Was "mowing down" masses of enemies with machine guns ever really a thing? It's in movies a lot, but seems like it'd be very difficult to do if the enemy is spaced out and reacts to being shot at at all. Aside from a couple incidents in Ukraine where guys got caught dismounting from vehicles, I don't think I've seen actual confirmed incidents. There was a Hamas ambush of a few IDF guys standing close together, but even that I think only got 2 out of 3 of them from quite close with the element of surprise. Is it just an idea from movies?
>>64251608Omaha Beach They tell you this in Elementary School.
>>64251608It happened a lot in WWI, WWII pacific theater and Korea.
>>64251608https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Basilonehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_R._Koumahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_F._Pendleton
>tons of reliable historical accounts>tons of cultural references ("Devil's Paintbrush", literal phrases such as "mowing down")>completely within the realm of realism>a predictable result of sending millions of men into industrialized war>>anon: "WAS IT ACTUALLY FAKE??"what's this phenomenon called? redpill overdose?
>>64251670I didn't know about any of these guys. Too bad Basilone and Pendleton never made it home.>>64251673That's what I'm asking about. There's lots of claims, but now there's several wars going on with tons of footage and there's not much evidence of it really happening. Makes it seem as though past stories could be exaggerated.
>>64251608No, it's all made up.
>>64251608No, you retard. Banzai charges in the pacific. No mans land in WW1. Zulus charging the English.
>>64251728>Zulus charging the English.They didnt have machineguns at Islandwana or Rorkes drift
>Whatever happens, we have got>The Maxim Gun, and they have not
>>64251717>That's what I'm asking about. There's lots of claims, but now there's several wars going on with tons of footage and there's not much evidence of it really happening. Makes it seem as though past stories could be exaggerated.there aren't too many videos of bayonet or cavalry charges in Ukraine either. makes you wonder if that shit really happened
>>64251717Have another. Guys MOH got hung up for years because he was medical.
>>64251608Yes but it got rarer as soldiers got used to MG fire. >There was a Hamas ambush of a few IDF guys standing close together, but even that I think only got 2 out of 3 of them from quite close with the element of surprise.They might have been wearing body armor so even if the MGer got a few hits on each one he might not have dropped them.
>>64251673>parking lot on a scenic beach >and an important historical site
>>64251891Its just a beach
>>64251891Europe's had enough big dick shit going on that you can't just keep everything untouched. Richy three wasn't found making a parking lot, but they found him under a parking lot.
>>64251779But machine guns are still a ubiquitous part of modern infantry units.
My intuition is that mowing guys down in enfilade like the movies is pretty rare, but by no means unheard of. If I had to put money down, I'd think the vast majority of gunners with large body counts got them by unglamorously switching from target to target over prolonged time.>>64252000This strikes me as a very zoomer befuddlement. Everything being filmed everywhere and all the time is an incredibly recent phenomenon. Even GWOT era the shit you saw was pretty choice-ly shot and shown. It's only in the last 5-10 years that you can be damn near guaranteed of video of everything so much as a PFC pissing on a grenade.
>>64251673>>64251641casualties came primarily from artillery, with machine guns pinning them down and restricting movement to allow the artillery to hit themmachine guns did score multiple kills, but it was piecemeal, 1 or 2 people as they dashed from cover to coverbeing able to cut down an entire higgins boat before any of them could leave did happen but it was the exception and not the rule, but its just a grisly event no one is likely to forget
>>64251608>enemy is spaced out and reacts to being shot at at allthat would be insubordination
>>64251717You know this scrawny little emancipated manlet right?https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audie_MurphyAlsohttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Imjin_River
>>64252355I am familiar with Audie Murphy at least.
>>64251735He obviously can't tell a Zulu from a fuzzy wuzzy and is referring to Omdurman where 52000 spear armed shias attacked 8000 British soldiers armed with quick firing horse artillery field guns and maxim guns. Most of them died before they even got within range of a Lee Enfield. There was an even crazier incident a few years later. In 1903 Britain sent an armed delegation to Tibet and 3000 troops from the Tibetan army who still had matchlock muskets tried to stop them. The British opened fire with the maxim gun and killed most of them. It was such slaughter that the maxim gunners (20 year army lifers with starched mustaches and no love for orientals) ceased fire without orders because of how barbaric the slaughter was.
>>64251641>>58192874
>>64251608Korea.
>>64251891There are private houses all down the beach but a parking lot is where you draw the line?
>>64251608What arma skin is this?
>>64251608>I don't think I've seen actual confirmed incidents.(WW2) Mitchell Paige held back an entire Japanese regiment with 4 machine guns after thirty-three Marines in his machine gun platoon were killed or wounded while defending a ridge during the Battle of Guadalcanal.(WW2) John Basilone and the two machine-gun sections under his command held off an attack by a regiment of about 3,000 Japanese soldiers. He was one of only three Marines in that group to survive.There were many more incidents in other wars like WW1 but those two are the ones I know from memory.
>>64252693https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2669794368
>>64251673>what's this phenomenon called?Stupidity, idiocy, retardation, etc...
During the Kurt Muse rescue, a Delta Force operator with a machinegun on the roof of the prison killed 60 Panamanian soldiers and police officers. The raid lasted only a few minutes.
>>64252769That's badass.
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>>64253089Bro, did you really put coomer mods on Arma?
>>64253142Yeah.
>>64251608No anon, bayonet charges were pure hollywood hallucination
>>64253227That must smell bad.
>>64251608>>64253085what is this, operation flashpoint with waifu fag mods?
>>64253142You've never used Arma as a tactical ryona simulator?
>>64253240I doubt it, those aren't Indians.
Name the mod, onii-chan
>>64251608Your mp4 shows you using a Maxim in an unsupported position to engage enemies from about 300m away, with no magnification. I thought this was dumb so I made this to show you a better way. Deploy your bipod on flat ground. Use a magnified optic to see what you're hitting. Use thermals with IR tracers so you can walk your shots in. Engage from 400m away or more.
>>64251717anon... how many beach landings have there been in recent history?
>>64253764It’s Arma 3 with Cold War DLCs and lots of mods.>>64253822Posted >>64252728 World Wide Armed Female for the character. The machine gun in the first clip is from specialist military arms. The BTR and trucks with CSAT markings are from one of Massi’s mods. Most other gear is from DLCs (I modded the enemy soldiers myself, mostly using DLC assets). I play with a couple dozen mods.>>64253830That’s some smooth operating anon. Thanks for the tips. Though I don’t think most soldiers irl have thermals available for their MGs.>>64253838The Russians promised one, but it never materialized.
>>64251608Do some reading about the Chinese in the Korean War please.
>>64254096I’m sorry if you think it wasn’t a good question for its own thread, but I have no idea how you made a connection to Reddit and politics. I’m have guns btw, I got a nugget when they were super cheap.
>>64251608The French were especially retarded in WW1 and WW2, and they were mowed down by the thousands on many occasions. Imagine being in a platoon of very flamboyant colored uniforms that present this gigantic target and some German with a Maxim was like bingo.
>>64251717>There's lots of claims, but now there's several wars going on with tons of footage and there's not much evidence of it really happening.That's because machine guns have been around for over a century at this point and anyone who's watched a movie or played a videogame knows that you don't charge them head on. Back when they were first used, people had to learn that the hard way.
>>64251608considerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enfilade_and_defilade
>>64254321Most of the people who fought in wars back then (WW1 and 2) were 18 years old. They didn't have videogames or realistic war movies to pretrain them.
>>64251717>Didn't know about John BasiloneGet the fuck off /k/
>>64254380But I has a nugget. I’m a /k/ommando.
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>>64254649My source is Dalton Fury. He talks about invading Afghanistan with said machine gunner.
>>64254689Dale Comstock also on the rescue and confirms the story in interviews.
>>64251728>Zulus charging the EnglishThat's not how Zulu actually fought, nor did the British have machine guns deployed fir that conflict.
>>64254689>>64254709why would you believe podcast stories when they just lie over and over again
>>64254774Can you prove it wrong? Your Wikipedia picture doesn't have a source.
>>64251642WWI was probably peak mowing season. Stories of Krauts blasting Haig's meatwaves are incredible. Piles of dead, with more brits climbing over the dead, and the machine guns were just blasting the whole time. Madness.
>>64254170The French leadership was intentionally trying to get them all killed. France's military was completely infiltrated by this time, and they have never recovered.
>>64254170It's hard to put into words just how badly the French got their fucking teeth kicked in at the start of WW1. I read somewhere that 70% of all French casualties in the entire war happened within the first 365 days.To be fair, the Germans took it bad too. A single machine gun covering a bridge chokepoint killed so many Germans during the Battle of Mons that they were eventually able to cross by using the piles of their own dead bodies as cover.1914 was a particularly not-so-fun time to be an infantryman.
>>64252769I re-read the book and it actually says over 50, not 60.
Since can't be bothered asking anywhere else and see the /k/ armafags are in this thread, is Arma Reforger worth getting for comfy logistics play keep in mind the devs decided to just put the game "on sale" just after they bumped up the price?
>>64251728Indeedhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxim_gun#Conflicts
>>64251891How are the Americans supposed to get there?
>>64252331>with machine guns pinning them down and restricting movementAnd how does a machine gun pin somebody down and restrict their movement, nonny? :3
>>64251673it's brain melting because of excessive social media use. Basically infojunkie stuff
>>64251673>what's this phenomenon called?It's called being a brainless gorilla nigger.
>>64251673>Massive military super-project>Ridiculous amount of expensive and scarce resources>Hundreds of thousands of workers building it for two years>Even more POW's and other slave labor>Later even troops, which should have been training or fighting instead>D-Day>The most resistance encountered is a single fucking MG bunkerHow the hell do you fuck up this bad?
>>64251673I call it the Panzer-Katana Effect. Upon learning that some things they thought they knew about something were exaggerations, they assume everything about that thing must be false.
>>64256108You upset me, dumb fuck
>>64251891>american complaining about parking lots
>>64251608>Was "mowing down" masses of enemies with machine guns ever really a thing? The purpose of machine guns is to THREATEN this, and yes it did happen whenever they tried human wave attacks during the Civil War (gatling guns), WW1, WW2, Korean War, and Vietnam. But the real purpose is suppression, and act as a force multiplier for other infantry forces. A machine gun by itself doesn't win battles, it is part of the infantry squad system.
>>64255018Idk. Still playing Arma 3. Haven't seen a reason to move on.
>>64256290>and yes it did happen whenever they tried human wave attacks during the Civil War (gatling guns)way to discredit yourself. a grand total of 12 privately-owned gatling guns existed in land forces during the US Civil War and they were used once.
>>64256310I got really annoyed by the 2.20 update because it bugged the SACLOS function of the scalpel missiles when assigned to the pilot of a two seater vehicle. So my custom mission loadouts for the Blackfoot, Xian, and Kajyman became useless. I had them loaded with pilot controlled scalpels for sniping purposes.
>>64256981Hopefully they fix that in the next update. Thankfully I don't doo a lot of vehicle ops.
>>64254931It took the French a long time to realize their uniforms were a bad choice and that instead of being intimidated the enemy was just going to shoot and kill more of them against the backdrop.
Final protective fire on Guadalcanal would have focused on area sweeps rather than targeting individual enemy soldiers.
>>64251891fugg
>>64253830thats the western sahara dlc?
>>64251608>Was "mowing down" masses of enemies with machine guns ever really a thing?Yes. Here's Michael Caine who will describe what he saw in Koreahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkvQZSpl6Io
>>64251673>what's this phenomenon called?ivory tower millenialism
>>64251717I suppose if you were running a belt fed that caught a platoon in the open you're be taking selfies for your instagram
>>64256310Reforger is generally more stable. No longer do you have to see your bullet go through your opponent's head while sniping, but he's still alive because the hit didn't register. My two cents: keep playing Arma 3 and let the beta testers help the dev team with Reforger until Arma 4 is ready.
>>64251735>>64252523There were two gatlings at the Battle of Ulundi (the Zulu capital)
>>64251891My guy, Normandy isn't the Aleutians. The coastline has been dotted with villages since before the Romans showed up.
>>64251891You think Omaha's bad? They built an entire town right on top of Juno Beach
>>64251891What heartless bastard would pave over such an important site? (Pic unrelated)
>>64251673>>64251891For comparison's sake, this is what the Vierville Draw looked like before D-Day
>>64258038Before the war, I should said.
>>64256108For one, 90% of the concrete and steel used in the Atlantic Wall went towards fortifying the coast of Europe between Spain and Finland. The other 10% went to the Channel Islands.. all 76 square miles of them.
>>64257442Yeah. The Extraction scenario is a good testbed for modded weapons and vehicles.
>>64256108almost all of the german forces were stuck in russia. the invasion would have never even remotely been possible if the germans had just 10 divisions more in france at the time. the allies had to wait until germany was basically defeated and completely out of reserves to pull d-day off.
>>64253764>operation flashpointHave you been in a coma for 20 years?
>>64256120>Panzer-Katana EffectI'm stealing this one.
>>64257345>our tube fed, long as fuck service rife is too awkward and unwieldy, we need a modernized replacement>sure thing, here's an en-bloc clip with three bullets, no safety, and fixed sightsFrance made some awful decisions in the name of elan for sure. Not quite as retarded as WW2 Japanese banzai culture, but the French were deliberately kneecapping themselves under the belief that their stronk gigachad infantrymen with maxed out morale buffs will always figure out how to win victories.
>>64251608>‘In 1893 in Southern Africa, British colonial police slaughtered 1,500 Ndebele warriors, losing only four of their own men in the process. This astronomical, almost unfathomable victory was earned not through superior strength, courage, or strategic skill, but because the British were armed with five machine guns and the Ndebele were not’.
>>64262560is he ok
>>64256108>The D-Day in itself was a feat on par with the fortification effort>Diffuse defenses across thousands of miles vs concentrated forces >Static defenses in the age of mobility warfare they themselves invented>Anon's retardationThe Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to go around our Maginot line, and nobody was going to go around theirs.- Amphibious-lander Eisenhower
>>64257942>>64257999Brave men
>>64251673- faggots somehow deny reality even during 21st century shit happening right now, with terabytes of high-def content generated from all possible levels;- now imagine how easier it is to deny shit when some time passed since it happened, including but not limited to moving down people by machine guns, soviet human waves, blocking detachments and so on;
>>64256108Fortifications don't fight back, the army does. The army which was balls deep inside soviet union
>>64251717>There's lots of claims, but now there's several wars going on with tons of footageEven that "ton of footage" just scratches the surface of what happens each day on the ground. I personally know people in AFU who fought since day one, and there were so many fucked up clashes, especially in the early days, that you niggers wouldn't even believe, and pretty much no footage exists from back then because filming wasn't that high up on the priority ladder for everyone, just because of how fast crap was happening.
