made with fiberglass hulls to reduce their radar signature. Whether or not this was ever effective is unknown to me. Maybe it works against CG cutters but I doubt it's fooling the surface radar of a Burke, the reason they deployed so many destroyers is probably just to have full radar coverage along the coast more than anything.
>>64213389I think it'd backfire, putting women on children on the boats wouldn't do anything to help them defend against the narcoterrorist label, they'd make it true in the most literal sense (for the record I already believe it to be appropriate given how they operate).
>>64213389You're coping and making up nonsense scenarios.
>>64212457If you look closely at the boatswain at 0:19 you can see him drop his P320
>>64212457There was a white guy abordThats why only blacks can do it because they are stealth color
>>64213359Not disagreeing with you but the poor uneducated zero opportunity fuckers who crew these missions likely wont even be aware this happened and there will always be someone in enough debt or desperate enough to take these jobs. These cartels operate in countries where selling RuneScape gold is a good job. If your option is get your balls cut off and shocked with a car battery until you bleed out because your in debt to the cartel or hop in the boat and have your debt cleared plus you make $500 which is probably like a years salary there for a successful trip i think the choice is easy even if its high risk. One sinking wont do shit but if word starts to get out that these are suicide missions then it may have some impact.
>>64213403They'd probably try it, the PR outcome depends on who gets to publish their perspective first.>>64213405I'm not the anon who initially suggested that they could put wimminchillums on the boats.
>>64213397>the reason they deployed so many destroyers is probably just to have full radar coverage along the coast more than anything4th fleet drug interdiction deployments SUCK. I joined the navy to capsize Iranian gunboats(boston whalers with a rusty pkm on the bow) with the wake from a ddg, not chase sudacas on their way to the everglades!
>>64213412>if word starts to get out that these are suicide missions then it may have some impact.You seriously think this is going to be the only one?
>>64213412>likely wont even be aware this happenedAnon it is literally international news. The "President" denounced it as le evul american imperialism, I think literally everyone who isn't a tribal living inna jungle knows it happened.Granted these are thirdies we're talking about here, so it's just as likely that they believe that it was AI/deepfake/whatever.
>>64213443I believe Maduro did actually claim it was AI generated, so much for the innocent fisherman theory. If the Navy fucked up and blew some random nobodies up they'd never stop chimping
>>64213416My bad you're just making up nonsense scenarios then.
>>64213222You're thinking of cartels like a movie character instead of a business. >>64213256I'm not in favor of the anon saying bombing them is bad - blowing them up is entirely fine. But he is entirely correct that cartels work with margins of shipments being intercepted or thwarted without immediately skinning someone alive to the tune of La cucaracha unless that person intentionally squealed to the feds or fucked up in a blatant way. Whoever was on that shipment is either in prison or blown to bits, and the former knows if they squeal in any way THEN they will be given the horror show treatment.We're thinking about it more like people and less like a business, same way a person looks at debt and goes "Aw shit", whereas a business or state happily deals with debt. Same shit here. If we took Escobar and imagine he lived and operated today, then he had 30 billion. This is trying to contextualize it for us non businesses, but if you imagine the 400 million cited below being directly lost from Escobar's net worth he'd have lost 1.3% on this venture. Doesn't mean the US shouldn't smoke these boats, or that it won't add up over time. All I am arguing is cartels don't start shitting and pissing and reeeeing if 1-2 shipments get caught. It's a business expense.>>64213351https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narco-submarineOne sub caught off the coast of Panama had 6 tons of cocaine or 200 million USD street value. Goes on to say a sub can cost 2 million to make but carry a street value of 400 million.
>>64212682Source?
I am so glad Trump did it, it has caused so much seething. I hope drug mules are dumb enough to do it weekly so I can see watch it every week and enjoy browns seeth
>>64213479We have the island jeets blessing
Night #2 of some anon seething about the strike
>>64213499>inb4 thread gets deleted >again
>>64213465>a sub can cost 2 million to make but carry a street value of 400 millionThose are the kind of margins that make Sharktank coom.
Have we took a step back and analyzed what this will do to our soft power?
cartels are ruining mom and pop drug labs. i'm glad trump is actually doing something about this.
>>64214136>ourFar, far, far, far less than threatening to invade not one but two US allies, acting like a simp for tsar monke and Kim fatass, irrationally throwing up tariffs and then flopping back and forth on them, crapping all over the defensive alliance that has existed for 80 years, and acting like a bunch of irrational revanchist isolationists. But you'd know that if you could function without a script chang.
>>64214136probably increase it, no one likes drug cartels
>>64214475Cope
>>64214136It'll stiffen our soft power greatly, intimidating latinas into compliance.
>>64214528>says retard shit>his retardation is called out>copefucking changs
>>64214544You said the retarded shit sandeep
>>64214136It completely undermined it. How will others respect the US and it's illegal killing of drug smugglers?
>>64214570You know trump was right if this zigger lover is against it.
>>64214570I now fully support blowing up boats in the Caribbean and I'm sure it's 100% legal
>>64212457>NO POLITICS ONLY DISCUSSION OF THE WEAPON USED TO STRIKE THIS BOATI originally provided the WebM for this clip: https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/64206729/A thread after mine was also deleted.Why have the tranny jannies been so hostile to narcos getting droned?
>>64214613Euros that can’t handle the bantz. If Trump does something good they get all uppity
>>64212457A cartel man wakes up with his wife and their pets. He says, "Honey, if you feed the dogs, I'll feed the fish."
>>64214570ah yes, the coherent ramblings of military intelligence jim cramer
>>64214570>illegal killing of drug smugglersOxymoron
Total Narcer Death
>>64214570boohoo nigger I don't care
>>64214676I think he posted copelord ironically due to his 100% acurrate wrong takes.
>>64214510Exactly. Drug cartels aren't happy fun time. Killing them off is a net benefit, which most people support.
The fuck is the leftoids obsession with soft power? One wumao said it and now everyone is parroting it. It hardly even applies here.
>>64214694It’s a coping mechanism.
>>64214694trolls smelled that there's blood in the water
>>64214570Why am I not surprised this faggot would be againts it?
>>64212457Europe couldn’t do this
>The CIA is deploying his 'anti' asset copelord for a topic unrelated to zigerialike clockwork
Anduril
>>64214570>it's Begone, esl monkey.
>>64212457that display of a MX-15
Omg Trump just bombed a boatload of—“Based”“You didn’t let me finish! A boatload of Venezuelan—“Incredibly based”“Nooo! They were drug dealers but—“Super based!”
>>64214570Yep, this settles it: Don made the right decision. Imagine being cursed to have the objectively wrong opinion about everything.
>>64212518I want F-18 gun runs that split the boats in halfBugs haven't been able to do anything kino yet
>>64214570I was on the fence about it, but seeing the response from the usual suspects like this guy, aden, bebo and friends, tipped the scale for me, it was the right decision.
This single strike has done more to protect Americans than every munition dropped in eurasia over the last 40 years combined.
>>64215414Was about to say, have these people never heard of the inverse Cramer lol
>>64215873Funny how actually doing a "War on Drugs" works rather than "Police State and ignoring Drug Runners" policy doesn't it?
>>64212786>>64213040
>>64216002Find narcos. Arrest narcos. Build Wallachian borderwall with narcos.
>>64213213>If you wanna do something of substance involving missiels and bombs with this shit, you're gonna need to start dropping JDAMs on cartel bosses instead of this useless showboating.Decapition strikes don't work with these groups because plenty of people are willing to risk death to be a mega-millionaire and they don't have rare skills like actual military generals do. You need to go after their grunts too.
>>64212457something expensive probably.now check out the dollar store version of that.
>>64216235Killing the wealth is probably the best second option. Cartel bosses live like Saudi princess with huge villas, sports cars, boats, private zoos and piles of cash, they recruit by promising their underlings a life of luxury and excitement. If being the boss goes from living the life to being holed up in a bunker hiding from drones 24/7 the incentives flip completely. These people arent Taliban, they dont think they'll go to heaven for living like shit and dying horribly.
>>64216032Musk fell out of favor a bit ago for being a ketamine addicted schizo lmao
>>64214694Soft power = giving infinity money to their pet NGOs in return for some vague, non-binding pinky promise that they'll help us out when the time comes (they never do)
>>64216570>fell out of favor You don't need favor to torture leftists.
>>64216648Nah, just to exist within a schizophrenic's fantasies
>>64216653>fantasy You lost. You faggots are living so far in delusion that you literally thought Trump died because the media told you so.
>>64216570He called out the dumb orange nigger for being a pedo and all the magat slurpers couldn’t handle the truth
>>64217197Then he defended importing infinite pajeet immigrants and protecting H1Bs which affect working class people a lot more than glowniggers trafficking kids for the jews. Throwing stones in glass houses.
