>According to a Danish newspaper, Denmark is recommended to acquire the Franco-Italian SAMP/T NG system because, based on several parameters, it is considered to be a better fit for the Danish Armed Forces than the Patriot system.>The Patriot system is estimated to cost twice as much, if not more. Furthermore, it needs more manpower to be operated.>According to the Ministry of Defence officials, it is estimated that it may take several years before the Americans can deliver all the missiles that the Danish Defence requires to shoot down threats. The SAMP/T NG system is especially advantageous in terms of the speed of missile delivery. The Danish Armed Forces estimate that the American missiles may arrive one or more years later.>According to Danish media reports, the SAMP/T NG is also favoured because weapons, missiles, and spare parts can be transported more quickly and easily by truck around the EU than across the ocean.
>>64250114Lead time?
Weapons buys are 75% geopolitics, 15% price and 10% capability.What does that mean? individual purchases are meaningless if you ignore their planning for the next 30 years, even if retards cherry pick some of them to back their agenda
>>64250136See western European IRBMs in the 80s?
>>64250150You mean the S missiles of France? because the rest wasn't allowed to develop nukes and IRBMs.For non-continental Europe, bongs, they killed most of their military projects during the late 1950s, BM (Blue Steel) and aircraft, in part because the US with the Skybolt bait, that ended giving them access to Polaris.
Pretty surprising as Denmark has always brought what US told them to.
>>64250197I kinda was making a point that wasn't 100% on-topic. The deployment of nuclear IRBMs and nuke-tipped Tomahawks in Italy and West Germany in the 80s was less about capability and more about geopolitical games with the Kremlin.
>>64250114I think this makes sense based on other articles I've seen saying there are so many Patriot orders from various countries that production can't fill them all quickly. Denmark may have looked at the time to fulfill their Patriot order and decided on something else. The rest of it is fluff to make it seem like the other system is better so they don't feel demoralized
>>64250206Well the Orangutan's antics earlier this year may have soured that relationship somewhat
>>64250206Denmark is basically the owner of Greenland, so, you know...
>>64250114PAC-2 is definitely better than SAMP/Tthere's no way Patriot is twice the price of SAMP/Tobviously this is simply because of "buy European"
>>64250114>tfw diplomatic shit flinging can have consequences
>>64250206They're free to spend their money on a less capable system if they think the money saved is worth it.
>>64250320Aster 30 missiles are surprisingly cheap.
>>64250206There's that little island called Greenland...
>>64250742well, they have slightly less performance compared to SM-6, its closest American counterpart.officially, Aster 30 B1 is 5 metres long, weighs half a tonne, and reaches out to 120kmofficially, SM-6 1A is 6.6 metres long, weighs 1.5 metric tonnes, and reaches out to 370kmtwice the price, yes, but for three times the range. SM-6 also has better anti-ballistic capability.
>>64250827They had a roadmap for a complete Aster family, but as a local project they needed partners to justify the cost, that was pre 2022 when everybody was buying Patriot, NASAMS or nothing.
>>64250206Such as?
>>64250835I'm quite awarein principle I think a robust and competitive European defence industry is a good thingI just think Aster Block 2 should have been a thing five fucking years ago, that's all
>>64250401>Buying missile from people trying to invade youAnon...
>>64250206Yeah, then the US started to threaten to invade Denmark
They're buying frigates that will probably be using the same missiles. Either France's FDI, or Britain's Type 31
>>64250206>childish trumpino and his cronies openly discuss invading your territories>US goes for a little skirmish over yemen and ysrael and suddenly their stockpiles start to thin>drunken pete in pentagon orders all deliveries halted>allies don't get missiles they ordered years in advance>US openly talks about remotely turning off US-made tech like fighters and anti air systems>ooooh aaaah why those pesky Euros don't want to trust our military techArt of the deal
>>64250206>Pretty surprising as Denmark has always brought what US told them to.FYI, in nordic cultures you can build trust with actions over time and reap the benefits even as an ousider (non-scandinavian, non-family, different race) and even distance yourself easily - but BETRAYAL of that trust is remembered for a long fucking time, heavily.No amount of ass kissing will save you, it's simply GONE.
>>64250847And SYLVER should be offering more quad-pack options (ex. VL MICA NG), and an MU90-tipped version of the VL SCALP.
>a couple of years to receive the missiles is considered too lateWe are going to be at war soon right EUbros. First EU vs Russia, later China and US
>>64250206>Pretty surprising as Denmark has always brought what US told them to.That ended pretty quickly once US demanded Greenland in payment.
>>64250114No shit. Patriot has more customers already.
>>64251418Feels like the USA will sit it out even if Taiwan gets invaded.
>>64251378bla bla blacall me when the Scandis do something about mudslimes raping everything in sight
>>64250114Good. Reliability and growing military industrial base are more important than few percentage points in perceived theoretical capabilities. It will shoot down whatever russians have and it's enough.
>>64250827The Aster 30's biggest potential advantage, given its low weight (550 kg, or around 1210 lb), and relatively compact size (180 mm, or ~7.1'', diameter), is that, with the proper packaging and vehicle choice, you could theoretically create a Buk-style heavy tactical SAM. This is currently a massive gap in Western capabilities: you have a bunch of short- and short-medium SAMs, then the BIG NIGGER Patriot THAAD emplacements, which lack true tactical mobility (despite the best efforts of ukie operators). And nothing in-between. Having a tracked TELAR with 4 A30B1NT would both cover that gap, and provide a more tactically flexible/redeployable alternative to lugging a Patriot (or equivalent) around.
>>64253819SAMP/T is already mounted on a wheeled TELARI'm not sure if a tracked chassis is strictly necessary>B1 NTiinm the NT is a full size 21" missile. honestly no different from mobile Aegis Ashore launching SM-6 1Bs
Europeans realizing they should have been making their own shit this whole time after being told to do so for decades feels like when you get a bratty teenager to finally clean their room but they try to make you out to be the bad guy.
>>64252685I think that happens waaaay less than one is led to believe, and I say this as an American.
>>64254046it happens at least an order of magnitude more than if they weren't thereI'm not ranting, I'm being perfectly rational: just look at the official statisticsthe numbers are published, people just refuse to read them, or tacitly ignore them, or invent "justifications" like "they come from another culture, they don't understand ours">wait what? are you saying in their culture rape is permitted?
>>64254039And when France literally does what you advocate by its own shit precisely because he got the right all along award, you shit on them for doing their own thing instead of buying AmericanMake up your fucking mind schizo
>>64254039Remember when Germany started developing a stealth fighter in the 80s and the US put pressure on the German government to force them to cancel the project?
>>64254054>>64254055Here come the Euschizos trying to justify failing to meet NATO dues for decades
>>64254039reminder that if the yuropoors had done as Trump said in his first term and invested 3% of GDP in rearmament, i.e. FIVE YEARS before February 2022, Russia would either never have invaded, or Ukraine would be so hilariously well-equipped the zigger casualty count would be ten times what it is today
>>64254054>increasing European defence spending and readiness means you must only buy French and nothing butmost cooperative Fr*nch "ally"
>>64254069>Russian invasion of Ukraine is 2022
>>64254076Yes we get that Crimea happened earlier, why did Europe continue to buy Russian gas after that?
>>64254076obviously I meant 2022 and not 2015, faggotbut okay, if you want to play that way, I can too. if Europe had literally not reached rock bottom in defence spending in 2014, but had maintained a proper deterrent in the preceding decades, Russia wouldn't have invaded then eitherpedantic enough for ya, you dozy cunt?
>>64254039Us has actively manipulated against European arms industry because it was direct competitor.
>>64254147>Schizophrenic excuse number 2398742398234Reminder, your countries were doing so poorly in the mid 2010s for defense spending and you were buying Russian gas that Russia invaded Ukraine.
>>64254149Completely diffent issue. USA speficially wanted Europe to buy their weapons Russian resources has nothing to do with it.
What MAGA streamer got blown up tonight?
>>64254093Why would ziggers care about NATO's spending when Ukraine is not related to them? They would have invaded either way, ask Chechenia or Georgia. And even if 10% of GDP went into defense, you'd see the exact same "it might have been a mistake" response over Poland getting droned. Literally inconsequential to irrational Russians actions.
>>64254178Learn to read>or Ukraine would be so hilariously well-equipped the zigger casualty count would be ten times what it is today
>>64254147>>64254158>increasing European defence spending and readiness means you must only buy American and nothing butAverage Yuropoor IQ
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>>64254074Yes.
>>64250206Turns out that behaving like monke makes people become anti-monke.
>>64252685What does this have to do with buying patriots? Fuck off with your bullshit argument.
>I will bullly and hint at attacking countries which have been trustworthy friends and allies for generations>I will also base my economics and tariffs policy purely on my morning mood>wtf why does nobody want to buy your stuff anymore? whatever, we don't need you anywayThe Shart of the Deal, indeed
>>64254300>What does this have to do with buying patriotsNothing; it was a response to Mr "HURR DURR SCANDI PRIDE NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSIT"Claiming that you're standing up for your national pride by buying SAMP/T in response to the POTUS's remarks while not getting rid of the filth walking around your streets attacking your women is the most pathetic form of hollow chest-beating
>>64254186https://www.euractiv.com/news/pentagon-warns-eu-against-blocking-us-firms-from-defence-fund/Back in 2019 when the EU first launched its plan of buying weapons using money from the EU budget, Trump complained that this excluded US companies.
Did we do something to hurt Russia again?
>>64254808Yeah so they should've just told him to fuck off and just fucking bought something already instead of just talk about itLead, follow, or get the fuck out of the way
>>64254835Why complain in the first place then?
>>64250114What's their target set? What threats are they concerned about? Why has nobody said anything about that yet?For example, if their primary concern is cruise missiles/OWA stuff on a very short timeline, then it makes perfect sense to grab whatever's cheap/available and can still get that job done. Sure, procurement is almost always influenced by politicians in one way or another, but that doesn't mean that every procurement decision has to boil down to nothing but politics.
Pretty smart desu.I hope Poland axes those retarded F-35 and AH-64 Apache purchases.The Orange Monke is even repeating Kremnlin propaganda how the drone spam into Poland could have been Ukrainian disinfo..
