The Golden Age returns: this week, Trail Boss powder returned to the US market, with MidwayUSA selling out nearly instantly.Also, Handloading General? Do the people here even handload for the guns they don't own (because /k/ is a [current thing] board now)?
>>64250974theres still hand loading, just expensive right now so a lot has slowed down
It was a good meme powder, but I'm fairly confident in not double loading win 244 anymore.
Got a 460 xvr collet crimp die in yesterday. Looking at building up a 45lc load with 230gn rn hardcasts…. Maybe cfe pistol powder? Looking for 850-1000 fps range out of an 8 inch barrel…. Would like to get trail boss to play with but it’s a bit inflated price wise at the moment
>>64250986>meme powderIt's incredible for literally anything that isn't an autoloader, what are you talking about brother.
>>64250999Its a crutch for people too scared to pick up a reloading manual for reference starting loads on powders that are in stock.
>>64250997>trail boss to play with but it’s a bit inflated price wise at the momentIt's not as expensive as it seems because you use less powder for the loads. Bite the bullet, anon. We need more people buying it so they don't stop production for years like last time.
>>64251003What a foolish remark. I shouldn't entertain it but here we go:Trail Boss is excellent firstly for cartridges that were originally designed for black powder, like 45 Colt or 45-70 Gov't which are too large for full volume loads with modern pressuresTrail Boss is excellent secondly for reduced loads in all cartridges because the elimination of empty air space increases ignition reliability and thus leads to more consistent velocity, and (more importantly) all but eliminates the possibility of squibs.
>>64251023As I said, a crutch for people who dont want to measure powder.
>>64251004I’ll get some eventually just for my 444 marlin loads for my lone eagle…. Trying to make lighter recoil loads in that without having a ton of empty case capacity is… tricky
>>64251023>too large for full volume loads with modern pressures>reduced loads in all cartridges because the elimination of empty air spaceYeah, so that's why I also used it for 38 special some years ago, and then it ran out, so I bought titegroup and it worked just fine except there was so much air in the case I was paranoid, plugging every loaded case with bullet immediately, no open cases with powder allowed. Then I eventually tried 244 and it was like titegroup but also cleaner.
>>64251035Oh, you can't or won't actually support your argument, my mistake. Have a (you). Thanks for bumping the thread!
>>64250974>Burger market prioritized>boomer fudds will buy this shit by the pallet and just hoard it >It'll probably take another 2 or 3 years before this shit is widely available in Europe again>MFWFuck my life.
>>64251043Ive made my argument succinctly twice, without needing a paragraph.
>>64251035All powders have their uses anon. If you want low power precision loads in big cases trail boss is a good option.
>>64251046LolLmao, even
>>64251041If you have a single shot or want to single-feed with straight wall cartridges, you can just seat the bullet way down in the case and don't really need Trail Boss. But it shines most in lever guns which need the bullet profile to feed properly.>>64251046Americans pay for 80%+ of the European defense budget, you have no right to complain.>>64251048I have an old trap door Springfield that I don't want to shoot black powder through due to the corrosion properties. So tell me, what powder can be loaded to full volume in a 45-70 case while maintaining black powder trapdoor pressures? Because according to you, all I have to do is "measure powder properly".
>>64251054Why this insistence of full volume loads?
>>64251054>Because according to you, all I have to do is "measure powder properly".I'm not the guy you're replying to but yeah, that is all you have to do. There's zero reason to worry about "loading to full volume". That is a pointless self-imposed restriction.
>>64251054Just pick up a reloading guide anon... you can reload all these older rounds all the.time with powders that arent perpetually out of stock.
>>64251059>>64251064>>64251068Answering a question with a question is not a good look. We already covered this: it's for more consistent velocities. Every chambering in existence was developed to be loaded to the volume it was developed for. Cartridge developers do not intentionally add extra case volume for no reason at all, that would be foolish.Now, answer the question: what smokeless powder do I use for full volume on my trap door Springfield?According to you, all I need to do is measure properly. But what powder do I use, assuming I measure properly?
>>64251080You do not need full volume loads for consistency.You could use almost any slow burning powder to fill the case.
>be me>waiting for trail boss for years>come to this thread>smoothbrains don't even get the point of it or understand why it's beloved If this is some reverse psychology to get people to stop buying trail boss, then cool but if you guys are actually retards and don't see the point then I pity you and you don't deserve trail boss so I am glad you aren't buying it
>>64251088Im just baffled that people can't figure out how to measure powder.
>>64251080>We already covered this: it's for more consistent velocities.Post your data showing that this is a real problem you are actually experiencing, or admit you're hung up on your autism.> Every chambering in existence was developed to be loaded to the volume it was developed for.That's not for consistency, it's for space efficiency with the intended powder. If you're using a different powder that goes out the window.>Cartridge developers do not intentionally add extra case volume for no reason at all, that would be foolish.Irrelevant. Especially in the context of new powders being invented that didn't exist when cartridges were first designed, as is the case with .45-70.>Now, answer the questionStop being silly.>But what powder do I use, assuming I measure properly?4198, Norma 200, RL-7, Accurate 2015, 3031, 4895.... I can be more specific if you bother to mention your projectile weight and intended purpose. I'm assuming this is for extended range target matches given your insistence on consistent velocity? I can give you a good rec if you share what bullets you're using.
>>64251093You know you can measure trail boss too, right? Right anon? It's no different than all other smokeless powder in that regard. Except that it has by far the lowest density of any powder. It is the closest thing we have ever (and probably will ever) have to a truly 100% non-corrosive black powder substitute, which just happens to work in modern chamberings too.
>>64251106>Post your data showingIt goes without saying. If your rifle is tipped at a different angle, the air space volume changes shape, and burn rates change. This does not happen with full volume loads. This is a fact. You cannot deny this. You are a fool if you even attempt to.>That's not for consistency, it's for space efficiencyWhich means, as we covered above, consistency. Thank you.Now, move the goalposts further, and ask me to post my guns or my reloading setup. Let's hear it, so you can lose the final ounce of credibility.
So…. What’s everyone been reloading?
>>64251491Mostly .308 match rounds but did some .455 Eley as well.
>>64251491Been turning cheap target loads into slugs. I cut the crimp, melt the shot, cast it into something else. I have a roll crimp that holds the slugs in place.
Do the powder and primer prices go doen over there?
>>64251522They go up then coast down but rarely to the point they started at…. Right now a lot of stuff is coming back in stock… finally seeing bullets other than Hornady at the local farm store… could usually find some at a dedicated gun store… now the dedicated gun stores have a decent supply.. at least around me.. picked up a 250 count pack of berrys 158gn 38cal rounds a few weeks back from Sportsman’s warehouse for example
>>64250974I bought 50 ae brass to make ammo so I have an excuse to get one.
Can any of you senior reloaders share a good 45 bullet source? Preferably hollow point, ideally something like rmr nuke but in .451, but target hollow point is good too, I just want something that cuts holes not tears.
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>>64251023>>64251049Would it be a good choice for a low powered 9mm load? I want to make the softest shooting 9mm I can to cycle in my P38s, one of them is an aluminum frame early variant without the reinforcing bar.
>>64251023>Trail Boss is excellent secondly for reduced loads in all cartridges because the elimination of empty air spaceSo a powder company invented a powder that makes bullets slower than other powder, and you have to buy more of it because you have to use more of it. And you're excited about this ?
>>64253423Just use less powder.
>>64253312If your trying to cut holes in paper then you’d want wadcutters.. wide and flat…like a hole punch…. Otherwise the Hornady xtps work pretty good without shedding bits if you don’t run them too fast.. lot of different weights out there, just kinda pricey.
>>64253423It would work but for 9mm you could just use something more common and use less…. 9mm doesn’t have a ton of extra case capacity compared to what you run into with prior black powder rounds
>>64251160I wonder if we could test this… what about using something like paper drinking straws cut to length and capped with a piece of paper to seal it…. I could try loading some 45LC to a low case fill… do half without straws so the powder lays flat and doesn’t form a solid column for the reaction to move through allowing it to move across the flat top, and the other half with a straw held centered above the primer, sealed and filled with the reduced charge…. I know the risk of using low case fill with positional powder is pressure spikes… but hell I’ve got that Alaskan and now a 460 x frame to shoot it out of both of which can tank spicy 454 or worse…. Might be interesting to try just to see how much it affects the consistency between rounds…. Can’t imagine a paper cut straw affects the available volume in a meaningful way provided the primer is centered under it, and that would keep a light charge in a packed column shape…. I’ve heard of using cream of wheat or something like styrofoam to fill extra case capacity to keep powder from shifting, but I’d imagine that might affect the available volume more than the paper straw would….
>>64253627It was tested quite a few decades ago.Unless you are doing super light charges in big cases it's not an issue.
>>64253627Just sharpen a case with a deburring tool and cut some cardboard wads.Press them down over the charge to the bottom of the case and voilà.
>>64253658Honestly with 444 marlin running pistol and faster rifle powders it’s a pretty decent possibility
>>64250974>Handloading General?Sure, let me think up five questions that would've been answered faster by googling, post one upside down phone pic of some strange project that I'll never follow up on and then let the thread sink to page ten and off the board entirely within a hundred posts like these threads always do.
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>>64250974I got .455 Webley bullets and cases, now to ask the dude who hinted to me about the bullet sale for loading data (and then I have to buy the revolver too lel)
>>64253539>So a powder company invented a powder that makes bullets slower than other powderFor the same volume, yes, and this has its advantages.>and you have to buy more of it because you have to use more of itNo, it has the least density of powder, so you use less by weight.
>>64253423Trail Boss generally isn't suitable for autoloading firearms without messing with spring weights, but you could turn your gun into a single shot very low recoil pistol for training purposes.
>>64253618Yes, just like a hole punch!
Does a .38 or .357 barrel imprint differently on a bullet than a 9mm barrel does? If a 115/125gr 9mm bullet is loaded in a .38 case and shot through a revolver, would it look different when recovered than it would if it had been fired through a 9mm?
Anyone have any 45lc powder recommendations. Gonna load 230gn round nose hardcasts. Looking for 800-1000 fps. All recommendations will be entertained if I can find it.
>>642514919mm subs recently. Still need to ladder test some .308 I made the other month
>>642547666.5 grains of Trail Boss gets you 800fps according to Hodgdon.
>>64254457You are paying the same amount for just over half the weight of a regular powder. To get the same velocity of a case full of trail boss you also use less of regular pistol powders.The only advantage is it fills the case so lazy reloaders don't need to check for double charges.
I have been reloading 10mm. I made some with 7.2 gr Unique under a 180 gr XTP. Sierra 6th Ed. says that's the max. GRT says imma blow up my gun. Nosler 8th says max 6.8. When shooting it was bursting primers (small pistol) but they weren't flattened or anything and it was just a puncture. No other obvious pressure signs like difficult extraction. I was having some issues with FTFs but I think that was the XDM jostling around and me not having a good grip on the grip safety.So what gives? Can I use magnum primers and keep loading up pissin' hot 10mm, or am I going to pop my barrel soon? And is there any way to get more energy out of 10mm?
>>64254896If you don't like it that's fine, more for the rest of us then.
>>64254898It's not wrong, but consider powder is not that big of a % of ammo cost, on the other hand>don't need to check for double chargesis actually a big safety feature.
Got a bunch of 110 grain fmj .30 Carbine bullets I'm going to load into a 300 win mag case. Wonder if I can get it to hit 4000 fps before pressure signs.
>>64254866I keep debating ordering some to mess around with, but for this I’m looking for something cheaper.
>>64255478Neat. Are they jacketed or solid?
>>64255478unless your 300 win mag has a 1:20 twist rate (or even slower considering the velocity) like the 30 carbine, be ready for those bullets to get shredded into powder at even ~3k FPS
>>64255478I've loaded some ancient 110gr Speer round nose soft points in .30-06 rounds, used a very hefty charge of Norma 201 powder.Performance was shockingly good in my rifle, exceptional accuracy. No signs of weird pressure spikes on the cases or primers.I never shot any animals with these rounds, but I have every reason to believe that they'd make for excellent varmint rounds.
>>64255552Lol yea I'm aware that might happen. I'm going to start slow and see where it goes. There's a lot of load data for 110 gr 300 win mag loads.
>>64250974i've been considering picking up handloading for if i ever get a .45LC SAA. love shooting my .357 but .45LC is so expensive that i'd want to reload it myself.
>>64255638I remember watching my dad shoot some 4000fps loads, think it was a 22-250, they were leaving smoke trails for the first 100 yards or so because the plastic tip was cooking off. 30 caliber bullets have more thermal mass so you might not get the same trails.
>>64255651Do it. It’s stupidly easy to reload 45lc and if your loading cowboy loads then a bottle of powder is likely gonna last you for at least 1000 rounds
>>64254457I was trolling. It definitely has its applications, but I also think that in a lot of cases (no pun intended) a different powder would be the better choice, even for reduced loads. Basically, it's great that it exists, but it's kind of retarded to try to use it for everything even if you can technically do so.
>>64255686$5 an ounce vs $3.5 an ounce for Bullseye. In most pistol loadings you can use 2/3 the weight of Bullseye to get the same velocity at slightly lower pressure.
>>64254625Yes, the difference in twist rate would likely be noticeable. Depending on where exactly the specific projectile and bore landed on the spectrum of tolerances there might also be a difference in how well the rifling engraved on the projectile, but I sincerely doubt it would be enough to be noticeable
>>64254625Why are you asking this?
Ended up picking up a bottle of hp-38 for my 45 lc. Looks like I’ll give it a go from 7.1 to 8 gns.
>>64257628Not really worried about overpressure…. Planning on shooting this out two separate revolvers meant to take 454 casull, and 460 in the other..Going to feel really “yeehaw”
>>64250974what does trail boss smell like when you shoot? I've never used it.
>>64257246Wondering why there is hardly any .38 or .357 115/124gr FMJ ammo since using the same bullet for several cartridges seems like a good logistical choice for ammo manufacturers.
>>6425900990% of it is that boomers don't want to see them fancy aerodynamic autopistol bullets in their cowboy guns
>>64259009>>64259026An extra thousandth of an inch all around the bullet would let gas go by, causing low bullet performance and increase the risk of squibs, especially in revolvers. Bad look for factory ammo. Rifling is about .005 tall so twist wouldn't be affected.
>>64251023Make your own black powder then
>>64251054>seat the bullet way down in the caseyeah don't do that, pic related>>64251064>zero reason to worry about "loading to full volume"some powders don't like it, h110 does the pressure spike thing at less than ~90% full iirc.Real niggas use unique.
>>64251491lazily made 8 of these bois for a lazy test day at the range.
>>64251023>need something for cartridges designed for black powder>also need something that fills the case entirely without pressure issuesIf only there was another product that could do that, anon. If only...>>64251054>corrosion propertiesClean it after you're done shooting it, ya dingus. Doesn't have to be right after, it can wait until you get home and put your shit away. Just make sure that you clean it that day with a water-based cleaning product. And yes, water itself works just fine if you can manage your autism and not be a retard about it. And here's a fun fact that you probably don't know, as this is not a story that the jedi would tell you:>most of those old black powder guns that got "rusted out by black powder," actually got rusted out in the early days of smokeless, with smokeless ammo>the smokeless powders of the day were advertised as not needing water to clean, which was technically correct, but no one considered that the primers might be corrosive>nobody noticed that chlorate primers might destroy a bore during the black powder days because they were cleaning their guns promptly with water to deal with black powder fouling, which is also exactly how one deals with chlorate salts>suddenly bores start rotting out and everyone from the ammo manufacturers to the us ordnance board were trying to figure out what was happening>all sorts of crazy theories about acids getting deposited in metal and stupid shit like that>it took the industry a decade or so to figure out that it was chlorate salt deposits from the primers that was the cause, and water was the cure>next chapter: the long and sordid tragedy of non-corrosive primers in america, or how we nearly ran out of ammunition during wwi
>>64259206I'm sure the local indoor range would love it if you brought black powder there
>>64250974Wait, trail boss was discontinued? When?You mean I could have been scalping my jugs of it I bought in 2016 this whole time? :(
>>64259254It was never officially discontinued, but there has been no new stock for years.Yeah, boomers have been (and still are) trying to rape people for a 1lb can
>>64259246Fuck 'em if they have a problem with it. Or better yet, don't shoot indoors. Your body's lead levels will thank you.>>64259254>>64259262I just bought 4 cans from Sportsmen's. It's a dollar more per can than Midway, but if you have it shipped to store you duck the hazmat fee so it winds up being cheaper than the usual online vendors.
>>64259254The factory in Australia where they made it exploded. Not kidding.Hence why it disappeared from the market for a few years.
>>64251088x2. I've never reloaded a single round in my life but when I was researching 45-70 I came to understand how good a powder like Trail Boss is for that application.
>>64259492Trail boss is garbage for 45-70. A full case only gets you pistol velocities.
>>64259527You don't have to load a "full case", that's the best part. You can seat a bullet deep on top of a full load of Trail Boss and still get good velocity without erratic velocities or chance of squib loads.Or maybe you only want pistol velocities because you have a pistol.
>>64259178Nice. What velocity are you looking for?
>>64259546Classy
>>64250974why would you put "no.1 choice by criminals!" on your product?
>>64259845Outlaws are not necessarily criminalsThe first pioneers in the American West would have been considered outlaws, because they were outside of any legal jurisdiction, even if they didn't engage in criminal activities
>>64259835They are Lee Navy loads so these ones are ~27gr of 4895 w/100gr bullet stepping up to 30gr eventually.last round I did was going around the 2.3k FPS but 6mm Lee Navy will typically push 2.5k so im in the ballpark.This is more for I want to just shoot the thing rather than maximize ballistics. Lots of the testing has just been getting the bullet seating just right to make up for the shorter necks between 220 swift and original 6mm. I post over on /msg/ a bunch, but dont often slide over here to the reloading general often. I should though
>>64259851I was using Green Dot for my loads. 100 grain lead bullet at just under 2000. Great for general pliking.Still haven't finished making new brass. Need to finally fininsh my lathe project and make some dies to swage my brass. Did get the belts cut off a bunch of .240 wby though.
>>64259845That's their target market.Cowboy larpers tend to identify as one or the other.
>>64259857>.240 wby though.I've seen the 240 builds too. I wish I could've gotten a hand on the 25-06 reloads Buffalo Arms did a while ago. I use 220 because there is tons of it out here so its easy to source, .220 swift die, 6mm rem seating die, seat it just right and bam, a perfectly acceptable Lee Navy load that wont explode.Ive just been conservative the with charge for a bit but its been working out.
>>64259851Reloading general goes in cycles. There’s a lot of us doing interesting stuff, but not enough to sustain a constant thread. It’s usually better when it’s been a bit. Neat rifles, I mostly load handgun rounds for revolvers, so I don’t have to worry about stretching Oal for cycling, any issues with the brass doing that? Or it’s just about hitting a spot where it will happily cycle but still have enough neck tension to hold fast…. I actually just got back from testing some 45lc as well as comparing some 454 casull rounds between a 2.5 inch Alaskan and my new 8 inch xframe. 100 fps difference with some absurdly heavy 454 hardcasts, vs 350 FPS difference with some 260 gn and 240 gn loads. Neat to finally be able to compare it.
>>64259878I take entirely too much pleasure in handguns that have stupidly absurd velocity and grainweights for a handgun…. 300 gn loaded 460 xvr.. feels like the gun version of Monopoly money numbers…
>>64259878>any issues with the brass doing that?none. If anything its advisable to fire form to get just a little bit more out of them but its a non issue primarily and only if youre going for true 1:1 brass to original spec.I have around 30rds of original ammo that have been invaluable when it comes to verifying
>>64259847>Outlaws are not necessarily criminalsYes they are. An outlaw is outside the protection of the law no matter where they are, they can be killed on sight with no legal repercussions right outside a courtroom.You just don't know what outlaw means.
>>64250974GUYS I NEED SOME FUCKING HELPi'm about to get into reloading 7.7jap, problem is i can't get any fucking bullets for it, i heard .303 british is working perfectly for it but i would like to know more.does anybody here has experience with 7.7jap and tell me what should i get to use as bullets ?
>>64260071you said it yourself there isnt much else.7.7=.303 they are the same bullet.
>>64260076oh, alright then, nothing to be afraid of.thanks pal.
>>64260052You literally repeated what I just said. And what does it have to do with being a criminal?Bad bot.
>>64260096>You literally repeated what I just saidNo, I didn't. That's the opposite of what you said. You are too stupid to argue with.
>>64260098My post:>they were outside of any legal jurisdictionYour post:>An outlaw is outside the protection of the law
>>64260071>>64260081Since .303" bullets are quite uncommon, once you are comfortable, you could run some (much more common) jacketed .308" bullets through a Lee .303 sizer.
>>64260102You are a moron.
>>64260111.303 bullets are bigger than .308 m8.
>>64260071It's close enough. In most instances you can go a few thous either way without fucking anything up too much. If you want to really blow your mind, slug a number of barrels in the same caliber from different manufacturers, measure the slugs, and then measure the corresponding bullets from a few different makers. You'll get numbers all over the goddamned place. Don't sweat it, the manufacturers sure as hell don't.>haven't sized a cast bullet in over a decade>why size them as a separate operation when shooting them sizes them for free?>>64260111Tell me how I know that you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
>>64260138>>64260120Why are they called .303 then?
>>64260153Because that's the distance between the lands of the rifling.
>>64260153Chamber revolver in .429 diameter.. fuck it 44 mag…
>>64260153primarily naming conventions and autism.
>>64260212It's the same reason Soviet 7.62 isn't .308" either.Measuring the bullet is kind of dumb really.
>>64260153Same reason my >>64259851 is sometime called .236 Navy
>>64260153You thought the name was an accurate reflection of the bullet size? Jesus, I knew that you didn't know what you were talking about, but now you've demonstrated that you're a fucking nogunz as well.Why do you stupid fucks comment on shit that you have no clue about when actually knowledgeable people are involved in the discussion? Do you think that nobody will notice? Do you just assume that everyone else is as fucking moronic as you are? Explain yourself.
>>64260153So without ridiculing you too much and chalking it up to be a newfriend.This post is an excellent example of why research and understanding of the subject is important in reloading
>>64250974Golden age? I reloaded Remmington UMC cases for 7.62x39mm for a while and then it just got too expensive to be worth all the shit. I boxed all my reloading gear for the Not-Happening.
>>64260352I made a simple and quite understandable mistake due to the retarded and extremely unconventional name of an uncommon chambering. What do you want me to do, beg for forgiveness?
>>64260459>extremely unconventional name >an uncommon chamberingMy dude stop digging, the hole's big enough.
>>64260459>extremely unconventional nameI'll excuse your posting to believe that you just don't have alot of experience with older calibers. Retarded naming conventions was all the rage back then and so when dealing with said calibers, one needs to be diligent.
>>64260477What other common or even uncommon chamberings have their bullet diameter notated by the land diameter and not the groove diameter?>>64260482Yet my point still stands. A .308 bullet can be resized to .303. My ignorance of the unconventional bullet specification does not change this.
>>64260499>What other common or even uncommon chamberings have their bullet diameter notated by the land diameter and not the groove diameterLiterally all the Soviet ones for a start.Learn when to shut the fuck up kid, you'll look smarter.
>>64260505>kidthe boomers have been summoned
>>64260505>sovietWe're talking about Imperial measurements here.
>>64260519Jesus christ you people are fucking insufferable.Spiritual Jewry is out of control.
>>64260529>it's... da jooz!Wrong board friend.
>>64260551And yet you still can't shart out words fast enough to make yourself anything but wrong and dumb.
>>64260499>A .308 bullet can be resized to .303Well, good for you. You've now made a bullet suitable for zero cartridges. Good luck ever even finding a resizing die to do it.
>>64260555I ask again, would you like me to beg and plead for forgiveness for my mistake? >>64260583>Good luck ever even finding a resizing die to do itI already posted one
>>64260590>would you like me to beg and plead for forgiveness for my mistakeTry learning, dipshit.
>>64260598That doesn't answer my question. I accept your concession.
>>64260459No, you didn't make a simple and understandable mistake. I'm not angry at you (and others like you) because you didn't know the subject. I'm angry at you because despite not knowing what the fuck you were talking about, you went ahead and gave your shit advice to another anon that was looking to learn something. Had that anon listened to your bullshit, he would have wound up buying a sizing die that does nothing for him and might be wondering why his bullets are dropping into the cases. What's more, given the ease of researching any given topic on today's internet, you made a willful choice to remain ignorant rather than spending the thirty seconds to Google it or, if even that's too much work for you, ask an AI of your choice.In short, you're a stupid person that thinks that you're not. The internet is full of you and is a far shittier place because of it. Since ISP's refuse to gatekeep thirdies and morons from otherwise civilized conversations, I've made it my business to do it myself. It's an impossible task, but if I can bully even one of you faggots into acting like an adult I'll consider it a success, but unfortunately for you, I enjoy it.Now that you know, the next time you wander into a conversation where knowledgeable people are talking, try shutting the fuck up and listening instead of injecting your bullshit into it. You'll probably learn something, and you won't have to deal with assholes like me.Now go fuck yourself and get the fuck off my internet, and don't come back until you have your shit together.>>64260499You know what? Check that. Go kickstart a rifle you worthless fuck. You're incapable of learning and are beyond redemption. Just go and fucking die. It will likely be the most meaningful thing you've done in your life at that point.
>>64260661>my internetlollmaoabsolutely pathetic
>>64250974where? i cant find it anywhere also why is it so fucking expxensive you only get 9 ounces in a bottle what a rip
>>64251054>>64251054>I have an old trap door Springfield that I don't want to shoot black powder through due to the corrosion properties. So tell me, what powder can be loaded to full volume in a 45-70 case while maintaining black powder trapdoor pressures?pyrodex, triple 7, alliant black mz you fucking nincompoop
lmao even
>>64259039>modern pressures>"just make your own black powder bro"christ you people are fucking retarded
>>64262798I would like to try making black powder at some point, but mostly as an academic experiment and not for regular reloading
everybody sure is cranky todaycheck out my sweet shelf
>>64262878I don't know how people store so much powder in their homes, please be careful anon, anything can happen
>>64262798Modern pressures of old BP cartridges are the exact same as when they were BP.
>>64262938No they aren't45 Colt has two different pressure specs (Black Powder, and "44 Magnum")45-70 has three different pressure specs (Trapdoor, "Modern Gun", and "Ruger No 1")
>>64262961Maybe look at what the specs actually are.Any cartridge can be over loaded. That does not make it a spec.
>>64251048You haven't said shit and you sound like an insufferable bitch.
>>64262938What compels morons like you to smugly state bullshit about subjects you have zero knowledge about?
>>64262878Nice shelf anon. H110, lil gun, unique…. I approve
>>64262878How’s that leverevolution powder?
>>64251023>What a foolish remark.
>>64263335it's nothing special, but going by the hornady book for the hornady ftx bullets, the hornady powder gets the best velocity, go figure. It says it can get an extra 150 fps over anything else before hitting max pressure of a 30-30, which is what I bought it for, loading some for a friend. I don't even have a 30-30, and I don't really like the .458 ftx bullets because you have to trim brass .100 under to use them, and the construction/expansion isn't really impressive when I find the spent bullets downrange.
>>64263720About half the revolver brass is the same way for those ftx’s. I have some sequestered 454 casull, 44 mag, and 444 marlin brass because I didn’t realize it was trimmed when I got it… oddly in 460 you don’t need to trim it…. Keep meaning to do something like shot shells with those short 444 marlin cases but haven’t gotten around to it
>>64263720>>64263854And yeah Hornady saying their special powder is the best…. Color me shocked…
>>64251085you need full volume and complete burnout. read "the bullet's flight" from dr. mann, 1909. ballisticians have known this for a long time. incidentally, TB is great for .300 subs.
>>64263149I asked that question yesterday, and I've asked that question many times before, here and elsewhere. They never answer. The subject matter is unimportant. Go to the most obscure niche online community and you will find someone spewing bullshit about something that they don't understand, and presenting it as if they're an expert that's done it before. It boggles the mind.I'm not convinced that they can be bullied into stopping, but it's fun to try.>this phenomenon predates the introduction of cell phones to india, so it's not simply a matter of third worlders ruining everything they touch
>>64251085Filling the case improves ES and SD.There isn't a single discipline where accuracy from a rifle is a difference maker where people aren't shooting compressed loads. If you pull an FGMM, the powder is compressed. If you look at top tier F Class and BR shooters' loads they are hellatiously compressed.No you don't need to compress to hit a whitetail at 100 yards but you do to win a competition.
>>64253539>you should always use the fastest burning powder so you use less so it is cheaperHow to tell people you don't reload without telling them you don't reload.
>>64258410not nearly as good as gasoline
>get suppressor>every one of my 300 blk subs is actually superhammertimealso I need a chrono
>>64267570Well, I guess its time you load up some trailboss
>>64267570…. Might consider getting one of those cam action bullet pullers….
>>64251003But I like just filling cases to the opening and seating a bullet. It makes reloading so simple.
>>64267570I had kind of the opposite problem. I made a bunch of .308 subs but they all ended up being much too slow. I did load them on the conservative side, but I alao had a peoblem with tumbling that I wasn't able to isolate. I think it's just because I was using eld's at well subsonic speeds so they wouldn't stabilize
>>64267734My 444 marlin subsonic experiments were… not appropriate for the twist rate I had…
>>64267771Lol ya perhaps not. I was using 220's with a 1:9 which should stabalize without issue. They aren't monolithic or anything
10mm with accurate #9 and 180 gr hst
>>64267781I have one of the early lone eagles with apparently a 1:38 twist rate… those were 505 gn bullets
