What’s causing this surge in big wig European companies to make long comp guns?
>>64225997Well you see they just churn out varying bullshit and convince normies they need it or theyll be outgunned and die. They go from micros to macros and back and forth. Soon we'll return to glawk 19 sized guns then again to micros then again to giant comped 6" barrels
>>64225997Ben blowhard and the several generations of con artist comp shooters before him who have absolutely no business in self defense, combat or law enforcement shooting training have driven the consumer market in a retard direction. Welcome to retard world. Thanks Ben, you gave the gun world the equivalent of aids.
>>64226006>>64226009Lol it's true though. People carrying 2011s are legitimately retarded.
>>64225997I think it's just the "I want to have the best thing" phenomenon driven by social media. Kind of like people buying stiff sports cars or huge trucks when they don't do anything related to them irl.I don't think too many are retarded to carry them but the original shadow maybe, kind of, sort of fell into the "combat pistol with competition pedigree" category.I am guessing everyone is going back to the Hellcat and Shield for carry now.Also this target shit is taking it a step too far, Shadow was maybe fine, but everyone is going to go back to the Ruger MK4 for target.
>>64226034You’ve got cops blowing huge amounts of taxpayer money on this shit now too.
>>64226109Well to be fair, one out of 18 rounds shot by cops actually hit their target
>>64225997These guns aren't marketed towards the average shooter who buys a carry gun and never shoots it. These steel-frame, hammer-fired, match-trigger, long-slide guns are being marketed towards gun enthusiasts who have too many guns collecting dust but want a few more.Is it unnecessary? Maybe, but you can buy one of these long-slide handguns and live out your inner Agent 47 fantasies.
>>64225997Arent those new Steyrs just Arex Alphas and Zero 2s?
>>64226109i have heard from a cop from nevada that they tried sti/stacato and they had some slide break problems and dumped the guns for glock or some other striker pistoli cant belive us marshals use 2011s as a standard gun its insane how boomer minded some gun guys are
>>64225997ngl im starting to think g19 form factor is retarded anywayfor range and open carry a big gun is fineif you are actually carrying every single day youd buy a hellcat or p365what the fuck is g19 form factor for? conceal carry but you get 4 more rounds and slightly softer shooting but you will only carry it when you know you are about to get into some shit and never daily (without being spotted)?a snub nose revolver pocket carry + comp gun would be most practical. you get range and open carry use and you dont need to draw from your cc
>>64226453Early STIs were awful. Thankfully they had a lot of beta testers to improve their product from awful to mediocre. Now they can compete with nu-Kimber.
>the surgewat? are you retarded or just sensationalizing your thread for extra engagement?
Fuck CZ for discontinuing all their unique rifles so they could crank out more John Wick tacticool slop.
longgat make boolet more shootier> also better sight radius
>>64226652they're boomer lead owned, btw what did they make before?
>>64225997Steyr discontinuing their M9 line for this Sig-cosmetics-over-an-Arex-CZ99 bullshit is insane.Fuck em
Honestly at least theyre making something people want to take out and shoot instead of marketing it as the next gen of combat pistols. Will I buy one when I already have a nice 92? No but theyre still nice
>>64226349Yeah, they will be even made by Arex under Steyr brand
>>64225997Europeans are stupid
>>64227214If we're so stupid then why do we make better guns than you yanks?
>>64227312>we
>>64227321Whiter than you Gonzales
>>64227131Fucking based, Arex makes good shit
>>64227312>European rifles replaced with AR derivatives
>>64225997>porting's simple and relatively cheapPistol calibers are inefficient. May as well make mechanical use of excess gas, if only to reduce perceived recoil with full slide length(s). It's a value proposition in a market becoming as uninspired and boring as contemporary car design. Old Goats like Glock resting on their laurels while charging less than competitively featured same old shit compound this.
>all this seething about 2011s unprompted you love to see it
>>64226485I guess if you don't want to buy a full size AND subcompact, or you're in a state like mine where you only get 15 rounds
>>64230887Colorado huh? Next year they’re banning all suppressors.
>>64227322Is that why euros haven't designed their own guns in 50 years?
>>64226328>Is it unnecessary?Well the obvious answer is yes, HOWEVER thankfully we live in a country founded on the principle of rights rather than necessity so we can buy all sorts of impractical shit or very niche things.
>>64225997IPSC standard division is very popular, hence why euro companies make 6'' guns.
>>64226652Does CZ even still make CZ75 with all the safety features?
>>64231557>Well the obvious answer is yesLiberal lies! Clearly, we need to carry two of these in a shoulder holster. lol
>>64225997Most people who buy handguns don't carry them. They use them for target shooting and nightstand duty.The "duty pistol" ethos (compact but not too compact, max stupid manual of farms) isn't really a fit for civilians, who mostly benefit from subcompacts and hammer fired guns
>>64226009>Ben blowhard and the several generations of con artist comp shooters before him who have absolutely no business in self defense, combat or law enforcement shooting training have driven the consumer market in a retard directionQRD?
>>64225997>Steyr brand the Arex Rex 2>still keep that ugly toylike hammerCome the fuck on
>>64231846Is that why full size pistols sit on shelves while compacts and microcompacts sell like crazy?
>>64226453>its insane how boomer minded some gun guys areit's the ig effect, they want to look cool
>>64233947I mean, most people want a gun that will fit in their pocket, not on their duty belt.
>>64233415Mad that he can't hit the range as often as he'd like. So in impotent range the guy rattles off the first names he can remember, mostly comp shooters. Competition shooters really do know what they're talking about though. We shoot more in a month than most guys shoot in their life.
>>64231486Nobody is saying that Europeans that emigrated to USA couldn't design good guns.
