Would the Air Force have really shot down those planes if their response hadn't been so completely half-assed?
>>64251864are you really going to pretend 80 IQ amerimutts were ready to match 80 IQ arab perfidity
>>64251864Fallibility is more believable than omniscience
Yes. QRA carry live weapons always have done always will do. The issue aside from the FAA being retarded and not pushing things up the chain was no one expected people to jihad airliners since all previous hijackings at least wanted to land somewhere or get a ransom. The only pre-2001 example I can think of is a Somali airline that got hijacked by idiots who wanted to go to Australia (from east africa without refuelling). Despite being told it was impossible they forced the aircrew to keep flying towards Australia until they ran out of fuel and then deliberately tried to stop the pilot's attempt to glide into the Canary Islands because if they couldn't live in Melbourne they might as well die along with everyone else.
>>64251864Are we going to pretend that Americans weren't half Assing their defense for the longest time?(still are to be quite frank).
>>64252371>The only pre-2001 example I can think of is a Somali airline that got hijacked by idiots who wanted to go to Australia (from east africa without refuelling). Despite being told it was impossible they forced the aircrew to keep flying towards Australia until they ran out of fuel and then deliberately tried to stop the pilot's attempt to glide into the Canary Islands because if they couldn't live in Melbourne they might as well die along with everyone else.I get that Somalis are dumb as rocks but… what?Even if they managed to get to Australia, they’d be immediately arrested on the tarmac and given multi-decade prison sentences for air piracy.
I unironically think that they actually shot down the united 93 (or whatever was called) and then created that half assed shit of a story just because some passenger called his wife and told her that they were going to try to do something I mean, it was the right thing to do. They even did it in a not populated area.
>>64257496United 93 actually crashed before the Air Force was even informed of the hijacking and even if they had, none of the available aircraft would have been able to intercept it before it reached Washington DC, the first F-16s didn't even arrive over the capital until over 20 minutes after the Pentagon had already been struck
>>64252371Do pilots do exercises for shooting down hijacked airliners to at least desensitize them to the idea of it? Wouldn't be good if you gave an order to shoot down and the pilot suddenly had a crisis of conscious at the moment of truth.
>>64257799kekcute
>>64251861Honestly I don't think they would've. They should've but at the time it was probably against judgement for a couple of reasons, namely that the plane is full of civillians who are not party of the hijackers and are simply victims, and secondly because there is very little precedent for this kind of attack. They'd have been shocked if anything that this was even happening.
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>>64258743Not sure about the Air National Guard but the RAF practices scrambles on civilians aircraft all the time. Usually real aircraft that were out of contact with ATC or set their transponder wrong. This is quite effective training as it is real aside from the durkas and the actual shootdown. A scramble from QRA also doesn't follow peacetime speed restrictions so they will go supersonic over land at low level and fuck anything on the ground.
>>64252446Life in prison in Australia would still be preferable to living in Somalia under any circumstance, so I can sort of see the logic.
>>64258743Not sure about the west, but Russia occasionally shoots down civilian airliners to make sure they don't get rusty.
>>64251861Maybe
>>64257496the "alert" aircraft that day were on low-priority status and not even armed, hell there's an interview with one of the pilots who said they *did* get a shootdown order and realized that they wouldn't have time to get weapons mounted or ammo loaded, and so literally their only option would have been to ram
>>64263639Wouldn't that involve killing themselves in the process? Seems like you'd get a lot of pilots possibly chickening out at the last second.
>>64252446>Even if they managed to get to Australia, they’d be immediately arrested on the tarmac and given multi-decade prison sentences for air piracy.a) they'd claim asylum and that has worked occasionally (maybe not for Australia but in general)b) they'd have a plane full of hostages to negotiate withNo it wouldn't work but there's a shred of logic to it and it has more or less worked in the past.>>64257496>I unironically think that they actually shot down the united 93I worked in the travel industry adjacent to airlines shortly after 9/11 and that was the popular belief by pilots etc. Nobody really blames the government for a shoot-down, they just get a bit irritated by the cover-up.We were in fact roughly primed for this by Steven Seagal of all people in 1996.
>>64257799>United 93 actually crashed before the Air Force was even informed of the hijacking and even if they hadThe passengers got a call about it so it was already on the news by then.>adorable cute inter-racial yuri terrorist conspiracistsI want to see the porn spoof of this.Probably needs to be 90% filmed in Czech or Budapest though, with just a few street scenes in NYC that won't tip anyone off.
>>64264823>Seems like you'd get a lot of pilots possibly chickening out at the last second.The kinds of people who become fighter pilots probably don't mind dying a legend and being remembered forever as the saviour of their nation through self-sacrifice.It's really the perfect blaze of glory to go out in.
>>64264823nta and not knowledgeable about aircaft, but i suppose you could belly-ram the wing or something, then bail
>>64258963The RAF of course have a smaller area to cover and have memories of Lockerbie
>>64251861why is that F-16 carrying 2 AIM-7s and 2 AIM-120s when it could be carrying 4 AIM-120s?
since we're on the topic of crashing planes, i'd like to share this video with youhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ldc8WJ7MkA
>>64264993cool
>>64264980It looks larger than an AIM-7, probably AGM-88 HARM with the wrong fins profile.
>>64264823there's an interview floating around with a pilot who was in one of the alert aircraft and he said the plan was to line himself up and then eject at the last moment, and if it didn't work his wingman would do it toothen there's some comments from another f-16 pilot i read somewhere that were like>yeah nah zero chance he was planning on ejecting, he's just saying that for his wife and kids
>>64264966It'd certainly be a hell of a gamble. Taking out a wing or control surfaces would be my bet, personally. But there's also the question of if the plane is being flown consistently enough for your rocket surgery. Plus if you're ramming it and risking death anyway, you want to be real sure you're at least getting the damn job done.'How do I kamikaze my fighter into this packed passenger plane before it kills even more people than just the souls onboard' is one of the more insane pieces of problem-solving a rational human mind has ever had to deal with.
>>64259942They usually use their SAMs for that.
>>64252371Air France flight 8969. In 1994 Algerian terrorists hijack a plane with the intention of blowing it up over Paris or maybe crashing it into some Parisian monument.
