Why don't we have beam rifles yet?
>>64222169Because your soul is weighed down by Earth's gravity!
>>64222169It's just a supersoaker
>>64222169Because the Minovsky Particle remains undetected by the Large Hadron Collider.
>>64222169Haven't we been experimenting with direct energy weapons for the past few decades?
>>64222826>Gundam Wing>Minovsky ParticlePick one.
>>64222169Who up beamin they rifle rn
The problem is that the particle beam, which has been so carefully focused, will repel itself and spread.
>>64222169Beam weapons ARE FUCKING LAME AND GAY
>>64222169>what do>make slow as fuck beam weapons >don't make gauss or lasersGundam is dum.
>>64223227Wing is fucking gay. That is my choice.
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>>64223250For me it's the /fit/ Gundam.
>>64222169Because kinetic weapons that use a projectile propelled by an explosive still offer a far more efficient ratio of stored energy relative to energy delivered on-target when compared to directed energy weapons.
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>>64223407You think you're clever but beam weapons are pretty much magic and btfo out conventional weapons. It's a Mighty Mouse vs Superman argument.
Wing is a high school drama between mentally insane, pereptually 8 year old mind friends in the backdrop of a future interstellar war.
>>64223952>its a tv show meant to appeal to and sell toys to pre-teen blysYes.
>>64223318Wing is awesome dude, take a look at these three video clips.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rodBIsXTfMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0z6OQhlRlYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMuuVn0zQ64
>>64222826No, because you are half right. In Gundams universe, they were able to capture the Muon, in ours, its not possible thus we can not create the containment lattice for a particle beam.
>>64224215Heero not wanting to go to birthday party > Wufei's sexist remarks
>>64223318Yeah but that's part of what makes it based
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/DT.ODA.ALLD.CD?locations=ZG
>>64223303They did have a rail gun for the Atlas Gundam. It shredded shit like it should.
>>64224215I love how Wufei's sexism is canonically overcompensation for him being a pussy ass bitch prior to the series.
>>64222169Why would beam weapons be rifled?
>>64229871uhh, toroidal collimation.
>>64223952>interstellarEverything in the story is around Earth. They don't leave the solar system, dum dum.
>>64224215The legendary 15 year old boomer
>>64229879That's actually a good point.
give the mechs a huge multi barrel autocannon instead
>>64222169imagine a self defense scenario in which someone puts two guns together to make a mega gun. It just wouldn't work
>>64222169Because Glocks and ARs are better
>>64223318>wing>implying all of gundam isn't
>>64223303IIRC masters were used as weapons in very early UC but fell off because they developed an anti later coating that basically nullified them for anything other than communication.
>>64233670>masters*Lasers, fuck
>>64232684Heavyarmshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kc8sIyfu0A
>>64233670>>64233673>laser coating This is just more "nuh uh" type shit huh. You could use pulsed lasers or straight up bomb pumped lasers but again Gundam is dum.
>>64236705Well it's some bullshittium coating that nullifies lasers but it's not like they don't use laser weapons, zeon famously used one at the end of the OYW.And why would they even spend resources on lasers when they have minovsky particle weapons already?
Because beams don't need the rifling.
>>64223318Wing isn't gay enough.Any time one of it's women is on screen the viewing experience drastically suffers
>>64238036Wasn't main boy cast made specifically to bring in as many women viewers into gundam?
>>64238041yeah all the characters are such blatant fujobait
>>64238041Yeah that's part of the good shit.What we need infinitely less is all the womaning.Honestly just remove the peace princess and you've probably done enough.Peace princesses make any series they're a part of worse
>>64230000I dont give a shit. Thats how little I careAnd it doesnt matter anyways.
>>64222169The military and scientific institutions of the world have been holding back the tech solely to screw over mechfag. That's not you, is it? You're not the one holding us back... Are you?
>>64223227Does this mean it's open season for radar and guided weapons in Wing?
>>64241053Remember some random thing about the Gundams in Wing being anti-radar, something about the ridiculously tough material they were made of.At the very least the Deathscythe has a bunch of bullshit it uses for stealth purposes, outright visual cloaking device when it gets upgraded.If thats the case it would still be on the table vs the 'conventional' mobile suits made of regular armor.
>>64223230imma chargin' my lazor
>>64223250IBO was shit, it had no idea what it even wanted to be.Shouldn't have been a Gundam show, should have just been a show about knight robots fighting the big AI monster machines.
>>64222169Because you touch yourself at night
>>64222169We (general public) may never legally get them considering what a large-scale fire hazard they'd be in the hands of reckless folks trying to ignore safety aspects. A gun going off by accident can be bad enough, but a beam rifle will fire off a beam and cause an explosion or kick-start a fire to an extreme degree. Or so I think.
>>64241252I think the lack of the massive fusion powered combat biped necessary for using said beam rifle would be the more immediate barrier to entry.But who knows, UC seemed to think you could just go out and buy a surplus MS if you had the want and the funds
>>64233670Are you talking about a anti-beam coating ala the hyaku shiki?Because that hardly ended beam weapons
>>64243209No, the anti beam coating is a other thing.Before the advent of mobile suits there was an anti-laser coating developed which made lasers impractical to use because you'd need a really big fucking laser so people switched to minovsky particle cannons
>>64242189I mean, why wouldn't you?A disarmed MS is basically a piece of construction machinery
>>64222169Undoubtedly would take an absolute fuckton of power and regardless we don't understand the physics to make one assuming it's even possible.
>>64243209NTA, they also had some kind of beam deflector tech in Gundam X, it seemed like some kind of shield generator that bounced beam weapons off but it was still vulnerable to missiles and guns.
>>64238075I knew this and hated them but couldn't vocalize it...Because they are peaceniks right? Like, they are the sort of idiots who will fuck over your own side by forcing it to give up military advantage or will end up in a pickup beaten so everyone can cheer how broken she ended up.
>>64243505I was thinking about it being like buying a surplus F-15 today when I should have been thinking of it like buying a surplus P-51 just after WW2 which was very much something you could do desu.It's odd how we only see the concept come up two times in UC (that I know of) and for both the context was an enthusiast/collector one.You think you'd see zakus and jims pop up more often being used as heavy equipment instead of just specifically civilian mobile workers like how tanks were repurposed after WW2
>>64245955Presumably the high-speed combat design of the Mobile Suits doesn't mesh well with using them as careful workers.Its not like Balls were great weapons, those were literally just worker machines with guns strapped to them because the Federation was playing catch-up and had more pilots than MS so had to make use of its manpower.The most you see is variants of guntanks and the zaku tanks (made out of torso of Zakus stuck on top of Zeons oversized tanks) used as recovery vehicles for MS on Earth.
>>64246033I can understand later stuff being too high performance or fuel hungry or whatever to be of much use but worker zakus do show up, though only being used by the zeeks during the war so you'd think some civilian use would be made of them.I guess it could be a smoke em if you got em thing for the zeek military though that wouldn't be practical for a user that didn't have the full support ecosystem for zakus already.
>>64223892We're talking about real life not your gay Chinese cartoons
>>64222816We bottle our sunshine instead of squirting it.
>>64246033Something about a stuck mecha getting recovered by a tracked vehicle greatly amuses me
>>64242189>But who knows, UC seemed to think you could just go out and buy a surplus MS if you had the want and the fundsThe UC setting's 2A must be craaaaazy. In Zeta Gundam, the Titans run up on Reccoa in an "old" Gelgoog and just assume she is a goofy harmless enthusiast, something to not be worried about. Mind you, at that point the gelgoog is only like 6 years old and is still a solid MS capable of outperforming the original RX-78-2 in most regards. Just a few years prior the federation was going head to head with Zeon remnants using Gelgoog Marines and having trouble, and at the same time Neo Zeon was utilizing refurbished Gelgoogs(Regelgu) as a mainline MS. This is like if the premier US armored corp rolled up on some rednecks with a modernized M60A1 or something and were just like "what a cool guy, owning a fun tank like that." Mind you, the Titans should have been extremely skeptical of any spacenoid using an old Zeon MS since they are supposed to be THE racist faction in the setting as well as their literal jobs being to hunt down and crush Zeon remnants People say the UC setting is supposed to be dystopian but honestly I'm just not seeing it
>>64223318>Wing is fucking gaytrue, but ounce for ounce it probably has some of the best designs of all gundam
>>64222169Wing = mass casualty monster/anti-base unit with unlimited beam rifle ammoHeavy Arms = anti-personnel with limited ammo that burns after a couple of minutesDeathscythe = stealth unit and close combat specialistShenlong = ???Sandrock = ???There's no point for the other two
>>64247763iirc both sandrock and shenlong are recycled designs originally intended for G gundam.That's why they're silly and nationality themed
>>64247763>There's no point for the other twoaura farming
>>64241053Chivalry was a big thing for OZ (being made up of royalty and aristocrats) and even more so for the Treize Faction. RADAR was already in use to find Mobile Suits and aircraft on Earth. Missile tech was basically dumb rockets though.
>>64247763Sandrock is the DEI gundam.Shenlong doesn't do anything because Wufei just sad because women exist.
>>64246263What was the maximum yield of a W-88?
>>64247763Shenlong has a flamethrower on its extendable arm, because its Chinese
>>64247688I was thinking about that scene exactly. Didn't they just find it out in the shoal or something?Does this mean abandoned MS are like the ducks at the pond?
>>64247763>>64247790The Sandrock was perfection.That's why the only upgrade it needed when remodled (apart from full space thrusters) was a beam uzi to give it a standard ranged weapon beyond its shoulder missiles and head vulcans.
>>64247763>with unlimited beam rifle ammoThe Wing actually had really limited ammo for its main gun, unlike the Wing Zero and its double combiner guns.
Why don't we have fin funnels yet
>>64248883Do you see dead people? No? Thats why.
>>64247763The Wing actually can only fire it's buster rifle 3 times before expending it's ammo. Theoretically it can reload the cannisters for more shots, the EW design has elements addressing this. The Shenlong iirc is supposed to be like a guerilla specialist unit, and over the course of the series it does a pretty good job of doing some serious damage to OZ facilities on top of being an excellent melee specialist unit. Thinking that it just looks goofy is kind of an error. The Sandrock is designed as a commander unit specifically. It's meant to keep Quatre safe first and foremost by having the strongest armor of the 5 Gundams and a really good command and control system built on board. It's also the only Gundam designed with an autopilot AI that is also meant to keep the pilot alive. When you consider that it was paired with the Maganac corp, who took ZERO casualties through the entirety of Gundam Wing's numerous crazy conflicts, it's a pretty sweet setup.
>>64222169machines required to generate high energy particle beams are very big and require a lot of power
>>64247688MS development really went into overdrive after the rx-78 got revealedzeon went from having basically no response to the gundam to churning out gundam equivalents like the gelgoog in two months and then the research never stopped. Got so crazy that machine designs that were only a few months old were considered obsolete by new shit that was coming out.Using that hobby hizack as an example, it was a modern unit when it came out in 0087 but by the time it shows up it's six years later and the tech is so far advanced
>>64249647Its just shonen powercreep shit, there's always got to be a new "MOTW" enemy to fight each episode and every series needs a new flashy gundam (or half-dozen nowdays), all these with some gimmicky bullshit.
>>64248855Yes, more or less>>64249647After thinking about this for awhile I think the reason for this is that during the OYW, MS development was "slower" because alot of MS design went into trying to build designs that could be mass produced for a large scale war. After the OYW, all of the conflicts are much smaller in scale and thus the production runs of the MS developed during that time were much smaller, along with more people working on a variety more of different MS to fill more and more niche roles Also I think the fast development of everything in general is probably from Tomino assuming that future tech will help the design process of things go much faster than today, but idk, at the same time there are plenty of MS that are obsolete as soon as they roll off the assembly line
>>64249679Well first and foremost the meta reason for all the different MS designs is so they could sell toysThe in universe reason is because of the thematic differences between zeon and the feds.Zeon, being an expy for Nazi Germany constantly shit out small batches of wonderweapon suits with no interoperability while the feds focused on just making a few designs that worked and then slapping upgrades on them.I would disagree that Ms development was slow in the OYW, both the feds and Zeke's shat out infinite variations of their suits in just over four months, zeon especially.After the only year war MS production plateaud, feds were using souped up GMs and the like and zeon was on the DL and just upgrading their gelgoogs. The real development only really started during Gryps when you would get stuff like the moveable frame and transforming MS.Ironically enough after Zeta everyone went back to using basic grunts with no gimmicks like the Jegan and Doga because they were cheaper
>>64249728Like you say alot of those designs shat out are due to decades of rl retcons in order to sell more model kits to otakus.Think of how many goddamn gundams are said to have existed during the OYW now compared to when MSG came out. Its pretty ridiculous.
>>64249748There are a couple of guys on YT that tried to count all of them but the answer is inconclusive because japs don't really have a concept of lore canon like westerners do and don't really give a fuck if something doesn't fit into the timeline
they already exist in impractical format, but no one smart enough to develop practical versions of them is stupid enough to give them to you violent tard monkeysthe real question is why are you and 'people' like you so retarded and evil that you believe you would be worthy of such tech. Blindness and random murder is already so prevalent and relatively incurable within your civilization and you really want easy access to beam weaponry?hahaperhaps when the yearly mortality rate approaches zero or reverses (resurrection era) the minimum bar of peasantry maturity will be high enough to be barely appropriate, but by then a civilization has hopefully entered a utopiaic vibe where the need for such destructive capacity is almost unheard of
>>64222169Charged particles tend to discharge into the air. It's more like a tesla coil than a directed nuclear blast.
>>64249728I should have clarified more that "relatively" speaking MS production took longer during the OYW. Also MA with gimmicks wasn't something that the gryps conflict really started. Feature rich MS became an in universe trend during the Neo Zeon war with Neo Zeon themselves developing a ton of feature bloat advanced MS in order to make up for their perceived numerical disadvantage compared to the federation. The Gryps conflict would mostly see the usage of moveable frame technology and the ironing out of transformable MS. You'd see marvelous machines like the Barzam come out of the conflict which ended up being used for decades after by the Federation and also would serve as a basis for the Jegan in many ways. Also before the gryps conflict you had the Titans test team working on TONS of components we'd see later enter mass production, so alot of this stuff was in the world for awhile. Really one of the most forward thinking designs of the gryps conflict was the Palace Athene which is sorta like the first feature rich beam gun bloat machine we'd see before they'd become very popular just months later in the Neo Zeon war. The CCA era MS are less focused on feature bloat and just overall performance upgrades. UC engage has a pretty clear showing of this by having a clip of Amuro in a Rick Dijeh getting taken advantage of by Char in the Sazabi, showing that new gen MS are just better than gryps era MS, even if they are suped up. CCA era MS also continue the trend of just generally bigger sized MS which would continue until miniaturized MS would come out like the F90. In Gundam F91 the Denan series would demonstrate just how much more superior miniaturized MS would be vs their older larger counterparts
>>64222169>Why don't we have beam rifles yet?>don't we>don't, we(you) don't, we do
>>64250122>UC engage has a pretty clear showing of this by having a clip of Amuro in a Rick Dijeh getting taken advantage of by Char in the SazabiShould have piloted the Dijeh SE-R (more like the Dijeh SE-X), would have slapped that faggot's mommy-complex ass
>>64249748It kills me that Johnny Ridden was invented to explain an ace pilot in a red zaku being in an inexplicable amount of places at the same time in UC side materialMan is literally store brand Char down to being The Crimson Lightning
>>64248855The Federation doesn't want you to know this, but all those abandoned MS just floating around in space are basically free, you can just take them. I have 12 at home.
>>64248883Because we don't have bits, gotta get bits first.
>>64249556UC addresses this by having the beam weapons for MS having the capacity to store near weaponized particles in the beam weapons magazine with the MS reactor provided just enough energy to push them over the edge. Once expended the weapon would have to be returned to the ship or base facility which had the much larger reactor capable of creating the near fused particles in order to be reloaded. This is why in the original series you never see Amuro fire the Gundam's beam rifle more than 8 times before he discards it and switches to another weapon.
>>64252012That was before they developed exchangeable energy magazines
>>64248863>Beam uzi for a muslim arab
>>64252502These niggas are the most OP redshirts, literally zero losses and their suits are more OP than the antagonists.
>>64247763Sandrock = Long term Guerilla WarfareShenLong = Terror attacks
>>64252342I am aware, hence why I started that last sentence with in the original series, and used Amuro as the example.
>>64222169We don't have good energy storage
>>64222169Chernobyl basically cucked nuclear progress so we never got around to making miniature nuclear reactors.
>>64250466I always forget the dijeh exists.Weird fucking dude with it's faux monoeye
>>64222187Too many gravitons...
>>64249679>After the OYW, all of the conflicts are much smaller in scaleHate this desu, the total war backdrop is a big part of 0079's appeal to me.Would probably be $$$ to make a whole series like that with later animation quality standards and animator wages though
Of the UC timeline I've watched CCA, 08 and UnicornWhat's the next best series I should watch? I want as much fighting as possible>>64222187Fpbp
>>64245904In the context of Wing, Relena isn't a complete idiot (the reborn Sanc Kingdom fielded a small army of modern mobile suits) it's that the antagonists are intentionally exacerbating conflicts for the purpose of taking power.
>>64259191Victory is based.
>>642591910079 is good shit if you don't mind some of the jank. Just make sure you watch the series instead of the compilation movies and watch it subbed.The dub is really awful and worse yet, has an entirely different SFX track full of generic sci fi SFX instead of the classic sunrise mecha sounds.A better dub might be out there now but I haven't seen it.
>>64258639I want a 12 episode 2D animated series of what MS Igloo 2 episodes 1 and 2 were about in a band of brothers style and yes, that includes the no gundams-part.And yes, i know im never getting it, but man can dream.I would be also fine with a series focusing on EFSF patrol squadron (A Magellan-class battleship and couple of Salamis-cruisers) having to fight off superior numbers with their Saberfishes BSG style.
>>64259191War in the Pocket and Stardust Memory are top tier.
>>64260053I'd love a twinned set of UC hard graph themed ovas ala flags/letters from iwo that are almost like in universe war movies.
>>64260024>has an entirely different SFX trackAnother problem with dubs is they change the music, a lot of which is fucking fantastic.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD4U7moUbuchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s052YWHL_yU>>64260084If mecha space combat is your thing Stardust Memory is the GOAT.
>>64260084>witpI think I skimmed it>stardust memoryOkay I'll give that a go, thanks>>64260110Yes I'm in the mood for more fighting less talking
>>64260092Slightly related, but that reminds me that I think the best format for doing a Battletech adaptation is as an in-universe multipart documentary series with all the mech combat being "historical footage."
>>64260675Check out gundam's ms era 0099 book. It's a faux-photo documentary after the OYW. There's a version in english too.
>>64260675>historicalFuck that The 4th worst calamity to befall Battletech was the overfocus on "historical" reports in lieu of novels and actually supporting players, yknow, PLAYING THE GAMENovels are forward-looking, Historicals and Era Reports are backward-looking, the feel is different and attracts different types of customer
>>64222169because the best weapon engineers lost.if Japan & Germany weren't held back we'd be colonizing space now with mechs and starships.Germany made HK with both hands tied behind their back.
>>64260110>Stardust Memory>>64260084>Stardust MemoryNow I remember watching some of this. I hated it because I felt the antics of Uraki, his specky pal, Nina and Monsha was pretty juvenile.Well I skipped everything but the fighting and plotting and it's a much better experience.I've caught up to where Op Stardust has just managed to wipe out the review. Pretty good fights so far.
>>64262923Plus it has Anavel "I hit women closed fist" Gato. Who pilots the best looking mobile armor any form of Zeon has ever fielded.
>>64253309Yeah, I came to post this. Sandrock is clearly intended for guerilla warfare campaigns. Long term out in the battlefield doing hit and run attacks.ShenLong is the Chinese style version of Deathscythe. Clearly intended for high intensity 1 on 1 combat.
>>64262969It also has Cima "I gas entire colonies" Garahau.
Plot aside, 0083 is everything I want from my mecha series.It looks so good in motion, and combat is solid as fuck, especially the cannon fodder stuff.
>>642630740083 is massively wasted potential.Imagine expending all that money and talent, creating some of the best Gundam combat put to film, for retarded zeekwank with unlikable characters.
>>64263088I dont think zeekwank was that bad in 0083, it was nowhere as bad as in Unicorn.And I advocate for TZD.I should download some BD rips and rewatch, the show is so screencappable with that animation quality.
>>64263049You mean "tricked into comitting a war crime then left to take the blame by her commanding officer who skipped off to Axis"The manga is better solely in that Cima survives in it.
>>64263074the animation is top tier. High budget, all hand-drawn, really good mechanical designers>>64263049She might be ruthless but I bet she'd be an amazing fuck.
>>64261795We're talking about a setting that spans 600 years with the most relevant portion of it covering 475 of those, if you want a series to introduce the broadstrokes of the setting to a larger audience it's the easiest method assuming you're not going to have hundreds of hours for an expansive narrative work.
>>64241252>>64242189Are beam weapons supposed to be lasers? We're getting pretty close to having hand held high-powered laser rifles.
>>64263386No, they are particle weapons
Macross is better.
>>64263606if you are gay
>>64263606Idol shit is a cancer.
>>64263611>>64263612Sorry but a morphing F-14 is way cooler than edgy kids.
>>64222169Im pretty sure the problem right now is a portable power source. I know us brits have a fuckin Laser Air Defence Weapon thats cheap as fuck to actually fire, but its only supposed to target drones and missiles so it doesnt actually need that much power. Whereas a beam rifle would need to be powerful enough to melt tank armour and have enough energy to fire more than once. Its the battery problem, same as why renewable energy isnt a great option right now cause of power storage. Also apparently the japanese have railguns that dont break their barrels immediately, so the arms race in that regard is gonna get funny.
>>64264373>us brits haveIirc it's a Raytheon weapon, Ahmed>its only supposed to target drones and missiles so it doesnt actually need that much power.There's also a big difference in disabling a drone's sensors, which is what Dragon Fire probably does, and killing it; and how long it takes to lase itThe Americans already deploy drone killer lasers on half a dozen Burkes and are working up to a laser that can vapourise drones in the blink of an eye, because with that power level it could also kill antiship missilesMight be a couple of decades away however>Its the battery problemIt's power generation. Even a Burke II doesn't have enough power to run that>the japanese have railguns that dont break their barrelsNahThey're probably just prototyping what the USN already did
>>64263606Sing a song of sixpence to the likes of ISIS, they'll still rape you and cut off your headAlbeit perhaps with a sappy love song as soundtrack>>64263351Lucas didn't need to tell us about the Old Republic or actually reveal the Clone Wars to make A New Hope workBegin with the 4th Succession War as God intended, save the rest for flashback sequences or prequels
>>64263238>I bet she'd be an amazing fuck>sinister bitch plotting galaxy warcrimes from a siberian tiger belt while letting her crew of beefcakes run around in ripped vestsIndeedI will assrape her bent over her own throne and tiger pelt in front of her own crew, and she will secretly love it
>>64263606
>>64263129>unicornWhy did you fucking remind me
>>64264766She's plotting to stop the terrorist warcrimes in secret accord with the Earth government, it might actually have worked if the retard in the Gundam didn't go full retard and then get cucked by the dumb bitch of a "love interest".Do none of you in the thread actually know the (shit) series you're talking about?
>>64249539Yeah, Sandrock was supposed to be the commander unit. Remember the ep, where nobody listens to him and go do their individual shit.Funny as heck.
>>64265054Quatre was a richboy qt white blonde arab with his own pocket terrorist corps
>>64222169I don't give a fuck about energy weapons or mechs, UNLESS it's a missile boat on legs. Real shit.
>>64264766>her crew of beefcakes run around in ripped vestsYou know every one of those dudes is in chastity>>64265054>Command/control specialist unit>Let's give it melee weaponsYou sure that's wise? Wouldn't long-range armament make more sense?>Okay fine, we'll give it one dinky little missile in each shoulder.
>>64265019>Do none of you in the thread actually know the (shit) series you're talking about?No that's on me, I was only up to Gato firing off the nuke "bazooka">She's plotting to stop the terrorist warcrimes in secret accord with the Earth governmentSpoiler alert, assholeNah fortunately I'm thick as pigshit and couldn't understand what you're saying. Her sudden betrayal was satisfying.Now I want to make sensual romantic ass love to her on her tiger skin pelt while her crew watch (for whom refreshments will be provided. RSVP.)I just realised one great thing about Stardust over the other UC series: none of that metaphysical newtype bullshit. I like it.Now none of you cunts tell me what happens next. I'm only up to the Solar System's powering up.
>>64264996I liked Unicorn, though I was disappointed that Mineva did not inherit her dad's height. Would have been funny(and hot)to see her towering over her love interest. Also Marida deserved better.
>>64265399It's really funny that 0083 gets the "ah, finally, no newtypes!" response while having the worst fucking main cast in the whole franchise.They really said okay, no newtypes, here's your cuckold story lol
>>64265517>I liked UnicornSo did I>though I was disappointed that Mineva did not inherit her dad's heightJaps are short so it's realistic but yeah>Also Marida deserved better>implied BDSM / snuff whore turned ZeiggerShe went out pretty well all said. Even got a few last words in.It was the Zeon Remnants who died like bitches after hiding and waiting for so long>>64265666>worst fucking main cast in the whole franchise.Begone Satan, that title belongs to SEED>here's your cuckold story lolI fully expected something like that from Nina, franklyAnd it's kind of like reverse Ms08 and stripped of sappy sentimentalityLucette bestgirl
>>64265687The best girl in Gundam is the unnammed momma briefly seen in the first episode of X while she's bitching out her kid for not knowing the difference between AP and HE anti-materiel ammunition.>>64265399>Now none of you cunts tell me what happens nextHoo boy, it's gonna be fun.
>>64265399>none of that metaphysical newtype bullshit. I like it.Eh, I like the Newtype stuff to a degree . It only really jumps the shark in ZZ but a lot of things get out of hand in ZZ in general.Even CCA isn't that bad about it.No idea about unicorn though, I never watched it nor have much desire to.It's not directed by Tomino is it? Did he do anything with it at all or was he fully stuck in making the spinoffs at that point.
>>64263627And unfortunately that's the where the coolness ends.Admitted cool as it is.I'll freely admit they do the transforming robot gimmick WAY better than Gundam ever did
>>64266302Well yeah, the transforming fighters is the whole point of Macross, while Gundams generally don't transform.Speaking of good mecha combat, Macross Plus is excellent. Watch the OVA then switch to the movie when the Sharon Apple concert happens. The movie cut a lot of the early content, which happens to include a lot of action scenes. However, it also re-animated the ending. Plot is unchanged but the animation in the movie ending is a lot better.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX-xKAPPGcIThe OG Macross has some pretty cool space battles too, though the really impressive episodes are few and far between.
>>64266292>I like the Newtype stuff to a degreeI don't mind the concept but i couldn’t give a toss for the obligatory Jap animistic spiritualityWhich is my only gripes with the endings of CCA and UnicornUnicorn is slick in general. The way the MC gets from place to place is cheesy in hindsight but on first watch I was giggling and on the edge of my seat. The combat is super cool and it's obvious from the number of different models shown that they really pushed the boat out and decided to turn the fanservice up to 11. There was a lot of military wank which dilutes the teen drama CONSIDERABLY and all sides sort of get their soapbox so it's a tad more nuanced. Once again the resolution of course was a bit heavy on the Newtype psycommuwhatthefuck but it's not quite as bad as>the Power Of Love and Amuro lifted Axis away from Earth*Or>Lyn Minmay's epic throating skills converted the enemy and saved all of humanityso I'll take it*a CCA edit that eliminates Quess and Hathaway and simply has Axis saved by Amuro and hundreds of Feddie suits would be absolute perfect
>>64266346>Gundams generally don't transformThere's quite a few more transforming MS that aren't MA than you'd expect if you're unfamiliar. MA get a free pass because they're supposed to be weird over the top gimmick monsters
>>64266411I'm aware. My point is that "transformation" is the literal point of Macross, while it's just a random side feature that some mobile suits and mobile armors have. And some of those in Gundam seem to have been inspired by Macross, like the Airmaster.
>>64266360I feel like the axis shock and the whole psychoframe and whatever was up with the T thing was a bit cheesy but I take it Tomino painted himself into a corner here with the whole "newtypes, despite their understanding aren't saving humanity and really aren't that transcendent, but may in fact be making things worse" angle he had going so he wanted a "hope springs eternal" wrap up.As trilogies go, classic UC is kind of a mess and CCA was certainly a way to give it some kind of finality
>>64266432No bones about the inspiration. I'm pretty sure even Zeta was just (badly) aping macross in that regard.I've never heard of airmaster as I frequently forget X to my own detriment. It definitely does the looking like an airplane thing a lot better than most MS.That one that turns into a beamrotor helicopter in Victory is pretty sick too but that might just be my bias talking as I like beam rotors
>>64266460Shit wrong image
>>64266448>T thingIs a piece of psycoframe which explains how Chan got Force Aim skillz and Force Ghosted a bit instead of dying like every other poor bitch on the field. Now THAT'S painting into a corner except Tomino might not even have noticed it:>all it takes to develop battlefield-significant latent psy talent is brief exposure to manufactured psycommu material, not Cybernewtype brainwashing Japs are huge animists and spiritualists despite being practically agnostic in ordinary life so from Tomino to Miyazaki to Shinkai, anime always has a bit of that in it. Anime also grapples with nihilism in a clumsy way while trying to incorporate bang bang pew pew and teenage puppy love drama, so they have a slew of disparate themes and often struggle to pull it together>>64266142>The best girl in Gundam isAtra Mixta, cause sometimes all you need is a tradwife to have babies withokay I've finished Stardust Memoryplot is great, characters mehGato's kinda based NGLending was cute>three weeks from now I will be harvesting my cropsbut he really should have just shot the bitch
>>64266489Man I completely forgot all of that. Too focused on the boys of the hour and their robots I suppose.
>>64266142WRONG the best gundam girl I clearly Fa Yuiri
>>64266360Unicorn had god tier animation and design work but anything related to Audrey or Banager is dogshit.Not even going into the newtype magic bullshit that happens at the end but Banager is a whiny little bitch who unlike all the other gundam protags never changes or grows, he just moralfags harder untill he wins.Take the torrington battle, if some chick in a mobile armour was destroying a city full of civilians, do you think that any previous MC would hesitate to pull the trigger? NO, of that was Amuro or Kamille in the unicorn she would have been dead meat so fucking fast
>>64223318Kys faggot
>>64266697>never changes or grows, he just moralfags harder untill he winsGod, he's one of THOSE.Is he the warning shot kid or was that the fag from sneed?
>>64267330Kira is similar to Banager except he's more hypocritical abouth his beliefs and people lick his balls for it while admittedly Banager does get shit on a lot
>>64267344Alright. Cpuld be worse I supposeBut does he suffer and get humbled?Where on the suffering and humbling scale is he from Judau to Kamille?
>>64263627Gerwalk is so silly.Very charming looking
>>64266697>Banager is a whiny little bitch who unlike all the other gundam protagsI felt he was par for the course. Typical shonen protag dramatics.IBO's Orga and Mikazuki actually felt more real compared to the protags in say SEED and even Amuro>fuck feddie idealism and Erf and the souls weighed down by gravity and the greater good, I WANNA LIVE>he just moralfags harder untill he winsHmGotta check his kill score>if some chick in a mobile armour was destroying a city full of civilians, do you think that any previous MC would hesitate to pull the trigger? NO, of that was Amuro or Kamille in the unicorn she would have been dead meat so fucking fastThis is true however even Amuro tried to disable Quess rather than slot herAnd iirc Kamille Bidan essentially emo'd so hard that WAR IS LE BAD?! that he literally vegetated
>>64222169You can buy a handheld laser that can cut through plywood.
>>64269407>IBO's Orga and Mikazuki actually felt more realThey literally just bumblefuck around pointlessly until the powers that be get annoyed by them and wipe them out. Gundam bats 1000 for people wanting "gundam but like... serious!" getting tricked into watching meaningless garbage when the stuff with space psychics have always been the better series.
>>64269407>And iirc Kamille Bidan essentially emo'd so hard that WAR IS LE BAD?! that he literally vegetatedAre you retarded?The Man from Jupiter gave him a random newtype brainrape as he died (from Kamille intentionally killing him).
>>64269767>shonen newtype moralfagging>semi adult political machinationsWhich way, anime man?IBO gives a glimpse of the political, underworld and strategic military manoeuvring that goes on behind the scenes of the bang bang pew pew, the stuff on which revolutions and nations are built. It looks boring but Orga was doing a lot of alliance building, basically. It just didn't work out his way, although notably he shattered the status quo world order so hard that he posthumously achieved his objectives.Usually the politics seen in Gundam is more of the "secret weapon!" and "colony drop!" types. There is less of this sort of thing, but that doesn't mean they were just screwing around.
>>64270018>IBO gives a glimpse Every series since ZETA is inundated by glowing behind the scenes scheming though
>>64270018People are so scared of psychics in their scifi that they skip all the good ones and run over to the 6/10 series instead.
>>64269895With a suika bar, no less!
>>64264764Lucas wasn't working with a setting that contained multiple factions participating in multiple simultaneous wars.>>64271877Psychics usually wind up as plot tumors in sci-fi and Newtypes in particular get a massive amount of wank both in-universe and among the fandom despite being quite shit.
>Beam rifleWhat benefit would light have from spinning
>>64270221Yes but like I said, mostly revolving around secret weapons. Gundam usually sees factions plotting around the use of these weapons. Their clashes tend to focus on the use of these weapons. Partly because the greater aims of the organisations are already clear-cut, Zeon vs Federation.IBO was somewhat unique in that we see significant plotting explicitly on the manipulation of alliances, legislation, and public reputation.>>64271877Psychic themes in SF is like steampunk or electricity in fantasy, it eventually grows to crowd out everything else.
>>64272179>>64272287Their shows are still all the best ones. It's not about the newtypes, it's about the ones with them clearly being a cut above the endless AMV fodder that is the rest of the franchise. I mean 0083 and IBO? Cmon man, those series sucked ass. The endings are jokes. You could convince me easily that they wrote them wrongly on purpose, as a funny prank on the audience.
>>64272472>0083 and IBO are assThank you for advertising your dogshit opinion
>>64272287>mostly revolving around secret weapons.This is absolutely true. Nearly every Gundam title has at least one super special prototype Gundam, often more than one. Even when the Gundams are revealed to be serial production models the main characters tend to have unique ones, or customs. For example in Gundam X most of the Gundams the protagonists use (X, Airmaster, Leopard) are revealed in the plot to have been production models, yet only one of each appears in the show. And even then there is a tendency for the main cast's mobile suits to get upgraded as a series progresses.
