One shot on the neck, and you are dead.How come bullet proof vests don't also cover your neck?
>>64252966Mobility. Same reason they don't cover your intestines. Also the interceptor system employed a neck protector, and you can get neck protectors separately from some companies
>>64252985>wrong pic
>why are vests vests instead of tankstanks are big and heavy and expensive and use a lot of fuel
>>64252966You will notice that your chest is much larger than your neck and so is more likely to be hit
>>64252966Center mass shots are standard training. That's why I train head shots
>>64253007>head shots>not groinIt's like you don't know the meaning of extreme prejudice.
>>64253007>That's why I train head shotsCenter mass too right? If you need to reach out to longer ranges, aiming for center mass would be a higher chance of a hit. Within close range it's cool
>>64252966>why protect the neck if your head is exposed>why protect the head if your brachial/femoral arteries are exposedYour chest is the most likely part of you to be hit, while also being the easiest to armor without interfering with freedom of motion, and containing most of your vital organs. Body armor exists to increase your chances of survival in a dynamic combat situation, not provide 100% perfect defense. It is a trade-off between comfort/convenience and protection. Ultimately, if you're a stationary target being aimed at by a competent sniper with a high power rifle, you're going to die unless you're literally wearing full-body power armor like a Space Marine or Iron Man, and that's hardly practical for day to day use.
>>64253011Wrong head
>>64253007>training head shotsNGMI
>>64253007>>64253011>Play Tarkov>Use Shotgun and hobo-tier kit>Bait tryhard in full kit into rushing a room while in cover that means I can only see their lower body but I can't be seen at all>Oops your armor doesn't cover your legs, too bad your femoral artery is there :^)(This is ignoring that it's Tarkov so there is a 1 in 3 chance it's someone with wallhax and they just shoot me before even entering the room)
>>64252966Neck isn't protected for mobility reasons. Armor also doesn't protect your pelvis, so pro-tip larpers: if you're in an engagement and worried about the opposition using armor, shoot them in the dick (pelvis shots will immobolize them significantly if not completely)But the point of using armor is to increase your chances of making it through encounters. You have less vulnerable area on your body.
>>64253196Think again. Also, if you're worried about engaging armor you need to figure out how to deal with shields, too, and those have greatly superior coverage and usually come with a bonus 4-5 extra shooters behind them too.Shields exist on a three way intersection of cost, coverage, and weight. Rule of thumb. If a plate can be hand carried and is full-body coverage it's most likely rated to M855A1, tops, unless you pissed off the wrong people and it's some boron carbide custom. If it's on wheels and wasn't made decades ago there's no piercing without M993 or above on your side.
>>64253214I hope chinks make full lamellar armor a thing again even if it's shit to actually wear in the field because that shit is certified kino.Chinkshills if you see this please pass that on, I will respect your nation more if you guys can bring back sick looking armors. You even have a perfect excuse for it over on the India front where your lads are beating them with sticks.
>>64252966They're bulletproof vests, not bulletproof turtlenecks
>>64253301I bet they would if they could track Murray Neal, one of the two original guys behind Dragonskin, down to help them out. He financially went down the shitter in 2013 with Pinnacle Armor going bust, so maybe he could use the employment.China, you know what to do.
>>64253007What if you got a big fat stupid head like me and your head IS your center of mass?
>>64252988Old enough that I was issued an interceptor. The neck bit was for shrapnel. Wouldn't stop a 30-06 head on. Probably fuck up its path a bit, but wouldn't stop it
>>64253391If you've spent that much time reading, you should have developed some wicked psychic powers and you can just use them stop the bullets with your mind.
>>64253394>I was issued an interceptorWas it as bad as they say?
>>64253410It sucked ass. Sweaty as fuck, held stank like no other, would bulge and pop out randomly (was in a mounted unit so frequently in an M1181). You could mount shit on the molle but it never felt right. Hypothetically, plate carriers have less protection than interceptors. When plate carries became an option guys were fucking going out of their way to get them.
>>64253410Should add. Didnt use the leg bits or the arm bits. Didnt even get issued those (1/1 weapons company), but even then it was ass. Had to wear the dickflap and neck protector. Chafing like a motherfucker and pointless bulging
>>64253418>>64253420I though it would just be heavy but that just sounds more shit. Interceptors do offer more protection than plate carriers (because it is practically full coverage of your whole body), but I can imagine how they'd ditch them immediately.
>>64253103You better be 75+ feet away with a group like that, you self-taught.
>>64253103>target is now Asian and your grouping needs to be the size of a dime
>>64252988>wrong picNah, it was on point.
>>64252966Boy have I got the product for you.
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>>64253394If we are referring to the recent incident, it appears that the bullet travelled up into his neck after deflecting off of an armor plate. A piece of kevlar probably would have caught it at that point, but it would be obvious he was wearing armor, if that wasn't a concern he would probably have had a ceramic plate which would most likely have stopped the round cold.>>64253410I bought one for larping, it feels like you're one of the beetle aliens from the 5th element with it on.
>>64255141The issue is plate thickness. Steel covert plates are typically under 0.4" thick. Ceramics generally need to be thicker but weigh substantially less due to the necessary composite backer.A 0.4" ceramic plate would have struggled against a .30-06 due to how thin the backer would have been. You need at least 0.56" to 0.6" going off high end B4C examples like the LTC 28791 or VS-PBZSA. That means a less covert solution.I have a hunch Kirk was wearing an uncoated VelSys PULV titanium plate or something similar, hence the spall. This is monday quarterbacking, but he should have worn some PBZSAs in a slick carrier under a lightweight jacket.
>>64255167Thin stand alone ceramics will probably be the new meta once the details of this come out, but they should have been already for contentious public speaking.
>>64252966They protect most of your important bits if they are sized and worn correctly. But my luck Id get shot in the face or dick and bleed out like a bitch.
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>>64255480The secret service has a boron carbide version of the PULV rated up to 7.62x39mm BZ API, but it has no known capability against higher-energy threats. It's alsp very restricted. There is an alll-PE ultralight version, too, but it will lose to M855 easily.Many thin ceramics like the Hesco L211, L210, U211, etc fall apart when faced against larger calibers. Not one of those three is rated for 7.62x51 M80, the basic Level III threat. They have the ceramic strike face for steel penetrators but not enough fiberglass or PE backer for energy capture under 44mm BFD.The less than overt "meta" is the VS-PBZSA, surpassed only by the unknown LTC plate that replaced it in 2023 as SOCOM's GEN-6 TSA/less-than-overt. This would be the direct successor to the LTC 28791.For overt meta, the LTC 28570 is superb and could probably still be concealed under a sweater.
