Airguns. Are they viable weapons?For discussion purposes a typical big bore airgun is similar to a blackpowder musket or suppressed subsonic 300 blackout in power with the capacity of a revolver:- 900 fps- 275 grain .45 cal cast lead hollow point which expands to 1" and penetrates 16" of ballistic gelatin- 6 round magazine- semiautomatic- 110db - 2 MOA at 50 meters
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>>64213038Yes, they are. Here in the US we generally don't pay too much attention to them because firearms are generally more affordable. That being said, countries that have banned firearms sometimes allow their citizens to own airguns for recreation and hunting.
>>64213038If you're British or something, yeah. That's basically a quiet .45 acp
>>64213038Yeah, a 5-6 shot .45 pistol in a rifle profile is inferior to real firearms, but it's still a credible weapon.
>>64213038Sure, just don't go around claiming its better than a firearm or that it's the perfect weapon for an apocalypse scenario or something
>>64213038are they viable? yesare they practical? noif you can use a real gun, just use it
They seem like a half decent option in a European WROL situation where you can't get a gun from a black market and that things are going to return to a sense of normalcy.
>>64213038You can't kill someone by shooting them with air, silly OP~
>>64214216oh yeah??*blows you*
So, the real question: do pneumatic slug throwers have any advantage over guns that use the air to fire arrows? Seems like you'd get better range, stability, and penetration, and since you only have a couple of shots worth of pressure, ammo capacity isn't a big deal.
>>64214322This, it seems that arrows utilise their energy and velocity better on target (they have great penetration because of their needle shape) and the bottleneck with Airguns is usually the low maximum velocity and total stored energy.IIRC these airbows have a really low autonomy and reloading is difficult since you need to slide your arrow all the way. I've been thinking about gas guns which have a much better autonomy due to the gas being stored as a liquid. Maybe they could be made with short barrels for half sized arrows?
>>64214322the arrows penetrate better due to their higher mass and the fact they can have sharp tips. They're less accurate, you have to manually load each shot, and the arrows are significantly more expensive than slugs.>and since you only have a couple of shots worth of pressureThere are airguns which are not as powerful as the ones that get like 3-4 shots on a tank, yet are still plenty powerful enough to be used as a weapon, yet are also repeaters. Which is preferable depends on your application. If I was hunting durr I'd rather have the arrow. If I was defending a shithole apartment from cultural enrichment I'd rather have a moderately powerful semiauto like an Edgun Leshiy2, or even a lever-action repeater.>>64214494>I've been thinking about gas guns which have a much better autonomy due to the gas being stored as a liquidThe problem with most of these is that the pressure is quite low. Compare CO2 and Nitrogen for example. You can get 6000 psi compressed nitrogen, far more powerful than any air gun. On the other hand, CO2, which is stored as a liquid like in paintball guns, maxes out at about 950 psi. The exact equilibrium pressure depends on temperature but it's about 950 psi at room temp.
>>64214322>Seems like you'd get better rangeI dunno about that, an arrow is quite high drag. A even a lowly .22LR is lethal to distances well beyond that of a warbow, and will travel much farther as well.
I've always been fascinated by pic related. It's amazing to me that Lewis and Clark took one of these with them in the 1800s >>64214517>If I was defending a shithole apartment from cultural enrichmentwhat in the racist dogwhistle is that supposed to mean, sir? DOWNVOTED
>>64214517>>64214494 you dont need to reload after everyshot there are special airguns for dart shooting with different capacity.
>>64214686>you dont need to reload after everyshotWith an air bow you certainly do.>there are special airguns for dart shooting with different capacity.Yes, I just said that. But the ones that people seem to be focusing on ITT, like the one OP posted, are single-shot manually loaded.
>>64214322It could be useful as a survival rifle since the "propellent" can be repressurized by a single man with the right equiptment, while the pellets are space efficient to store (and maybe even make more of if you find lead and have a hand mold). Give a man 500 pellets, a pressure pump, and an airgun and you got a pretty good survivalist.Stuff like >>64214634 was effective back in the early 1800s. Only problem is they werent efficent to manufacture in mass. Even though I think the austrians experimented a bit for their yagers back during the napoleonics.
>>64214697Many, maybe most tank-powered airguns are semi and some are FA.
>>64214934>maybe most tank-powered airguns are semiAre you talking about CO2 tanks or Air tanks?CO2 airguns are often semi, and sometimes FA. They are quite weak though, like >>64214517 explains.Those with *air* tanks are rarely semi. Most are manual-action repeaters. The powerful ones that people are talking about ITT as being similar to a pistol round, like the one OP posted, are NOT semi. Look at the pic: there's no magazine, and you can clearly see the bolt handle which needs to be operated for every shot. Stuff like that, the Zeus, the Airforce Texan, are all single-shots.
>>64215861Air tanks. CO2 is weak.Airforce has 12rnd rotary mags, Benjamin does 3 shot trays, Bintac has 6 rnd rotary mags and 20+ rnd trays. Most look like this.
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>>64215962>gee Timmy, TWO airtanks?
>>64215951>>64215962Yes, those are the mid-tier ones like I mentioned in >>64214517None of those are as powerful as a handgun, most of them are manual action. Most are manual-action repeaters like I just mentioned.
>>64213038Are you an American felon, or do you live in a restrictive country?
Did anyone ever get a decent caselman put together in the last decade?
>>64213038With those numbers? Heck yeah. It might be good to just have one anyway.
>>64214237"Momma... I just killed a man... put a bullet in his head..."
>>64216641This guy was coming up with something really cool using a 30 round chain magazine (think like a MG belt but encased in a stick magazine) but its seems to be stuck in development hell.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjy7QAuC92I
>>64213038Their viable but you've essentially getting pistol performance from a rifle sized package. That being said, they tend to sidestep a lot of laws and are way quieter than most guns.
>275 grain>900fps>45 calThe fuck? That’s 45 super territory. Is there a “recharging” period in between shots?
>>64219079no but a cylinder will only get you a hand full of shots and reloading those takes a lot longer
>>64213038Air guns have an insane amount of variety between them. If you're talking about the like ultra-expensive PCP air guns, yeah but you better keep a bicycle pump on you or extra canisters on you.Pellet guns like break barrels and pistols are more of a survival gun because even though they can cause similar damage to .22 weapons within 40 meters, it's better to have it as a gun for small game or as a Liberator type deal (kill your enemy with the weak gun and take their gun) rather than your main fighting weapon. Air guns like break barrels are pretty affordable, but if you're spending the money on PCP air guns you might as well just get a low end AR-15 or a 10/22 or something
anything irl like the Tihar?
IDK man, they're becoming more viable with the years. I wouldn't want to be shot with one, but if they're better than other ranged weapons? You have a dozen pistol-power shots MAX on the biggest guns, and while they cost basically nothing to shoot they're 2000+ dollars. Even worse are the ones that cost two monthly salaries and fire about 3 shots per tank, only to barely get to the power of a cheap/shitty bolt action. I wouldn't risk it in any combat situation where my attacker has a real gun. Even if you're in europe you can get a 200+ pound compound crossbow for 200 bucks, which is arguably even deadlier if you take the sweet investment of 10 minutes and a file to make a pile of bladed boltheads. I just don't see the potential unless you're a pest exterminator, or european and want something multishot. Maybe if the better models drop to something around 400 in the future, then it would be an economic ''hunting rifle'' alternative.>>64219143Wait, which breakbarrels are even remotely in .22 range? I know about the hatsan carnivore, i have one, but it sucks to prime when i haven't had my morning cofffee.
>>64219193I'll keep it real with you chief, the only reference I have is it goes straight through an entire crow longways. No I didn't do that intentionally Also Hatsan says that the .22 version of the Zada is around 900-1000 FPS so. There are others like .30 caliber break barrels that are like 800 FPS but carry more energy
>>64213038The .50 cal ones will kill a cape buffalo. So yea depending on what you want it for it'll get the job done.
I was recently thinking one of these might perform well with flechettes.
>>64219151https://www.airgundepot.com/seneca-aspen.htmlThe Seneca Aspen is the closest. Most manual air guns either use a lever, or you can hook up a bicycle pump to the air canister. For the Tikhar it is more like they just strapped the bicycle pump right to the handguard of the rifle which is cool but no professional company does this as far as I know. There are also some air venturi rifles that have the same general look toohttps://www.airventuri.com/av/featured-airgun-airsoft-brands/air-venturi/
>>64220055Neat
>>64213038I wish they were.I love the idea of a silenced weapon that you can make bullets for yourself by simply buying lead in bulk and melting it down to make bullets.
>>64223475I mean you could buy a musket for the bullet thing, but that's not awful quite
>>64223505>musketI mean for shtf scenario so I don't need anything else but lead.
>>64214237>How can I be homophobic, I BLEW HIS FUCKIN HEAD OFF
>>64223515And powder, but there are like 500 guides out there on how to make BP and it's the shit you can get from the ground or scavenge forAND IT'S LEGAL!
>>64213038Pre-ordered this fucker as soon as Jorg announced it was for sale. Should be here soon, so I'll test it for you homosexuals
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>>64213038Did you mean "how can I make my paintball gun lethal"?
>>64224232attach a bayonet
