Picrel is the Bristol Scout the first fighter in service with the Royal Flying Corps.Designed in 1913 as a reconnaissance aircraft, the Bristol Scout took on multiple roles, most notably that of fighter. While it made a great number of pilots aces, it lacked a synchromesh making firing through the propeller arc particularly hazardous. The British did not have synchromesh technology until 1916, by which the Scout had been long obsolete.Picrel is of fighter ace Lanoe Hawker's aircraft.
>>64238017This is a rather odd one and I would only say that it counts for this thread on a technicality.The Dornier GS.I was an early post-war airliner prototype that was converted from a proposed bomber and reconnaissance aircraft mid-construction following the Armistice, despite its rather ungainly looks and novel construction (it was all metal in a time when wood was still the common material. It was received quite well with ad Astra (the forerunner to Swissair) and KLM trying it out, but upon further trial in Scandinavia there was word that the aircraft was going to be met with inspectors intending to crack down on aircraft development, decided to divert the prototype and scrap it such that the advanced construction techniques would not be revealed.
This is a rather obscure type: the Ponnier M.1, of which only 20 were built.While not much is know, the type was deemed unfit for widespread service despite going into production this occurred upon a test flight where, with Charles Nungesser one of France's most prolific flying aces at the controls, crashed, causing him to break both of his legs and jaw. Other pilots reported stability and engine cooling issues too, so the type never saw combat despite both the French and Belgian armed forces taking on several of the type.Also, SSSSSSSSNNNNNNNIIIIIIIIIIIFFFFFFFFF
All of the aircraft depicted here are of the Royal Aircraft Factory R.E.8.This aircraft was developed by the Royal Aircraft Factory to suit the Royal Flying Corps requirement for a replacement for the Royal Aircraft Factory B.E.2 reconnaissance biplane, which was known to be slow and lacked maneuverability, making it an easy target for German fighter aircraft of that era.The R.E.8, unfortunately, was not much better, while noticeably more maneuverable, it was only marginally faster and, at the hands of often inexperienced crews, accidents were common. It was also not much better in terms of attrition rate to enemy fire, but it had an improved field of fire, which meant that the rate of losses (as questionably as they may be) were slightly less. Nevertheless, over 4000 of the type were produced by the Royal Aircraft factory, the auto makers of Austin, Daimler, Standard and Siddeley-Deasy, as well as by the Coventry Ordnance works, of which two survive to this day.
>>64238092Also, this is my last post for a while, I will be doing a bit more research in the meantime as I would like to know a bit more about some Imperial Russian types, of which I am sure they will be of particular interest to those who might be reading (if there is anyone reading).
>>64238097nice thread anon, I don't have a lot of World War I aircraft saved so other /k/ aviation please post theirs
Bump, I've been getting into WWI aviation after playing Canvas Eagles
I don't know enough about WW1 aviation as I'd like to.All I know its full of mad repressed homosexuals doing crazy things in deathtraps as far as I am aware.
>>64238017Based OP, I've had a hard on for WW1 combat aviation and Sopwith Camels since reading Biggles books as a boy.
fishe :)
Austro-Hungarian UFAG Hansa-Brandenburg bomber.
UFAG was one of the more notable aircraft manufacturers of the KuK empire. I love their poster.
>>64238017>8017 [Reply]▶>Picrel is the Bristol Scout the first fighter in service with the Royal FlyingThe Bristol Scout would have been a beast with synchromesh firing
>>64238886The zeppelin appears to be wearing the "Spotted Cow" camouflage, which dates this image to early 1916. As I am sure you can assume the camouflage pattern got this nickname because of its resemblance to a cow, though, coincidentally the gasbags used around 250000 cow intestines in order to make them. The pattern was not very effective as the paint reflected moonlight.I will also share today's first aircraft, the Anatra Anadva. Like the Junkers G.S.I, this is a type that counts on a technicality. Additionally, I could only find Russian resources on it, but luckily I know a bit of the language and whatever I could not translate I used a dictionary for.The Anadva is a development of the Anatra Anade, using two airframes connected in between with a new center section. In many ways, it shares much of the same concept of the F-82 and Bf-109Z from WWII, except the Anadva was intended to be a bomber, rather than a heavy fighter (the concept of a heavy fighter is chiefly a mid-late WWII idea).The type was expected to enter service in 1917, with construction starting early that year, but due to the Russian Revolution, construction was suspended until sometime between 1920 and 1922.In 1921, the aircraft, near completion was given the name of Cтaдo cлoнoв, or "the heard of elephants", due to its imposing and clumsy-looking appearance. After only two flights it was severely damaged when a Nieuport landed on top of the type while it was on the ground. It was not repaired until 1923, when after a few more flights, the aircraft made in emergency landing in a farmer's field after both engines having failed and the airframe structure having been compromised due to particularly rough handling by the test pilots, who operated this bomber much like a fighter aircraft. Luckily the aircraft was repaired in less than an hour and then flown back to the airfield. It was then retired and disposed to a flight school where it served as a ground trainer for mechanics.
>>64239569>fisheYes, however, the Germans themselves thought that the aircraft from the Roland firm were, in fact fish-like in appearance with two types: the Roland C.II, the Walfisch, or Whale, and the Roland D.I, the Haifisch, or Shark.The Roland C.II (picrel) earned its nickname from the rather large, bulbous fuselage, resembling that of a whale. These aircraft were unique in that the fuselage was skinned in two layers of plywood, making them particularly resilient with regards to battle damage, especially from small arms fire. This also made the fuselage able to bare greater loads, hence cabane struts (i.e the innermost struts which hold the top wing to the fuselage and often, with the aid of rigging cables bear much of the load of the top wing) were eliminated. Aircrews grew quite fond of the type (used in reconnaissance and escort fighter roles) and often used to have faces painted on them typically to make it look like a whale (these were not like the aggressive shark mouths seen on aircraft in WWII and after and it was more just something that aircrews did for fun).The Roland D.I and later the D.II were called the haifisch, or shark, was a slimmed down version of the C.II, meaning that it had a more shark-like resemblance. Much of the construction was the same, though the interplane (or outer) struts were simplified. These aircraft served as fighters and were similarly well-liked. No, there is no evidence of shark mouths being painted on this type.I guess I should talk about German aircraft designations, but that is for the next post...
German aircraft designations:A Monoplanes 1914-1915B biplanes, especially trainersC multiplace biplaneCL lightweight multiplace biplaneD Doppeldecker (biplane) fighterDJ Armoured doppeldeckerDr Dreidecker (triplane) fighterE Armored Eindecker (monoplane) fighterF Armored dreideckerG twin engined biplane bomersGL lightweight twin engined biplane bombersJ Liaison and Attack (the first multirole aircraft)K see G (early designation)L heavy bomberN Night bomberR large bombers up to six engines>>64239691It really would have been, it lacked the durability of later types, though.Also, picrel is a Roland D.I Haifisch from the previous post.
>>64239674>KuK airpower>KuKhehehehe
>>64239945UFAG defends the KuK Empire, though.
>>64239959hehehehehehe
This is another novel type, this one from Austria-Hungary.The PKZ-2, is considered to be an early helicopter, though it was tethered and not independently controlled. It was intended as a replacement for the dangerous hydrogen filled observation balloons in use at that time. As novel and as well designed as it was, the Le Rhone engines powering the PKZ-2 were prone to issues and a test flight in front of officials resulted in a crash following the observer panicking and throwing the aircraft out of stable flight. It was repaired, but was not brought into service. After the war, the Italians confiscated it and used it for scrap components, scrap and kindling.
>>64240012The letter K in PKZ is Theodore von Karman, to make it even more interesting. >>64239945>>64239959>>64239960
The (in)famous Hungarian ace Károly Kaszala, seen here as he is recharging his personal Albatross D.III with his based energies. Kaszala was one of the surprisingly few Austro-Hungarian pilots who received the German Iron Cross. Apart from his flying abilities, he was also noted for his absolute recklessness, wacky antics and being absolutely insufferable.
Ferenc Gräser on the prowl. With 18 certified kills to his name, Gräser was the second most successful Hungarian WW1 ace. He also may have been the most successful fighter pilot who never had a pilot license.
>>64240541>AlbatrosAre you sure that that is not a Pfalz? I cannot tell if that is the engine or a fairing for the engine.
>>64241060Nope, definitely an Albatross D.III. Oeffag Albatrosses from Wiener Neustadt had a slightly different engine fairing as they had Austro-Daimler engines instead of Mercedeses.
>>64241142Alright, that makes sense.Also>UFAG>KuK Empire>Oeffag
>>64240541> Dr Pavel> I'm K.u.K
Based thread, there are some I like as well:>The AEG G.IV was a biplane bomber aircraft designed and produced by the German aircraft manufacturer Allgemeine Elektrizitäts-Gesellschaft. It saw action during the First World War with the Luftstreitkräfte (Imperial German Army Air Service).
>>64241142based Osprey enjoyerhave an unfinished Oeffag D.III on meI'm sure it's a full flying replica by now
>>64241547Osprey rules, reminds me that I have a $35 book voucher.
>>64240541>wacky anticsGo on...
>>64242411For starters, he looked like this.
And this. Many of his superiors during the war hated him. He was notoriously insubordinate, reportedly refused to fly planes he didn't like, wouldn't wear pants that were not white and could only sleep if the doors were locked. It took time to find him a commanding officer who could put up with him. The reason why he wasn't booted out of the air force back to the infantry was that he was genuinely a talented pilot and a very courageous individual.
During the war, he flew with Fliegerkompanie 41, a kind of an elite squadron of the Monarchy and he served with Godwin Brumowski and Frank-Linke Crawford, some of the finest fighter pilots of His Imperial and Royal Majesty. Fun fact: Filegerkompanie 41 appears to have had a kind of a rivalry with Fliegerkompanie 42, another elite squadron. It is odd that Kaszala wasn't assigned to FliK 42, the squadron appears to have had a considerable Hungarian element to it. During the war, Kaszala was reassigned to a test pilot position due to 'battle fatigue', flew for the short-lived Hungarian Soviet Republic in 1919 and led a kind of a nationalist Freikorps militia in 1921 in a battle against the Austrian gendarmerie. Throughout the 1920's he was an accomplished flight instructor (he taught Horthy's son to fly and the guy later became a pretty decent fighter pilot), sports flier, motorcycle racer and, well, the tabloid press was full of his weird business deals and womanizing. Speaking of womanizing, he ultimately found a wife, who also became a trained pilot/instructor. Kaszala seems to have been one of the very few people in Eastern Europe at the time who had his own private plane, he bought it from his severance package after he quit a job at a banking consortium. A Brandenburg. I hope it was an UFAG-Brandenburg, because it would be funny. He usually appeared at air shows and almost every single time, he would receive huge fines for breaking regulations, because fuck you, I'm Kaszala and I fly as I please. He also liked to dress up. His favorite costume was a cowboy costume and he had a cowboy persona by the name "Tom Mix". At another time he showed up at the Budapest Derby in a 19th century aristocrat costume, at other times he walked around as a big game hunter with a pith helmet. He may or may not have been a cosplay-enthusiast if he lived today.
>>64239913Pretty unique thing about it was that it was one of the few aircraft to be tested in a wind tunnel.
>>64241964You could purchase the Austro-Hungarian aces book (46) if you only have the Albatros aces (110) one.>pic very related, not sure how far this one is a finished project by now
>>64245825Is this in New Zealand?
>>64245825>>64241547Unfathomably based. I would do abominable, unnatural, loathsome and deranged things to have my own workshop, so that I can have a project like this.
>>64245912>>64245873In the middle of Yuropoor, the workshop has moved to another location but is still openFor about 150k a replica can be yours, all registered and legal
>>64245951Which middle part of Yuropoor?
>>64246178in the heart of where it all began, Austriastan
>>64246206Óbazdmeg>tfw MagyarországRight next to us. I wish I had the carpentry know-how for such a project.
>>64246226sziaigen, there's some serious know-how involvedif you're good at pipe organ making, esp. woodwork or at forming fuel tanks you're good
>>64246328It is sad that these planes are not common today. With the kind of tools today's workshops work with, it should be cheap and piss easy to make a vintage flier. Give it a modern engine, make some adjustments on the design to make it safer to fly and Bob's your uncle, UFAG's your biplane. It doesn't even need to be particularly expensive. And besides, if this kind of flying was more accessible to the common people, the world would be a better place.
>>64248932This is why you can buy kit planes for WWI aircraft.
>>64248957True, but even those are a bit rare and expensive. A shame, really... Pic semi-related, the replica of a Lampich L-2 sports plane from the 1920's. The aforementioned Károly Kaszala established a new endurance record with it in what was the ultralight category at the time. The original L-2 could stay in the air for nine hours straight.
>>64239908I am also quite certain that's a Q class zeppelin as well, because I'm building a 1:350 of one in that scale in that camo.Which is also baffling to me. All the woodland-like patterns are on the UNDER side of the ship. I know Navy height-climbers would just go all-black towards the end of the war but what was the Army thinking giving this thing a forest camo on the wrong sidepic rel, kit I'm working on. Don't attempt unless you like photoetch, it's driving me crazy
>>64249012I tried my luck with that one and I failed, precisely because of the photoetch-part. The shame still haunts me.
>>64248932I'd not say it's piss-easy. Building light and rigid wooden frames is an art, especially if you want them to be both historically accurate and aviation-legal in modern times.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IyK02VJciIFound the D.III and C.I flight video.>>64248957Ultralight kits are nowhere near the originals.
>>64249012>TakomI have heard enough horror stories about the company's kits. Or was that Border? Either way, I would probably have avoided it.I have thought about the Mark I kit, though.>>64249116This is true, they always seem to use a Rotax, even the full size kits use a radial or opposed instead of a rotary engine (not to be confused with a wankel for any /o/tists).
AGO C.IV, a rather rare spotter biplane with only around 70 produced. It was rather fast, but difficult to handle, and the crews weren't big fans.
>>64242633>wouldn't wear pants that were not whiteWell, Werner Voss reportedly sometimes did fly wearing fine silk shirts and his Pour le Merite medal, saying that if he got capured he wanted to look good for the ladies in Paris.Unfortunately he wasn't captured but eventually died in an epic seven-to-one fight, among the enemies being the aces James McCudden and Arthur Rhys-Davids. (one of the allied planes was shot down and -all- remaining were damaged). Rhys-Davids, who is credited with the kill, allegedly was sad that he could not bring down Voss alive.Rhys-Davids died around one moth later not far away. As neither he nor Voss could be retrieved, they have their final resting places not far from each other.
>>64250846>that if he got capured he wanted to look good for the ladies in Paris
>>64250867German pilots fucked HARD in WW1. Gunther Pluschow made it from Tsingtao, all the way across the US, and through bongistan by seducing women and crashing on their couches. Even Goring was a gigachad before he got addicted to meth and got fat.
>>64250846Heard about him. He may even have been more formidable than Richthofen.>Rhys-Davids died around one moth later not far away. As neither he nor Voss could be retrieved, they have their final resting places not far from each other.They dine together in Valhalla.
>>64250977Goring was a gigafag.
>>64250215You also have to ditch some historic details for an ultralight kit, whereas with a full-blown replica you can go as far as using modern glue and doing the rest historically correct. Hide glue doesn't fly with the authorities these days.>>64250977>>64251677Göring also made claims about his affiliation with Richthofen that aren't true
>>64250977Goering was addicted to morphium
Hansa-Brandenburg D.1 "Spider", which was developed by Germany, but used by Austria-Hungary, who obviously did not find it suspicious that almost no German unit used this plane. It had serious handling problems, and reportedly more pilots died because of accidents than because of enemy fire. The Austrian Phönix corporation developed the Phönix D-series from it, which at least had better flying characteristics.
>>64242723>he taught Horthy's son to fly and the guy later became a pretty decent fighter pilotNow I just want bios of all the weirdoes who flew in the East
>>64238873"If you can fly a Sopwith Camel you can fly anything." James Bigglesworth.
>>64253357I'm excited for the replica's maiden flight
>>64250215Honestly the build quality on the kit isn't that bad, no trouble with flash, everything fit nicely. My main gripe (apart from the photoetch, which is used to hold the prop drive shafts and gondolas in place, but with photoetch I mostly just need to git gud) is the supplied stand sucks total ass. Two separate single columns about the size of a chess pawn for a model over a half metre in length. Whole thing will come crashing down if you sneeze in the wrong direction. So I'm just going to get a block of wood and some dowels and just mount it on there.Wish there were more 1:350 rigid airship kits, I'd love to build one of the R34 (get your mind out of the gutter)
>>64254133I'd build a ZRCV. Fun fact: Goodyear Zeppelin Corporation seriously considered building these.
>>64250977>Even Goring was a gigachad before he got addicted to meth and got fat.Meth makes you skinny. Göring got addicted to opiates.
>>64254148What about the USS Akron and Macon. Aren't those technically this concept?
>>64239674>ufagn-no i not
>>64254490Pretty much a forerunner to this, yes.
>>64238588they weren't *all* gay, many were bisexuals who were also mad drunken womanizers as well
I was reading the other day about the Calthrop parachute system. Interesting design. The parachute was in a canvas bag under the aircraft and would deploy once the pilot was well clear of the aircraft. This was better than some early war designs that would deploy straight out of the cockpit risking you getting entangled in the tail and turning into a human towed banner. Clive Collet tested it in 1916 jumping from a B.E.2. Later Major Orde-Lees (the posh army officer from the Shackleton's Endurance Expedition who McNish hated with a fiery passion and iirc considered killing with a carpenters Adse) did a static jump from tower bridge. I find it interesting that all the elements of the later WW2 Type-S "jump jump johnny" seat parachute were in place by 1918 even the quick release harness but it took some time for them to be put together and get adopted as standard.
>>64238097Great effort posting.
>>64257887Neat. Any more stories?
>>64248932If you want to build something of the interwar era, there is the Pietenpol Air Camper. Plans and kits are still available, the design has been updated to modern standards while still keeping as much as possible original.
>>64261133>Air CamperWho the heck came up with that name?
