Never understood the hatred for airsoft on here.Captcha: AGN J0Y
>>64228152just cause it's toys for teenagers, it's kindof just embarrassing to be in your late 20s or older doing it still so it's frowned apon, plus we have a toy board.
It would be good as a training aid for force-on-force, but the tactics tend to be overaggressive compared to actual shootouts so its utility there is limited.
People here hate airsoft because they hate people who roleplay as tacticool operators, and because gun owners truly believe they themselves are ACTUALLY tacticool.
>>64228152Airsoft has declined severely since covid, but at its peak in the early 2010s there was distinct airsofter personality type that polluted gun discussion all over the internet with a bunch of misinfo borne of them playing with their replicas.
The guns themselves are cool until years later you realize wow is spent all than money on plastic crap I could have bought real guns or a car.The people who airsoft are insufferable faggots or assholes.
>>64228152 Because if you join the military and do actual infantry shit you realize how gay it is
>>64228203>Because if you join the military and do actual infantry shit you realize how gay it isWhich one, exactly, you are referring to here?
>>64228190>>64228203Point in case
>>64228152Few people hate the sport; they just hate when you post about it on the wrong board. You have a board for extreme sports, and you have a board for toys. Those don't belong on the weapons board.>>64228195>Airsoft has declined severely since covidAirsoft and paintball have been declining since speedball/speedsoft and the push to make them official sports in arenas. Some people just want to milsim and LARP in the outdoors, so the push to have these people in small arenas instead, where they need META gear, is slowly killing the fun.
>>64228222Both are gay.>>64228253What was your argument? Airsoft is just larping and it feels gay. Military training is also gay larping but you at least get paid for it.
>>64228290lets not kid ourselves, paintball has been dead for a decade. airsoft only persists because you can get a gun that looks like an actual (sometimes impossible to have in real life) gun to shoot your buddy with.
>>64228152Airsoft is fucking expensive lmao, just get a 16 in AR for $500 on PSA
>>64228152becuse it doesn't actually simulate live fire. if we could use sim paint rounds like the militray it would be based
>>64228290>compshits kill everything funWhat a surprise
>>64228203more like you realize how gay the military is. You do jack shit most of the time and the rest of the time you have fun by ruining your joints. Shooting is the least of what you do in the military
>>64228444>compshits kill everything fun>What a surpriseLet me clarify, the existence of competitions wasn't the problem. The fact that people having fun in the woods kept getting the cops called on them and everyone was forcing the players to only be able to play in matches was the problem.
>>64228164What about NERF? That's for children aged 8+ and actually looks like toys.
>>64228444Indeed. Tryhards ruin everything.Granted, on the other end of the Airsoft autism spectrum, you have the ultra-cringe MilSim West type LARPers. And because it’s based on the honor system, there’s tons of cheating shitbirds on both sides of the aisle
>>64228152I don't, I wouldn't have half the real guns I do had I not been an airsoft kiddie once upon a time. It's a good gateway drug to scary assault rifles
>>64228623>MilSim West type LARPersWhat's wrong with MSW?
>>64228152airsoft belongs on >>>/toy/ as they are not weapons but toys
>>64228642>t. 20 something neverserved who lives with his mom but has $5000 in plastic toy guns and various army man costumes including literal night vision goggles for his kids sport with toys
>>64228340No it literally is just getting paid for gay larping lmaoo. At least it’s useful if you find yourself uh… fuck I should’ve gone to the private sector
>>64228178>but the tactics tend to be overaggressive compared to actual shootouts so its utility there is limitedWatched this video some time ago of "Special Forces graduate plays airsoft" or some such and he's popping dudes left and right with no regard for anything. Utterly absurdist shit compared to actual war footage
i use airsoft to make sure my carrier isnt set up retarded, plus to bond with my little brother. Its a good way to ensure nothing on the belt kit is bouncing or sliding, and my mag pouches are easily accessable and not interfering with shouldering the rifle and works with different heights of cover. It also serves as a good reminder that my cardio is no longer what it was in high school. Airsoft does jack shit for practicing aiming down sights or having realisitc engagement distances or engagement decisions. Its a necessary step in the nerf guns to real guns pipeline, but the grown men who linger at this step and claim their weekends on the field make them a tier 1 0per8t0r are cringey as hell
>>64228152Airsoft is fine, it's not /k/ and doesn't belong here.
OP, the problem is people behave VERY differently when death is on the line and people around you are dying. In airsoft if you have a 75% chance of capturing an objective and 25% of getting hit (dying), this is a good bet and everyone would go for it. In real life the vast majority of guys wont move up an inch if there is 1 in 100 chance of being shot. Therefore the tactics and strategy you learn in airsoft and paintball are largely useless in combat because it removes the human element of "I REALLY DONT WANT TO DIE" which can be quite overwhelming I hear.
Being a neverserved and a neverairsofted, but your average sunday shooting buddy, I guess a kid who is used to run and move fast with a fake AR and tactical gear could take me rather easily with a real one.
>>64228152If there was a way to play the same milsim larper game with real guns without killing each other /k/ would have weekly matches and tournaments.
>>64228687In Yurop at least some IPSC shooters train with airsoft, because it's cheap and you can get the moving and shooting and stage reading down like that
>>6422869890% of /k/ does not have guns.
>>64228152I would like airsoft if the people who play it weren't such pretentious faggots
>>64228152Airsoft is fun. Generally as long as the majority of people you are playing with aren't taking the field days too seriously it can be great time.
>>64228462Nerf goes full circle where it's actually somewhat fun to do because it's so childish that that's practically the point. It's so unserious that it's fun to pretend to be serious about it.Airsoft takes itself too seriously, the hobby is full of teenagers and teenagers are cancer.Fuck, I feel like I'm part of KND typing that...
>>64228164fpbp and southpark airsoft is a bit cancerous because it dverts kids from their first real air rifle or 22 and straight into tactilarp poncing>>64228178>It would be good as a training aidNo. Twigs are not cover
>>64228832You just have to run it like military exercises ie. you have a referee running around and telling you you died if you mistake concealment for cover
It's LARP and I mean actual LARP and you need friends for it to be actually fun, to set your own rules rather than rely on obese That Guy seething that you don't 1:1 reenact his fetishistic military fantasies. Most arguments ITT fall apart once you realise this place is nofriends territory and actual friends would probably mock you for your gay nigger anime patches.It's also absolute peak outdoors entertainment once you ditch the gay military autofellatio operator nonsense and skip straight to like a Stalker or post-apoc larp. Now in actual world this >>64228290. Most dudes nowadays would rather do like a lazer tag for an hour because airsoft is expensive, time consuming, increasingly centralized, safe and shitty. Also all good spots in my vicinity were bought out and razed by flippers to build shitty cardboard apartment complexes.
>>64228865>Most arguments ITT fall apart once you realise this place is nofriends territory and actual friends would probably mock you for your gay nigger anime patches.I do have friends but I only went paintballing with them once
https://youtu.be/AOvhO9Ki0UwI agree anon, I adamantly believe CQB is pretty well simulated by airsoft, minus stuff like shooting through walls and breaching. You don't see that in this video anyways as that's not always in the cards.
>>64228152Its most defnitely gay for adults. It is what it is >/toy/
>>64228885>, I adamantly believe CQB is pretty well simulated by airsoftYeah?
>>64228840I don't want to run arount like a dick though I'm not 14 and tarded anymore and you need to get a 22 and learn to shoot
>>64228152its usually (visibly) done by people who think their plastic bb shooter is no different than the real thingis it truly terrible? no, its honestly perfectly fineare the yt comps of guys going "nuh uh, you didn't hit me!!!!!" & "i am the most super cereal marine to ever marine" absolutely retarded? does the pope shit in the woods?you are not a "gwot veteran who knocked doors", you are a 15 year old who's parents are addicted to prescription drugs, get the fuck off of hereits also very annoying to see airshit get recommended in shopping & media when i'm trying to find actual gun related stuffno, i don't want to buy a plastic muzzle break, and no, i don't want to learn how to takedown a glorified nerf blaster, i want the real thing because i'm not a god damn 12 year old
>>64228892Well, I mean, where I live there's a national defence organization that uses airsoft for force on force training because it's cheap and you can do it pretty much anywhere. It's rather different from just learning to shoot, I used to go to their courses where they did drill with real firearms too
>>64228152Expensive enough to make you question why you shouldn't just buy a real gun.
>no fun allowed the thread
>>64228152Idk i use GBBs for training in the back yard. They're kinda great for that.
>>64228152I enjoy both guns and airsoft, as do the majority of airsofters at my local field, but this board is for firearms only. Airsoft discussion is for >>>/xs/
>>64228885It's not, because airsoft lacks the fundamental need for self preservation. CQB tactics are very different when your life is on the line.
>>64229635Airsoft as a training tool should be /k/ but speedsoft and LARPing belong elsewhere (well, /gq/ can absorb some of the larpers)
Keep it off my fucking board we only allow russia shitposting, chinese shills and /arg/ here
>>64228462he already said airsoft is for teenagers. obviously nerf is the gateway drug
>>64228649as opposed to LARPers here who shoot paper and steel on a flat range? At least airshitters move more
>>64228152It belongs on /toy/.
>>64229666>russia shitposting, chinese shills and /arg/should have just said fags, satan
>>64228152/K/ is for weapons.Airsoft are specifically NOT weapons. They are designed to tag people without actually causing harm.Airsoft games can be milsum up to a point, but the limitations of airsoft guns make the simulation aspect of it unrealistic. They don't recoil like real guns, they don't have range and accuracy of real guns, and because the consequences for getting hit are a wef welts people act a lot more bravely than they should in an actual gunfight. So if it does "train" anything, the experience gained can potentially be harmful.The real rift happened years ago when airsoft was really popular and a bunch of CODkiddies would pretend to be real military veterans. They'd go around acting like they are badass motherfuckers and take pictures of their guns with the tips covered as if they actually have a real L85 or M249. It was really obnoxious and pathetic, so their presence was shunned.It isn't as much a problem today, but they still just aren't board relevant.
a) they're toysb) the culture is dogshit even compared to modern gun culture, which says a lot. And if my area is anything go by it's only getting worse and more insular.c) it isn't even really effective training (no risk of life or even pain to make you want to avoid being hit at all costs)d) they're toys
>>64229760Sir, are you aware of shooting matches?
>>64229873Are you aware that shooting matches involve carefully controlled environments and non-moving targets that are completely exposed and visible
>>64229880This is a certified airshitter moment lmao
>>64229880You're ignoring the fact you implied shooting matches can't involve movement like running, crawling, contorting etc.. This isn't true at all.>shooting matches involve carefully controlled environments and non-moving targets that are completely exposed and visibleI'm afraid all shooting matches aren't SCSA, so I encourage you to actually attend some local 3-gun or IDPA matches to broaden your perspective.
>>64229880> non-moving targets that are completely exposed and visibleLog off bro
>>64228649$5000 in plastic guns and you don't think the bloke has actual weapons
>>64229880Nah forget it Without their Manly Hobby Of Guns they feel like their balls are gonna fall off
>>64229930nta but yes, that is actually extremely common and you only have to look at reddit for confirmation
>>64229934you're on /k/ dude, whya re you literally posting like someone on r/politics?
>Why does /k/ hate airsoft?In less that 70 posts we've already reached a point where you have some fuckknuckle claiming a stage in a gun match can only be done while stationary and with completely static and exposed targets and that guns are penix compensators. This is in 2025 wihen airshit has pretty much died. Now imagine it 15 years ago when it was much more active and you can see why this place learned to despise the "sport", or more specifically, the people who practiced it.
truth is that for adult men doing this who are also into real guns, its just an excuse to go larping with all their real equipment aside from the gun itself and go curbstomp a bunch of retarded kids at the airsoft places with your $3000 thermals and completely unnecessary ghillie suitafterall, you're likely not ever going to use that equipment for anything other than airsoft anyways
Post-election /k/ is full of noguns contrarian faggots trying to be edgy by hating anything that someone might enjoy (anime, vidya, tabletop)
>>64228190>gatekeeping by /arg/ tranniesChecks out
>>64228440Shooting your friends with those is frowned on
>>64229930It's been seen countless times before, so yeah.
because the people who are into airsoft act like insufferable faggots, this thread being a good example of that
>>64229922>post a range set up for one direction of fire
>>64229970Using a ghillie suit is number one reason for team killing
>>64230131>all that stuff and only 1 GBBRWhy do they do this?
>>64229935>>64230131It's not rare, but most guys with lots of $ in airsoft have as much or more in firearms.
>>64228152Competition guys like Ben make a living selling training that does not actually translate to combat or real world gunfights. Airsoft, paintball, simunition all expose these flaws very quickly. So the comp community hates airsoft and paintball. Add to that a decent paintball team is better prepared than most local law enforcement tactical teams for a firefight. Pile on to that the gun community is largely unathletic people who can't survive the ego collapse that paintball, airsoft and simunition expose them to. All the paper training, splits, timers and foolishness they have been led to believe makes them effective all crumbles when they get trounced by a bunch of kids. The military (infantry) used miles gear. (Lazertag) The military (infantry) used paintball. The military and police use simunition. The best thing to prepare you for combat/firefight is to find a training environment that simulates it as closely as possible. In the end he who draws first, he who shoots first, he who hits first wins.
>>64228623MSW is a lot of fun even with the cheaters that cadre actively mock, your best experience is shooting at people with rifle cartridge blanks that blow out their ears becausr they didnt bring earpro
>Want to do some casual airsoft for shits and giggles and maybe to better shoot a nigger in home defense>All the groups I find are hardcore milsim autists
>>64230312>groups just go to your local field and meet people
>>64230120/k/ has always been like this man.
>>64228152>Never understood the hatred for airsoft on here.Have you looked carefully at your own OP pic...?>>64228443Outside of doorkicking ranges those don't simulate live fire well either.>>64228645They are weapons according to my country law. Very lame ones, bunched together with pellet air rifles, but weapons anyway.
>>64230446>Have you looked carefully at your own OP pic...?That guy looks better kitted than your average donbabwean mobik
>>64228449>the ruining your joints argumentYou’re a lard ass who sits down 95% of your waking hours. It’s your own fault that you don’t take care of yourself and your joints are suffering
>>64230473t.Health care lawyer
OP sure is replying to his own thread a lot
>>64230565We'd know for sure if they didn't get rid of the poster count
I enjoyed airsoft. It's fun toys to play with, and the multi-day events at nice places like Fr Hood are a fun way to act retarded in gear with friends. Downside is, there is a ton of people that are litteral gay furries, trannies, I served and know it all, retarded kids, and people that think they are morally superior and want you gone because of some type of camo or kit you have because that country did something once they didn't like. What event doesn't have all of those types of people though? If you have average IQ and are able to not act like a spurge in public, then you can normally just ignore it all, and just have fun with your buddies shooting toy guns at each other. Simple asEnd of the day though, this is /k/ for real stuff. Not toys.
>>64228152Its not cringe if you're doing it purely for fun. Even if you're dressing up. However, there are soo many tryhards and kids that its hard to have fun. Paintball is better just because of the culture.
>>64228152Fun fact, a number of actual active duty special ops soldiers do airsoft for fun. 4channel incels will cope and seethe about it though, because they're insecure neverserveds. I've never actually done airsoft before. It came about when I was already old enough to be into real guns, but I get the appeal.
>>64230750half of this thread are veterans or active service members who play airsoft, anon. At least 1/4 of players any given field are veterans, and near a military base that number can be over half
>>64230242Is this supposed to be an own or
>>64230662Paintball is dead, man. Who even plays it? It's all faggot shit speedball now
>>64230782It's not a good simulation for actual combat. Airshit isn't either but at least you get to cover more sectors of fire because you don't have to worry about range safety. What you posted is an exercise course.
>>64230814Post anything you received in the military.
>>64229637I really don't see any amount of self preservation on display in that video.
>>64230662>Paintball is better just because of the culturePB has an even worse culture because it is more cod style 20 second matches more often.
>>64230814> not a good simulation for actual combatdamn kiddo that's crazy, too bad that was never the original claim
>>64228152I like it and it's fun, got into it well after getting real guns because a friend of mine convinced me to at least try it. Wasn't hard to considering my investment was minor, just needed a gun and goggles because I had all the gear already otherwise. But some people take it way too damn seriously and get ass blasted over the most minor of things, that or you have gay meta monkey min maxing shit like speedsoft. None of what you do in airsoft will translate over to using real guns though, aside from maybe helping train short range point shooting.
>>64230761Yeah, well maybe I would have known that if I bothered to read any of the replies before posting. Instead I decided I would just make a snide drive by comment insulting my fellow board members.
>>64229943Because I own guns but I don't hang my balls off the barrel
>>64231146>I own gunsX
>>64229869>training is only effective if you might dieokay retard
Airshit are toys and the userbase is unmitigated cancer. Fuck 'em.
>>64231146>I own guns butgit out
>>64230443It definitely got worse post-Covid>>64230446>oh no someone over 20 enjoys a thing, billions must die
>>64230662Who cares how cringe it is or isn't based on some terminally online doomer's opinion. Someone who enjoys doing outdoor activities with friends isn't nearly as cringe as the atomized loner judging him for it.
>>64231601If you work a professional white collar job >implying /k/ can even land a McJob lol, lmao evena pic of you playing militia dressup with assault weapons is a career, if not actual, death sentence.
>>64231282>t. friendless shut-in who never leaves his goon caveYou make me want to take it up out of sheer spite.
>>64231610Why would you show your boss pictures of what you do in your off time? Do you share your porn stash with him too?
>>64231614Retard posts it publicly on social media for example. Hell, it might even be (You) on your personal fagbook. There was actually a case of a dumbfuck at my work that landed himself in hot water over this recently. Arguably, it was worse than airshit since it was a 3-gun competition and there was a video of him with an ayyyylmaoooo-15.
>>64231623>hello wrongful termination lawsuit
>>64231612Do it, reddittard.
>>64231626Being a gun owner isn't a protected class. Hell, even political party affiliation isn't protected either. That's not even getting into "at will" employment, which is 99% of the workplaces in this country. You don't have a right to work, simple as!
>>64231626I love it when stupid /k/iddies think they can file lolsuits and sperg in court as an argument. With what lawyer? That you will pay for with what funds?
>>64231639from experience, these are the sovereign schizo types that self-rep and get themselves classed as vexatious litigants.
>>64231610Kek, luckily that's not a thing here.
>>64231645Sure, keep telling yourself that. I can tell you're never been anywhere near an actual office except as a client for some frivolous paperwork you were too stupid to figure out on your own.
>>64231282hate to break it to you anon but your firearm collection is also an array of toys
So airsoft played competitively is cringe, airsoft gun collecting is juvenile, and the airsoft guns themselves are toys. What's the harm though if you just want to fuck around and shoot some cans/friends? Not everyone lives near convenient places to shoot, and shit like actual full autos and launchers won't ever be an affordable option.Fun fact btw, California law requires airsoft guns to have permanent brightly colored stripes around the foregrip, pistol grip, and stock/magazine
>>64231633Be indispensable. It's like tenure but better.>sure boss you could hire a jeet to do my job for pennies on the dollar>but he'd be so pisspoor at it you'd end up wasting time and money fixing his mess (plus having to clean the bathroom)>anyway I need October off
>>64231610Did you actually think about how retarded and slim of a thing this make believe scenario in your head actually was before hitting post, or just key clash and send it? Gotta be the gayest fucking thing in here said against playing with toy guns and friends outside lol
>>64231668If you're on here, you probably aren't, especially since the average 4chan autist works IT tech support at best. The vast majority of jobs don't even require the degrees they say they need. Hell, your boss can probably hire your replacement even before security reaches your desk when you get too uppity.
>>64231670>post made against the echochamber hugbox>suddenly redditspacersHHHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?????????
>>64231650>actual guns are toys just like airshitIs OP just replying to every post in here?
>>64228152since about 2010 the super l33t oper83r portion of the interwebz has made it their mission to enforce their superiority complex over teenagers and young men being active in the woods with their friends, conversely some of these airsofters are under the misguided impression that airsoft is combat experience.luckily, in recent years, things are changing and airsoft is more acceptable among the gun community . things and people like msw, oxide, flandre, etc used to be fairly underground and unknown outside of /k/ and the assorted facebook pages. even normal gun channels like admin have done videos on airsoft. this recent wave of cultural acceptance has caused the l33tper8ers to sperg more than usual which is why you see a lot of airsoft hate on /k/ now, even tho in 2016/2017 we were jerking it to oxide vids religiously.
>>64231713> people like msw, oxide, flandrethe only one I recognize here is flandre and that's an unironic troon faggot that hasn't been relevant here in years.
I don't hate airsoft itself. What I cannot stand is the community that tends to take itself way too seriously and demands to be put in the same league of actual gun users. If they can't do that, they try to use weasel arguments to bring real guns down to their level. You see all of this in this very thread.
>>64231717im pretty sure flandre knocked up and married mugi so idk if hes a troon but im not up to date with the lore either
>>64231610>If you work a professional white collar job>a pic of you playing militia dressup with assault weapons is a career, if not actual, death sentence.Maybe if you work for some soulless machine run by fucking dorks and you suck at your job. My boss would be up shit creek if I wasn't billing which is why he didn't fire me for not getting the jab and why I don't get fired for all the things I do outside of the firm. Including the occasional airsoft outing where I drink beer in the parking lot in between matches with some of my co-workers. It's "team building.">>64231676>If you're on here, you probably aren't, especially since the average 4chan autist works IT tech support at best.I'm a trial lawyer. Speak for yourself. 4chan is an actual melting pot of professions.
>>64228462nerf is different because you can use nerf guns inside your house and without eye protectionit's the correct level of casualness for playing with toy guns
>>64231746Lack of a theory of mind is a hallmark symptom of autism. They assume that everyone is working with the same thought process, prior knowledge, and frame of reference as they are, so they leave out any context that would be required to figure out wtf they're even saying.Pic related. Downies pass this, yet autists can't.
>>64231746>4chan is an actual melting pot of professions.Took you long enough to claim prestige job status. Normally this would have been the first thing, so it's a sign you're lying. Your word choice and argumentation tactics absolutely REEKS of r*ddit btw.
>>64231702>he genuinely believes his loud machine thingies he plays with on the weekend aren't just toys, since he will never use them for realkek. Anything beyond actively used hunting guns and 1 CCW pistol is a toy.
>>64231761It also seems very stilted since it's missing some conjunctions and other commonly used "filler words" native english speakers would habitually put in. In short, his post is irrelevant since he's from an actually irrelevant turd world shithole whose professional culture is nothing like the true west's which he would have no experience with from being stuck in shitholistan. Further, I suspect some variety of vodkanigger resident of the former soviet union's rapebasement. They tend to be rabid airshitters and flip out aggressively if even slightly challenged on the internet.
>>64231757Basket, on the basis that Sally doesn't know that Anne moved the ball.
>>64231763>kek.Post any gun you own.
I "played" airsoft as a teenager in the early 00's. By that I mean my brothers and I had a duffle bag full of cheap spring guns that we would divy out to other kids in the neighborhood for a "match". Nobody took it seriously and it was a lot of fun. Seeing grown ass men spending thousands of dollars on LARP gear and acting like they are high speed low drag operators is kinda gay and cringe. To each his own I guess but it doesn't belong on this board.
>>64231763sorry, you still can't post your airshit here.>>>/toy/
>>64231763This is why my actively used hunting gun is an AR-10, and I have a city CCW and an innawoods OCW.
>>64231776This. Eastern European airshitters are pretty much what American tacticool airshitters were ~10 years ago, except 9001x angrier.
>>64231763>my duty Shield is a toyCool, good to know.
>>64231763>hunting gunsYour mind is gonna be blown when you discover what an AR-15 can be used for.
>>64231761>Took you long enough to claim prestige job status. Normally this would have been the first thing, so it's a sign you're lying.I'm not but you're entitled to your incorrect opinions.
>>64231724Best take>In the heart of every airsofter burns the soul of a warrior
>>64231816They're even more pathetic than airshit kiddies who tend to stop when they can buy real guns at 18 (25 if asian). The slavniggers tend to be in their 30's and they act like ParkourDude91 ('member him?) but unironic lol, lmao, lmfaoooooooo even
>>64231623>having public social mediangmi
>>64231828So you aren't a lawyer? Make sense, polack. Or don't and go back to unclogging some paki's toilet idgaf
>>64231835I heard about one of them getting a SEAL trident tattoo because that's what he themes his loadouts around. Got fucking roasted by actual shartmartistani SEAL's and then flipped out by saying it's totes normal in his commieblock that he will never leave (implying he can). Wonder if we're dealing with the same "trial lawyer" here?
>>64231650If you had any capacity for beyond-surface-level thought you'd understand that real guns having the innate ability to be used beyond a "toy" capacity makes your argument weaker than a 5 year old cancer patient. Is anon's Glock not being used to gun down a jigaboo? Not at the moment, no. But it absolutely can be, which is infinitely more than be said for your airshit Glock.Stay in your lane.
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>>64231843Y'know, at least slav women are fuckable and roughly human-looking until they go full babushkamode in their 30's. That's at least one thing they have over niggers, but otherwise slavs are pretty much nogs with white skin.
>>64231853teebeeaych, he got (you)s out of it, and it was a solid hook since airshitters totally think that kind of bullshit cope
>>64231852lmao you're lucky the average airshitter is an adult manchild since assfucking them this hard would be considered child abuse
>>64231840>So you aren't a lawyer?I am a lawyer you unhinged fuckwit. It is not a "prestige job" as you have been taught to believe by shitty television shows written by morons who think lawyers are akin to wizards. It's a job that pays well but the hours are shit and the clients are retarded. That is it.
lol @ airshitters masshurt reporting
>>64231650my 'toys' can kill people and my police auction G22 that was found in a Nashville storm drain probably has killed people, can your toys do the same?
>>64231878So you admit you don't have a prestige job either? Tracks for an autistic slav rapebabby
>>64230799I always preferred paintball, it didn't feel quite as larpy, and much more like it's own thing.
>>64231878>unhingedI don't think you know what that means, ESL-kun. Someone calling you a faggot on 4chan isn't "unhinged" in the slightest. LURK MOAR
>>64231885Growing up I very quickly learned how easy airsoft can be "nu-uh"d compared to paintball and that made me go right to the former. Yeah you can wipe paint, but it's nowhere near as easy as pretending you didn't get doinked by a tiny plastic bb. Damn shame it's a dead sport now.
>>64231892>formerlatter*I'm trying to say I went to paintball, but I'm retarded.
>>64231884>So you admit you don't have a prestige job either?Never claimed I did. That was all your conjecture based on your pre-conceived ideas of the kinds of people who post on 4chan. You suck at cross.
>>>>>>>>>>>>/toy/A board just for you, toddler-san. Cope harder about your government's abject hatred for you. Serf.
>>64231909Speak english, vodkanigger
>>64231880>police auction G22 that was found in a Nashville storm drain probably has killed peopleThere is a 90% chance that has at least one body
>>64231909So you aren't aware of the professional environment in the true west at all and you think the whole world runs like your shithole. Took you long enough to admit I'm right and you're BTFO.
>>64231796seconding
>>64231930>So you aren't aware of the professional environment in the true west at all and you think the whole world runs like your shithole.I work for a boutique defense firm in Virginia. The simple fact you think "professional environment" means the corporate hellscape of overbearing HR departments means you need to get out more or leave that soulless place and do something you actually want to with your life. >Took you long enough to admit I'm rightYou're not and that is fine. You're allowed to have your incorrect opinions.
>>64231954More slavnigger lies. Post status: DISCARDED
>>64231954ok john amerikanski from vagina oblast
>>64231958Ok retard.
>>64231596Everything is worse post covid, but in the same way the internet got (even) worse after AOL and the mid to late 90s computer craze let every 8 year old browse places and do things they have no business being or doing.I was rp sext larping with literally unknowns in chat rooms before I even hit puberty. Imagine the cringe of a 9 year old's vocabulary and bullshit.Of course I was above legal age the entire time. Click yes to confirm you're 18.Listen to this song:https://youtu.be/k1BneeJTDcUIt was like this in 1995, 200, 2005, 2010, etc to today.It's the internet.I can tell when I'm arguing with a headstrong underage on 4chan because I WAS THAT KID ON THE INTERNET.
>>64231880Well, my airsoft guns can get me killed if I point them at police officers, so...>>64231596>oh noI guess I should have put a smiley face there or something. I actually don't have a serious gripe against airsoft, did a lot of the milsim type airshit back in 00s in my ex-comblock yuropoor country and it helped me get fit, make friends for life, learn some useful outdoorsy skills, cultivate interest in firearms and have some good innawoods times.That being said, the guy in top right in OPs picture looks lame as fuck and makes a horrible (although perhaps realistic) reference pic for an article about airsoft.
>>64228840Thats why we use simunition, or if were feeling particularly brain dead, MILES, dipshit.
>>64230130I don't shoot at my friends because that's mean and it hurts them
>>64230130unless...(ps: wtf why are there no pics of the FX, Marking ammo cans online seriously?)
>>64230276>most guys with lots of $ in airsoft have as much or more in firearmCool fantasy land take lmao
>>64228152Shooting and Tactical communities are forever indebted to airsoft and milsim because they made their stupid gear wearable. 99.9% of issued gear up to 2010 was a piece of shit invented by retards, even in the US. Billions of taxpayer money in R&D spent to little effect.And it was obvious too, when US Spec Ops all required equipment sets entirely separate from the grunts. The grunts all fellated their stupid shit even though most of them never wore it in combat, so top brass kept justifying their stupid nepotism purchases with glowing troop reviews.An airsofter, being out of shape retard, uses his gear constantly, and is ready to pay for it out of his own pocket, so he quickly realizes what works and what doesn't, what will be destroyed in a game with children's toys and what will survive. As a result, the airsoft companies he's a client of are profitable ventures that have both daily feedback and monetary income to innovate their products, do REAL R&D. These companies then expand to military gear, like Ferro Concepts, and start providing actually comfortable and effective warfighting equipment. Companies like Warrior Assault Systems exist almost exclusively on airsoft money since brits can't wear any of their shit on duty.In addition, modern airsofter larping creates a market for cheap but durable cordura nylon, so you can get serviceable pouches in any amount you need, in any pattern, for any situation.Modern gunfight wearing a slick plate carrier, carrying a mini-MAP, loading from open top assault pouches, wearing a battle belt, is entirely a product of two decades of kids shooting toys at each other. If not for them, OTV would still be hailed as the best vest on earth.Funniest story, Crye Precision knew where this shit was going back with FFW, but the military refused to adopt all the kit they offered because the military were fucking retarded. It took a children's game to bring their concepts to universal acclaim.
>>64233819
>>64233824You own gear produced by or copied from an airsoft company. You own gear popularized by airsoft.You don't own an OTV.
>>64233834And manchildren like (you) belong on >>>/toy/
>>64233837Warfighting gear belongs on /k/, why're you so mad that airsoft gear is the most efficient kit for warfighting?
>>64233841>muh chinese slop is real guns guys!where have I heard this one before?
>>64230885there's nobody inside that sheep herder "stronghold" and they know it as no one returns fire
>>64233845Who're you quoting? That post has nothing like that in it.
>>64233855>i am confused comrade we are second army in world with gear from greatest vassal chinaYou ain't sneaky Ivan, go shill your toys on >>>/toy/
>>64228152>Never understood the hatred for airsoft on hereBecause its not /k/ it's /toy/, GTFO noguns child
>>64233861>>64233869I have better gear than you, get over it :)
>>64228885>I adamantly believe CQB is pretty well simulated by airsofti'm gonna terll you something anoni've never been in a combat zone and i only shot a gun a few times at a range under supervisionand every time i see any war pov or whatever, i absolutely do NOT want to be in this person's shoes, whereas i had no problem with charging through "enemy fire" in paintball situations.gunplay and actual firefight are NOTHING alike, anon. there's no point in comparing the two, because the only similarity is that you can get tired and the thing you hold in your hand looks kinda the same, but that's it.
>>64233861>So assmad about airsoft gear derivatives setting the trend for warfighting gear, he has to scream and shout about muh russia in impotent rage.You love to see it. Buy a plate carrier and accept the truth.
>>64233861You do realize you're not allowed to own firearms as a mental patient, troon?
>>64233872>>64233881>>64233885get off your phone lil bro its school hours
>>64233875>i only shot a gun a few times at a range under supervisionFuck off from /k/.
>>64233890I don't even own guns and I mog you little kid LMAO
>>64233872Does it stop 5.56?
>>64233927better than your gear grandpa LOL
>>64233900no, stay mad bitch
>>64233933Well luckily my plates also stop bbs
>>64233954>t.unc who collapses after walking for 5 mins
>>64233927>>64233954post gear grandpa, airsoft gigachads will mog you no matter what
>>64233968Let me get my walker first
>>64233927you can put good plates in a 20 buck chink carrier and it does the same job as Cryeslop
>>64228152because hearing someone complain that real optics are so expensive and their 2 dollar chinesium is just as good if not somehow BETTER gets fucking exhausting. it translates into everything they say about real guns and weapons, and suddenly you have someone saying that a MP5 is a superior weapon to any rifle in a warzone, or regurgitating absolutely retarded takes on weapons that have absolutely no airsoft equivalent like they're an expert.
>>64234193MP5 is a superior weapon to any rifle in a warzone, since they're all either AR15 sloppa that can't collapse or fold its stock for comfort of carry, or AK-sloppa with build quality so shit that Khyber pass now effectively makes clone correct replicas.
>>64230278>Competition guys like Ben make a living selling training that does not actually translate to combat or real world gunfights.>In the end he who draws first, he who shoots first, he who hits first wins.what a fucking contradiction, USPSA teaches you exactly to draw first, shoot first, hit firstthe rest is just your coping
There is "airsoft the technology" and "airsoft the activity" the latter of which is quite broad. It really depends what you want to get out of it and why. I will focus on use of "airsoft the technology". Likewise, there's many ways to enjoy guns and so forth but this I will focus on someone who has an ar15, plates, maybe a ballistic helmet or looking to get one, might have night vision and looking to get one. Basically someone who's into "tactical stuff". I will also put aside "fun" for now but will come back to it as it is still important. For people like this, I think the value of airsoft is not in running and gunning for a day at a local field, but larger, more organised events (whether they are billed as 'milsim' or no) The immediate downside of airsoft is that limitations of the technology means that it's unlikely to develop shooting skills anymore then dryfire. However, it is a relatively cheap and accessible way of introducing a force on force element that is a glue that brings together various elements, of which hard shooting skills, for lack of a better term, is less important. In no particular order: team work, movement, comms, sustainment, use of night vision & thermal, cool locations like urban training areas, your own fitness etc. Obviously, you can do all of this outside of airsoft. But at the right event, you can do all of this together, at different scales. It might not be the best thing you can do ever but it might be the best thing you can do in a given monthSuch events are not billed as training courses so the first objective is fun of a certain type. It's a game, so gamification is inevitable.Training scars are real, no training is perfect, yes twigs can stop bb's, no you don't actually die irl bla bla bla
>>64234267I bought a GBBR and attended an airsoft event once. I wanted some FoF, you know, assuming it's much cheaper than simunition and easier to obtain. Little did i know, most of the other dudes were either teenagers, overweight, larping as SOF (using chinese knock-off, mind you), or a mix of all of that. In other words, it was just gay as fuck.GBBRs are fun tho
>>64234282I believe you but it sounds like what i meant by "local field" which is probably not going to be great.
>>64234296yeah, totallyif had a team with similarly oriented guys doing cqb/mout as intended, it could be funhence the conclusion - airsoft is cool, just most of the community is gay
>>64228926are u estonian
>>64230302This, I had so much fun blazing blanks at Balkar last weekend. It was a bit annoying when some fags wouldn’t even react to fire, but it’s the most realistic, most engrossing training experience commercially available short of DARC. Where else can you get live fire experience passive aiming w/ nods against adversaries who also have NV and thermal? That said, walk-on fields are full of cancerous speedsofters with gamer builds and birthday party kiddos. If that’s your only touchstone, I get the hate. >>64231713Oxide and Flandre (Neil) are actively disliked in most MSW Rusfor and adjacent circles. Oxide got his ass banned from MSW for dangerous shenanigans and nobody likes a tranny.>>64234676Zased
>>64235063>DARCThat kind of training is called force-on-force. DARC is just one of the companies that do it.
>>64231713love how two of the three people you say are advocating airshit are one literal troon and one insufferable fuckstick that has been banned from just about every event. pottery.
>>64228152People should be larping with real guns. You should be terrified for your life and come home with 6 less friends every time you play. You should probably die. Plastic bb's? What is this, a tampon commercial? Jesus these kids are soft.
when I was a kid I had a friend who would go through a different hobby every month. one time he came over to my house with paintball guns and we had a lot of fun running around my yard shooting each other. the next time he came over he had traded his paintball guns for airsoft ones. they were way less satisfying to shoot and the plastic pellets were lame compared to paint splats. I told him he was retarded and the airsoft was gay, but he insisted it was cooler because "they look like real guns." this set my opinion of airsoft and people who are into it and no interaction with them since then has changed it.
>>64236173>he insisted it was cooler because "they look like real guns." this set my opinion of airsoft and people who are into itThose retards are still around. See >>64228348. Toy guns are fun because you can shoot your friends without actually harming them. Obsessing over appearance is not. When you see airsoft lads buying real AR-15 barrel shrouds to make the gun heavier and real red dots, you start to question their sanity.
>>64236173>who would go through a different hobby every month.I will never understand how people do this
>>64236552These people are chasing the dopamine high from experiencing something new. Once the novelty wears off, so does the fun for them. Their true hobby isn't what they are currently learning but rather exploring the unknown. As someone who possibly has ADHD, I understand exactly how they feel even though I don't do it myself.
>>64236552ADHD
>>64235842I’m aware what it’s called, sweaty. I mentioned DARC in particular because they’re the only outfit offering their courses on a commercial basis to the public afaik.
>>64228290>Airsoft and paintball have been declining since speedball/speedsoftPaintball has had speedball from the beginning, and it's always been the most popular format. Milsim was always a small niche in paintball and kind of retarded honestly with .68 bores, air tanks, and hoppers.>>64228454>forcing the players to only be able to play in matches was the problemThere were 5 or 6 paintball fields with in a 2 hour drive of me and all of them had woodsball fields. It's not like all of a sudden you couldn't play woodsball. I don't know, everyone I ever met that complained about speedball was just fat and mad that they couldn't walk around for fifteen minutes and then run out of paintball gun range the instant some shot at them on speedball fields.Paintball, airsoft and other extreme sports peaked in 2008 before the housing market crashed.
>>6422815210ish years ago i use to airsoft a lot. we had many active duty members and former SF guys that would come and teach people how to move and work with a squad, how to scan for enemies and other little tricks. I guess it depends on who you are airsofting with. could be a bunch of furfags. could be harded men that seen some fucked up shit. i think the biggest objection is that its not real guns. but you get to learn a lot of shit from the right people that i feel its worth the trade off. there are bigger events like "Operation: Lion Claws" where they get veterans, like Danny Mcknight, a real life soldier portrayed in the movie "Black Hawk Down", and other service memberst that create milsim events. there is levels to airsofting.
>>64228885The only thing close to combat was when we were still in Iraq and they'd have us practicing with those hard rubber balls that literally ripped your skin up and made you feel like your bones were breaking. Those little shits struck terror into your heart and I'm pretty sure they stopped using them because people died. That's the difference. I've been on shoot houses practicing battle drill after battle drill with ODA's and done infinite scenarios, but the only thing that can simulate actual battle is battle, you need the fear of God to simulate how your team actually reacts under fire. Try banana peels and bounding overwatch or remembering to drop your chem lights when the gun shots you hear could be creating a inch wound channel inside your buddy's kidney and smelling his piss and blood burning through the hole in his body. That's why all these larpers and commie groups who arrogantly think they're preparing for combat are simply going to cry and hide under a rock when the shit goes down, and the real mother fuckers who know what the shit actual entails are running the fuck away to a cabin in the woods because they're not getting involved with that kind of stress again.
>>64238134>wahhh people are not dying while they are training.
>>64237762>they’re the only outfit offering their courses on a commercial basis to the publicThat is simply not true. Spartan Development Group, CETS USA, Delaware Tactical, Tactical Hyve, RedDragon Tactical, Tactical U, Provectus Group, Sage Dynamics, Arex MTX (for the Europeans), etc. all offer classes to the public. I get that you'd go to the one near you, but people have options.>>64238046>Paintball has had speedball from the beginningI am aware, but if you'd paid attention to my comment you'd have realized that the existance of speedball wasn't the problem, it was the push to eliminate casual events like woodsball.>There were 5 or 6 paintball fields with in a 2 hour drive of me and all of them had woodsball fields. It's not like all of a sudden you couldn't play woodsball.Anon, you are in the minority. Many places were lucky to have 1 woodsball field, and by the late 2010s they'd all closed down.>everyone I ever met that complained about speedball was just fat and mad that they couldn't walk around for fifteen minutesHahaha, I just found that the more casual game mode was more fun and immersive for my friends, even if one of them was fat.>>64238089The reason people say airsoft is not training is that since no one minds getting shot, then they start playing more recklessly as time goes on, doing things that they definitely wouldn't do in a real-life threatening situation. Yes, you can learn to clear a room, but when one can easily respawn, then he or she will do goofy, fun shit instead of serious shit.>>64238134>I'm pretty sure they stopped using them because people died.Yes, they stopped using the rubber ones. Some militaries use Simunition (paintball but with real guns) Force-on-Force, and others have this laser tag thing where they set up a laser on the ends of guns, and everyone is walking around with a machine that tells them if they got hit. Simunition stings a bit, but it's a lot safer than the rubber projectiles.
>>64228348Paintball has been dead since Smart Parts fucked everyone with their patent lawsuits and shiesty selling of their bankruptcy (c 2010)
>>64238196im just saying its a good opprotunity if you can get with the right crowd. i did plenty of field games in deserts and forest. as well as night ops. its not actual military training, but its a good chance to get all geared up and walk in the forest at night looking for people and there might be people there that could teach you a trick or too that are not afraid to run around the desert with civilians for fun. when else are you going to get that kind training outside of signing up for uncle sam? 1000 dollar weekend corses with some other pissed off vet? its just fun wargames. you might learn something or you might not. people just act like there is zero experience gained unless its real guns.
European here. In my country airsoft is 18+ only, you need to have a free criminal record along with membership in an airsoft organization and admission for an event costs 30-50 eur.>muh totalitarian stateIn general that means that only reasonable/chill people show up to events and most of the retards get filtered. I think the airsoft community in the US is a lot more obnoxious and unlikeable due to firearms being more of a 'normal' thing compared to here and airsoft being easy to get into, especially when I see footage from US airsoft fields.
>>64238240literally everyone owned guns that i airsofted with. often times people would party up and do real steel weekends quite often.
>>64238240>In general that means that only reasonable/chill people show up to events and most of the retards get filtered.I wish that were true. Remember Kicking Mustang? The dude had gotten banned from over 46 fields in the UK for cheating and being toxic, and then he went to continue being a jerk in the rest of Europe.
>>64238134>“This practice method isn’t 100% perfect, therefor do not practice”>From the makers of “This armor only covers the chest, therefor do not wear armor”
half the people ITT never airsofted, never owned one, never signed up for an event and never will. thats ok. end of the day it just wargames. there may actually be a good community out there where people are like you and like real guns and fake guns. spent thousands on gear for real steel, then never use it because you only go to the gun range. there is fun and opprotunity and if you are just going to go to old tom's shoot n sport every weekend thats fine.
>>64238264In the Netherlands, to play you must be a member of the NABV (national airsoft organisation). If you break the rules, even something like not taking a hit multiple times, then the field can report you to this organisation. You get reported multiple times and bam, you get a nationwide ban on playing (for a period of time). IDs are checked at the entrance to every field.Might sound 'oppressive' but it works wonders to keep the game environment high quality.Also we don't have to play with these stupid fucking orange tips
>>64238157>>64238265It has nothing to do with viability as a training tool and everything to do with viability as an *effective* training tool. If you've ever trained infantry combat you'd understand that even the best performer can be the one who cracks the moment actual risk comes into play, and sometimes the lazy guy who can't seem to follow the drill can suddenly snap into action and turns into Rambo when the shit starts. Risk and threat of injury are an absolutely massive and integrally important part of tactical training, without that stress inoculation you have no real way of knowing how to grow and effectively perform as a team.
>>64228152Partly because it became a board meme an eternity ago, partly because you're not allowed to have fun or like things. There are real posters here that think running around yelling "BANG BANG!" with vaguely gun shaped sticks would be more useful. Back in the old days groups like the infamous "Green Mountain Rangers" thought they were every bit as good as actual SOF guys and took themselves super seriously which really poisoned the well on the sport for a lot of people. It's a lot less fun when you're at an event and some retard starts screaming at you because you didn't follow his orders and he's totes a higher rank or some other bullshit of the sort.Personally I've played in the past and it's definitely got benefits. You can get airshit that is as close as possible to being a 1:1 copy of your actual gun and you can mount all your real shit to them if you feel like it. You can shoot at other people who are actively trying to shoot you with theirs. Sure you can't really simulate some of the malfunctions, realistic range, and the recoil will be nothing even with the best GBBs, but there's definitely value in it. Between it and VR I'm a lot more confident I'll be able to pull the trigger on my actual guns if I'm ever in a situation where I need to. Also REALLY good for learning to use camo and not being seen if you do it innawoods.The biggest thing whether you're just out to have fun or you want to train is to find a group of people that are not shitbags.>>64233759Average Joe is not using simunitions for anything, same for MILES gear. He said TREAT it like military, not that it is. If you're too stupid to understand a real gun would have killed you hiding in that bush that's blocking all those BBs it's not going to matter what training aid you use.Unlike MILES you can actually get airshit. Unlike simunitions you can get airshit from all sorts of sources and the ammo is extremely cheap. You can use it in a lot more places too.
>>64238337That’s only a viable complaint if there’s any form of better, civilian available option, which there really isn’t.
>>64238368what does the toy gun actually add though? I'm too smart to be a zogbot but all of my friends who were infantry said most of their training was just running around and saying "bang you're dead."
>>64238338>You can get airshit that is as close as possible to being a 1:1 copy of your actual gun and you can mount all your real shit to them if you feel like it.the people who did this were all fags who took it too serious and would lose to some random kid in a tshirt and jeans
>>64238422>I don't know what I'm talking about but the people who did this...ftfyThe whole point is if you want to train you can and your airshit can be a carbon copy of your real gun for that purpose. If you can't get past the "B-B-BUT IT'S A TOY!" thing that's on you.
>>64228152It's like the 3-gun shooters who take themselves too seriously, instead air soft players are more cringe. They're decked out and paid more to look like a navy seal. All to shoot a shitty plastic BB with weak ballistics in full auto to cope
>>64228706Seeing how prohibitively expensive ammo is, I'd assume such an airsoft setup would amortize pretty quickly.
>>64231824I think the key word here was "actively used", anon.
>>64236552Not everyone is lucky enough to find a hobby they can get autistic about.My hobbies are actually kind of seasonal.For example I don't scale model in the summer, generally. I map and mod for Doom, but only on-and-off because I need a strong inspiration and can't just churn out map after map like the DB dudes. I enjoy photography, but sometimes I just don't feel like carrying my camera everywhere like a complete tool.That said, anon's friend was probably THAT KID.
>be airsofter>get patch burned
>>64238368>That’s only a viable complaint if there’s any form of better, civilian available option, which there really isn’t.NTA, but people have suggested a better option than airsoft in this very thread multiple times: Force-on-Force.
>>64238524perhaps for dedicated cqb sure. i took a look at the list of providers above (which i appreciate is not exhaustive) and none offer what you can get some airsoft, which put simply is 24h+ non stop, fof, with night vision and thermal. i think these are just tools in the tool box.
airsoft was fun af when i was a teenager. When adults showed up and acted like a bunch of tryhards it got to be a miserable experience and we all wound up dropping it.
>>64238932Why didn't you play without adults?
>>64228152Ghillie suit faggots sniping with impunity because their guns don’t make any noise but acting like they have skill, and the people who run the games failing to notice how much of a problem this is.
>>64238955How can you even snipe with airshit? Are they using heavier pellets or something?
>>64238974Sniping is about hiding, not accuracy.
>>64233915>I don't even own guns>I mog youThere is an inherent contradiction in these statements
>>64239001No it isn't, but that faggot wouldn't mog anyone even if he owned a WA2000, Meatba as sidearm and an original StuG III G
>>64228164>physical exercise is embarrasingFound the 600 lbs fat fuck mallninja.
When I was a kid (8/9 years old) I really wanted an airsoft gun. My dad gave in and got me several which he insisted were a stupid novelty and eventually got me an actual air rifle because he resented me being obsessed with pieces of plastic.Even at that age I preferred the air gun because it was fundamentally a tool, not a toy. And I learned to diesel it, which was cool
>>64228152It's not traditionally /k/ related because this board's early evolution went from vidya kids spewing gun memes to a bunch of neverserved fat fucks whose entire personality was owning a cheap milsurp nugget.The point is, the physically active /out/ adjacent component has always been a small minority in /k/.Airsoft milsim events are fun light-hearted civilian supplements to voluntary reservist activity and military refresher exercises.We have pretty cool annual Battlegroup events here in Finland. They're quite popular and draw in a lot of foreigners for some reason.https://tstos25.ehasa.org/
>>64238422just like you can die to some retard with a shotgun irl
>>64231757I know the answer should be the basket but my first gut instinct pointed at the box.
>>64239025Pretty sure that's not the part he's talking about, anon.
>>64238922See, but if we are talking about practical training for civilians. Ghillie suits, NVGs, Thermals, etc. are not part of the equation. That's already entering the land of fantasy and LARPing, fun but not practical.>>64238974>Are they using heavier pellets or something?They can. Pellets start at .20 g but can go all the way to .48 g. The trick to not get banned is to not use a gun more powerful than the field allows. Most outdoor fields have a max energy limit between 3.25 joules (2.40 foot-pounds of energy) and 3.50 joules (2.58 foot-pounds of energy); indoor fields have a lower energy requirement. As long as no one surpasses this energy and/or no one uses metal BBs, then the guns should not penetrate skin.
>>64238524>Force-on-ForceWhich is...?Like seriously, what do you mean by that?
>>64240274>That's already entering the land of fantasy and LARPing, fun but not practical.It's explicitly practical. You can buy Ghillies, NVGs, Thermals, etc on fuckin amazon if you feel like it lol. Any milsurp store in the country has everything you need short of the airshit and many even have a nice selection of that too as a result of knowing their customer bases.Simunitions will just flat NEVER be on the same level as airshit for the average civilian. They're expensive, notably more dangerous, and harder to get ahold of. It's a shitty go to "better" option to toss out for people that really REALLY don't want to admit airsofting is the best option for the average Joe.Never had limits on the fields I played on. I had an ironclad "no exposed skin" rule for myself because half the people I played with had BBs in them lol.>>64241012Probably simunitions, not realizing that "force on force" is merely two groups going after each other. There's apparently a simunitions brand called "Force on Force". Almost all airsoft is force on force whether it's speedballing or innawoods "LARPing" as he'd put it. The whole point is you're shooting real people (an opposing force), not cardboard.
>>64241055Should also add the limitations in the US tend to be based on feet per second rather than joules with to my understanding was how power was typically measured in Europe. People would specifically use heavier BBs to lower their FPS to within allowed ranges and pass chrono testing. Though again, none of the places I played had those rules.
>>64241012>Which is...?https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3xTAiTAPuN4https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ZoSgyxDRyQc>>64241055>It's explicitly practical. You can buy Ghillies, NVGs, Thermals, etc on fuckin amazon if you feel like it lol. Any milsurp store in the country has everything you need short of the airshit and many even have a nice selection of that too as a result of knowing their customer bases.The most common threats a civilian will face are a home invasion or a carjacking. To even pretend that running around with thermals and a ghillie suit prepares you for that is beyond delusional. https://www.youtube.com/shorts/OlIRDknuR2Mhttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/SQYlcO868DE>Probably simunitions, not realizing that "force on force" is merely two groups going after each other.You forget to mention that real Force-on-Force training is not a game; there's no respawning, objectives like flags to capture, or waiting for a medic to pretend to give you first aid so you can get back to the fight. In actual Force-on-Force training you are put through scenarios to face under stress to stress-test and gain experience for what defending your life would actually look like.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/dhS5N71xsm4
>>64241110>he doesn't know about the unorganized militiaNot surprising from a Euro. In the US every able bodied male age 17-45 is legally part of the Unorganized Militia. If you're an American man age 17-45 and you don't think about this you're Americaning wrong. That guy out innawoods "LARPing" while getting pointers from he vets in his group is doing more than the vast majority of the civilian population. He has the gear, he practices regularly, and actually has some clue how to not be seen or shot. That guy is more well regulated as a militiaman than the majority of people. If you're training with airsoft or sims you are probably not training for a carjacker. You can totally train for a home invader though.>B-B-BUT MINE'S NOT A GAME REEEEJust because you're using airshit doesn't mean it's a game. Also even if everyone else IS playing a game you can still treat it as training using skills you learn from people that know what they're doing. I don't think it could be more perfect for training to deal with another George Floyd situation if everyone else is just playing a game and you're not.You can absolutely use it for training scenarios like you're talking about. There's even still a lovely pain punishment for fucking up. I don't know if you've ever been lit up from 2 feet, but it hurts like fuck you you immediately realize you screwed up. There's plenty of stress involved even with respawns, objectives, etc. Again, half the people I played with still had BBs in them from previous games.Again, if you can't get the whole "Toy" thing out of your head that's a you problem. It shows you stick to your biases stubbornly and may well have the thinking skills of a potato.
>>64241175>he doesn't know about the unorganized militiaInserting a red herring to move the goalpost does not make you look smart. This thread was never about minutemen, and if minutemen were ever needed, I'd take a hunter or someone who knows basic first aid over you and your plastic toys. Trust me, they can use NVGs and thermals just as well as you can; it's not rocket science.>and actually has some clue how to not be seen or shot. That guy is more well regulated as a militiaman than the majority of people.An average hunter could traverse the woods better than you pretend paramilitary faggots. Real minutemen from the late 1700s would be laughing at your ass.>Again, if you can't get the whole "Toy" thing out of your head that's a you problem.Question: When you run out of plastic BBs, do you melt the plastic dildo in your ass into a mold to make more BBs, or do you radio your least obese friend into going for a supply run?
>>64241110You can do literally any of this with an airsoft gun for way cheaper. They are using paintball guns to do larp training. You there is literally nothing here that is not precisely replicable much cheaper. At close ranges simunition is a meme
>>64241339>Inserting a red herring to move the goalpost does not make you look smart.Not a red herring at all. If you're out innawoods training with force on force scenarios as a civilian you're probably training for militia shit, not "why do I live in such a Hammerfell ass shithole" urban stuff. I don't think Yogi and Booboo are out there scheming to carjack you even if you've got a really nice picnic basket with you.>you and your plastic toysAgain with the toy thing. Are you really dumb enough to think if I was doing militia shit for real I wouldn't take one of my real rifles? While my old VFC Mk18 IS really nice and is full aluminum and steel construction with a sexy ass Daniel Defense quad rail on it and stings like a bitch to get hit with I don't think the Chinese aren't going to call their hits.>an average hunterspends an absolute fuckload of time innawoods for long stretches hunting animals that treat every little twig snap as something trying to eat them. No shit they know how to move well innawoods. It's a skill anyone can learn and you bet your ass it'd help in games or training things where the things you're hunting are people. It's the exact sort of thing you should be learning if you airshit for training.If you have to act like an idiot to defend your point then it's a shit point.
>>64241526ok but answer the question: if you aren't a larper why do you need the toy gun that looks just like a real gun? why not do it with a nerf gun or a paintball gun or just a gun shaped stick?
>>64241526>If you have to act like an idiot to defend your point then it's a shit point.Anon, look in the mirror and reflect on this. You included a red herring talking about "militiamen" because you know so little of our history that you didn't even know they were called minutemen.Airsoft guns has huge unrealistic mag capacity, shit external ballistics (the wind carries the round far away on even the most powerful rifles the game lets you use), the guns have way less recoil, the guns have less sound, the guns have less muzzle flash, the guns have less range, paper-thin walls that wouldn't protect you from real guns stop BBs, airsofters are constantly flagging one another and tend to have poor trigger discipline, and so on.
>>64241543NTA but probably bc it looks cool, are you by any chance a retarded asshole
>>64241543Anon, you're not really helping dispel the assumption that you're retarded.A good quality airshit M4 has the same controls and often even weight as a real one. If you go for the GBB everything on it works.If you were training to fight other people and owned an AR platform rifle would you want this GBB from 12 years ago:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EpEd9woeAkor would you want pic related?>>64241588Again... it's not a red herring. If you are out in the woods doing force on force training you're training for militia shit. If you want to train for carjackers there's plenty of places that can help with that, including the local real estate office and Uhaul.>BUT MUH MAG CAPACITYStop using hi-caps. You can easily find magazines for airsoft that have the correct real capacity. It's a complete non-issue unless you make it one for yourself.>rangeYeah, that's a legit gripe. But you know how you get around that? By not being hundreds of yards from each other. You know where seeing hundreds of yards can be something that isn't guaranteed? Innawoods.>Muh cover vs concealment>If you're too stupid to understand a real gun would have killed you hiding in that bush that's blocking all those BBs it's not going to matter what training aid you use.>flagging and poor TDAnon, you can be the old guy that teaches them. You can be the guy who knows shit and teaches them stuff.Personally I drilled in TD and good muzzle awareness explicitly via airshit.
>>64241110>only available for AR and GlocksOpinion discarded
>>64241615>Personally I drilled in TD and good muzzle awareness explicitly via airshit.explain why you couldn't do that with the nerf gun you posted.
>>64241635There is support for all kinds of handguns, even revolvers. We do need more rifle support though.>>64241543>>64241658Anon, could you stop pretending to be me? A simple NTA (not that anon) would have let him know you are a second person.>>64241615Keep trying to pretend that only airsofters running in the woods know how NVGs and thermals work. One day you'll convince someone somehow.
>>64241707>There is support for all kinds of handguns, even revolvers. We do need more rifle support though.If that’s the case I am unable to find them
>>64242136https://danasafetysupply.com/Simunition/Simunition++Conversion+Kits+for+PistolsRevolversGlocks, HK USP, HK VP9, 1911, SIG P226, CZ 75, SIG Rattler 9mm, Walther PDP, S&W M&P, Canik, etc.I can no longer find the revolver ones, so that makes me a bit sad. You can still use simunition with regular guns, but since those accept live ammo, then it's not recommended to use live guns in Force-on-Force facilities (in case someone wants to pull an Alec Baldwin).https://simunition.com/sub-machine-guns-conversion-kits/MP5, MP7https://simunition.com/shotgun-conversion-kit/Mossberg 500 and 590, Remington 870. I can't seem to find the Benelli M4 mod anymore either.I'm not sure why this is a deal breaker for you, as the training facilities will have the guns for you to run the scenarios with; you don't need to buy any fake guns.
>>64242284Jesus Christ, they only sell to law enforcement, and they cost nearly 1.5x as much as the gun they’d be going in. For example, the barrel conversion for an M&P is over $900. And it matters because why would you be training with a firearm that doesn’t match what you will actually be carrying day to day?You can literally get an exact blowback replica of just about any gun, often down to the weight (and if not that usually an easy fix) for a fraction of the cost of a real fire arm, plus BB’s are dirt cheap, simunition is nearly $1/round for 9mm.
>>64242284I’m convinced this dude works for FoF and is trying some kind of guerrilla marketing shill shit to justify their insanely overpriced “training tools”
>>64242663>Jesus Christ, they only sell to law enforcement, and they cost nearly 1.5x as much as the gun they’d be going in. For example, the barrel conversion for an M&P is over $900. And it matters because why would you be training with a firearm that doesn’t match what you will actually be carrying day to day?Whatever training facility you go to is likely to have the guns. Claiming you have to buy the conversions is extremely disingenuous.>>64242675>guerrilla marketing shillAll I did was point out the difference between a game and legitimate training. Real training doesn't have crybabies whining to the ref that the other guy is cheating or kids point-blank mag dumping each other over nothingburgers.
>>64242710and you say this inflated price is not reflected in training cost? what about ammo?face it, airsoft is much cheaper while providing a very similar outcome
>>64242719>providing a very similar outcomehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biL4gtoEFVAThe similar outcome in question. Is this one of you guys?
>>64242735You're saying it's not possible to do with simmunition? Sure it is, all depends on context. It might be news for you, but if your training center replaced all simmunition guns with airsoft toys, nothing would've changed. Except for cost that is
>>64242824Oh, this must be you. That's some serious training you are doing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSpPRe-MENg
>>64242859 if your training center replaced all simmunition guns with airsoft toys, nothing would've changed. Except for cost that is
>>64242859>>64242735100% a shill
>>64242880Bro, but look at all this training. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bSRtEKjXRcIn all seriousness, sure, you could do force-on-force training with airsoft. I have not seen any facility to do so though. Now that simunition is falling out of favor (people get upset because it hurts) facilities are switching to MILES gear (basically laser tag). Why don't you set up your own legitimate training facility with airsoft gear? All the facilities that exist are doing games, not training.>>64242913You should learn what words mean, ESL chan.
Buy an ad faggot.Also OP is a queer just buy a gun
>>64242940>I have not seen any facility to do so though.Well I've seen, so what about that? I know for a fact that there are regular armies using airsoft for training, even SOF unitshttps://www.czdefence.com/article/army-buys-cz-805-bren-airsoft-rifles-for-cqb-training?seznam_q=1&utm_source=www.seznam.cz&utm_medium=sekce-z-internetuRecently, Project Gecko (israeli running a training company in Germany) switched from simmunition to unit4 (basically an expensive airsoft rifle)https://unitsolutions.com/collections/unit4-training-riflesrifle cost aside, it's just a lot cheaper to run, simmunition is just too expensive, even compared to normal rounds
>>64242956One facility to teach Czech soldiers and another in Germany to train feds, cops, and bodyguards. Anon, open one to train the public. Quickly capitalize on it before your idea gets stolen. Go Go Go. Hire those elite vets you mentioned earlier too.
>>64242973never mentioned anything about elite vetswhat's your problem, really? you like paying 2-3x cost the normal round to do some paintball with your gun?
>>64242992>never mentioned anything about elite vetsBro, what? Earlier there was all this talk about SOF mentors @64238089.>what's your problem, really?My problem? For pointing out that a game is just a game and noticing how mad you got? LOL, I've been pretty chill this whole time; if you detect anger, look in the mirror, or better yet, set up your airsoft training facility. If I come visit, it better have an FAL and some dark-skinned volunters/employees for a Rhodesian civil war scenario.
>>64243036>@64238089lmao even xD
Paintball was always more fun>the guns actually make some noise and depending on the co2 pressure you actually get a miniscule amount of recoil>the paintballs actually cause some pain on impact which means:>you get an actual adrenaline rush>you at least some incentive to not act like a rambo retard>it's much harder to cheat, even wiping the paint from your clothes leaves an obvious markAirsoft always just felt a cheap imitation as a kid and I would only play it when I had no money for co2 and paintballs.
>>64242940NTA but I know about at least one in my corner of the world. HardTask Training in Czechia offers various shooting and tactical classes and they use airsoft guns for some of them (iirc Small Unit Tactics courses and some home defense-oriented CQB classes). Apparently they chose airsoft because it strikes the right balance between realism, ease of use and cost for their needs.https://www.hardtask.cz/It's your typical tactical training company started by SOF vetbros and one of the very few companies that offer helicopter shooting courses to civilians, so not exactly "2 guys in a shed".
>>64238939the pool of teenagers was thinning because we started getting girlfriends and going to college. looking back i had no idea how those adults had time to play airsoft with a bunch of kids so consistently.
>>64229912>3-gun>IDPA>mfwThese two are even bigger larps than airshit. Actively penalizing people for shooting fast and sending down a lot of lead down range because you dared to miss one or two shots or minmaxing stages likes some faggot vidya speedrunner is even worse than running around like a retard in a forest doming other retards with BBs. I have yet to see any competition which actually makes their stages at least semi realistic and plausible instead of "you only have 6 rounds in your magazine for some reason and you have to hit these tiny plates swinging back and forth but only after you solve this equation while eating a cheese sandwich balancing yourself on your dick on a monocycle".
>>64231824>You just keep right on walking, biped.
>>64243876>I have yet to see any competitionTrust me that was apparent in the first line of text
>>64243997Ok mallninja, whatever you say.
>>64243876in what fucking universe does 3 gun punish you for being fast and shooting a lot? post practiscore account, shit, post a gun that is powered by a battery
>>64244099isn't powered*
>>64243876You genuinely have no clue what you're talking about but I guess that's exhibit A of why airshitters are so despised.
>>64244099>>64244193Not an airshitter but this shows how fragile /k/unt egos are
>>64244285Wow so you don't even own an airsoft gun huh? Begone, tourist filth.
>>64228152How does that top right image not explain it perfectly for you, anon?
>>64244015>use stock AK-74 and Glock for this season>get called a mallninja by some clueless noguns kid on a underwater basket weaving forumLelaroon
>>64244299>>64244316>implyingThe assblast is palpable
>>64241658You can absolutely do that anon. I never said you can't. Nerf guns are a particularly great choice for teaching kids basic firearms safety.>>64241707>Keep trying to pretend that only airsofters running in the woods know how NVGs and thermals workWhen did I ever say that? Oh wait. I didn't. You made up that ridiculous strawman completely on your own because you're clearly desperate.Already figured you're different posters. One of you is slightly less retarded than the other.
>>64244361Post guns, brownie
>>64244385>brownieI don't think I will larper
>>64244389Yeah that's what I thought lmao
>>64244407Mighty bold of you to say you think
>>64244285>have objectively trash and incorrect take>get told this>think it's egotistical for others to correct youYou have to be 18 or older to post here.
>>64243876What matches did you attend, because IDPA and 3-Gun do the exact opposite of penalizing you for speed and round volume. They revolve around this, actually.
>>64228152>Why do you all hate this?the """""sport""""" is finethe problem is that it EXCLUSIVELY attracts the most annoying faggots in the world.its the ultimate larptard fatansyat least with paintball everyone knows it has nothing to do with real guns or military shit or whatever
>>64244614paintball is retarded faggot shit like modern fps shooters
>>64230446Not a weapon despite your cucked laws.I think airsoft should be acceptable topic on /k/.It is basically gear queer and "weapons".Just have it quarantined in its own thread.
>>64244385NTA, he only has airsoft guns. Give him some time to spray paint the orange tips.>>64244381>When did I ever say that? Oh wait. I didn't. You made up that ridiculous strawman completely on your own because you're clearly desperateIn these.@64238922@64241055@64241175BTW, I'm not giving you anymore (you) than necessary, you newfag. I love how you think me calling a game a game makes me "desperate," but you think bringing up NVG, thermals, "militiamen" (because you didn't know they were called minutemen), and the cost of gear you don't have to buy doesn't somehow reek of desperation.
>>64245672>>64238922Is not me and they did not say:>only airsofters running in the woods know how NVGs and thermals workas you claimed>>64245672No I fucking didn't you illiterate baboon.>>64241175I didn't say it there either you glorious winged faggot.
>>64245714Meant to tag >>64241055 while calling you an illiterate baboon.
>>64245714>illiterateProjecting this hard. @64241175 was a follow-up to @64241055 which was a follow-up to @64238922.>"I didn't state it in that exact comment."Worthless anon, you were defending a previous comment in which you did.
