face saving would be impossible when they lose all ~10 in a day and cannot make any more because of sanctions and corruption

>>64231760
it's not real

puccia really went all in on a tank when drones came along and now no one is buying tanks anymore lmao

>>64231760
They tried to use them and the mobiks said they'd rather walk. Now they're rotting in a field.

>>64231760
Not drone proof.

>>64231760
They're all unreliable prototypes and apparently the army rejected them. They also have been a PR showpiece for years. If they all break down in a field in Ukraine and get captured or blown up it wouldn't look good.

the ukraine war proved the design is an evolutionary dead end and its a waste of rublei.

>>64231760
It's a prototype. This isn't fiction. Prototypes don't function well in actual combat usually.

>>64231760
they're not real, it's a just a sheet metal re-skin

>Why wouldn't the tank be screaming?

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>>64231760
I had heard that the T-14's were supposed to be exceptionally well-designed against mines, but then I never heard any specifics. Sounded like bullshit to me. An AT mine is always still an AT mine.

>>64231760
It screams

>>64231760
It would be a bad look to see them compete in the turret tossing championships and win the gold medal.

>>64231760
The Russian Army is only using 1% of its power, like Frieza in Dragon Ball Z.

>>64231760
Because seven prototypes aren't going to do anything except die and embarrass russia in the process. Or did you forget how completely worthless the "terminator" that got hyped up so much was?

>>64232096
>Or did you forget how completely worthless the "terminator" that got hyped up so much was?
It's a pretty good vehicle in Wargame

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Long story short: It was always vaporware. It was something that the Russians wanted to show off to the rest of the world to prove that they were not a paper tiger. But the product itself was the very definition of paper tiger.

Most of the money meant for design and development was stolen, all the development reports were falsified to ake it look like it would actually achieve something, it's engine never really made it throught the prototype phase, the chassis was crap, the whole production line meant to make it was commendeered to do nothing and funnel money to oligarchs Yacht funds. All the military officers involved saw the whole project as their personal piggy-bank to leech as much as they could for their countryside datchas. Even the chinese would-be buyers said that it's Electronic Warfare package was horseshit and didn't work.

Nobody in russia ever thought this would be anything but a cash cow for corrupt officials. If you have ever heard about those propagnda stories about "how pentagon wastes money on insane projects" ...well, every accusation is a projection. (not saying there isn't corruption in US arms manufacturing, but what I AM saying is that it pales in comparison to the soviet/russian military industrial corruption. These people see that it is their job perk ,their RIGHT to skim off the R&D funds)

That's what happened to Armata. Russia. Russia happened. Ungodly amounts of money wasted for corruption, and they didn't even ge a working tank to show for it.

>>64232116
>Picrel
Potemkin?

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>>64232132
What?
...eh.. NO!

That's a mock-up picture of Putin as one of the later-era Czars, aking to Alexander the second, or somesuch. It's a carricature, to show how Putin fashions himself to be the next Czar of the Russian empire, despite being nothing like it.

Now, where you do hit home is the "potemkin" part, if we assume that Putin is just a Potemkin-village ruler. Someone who masks rotting surfaces with new paint, in order to (hopefully) fool people to think that these are healthy and well-faring villages, and not starving russian shit-holes, like they really are.
Yeah, Russia ahas a long and well documented history of "just give it a new coat of paint and make it seem as if it's not about to collapse on it's own weight".

Watching the entire t14 fleet get decimated would be hilarious, but not as hilarious as armatard’s meltdown afterwards.

>>64232154
>Someone who masks rotting surfaces with new paint, in order to (hopefully) fool people
Point of order: IIRC the bullshit from your pic isn't about Putin trying to fool the world, but about local Russian governors trying to hide their embezzlement from Putin, thereby avoiding defenestration for embarrassing him.

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Because if, when it's lost, it would be a huge blow to the propaganda and regime as a whole.

>>64232257
All of the War Thunder ziggies would throw a temper tantrum and make Gaijin release a new 100 dollar tank for them.

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>>64232283
I wish I could kidnap all of Gaijin's developers and staff and force them to make War Thunder good

>>64231760
Use what? They had like 3 prototypes and only one kinda works. They can't use something that does not exist.

>>64232055
I had heard that the T-14s were supposedly non-functional and that they canned the project two years ago.

>>64232243
Ah, yes. If only the tsar knew.

>>64231769
Putin wants to show rest of BRICS he can rope-a-dope NATO wonder-waffen with 2nd tier hardware, the sort of which Russian derived gear BRICS currently fields.

>>64232283
Why the fuck is Russian shit leagues better in war thunder’s “realistic military simulation” than real life?

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>>64232512
They only thing he demonstrate is how retarded Russia is and 90% of the Russia Stronk was just smoke blown up everyone asses since the 60s.
The good thing though, he retarded war managed to keep that spic monkey Maduro in line when he sperged out about Guiana.

>>64232102
Every Soviet shitpile is pretty good in Eugen games, the developers are vatniks. Sad, many such cases.

>>64231760
not combat ready yet

>>64231760
I dot think a slightly better tank really matters. Not like Ukraine’s M1 Abram’s are surviving any better.

>>64232116
>Long story short: It was always vaporware. It was something that the Russians wanted to show off to the rest of the world to prove that they were not a paper tiger.
Nope. It was supposed to be the cornerstone of russia's reformed army, both by getting a shiny new tank and, what was even more important, getting back into serial tank production. As in real from scratch production in a factory, not just restoring shit from storage (which is mostly tool assisted manual work in its nature). A big part of this was the size or orders (2000+ tanks were planned to be produced in a relatively quick manner).
The real issue was multi-domain, but the three biggest issues were:
- the whole project, among other things, was planned during the long oil rally on the market, russia was making more and more money each year without doing anything, they've expected $250 per barrel prices by 2018 or something like that, so that insane money never materialized.
- financial and efficiency issues in the russian MIC, decades of mismanagement, corruption and other shit (like the russian state preventing some companies to downsize the staff, but not wanting to pay for retention) caused a ton of money allocated to the project to get spent inefficiently, e.g. to keep the place from falling over instead of making a new tank, so that when the gravy train stopped there wasn't enough to continue working on it;
- lofty design goals, retarded design issues, development hubris and import dependence, they wanted to make something too good after decades of slapping ERA blocks on 1970 shit from storage, they wanted to use a problematic BS engine because they already had it, they were wrong to assume "how hard can it be for us" (forgetting that UVZ was the retarded stepson of soviet tank factories when compared to Kharkiv, Leningrad and Omsk) and so on;

>>64233022
IMPRESSIEV

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>>64233022
>The Heritage Foundation
I would honestly believe RT or Sputnik over any of that goyslop. Let me guess, you're also gonna tell me that Maduro is personally responsible for all the fent getting across the Southern Border, and we need to do regime change in South America (again) to put in OUR tin pot drug dealing dictator who whores out his country's natural resources for pennies on the dollar to (((American))) business interests (again).

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>>64231760
>why wont they use it? What's wrong with it?

It is largely ineffective against nuclear weapons

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>>64233022
>>64233054
>it actually is an ESL shill
Imagine living in a place where you can't shit with indoor plumbing, wipe your ass with decent toilet paper (or a bidet for those of us who got tired of washing bacon strips out of our skivvies), and washing your hands with drinkable running water.

>>64231989
Why wouldnt it be screaming?

>>64231832
No, dronenigger, it’s just not a good tank

>>64233094
>that pic
All right, which one of you was it?

>>64233102
>it’s just not a good tank
Tank autists of /k/, is the design of the Armata fundamentally flawed or is it simply a matter of Russian technology and industry being too degraded and lacking in money to actually build it?

>>64233109
The only parts of it we've seen work are the engine and transmission and turns out they don't actually, so I'd say it's a trashcan fire through and through.

>>64233109
The concept is interesting, mimics Abrams TTB with crew less turret from the 1980s but the execution is russian, so… yeah.

>>64232536
>the CEO are all Russians
that's should be what you need to know

>>64232536
Made by a rusnigger company.

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>>64232536
>russian company even though the hq got moved to hungary for tax reasons
>all emplyees other than freelancer contractors are russian
>their russian playerbase is by far the largest cashcow
I wonder why.

>>64233109
The concept is mostly sound as unmanned turrets allow you to greatly lower weight which is what modern MBTs are suffering from the most, allowing you to either use that weight for increased protection, mounting more electronics or just keeping it low for logistical purposes. The problem is execution as every design decission is questionable at best.
>hardkill APS but it only covers the frontal arc
>same cramped interior that every other russian tank suffers from
>ammo is stowed in the hull, making blowout pannels impossible to mount unless you want your entire turret to be the blowout pannel
And that's not even getting into the other individual systems like FCS, engine, trnasmission, radios, battle managment systems etc since we know next to nothing about them and every detail we know is almost guaranteed to either have their qualities inflated or not match productions specs when leaving the factory door.

>>64232920
M1 Abrams don't survive better than the Armata because the Armata will never be put in combat. Abrams do survive better than all other Russian tanks due to their non-shit ammunition storage.

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>>64232536
special training operation
>ziggers internalize a deadly overconfidence in their tank's abilities
>everybody else forced to learn russian weak spots and limitations

>>64233450
Devilish

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>>64233109
Sort of got to soak it all in as a holistic concept
Its a relatively complicated vehicle, which is fine if you have the deep logistics, technical training and crew training to use such a machine. After you remember were this comes from and which country will be responsible for that, you begin laughing and can't stop for a while.
>Too complicated
>Users are too stupid
>No one can fix the cunt
>Cost is astronomical
>Parts of it can't be made in Russia
>Some parts made in Russia, don't work

>>64233405
We know the engine itself is absolute dogshit and is based on a captured German engine from WW2. They had over 70 years and they still couldn't unfuck it. Of course almost all their AFV engines are based on the Ford inline 6 diesel sent over to them in the 1930s, but at least they work. The worst part about that was the hull was designed around that engine which means when it turned out to be a massive problem child they couldn't simply stuff a new one in. They could have reconfigured the hull to accept a new engine but that would require massive and expensive tooling changes and it was easier to keep throwing money at (and embezzeling funds from) trying to fix the engine.

>>64233513
I feel bad for the poor guys pressed into military service. Donkeys are cute, they don't deserve to suffer the horrors of war.

>>64231760
Anon how many porsche tigers do you think were made? That limits the total number of Armatas to around maybe ten or so because only a few were salvaged in the 40's.

>>64231789
>Now they're rotting in a field.
The armatas or the mobiks?

>>64232243
Very much in style of the original Potemkin villages.

>>64233548
The really sad thing is they're just pet donkeys, they're not the larger, stronger donkeys and mules that can carry more, bit tougher and fitter.
Its sort of like taking someone's Labrador out to hunt wolves with

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The thing is that Russia has such a long history of making bullshit claims and wunderwaffen (that don't actually do what they claim to do) that they now think that "this is how everyone else does it too." that everyone else's weapons are just paper tigers and that they are only for enrichment of generals and MIC. Now, I am not saying that there isn't corruption and graft in western MIC, but the point is that te western MIC weapon ACTUALLY WORK. They have to do what they say they do.

This is the part that is almost incomprehensible to the Russian mind-set. They have done all sorts of potemkin bullshit and "as long as it looks good in the parade field and in propaganda flicks, it's good enough" nonsense for so long that they think that's the norm.

And it isn't, and that's why they are failing so hard. It's almost cargo-cult like mentality, that "if we just LOOK LIKE we are doing what the westoids do, it'lll work somehow". They copy the external strappings of western military, but never get the underlying mechanisms right. And then they think "Well, they are faking it too!"

>>64232536
Its not even the unrealistic performance that is the problem. I stopped playing after I noticed a "bug" after switching to russia after playing germany. Vehicles would not load in correctly on my screen but were shown on screenshots and recordings. Even gave an error message after switiching the trees and it was gone after restarting the game. I checked my recordings and noticed a lot of accidental kills by me and me just missing tanks driving right past me while playing as germany.

>>64232536
In World of Warships, the russian carriers and battleships are among the best, one ship literally shoots stalinium shells (16in with better pen than 20in). Designs written on a dinner napkin have no constraints.

>>64233405
Their whole idea was to:
- prevent the tank from being a pressure cooker for the crew;
- make the tank overall more protected;
- have the space for more electronics and new gun;

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The thing about Russian tank operations right now is not so much the availability of tanks (although it IS an issue) but rather the avalability of tank CREWS.

They have gone through pretty much all the decently trained tank crews, and now it's just a bunch of mobiks and penal legions given a few weeks/months worth of very basic instructions on how to use a tank and then sent to the meat grinder.
Any idea how long it takes to train a proficient tank crew? A year at minimum. And if you want to have a crew that is cabable of manouver warfare and cooperation with other units, it's closer to two years of training time.

But no, a month of training is what you get. They will show you how to make the tank move forward and how to load a gun and shoot it at civillian buildings, and into the Valley of Death you ride.
Western militaries have this silly notion of "crew survivability" and that if the tank gets incapacitated or destroyed, the crew is meant to survive. So that you can put the crew into another tank and continue fighting.

But at the moment, it seems that whoever is sent to the battlefield by Russia ...is not meant to come back. It's a one-way trip. Goida! Goida! Goida!

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>>64231760
More like what isn't wrong with it.

>>64233554
Or?

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>>64233690
I've not seen the defense tyres one

>>64233763
>Or?
There is the marine and aquatic shenanigans available

>>64233595
Even a lot of the western MIC stuff that never makes it out of development or gets cancelled does so because:
1. It got tried dozens or hundreds of times and just doesn't work with current tech, or is so expensive and cumbersome with current tech it's not worth it
2. It turns out what the procurement team asked for is a dogshit design riddled with feature creep that barely performs what it was supposed to do originally
3. Tech changes mean that what's being worked on will be obsolete by the time it reaches serial production

>>64231760
They are needed for the parade. A lot like how Hitler ordered wild designs for propaganda points.

i'm just going to say it because it can't even be argued with at this point
teaming up to stop the germans from wiping out the slavs and colonising their lands in world war two was one of the greatest mistakes that mankind has ever made
we are currently reaping the consequences of it and will continue to do so for the next 1,000 years

>>64231760
What’s NOT wrong with it?

>>64232096
>the "terminator" that got hyped
do what now?

>>64233960
Oh it was supposed to be this super awesome tough trad based ifv that got dunked on immediately in 22 and turned out to be garbage

>>64233764
god damn, this one will be in the top 10 drone kills for sure

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>>64231760
>why won't Russia use their parade float to fight a near peer advisory backed by N.A.T.O.?
OP is such a cute retard.

>>64233963
oh i see, got any links or videos by chance? sounds like a good read

>>64233985
Nah, i didnt start documenting shit til the end of 23 sadly. Pringles march was my wakeup call.

>>64233690
Do we know if Ukraine still has experienced tank crews, or are they facing the same issue?

>>64234083
They actually get trained up in the west, russian training doesnt really compare

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>>64234083
Ukraine doesn't have nearly as much issues with tank crews as Russia does. While they do have some western tanks, most of their tanks are still the same soviet stuff as Russia has. The difference comes from the fact that Russia tries to attack, while Ukies are focusing on defense. That means their tanks are less out in the open and more in dug-out locations, only turrets sticking up from hard cover. This limits the damage that they take, making it much safer for the crews.

Ukies also have much better information, drone coverage network and NATO feeding them up-to-date knowledge about enemy tank movements. So they generally have a better idea of what they are doing and what to expect.
Another thing is the home field advantage to any crew/medevac operations: If the tank (for whatever reasons) becomes inpoerative, they are close to their home lines and usually have a pick-up and medical attention available and ready, if needed. So crew survivability has been much better throughout the war.

I don't think they are suffering from crew losses nearly as badly, and their tank crews in general are better trained than russian ones.

>>64233985
https://t.me/SBUkr/9284
https://en.defence-ua.com/news/it_wont_be_back_ukrainian_military_destroyed_a_rare_russian_bmpt_terminator-9006.html
https://www.twz.com/hasta-la-vista-baby-ukraine-kills-its-first-russian-terminator-combat-vehicle
I wish I was better at archive shit because there were the usual zigger hordes ooking about the pigs were going to get terminated, puccia stronk, this new wonderwaffe will break the line and end the war. Instead we got footage of twin autocannons shaking worse than a KA-52 while firing to the point a few autistic guys determined up to 30 degrees of random deflection. There was one video of one just spraying rounds at a tree line a km away and it looked like skeet loads being fired from a sawed off. Then it got recorded being destroyed, and at least one more has been confirmed. They disappeared after that.

>>64232512
...is it working? Because Russian arms exports have kind of collaped in recent years.

>>64233022
>2021
Lmao, nobody is buying Pantsir after watching how they failed in Ukraine

>>64231760
was it even real?

>>64232093
losing over a million men was a feature?

>>64233004
>(forgetting that UVZ was the retarded stepson of soviet tank factories when compared to Kharkiv, Leningrad and Omsk) and so on;
I've been accused of being a Kharkivite simply for pointing out that UVZ-Kartsev is somehow the most retarded and always has been. Even funnier is UVZ tried to make a whole revisionist history thing dumping on all the other factories and AFV OKBs to elevate themselves.

>>64231760
>What's wrong with it?
>25% casualty rate on a parade
The engine and the transmission for starters.

Looks like the Ukrainian Wunderwaffe works better than the russian one.

Donesk today:
https://files.catbox.moe/mbfn3s.mp4

>>64237417
context?

>>64237417
Holy o'fuck that came in hard

>>64237424
Ukraine used a bunch of their own cruise missiles to hit a Russian command postwhich was located in a metallurgical plant and 2 other things in the city.

>>64237450
damn that's based

>>64237417
air defence?
They didn't even try this time.

>>64237417
Based on battlefield performance, it seems like Russia would already be collapsing if it didn't outnumber Ukraine like four to one.

>>64237466
> would already be collapsing
they are collapsing
their public industry is dying, their oil industry is being destroyed, they need to buy shit from North Korea and China to continue to fight but they do this at a crazy high price.
they are just lucky China needs them to keep the West busy... for now.

>>64232102
Oh man a video game proves it?

>>64237466
also
>Russian military channels admit there’s a worsening fuel crisis in occupied Donetsk and Luhansk. Drivers wait 2–3 hours at gas stations, prices have jumped to 90 rubles a liter, and resellers ask up to 200. Fuel is rationed, so filling a full tank is impossible, and even soldiers are forced to line up with civilians and pay out of pocket.
kinda bad lmao

>>64233080
Tucker has got to be the biggest joke I’ve seen when it comes to this conflict

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>>64232505
Your hatred for the tsar goes quite a lot. I take it you're a fan of Lenin, his works, and the bolsheviks?

>>64237531
>What terminal contrarianism does to a mf
Didn't he also get passed over by the CIA, or was his dad a glownigger? I can't remember which. So many members of the right-wing griftersphere seem to get exposed for fed connections these days.

>>64231760
could the Chinese fix it?

>>64237417
>multiple booms
secondaries or sequential hits?

>>64231760
It doesn't exist, retard

>>64237353
The whole T-72 project came to life because UVZ was incapable (due to worse industrial and human resource capabilities) of making designs from Leningrad and Kharkiv

>>64240126
sounds more like sequential hits. also sequential hits fits the doctrine more in this case, have to launch a lot of shit so something gets through

>>64237466
it's closer to ~2.8:1 but yeah

>>64240490
It's wild how much this ratio has shrunk

>>64237840
>Didn't he also get passed over by the CIA, or was his dad a glownigger?
both

>>64231760
The ability to mass-produce halfway decent tanks is lostech.

>>64233960
It's basically a T-90 hull with this idiotic twin-barreled autocannon turret in the place of the standard one. The idea was that it could provide high-angle fire support to take out infantry hiding in tall buildings during urban operations, presumably a result of their getting raped in Grozny. The problem is that a heavy tank hull with a piddling gun like that is a waste of time, they never survived long enough to make it to urban environments of that kind, and their guns were hideously inaccurate, visibly bouncing around as they fire. Also, the twin-barrel system is because one is HE and the other is AP. Why, you ask? Because the fucking Russians couldn't figure out a reliable dual-feed system like the Bradley's 25mm has.
Anyway, they got fucked because they're functionally worthless in open terrain, which is pretty much all of Ukraine.

>>64237466
Numbers schmumbers, any country with a halfway normal mindset would've thrown in the towel by now.

>>64234083
theyve not lost as many by virtue of fighting defensively with better intel
plus they have new crews on 6 month accelerated training in uk

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>>64237501
dont party until the plague is over. What is important right now is that on the political theater ziggers are winning. with US paralyzed with the orange brain tumor that is a monke simp. Now they are out of the isolation with the alaska failure and as that shanghai summit showed. Europe is fractured but reacting with those with most skin on the line investing heavily into ukraine and preparing for war. while those in the deep rear sending thoughts and prayers

on military spectrum its a complete stalemate. neither side has the strength to overpower the other

on economic front ziggies are losing bad right now. Between the still enforced sanctions and the ukranian kinetic sanctions on their oil its suffocating oxygen out of their war economy. Thing is without political will this will not last. changs are getting more bold openly keeping zegroids in the fight and right now its only a question of time until the agent orange starts feeding them money in one form or another. US sanction enforcement as was at the beginning of 2025 is already discontinued. two week taco is just waiting for the nobel thing to be denied to him before dropping the mask completely

>>64232243
The thing is that those Russian governors get away with it because every official above them does it too, including Putin. If corruption was something he was serious about fighting, he would have done it over the past quarter century he has been in power. Don't mistake coming down on guys like Khodorkovsky, it wasn't that he was corrupt that he disliked, but that his assets weren't controlled by the state and then he went and tried to empower civil society in Russia.

>>64231775
what if monke or an underling realized this and went
>well we have 5k of them, lets use em before they are completely useless
and that was pretty much the whole reason it started and now we are at hitler tier gamblers fallacy status.

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I wonder why

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are you able to perceive reality without the lens of your narcissism?!

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how far does your retardation go

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your feelings about something you want to be true are IRRELEVANT, dont interchange your feelings with rational analysis

I am losing more and more respect for face based cultures

How pathetic are you to think your country is doing great as long as the alpha chimp stands next to some slightly less irrelevant people

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>>64242830
>ITS QUITE EASY TO UNDERSTAND YOU CRYING LITTLE NAZI RETARD !
banned again on Failbook. czech faggot?

>>64242858
I was talking about people like putin and xi acting like two people standing near each other has significance

You troglodytes think and function like early tribal warlords. I have become fully convinced that human culture is not a function of free will, but of genetics, and the progress our species has made from tribal society to modern industrial society was as genetic as the progress wolves made from pack hunters to pastoral herders.

In other words, russians are simply not evolved enough to maintain, or behave as, a modern nation. Perhaps some of them are, but all facts point to soviets and then putin having such people removed ASAP. Like arabs, they will die with their delusions.
>I showed honor. They did not. Do I not win? Is this not how we win? They have been embarrassed. I have shown strength. The war should be over n-*BANG airstrike*

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>>64242872
>YOU BET I AM! (being a saint proclaiming truth is really difficult work)
No, being mentally ill like you is pretty easy, getting cured is what's hard

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>>64242872
Every Russian worth saving already moved elsewhere

We even have your dogs now

>>64242877
Us vs them is a fundamental reality when there are two competing groups. Russia has decided to be "them".

Face, on the other hand, is something unique to unevolved peoples.
>WE STOOD NEAR EACH OTHER! WE ARE STRONG AND RELEVANT! YOU HAVE FEWER PEOPLE STANDING NEAR EACH OTHER, YOU ARE WEAK!
It's very childish behavior to the evolved mind. Literal chest thumping. It's like watching monkeys posture and hoot at people visiting the zoo.

No wonder russia is, statistically, africa with snow, and 2/3s of china is still third world.

>>64242891
Primitive, face based cultures are overly concerned with superficial reputation. It's early man's instinctive combat deterrent. It's how early man structured his loose, largely tribal societies. Entirely on reputation and appearance.

The primitive people will gossip to no end, posture to no end. Never once will they take stock of their material resources, the capability of their country's intellects, their functional technology. No. They are all about "face". Instead they make weapons out of cardboard to look scary to each other, and look strong among themselves, like tribesmen beating spears and shields.

Civilized man has all but lost not just this impulse, but this ability. Not as a function of free will, but genetic tendency. It is incomprehensibly stupid to him.

>>64232512
Idk if "our gear works if you drown your enemies in your own blood" is a good marketing pitch.

>>64242918
You aren't fooling anyone bug-thing. Fuck off back to your hive.

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>>64242925
>>64242925


Those are Xi Jinping words not mine. Just as these:

>>64242929
I don't care. Fuck off back to the hive.

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>>64242918
Appearances, not actions, are at the forefront of their mind. And yet they are still apes.

The face saver will praise peace as he makes war (ineffectively, mind you).

>>64242926
China is committing two genocides (ughyurs and tibetans), providing some backing to the iranian regime, and supporting russia's unprovoked invasion of a european country.

2/3s of xi's country is kept in enforced poverty by the hukou system and he lies so prolifically, he personally approves chinese non-traditional quackery.

Chinese fishing fleets are scraping the ocean floor in other countries waters. A more primitive world would kill everyone on those boats. Xi should be glad he's just one aggressive monkey in a world mostly inhabited by humans, doomed to being treated like a stray dog
>It's dangerous in theory, but, it's kinder to let it be. Why should we feel threatened by a dog?

>>64242926
China not bombing turd world shitholes is not something to be proud of.
it's the duty of the civilized man to bomb backwards goat fuckers

>>64242970
Not even us doing it, it's sand people vs. better-armed sand people, nothing more.

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>>64242948
Gaza is not a genocide. Arabs are widespread. Israel is simply removing terrorists from an arab colony with acceptable collateral after years of rocket attacks. Yes, it looks brutal, but that's what happens when you deal with a population of violent fundamentalists.

This is xinjiang. It is the systematic eradication of a unique ethnicity and replacing them with han chinese. Men are used for labor. Women are forced to marry han and integrated into chinese culture. Refusal to abandon their native culture is punished with violence.

It's similar to the genocide australia nearly completed against the aboriginals.

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>>64242968
OH PLS


WITHOUT COMMUNICATION THERE IS NO LEARNING

DO YOU REALIZE ITS A FORM OF SELF-GASLIGHTNING? SELF-PROPAGANDA?

YOU ARE IT WOULD BE FUNNY IF IT WERENT TRAGIC

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>>64242970
civilization means other peoples lives are not worthy


W
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A CIVILIZED MAN IS A PROUD MURDERER IN YOUR "THINKING"


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>>64242954
whats with vatniks/commies and cats

mythical vermin for mythical vermin i guess
>the cat does not exterminate rats, but it is constantly claimed ot
>the cat is less intelligent than the dog, but the opposite is frequently claimed
>the cat is a domesticated animal bred to desire human contact, but the opposite is frequently claimed

>can not win a war but claims strength
>is more warlike but claims to be peaceful
>exhibits incredibly primitive behavior, but claims to be the shining beacon of civilization

>>64242977
ugyurs didn't even provoke this. they had no fighting force whatsoever. the CCP just decided that people other than han shouldn't exist.

>>64242987
If gaza never fired rockets into israel, they would have never been attacked.

>When the thirdie starts shit: I AM JUSTICE
>When the thirdie loses: SO MUCH FOR PEACEFUL CIVILIZATION

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>>64242988
>whats with vatniks/commies and cats


THATS JUST ME BECAUSE COOMUNISM IS THE FUTURE, CATS ARE SUPERIOR BEINGS AND RUSSIA HAS A RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF

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T-I-G-E-R-S

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oh fugg :DDDD it's a live one :DDDD

>>64242995
Ughyur genocide: Unprovoked systematic eradication of a unique culture because CCP ideology says that unique cultures can not exist in china

Gaza conflict: Arabs living near israel repeatedly attack israel, complain when israel finally attacks back, use child soldiers, then complain israel is shooting children, store explosives in refugee camps, then complain when their mysteriously spicy tents get destroyed with incredible precision, house their family with their arms stockpiles, and then complain when their family dies

Ughyur: Critically endangered
Arab: Least concern

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>>64242994
THEN THERE IS THIS THING CALLED 77 YEARS OF OCCUPATION, APARTHEID AND CONSTANT MURDERING OF EVERYONE BY THE ZIONIST ENTITY

THERE WERE SOME 15 GENOCIDES SINCE THE 1950 DOCUMENTED

GAZA IS THE FIRST LIVE STREAMED AND SERIOUSLY OPPOSED

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Dugin himself posting ITT

>>64243019
China just let all this happen wow, such leadership

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>>64243008
KOTA MEANS CAT


CANT READ THE REST

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I can’t wait for 20 megatons to fall on every Chinese city

>>64243004
>"Cats are superior beings"
>Dumber than a chihuahua
>Nerfed so hard by domestication that they went from never prey as an adult to sometimes jobbing to foxes
>Naturally food for dogs, and even some birds
>Unable to eradicate mice or rats
Vatniks can't even have good taste in animals huh

>>64243019
Who told you that? Israel WON all their land gains in DEFENSIVE wars when arabs attacked them because arabs hate jews. It's pathetically simple.

And yet arabs keep flooding into "palestine". Before jews settled, the population of the entire region was in the low millions. As soon as jews built appreciable civilization all of a sudden a bunch of arabs mysteriously appeared.

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>>64243026
>CANT READ THE REST
then WHY are you spewing communist vomit all over this thread???

>>64243031
>Dumber than a chihuahua
>Nerfed so hard by domestication that they went from never prey as an adult to sometimes jobbing to foxes
>Naturally food for dogs, and even some birds
>Unable to eradicate mice or rats
are you talking about cats or russians

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>>64243023
China at least being sincere about gaza situation

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>>64243022
straight from Kremlin LIVE !

>>64243037
Shut the fuck up schlomo.

>>64243070
sincerity isn't going to unkill all those people chang

>>64243096
>AND THEN WHAT?
Monday night football, beyotch.

>>64243103
>not fascist, they take over other countries first
so fascist

>>64243128
>CONSTANT WAR CYCLES, MISTRUST, WINNER TAKES ALL ATTITUDE, EXCLUSION, SUFFERING FOR MOST PEOPLE
so the USSR?

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>>64243143
good one!

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Imagine being some mentally ill retard who has to post tankie propaganda, while screaming while doing so. bet he does it for free, the absolute 'gawnojed' that he is

>>64243143
I sometimes do wonder how tankies cope with the USSR being imperalist as fuck

>>64243152
the ALL CAPS posting with a break for each paragraph makes me think of a 50 something facebook uncle who drank too much of the communist kool-aid after becoming disillusioned with domestic politics.

>>64233080
It does need to be said that because spics are sub-85 IQ retards being exploited for pennies on the dollar is more economically beneficial for the general population than being "free" and "socialist" which is to say depending on your racially inferior population to produce enough petroleum engineers and geologists to make your only source of income function properly. At least as an American satrapy slumberger and halliburton will do the work for your, just ask the ruskies what happens when they leave, those drunkards can't even maintain their shit and they are white.

>>64232297
man whatever anon did this has some good skills with the fuckin spray can tool in paint. I wanna see more in this style

>>64243172
Its the universal language of the schizo.

>>64243143
>EXCLUSION,
>WAHHH WAHHH LET ME BE PART OF THE COOL CLUB WAHHH

>>64243153
Simple, they just say it didn't happen and if it did everyone else did it way worse and the people taken by soviet imperialism deserved it and liked it

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>>64242837

>>64234083
If I'm not mistaken the main bottleneck for Ukraine's armored assets isn't crews but parts and maintenance personnel. Given the nature of the war for them, paired with how less frequent Ukrainian tank losses are compared to Russia's, I'm willing to go out on a limb and say Ukraine probably has more trained and possibly veteran tank crews currently

>>64242858
>live laugh love and Mr. Beast is for terrorists
brb gotta take my mom and my nephew to homeland security

>>64243103
>be a faggot
>post on /k/
>imply the anons here don't want strife, war, and slaughter
Does this nigger not understand why we are here? Why does all commie and for that matter nazi propaganda assume everybody is some libtard faggot?

>>64231760
they did use it in 2023
not on the frontlines but apparently they found some weaknesses and it went back to the drawning board

as far as i know i havent heard anything about its production

>>64243103
Every attempt at a communism has ended in a single party state where one individual inevitably assumes dictatorial powers, wrong thinkers are disposed of, and anyone who dares to question or challenge the regime disappears. Communism is fascim.

>>64243528
>used it in 2023
They took some lovely propoganda footage of it driving around a field and screaming in agony at being forced to live. The usual ziggers posted footage and bragged about how it was never more over for Ukraine, they got laughed at, and within a week they stopped bragging about it. We're still laughing though.
>some weakness
Like the entire thing being a huge waste of money and entirely dependent on imported electronics to do 75% of what it promised?
>don't know about production
Less than ten running examples exist, and all of those can be considered prototypes because it never entered serial production. It's also all that ever will exist because the project has been canceled.

>>64243555
ok i saw on fighterbomber back then couldnt care less what you think i just wrote what i saw
>Like the entire thing being a huge waste of money and entirely dependent on imported electronics to do 75% of what it promised?

when did this ever happened with any russian military vehicle to start now?

>>64232116
>Long story short: It was always vaporware.
>they didn't want it anyway
we're already at this stage of coping huh

>>64242988
>the CCP just decided that people other than han shouldn't exist.
This is what people ignore about China. China isn't some 'based trad ethnic mono state'. It is dozens of ethnicities all forced under the party yoke. The fact they're all internally persecuted if they're not Han (same deal in Russia with Muscovites) is ignored by champions of China. Granted a lot of people think this is 'based' and what the West should be doing, but that usually counters their 'based trad' opinion. Additionally, most of China is unchanged from the 19th century. The key areas are the ones where there is any modern stuff.

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>>64232512
>Putin wants to show rest of BRICS he can rope-a-dope NATO wonder-waffen with 2nd tier hardware
when is the show starting?

>>64232536
really fucking simple, you can design a star destroyer even if you cant make it, where as western equipment is designed to be actually be produced and used

>>64233632
russian warships arent constrained to reality like everyone who designs their ships to actually be made and used, funny how all the real ships are dogshit whilst all the fictional ships are ridiculous gimmick AIDS

>>64242855
The Czech cries out as he strikes you

>>64234083
They have become leopardboos

>>64243812
And they have the audacity to nerf real statistics like IJN torpedoes being visible from the moon (IRL they are near invisible due to using pure oxygen), Yamato having a worse turning circle than the real thing etc.
Battle of Tsushima really made them butthurt to this day I guess.

>>64244366
>And they have the audacity to nerf real statistics like IJN torpedoes being visible from the moon
is that a recent update?
I played at launch and japanese torps had historically accurate detection radius of half of comparable normal torpedoes

>>64244371
https://wiki.wargaming.net/en/Ship:Torpedo_Data
Sort by detection range.

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Stalinium shells will cut through armor like butter.
What do you mean 16-in shell with 890kg has more penetration value than 20.1-in with 2620kg? Don't ask questions, it's in the soviet sekret documents.

>>64232283
>War Thunder
Can they still play that without going to jail? Last I've heard the devs got into some trouble with the russian government.

>>64231760
it has that late 90s/early 00s vibe désu

>>64244627
The company moved to hungary long ago.
They wouldn't be able to receive money of whaletards if they're in russia.

>>64244627
you're probably thinking of wargaming
https://meduza.io/en/news/2025/06/04/moscow-court-orders-government-seizure-of-russian-video-game-studio-amid-allegations-of-funding-ukraine-s-military

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>>64242948
>pic
Oh come on, Japan already did better China propaganda in the 30s.

>>64243019
>OCCUPATION
Like the Chinese occupation of Tibet?

>>64231760
That's the only one ever built.

They just had to drop their hubris and use 2 UTD engines instead of bolting them together to make the X-monster.
Now it seems they are finally adding a reverser to make the reverse symmetrical (their steering still is basic)

>>64244371
>is that a recent update?
theyve always been the most detectable well for the last 10 years Ive played