When I look out of my office windows my eyes glaze over imagining what civil war would be like here. There has never been warfare anywhere near this dense and vertical. The sixth month siege of The Empire state building... The tank battle of Brooklyn bridge...The infinite snipers. The fucking hundreds of miles of tunnels. Shit gives me goosebumps. The horror and the beauty.
>>64253304All discussion of politics and current events goes on /pol/.>>>/pol/
>>64253322I'm not interested in politics at all. Hearing from any insane turbo autists that have dared to wargame this scenario is more of my angle.
>>64253304Could you even starve opposition out of a city like that?Assuming a vast majority of civilians (90%+) have fucked off, i wonder if cutting the whole city off and waiting until the food runs out is viable.If it is, I'd imagine it a preferrable option over trying to take it street by street.
>>64253364yes when you use that framing virtually everything is politics, especially weapons.
>>64253304I was thinking back about this a couple months ago with a friend when we were walking around a plane museum and looking at the fighter jets. Unless everything is leveled like gaza, it would be endless guerilla attacks. Take los angeles for example, millions of places to hide or setup a FOB. We'd probably see something like sniper alley in bosnia. This typa thinking is also what makes people shift from hypothetical to full-blown prepper, but I think realistically in this situation, you should have an easily concealable pistol, cash, and documents. And in your home, some food and water because the first thing to go will be power and supply lines.As such, im hijacking this thread - what pistol are YOU gonna carry
>>64253304You're that autist that keeps making theeads about conbat in megacities. The answer is the same one you've always been given, no armed force would engage inside one. They would control the entrance/exits and simply atarve it out.
>>64253363>cutting the whole city offOne of the most insane things about Manhattan is that it has 200+ years of tunnels on top of tunnels on tunnels, much of which are out of commission and literally forgotten like something out of Warhammer. Bums literally built a whole secret shanty town with markets and everything. Remember the Jews crawling out of grates? If you watch urban explorers, Any inconspicuous service door can lead you to the shadow realm. Itd be real hard to just lock a place like that place down.https://youtu.be/tZnt4oJFaNw?si=kZQPVTH-XIjETGor
>>64253426Ive never made this thread before. Not interested in fictional megacities, just NYC. I hope that autist you're talking about pops in though.
>>64253390The main thing is insurgencies still need benefactors to fund and supply it. If you have the ability to cut them off from that stuff you can easily quash it. Developed countries aren’t like Afghanistan where a majority of the population are subsistence farmers and insurgencies like the Vietcong and Iraqis had outside support from the soviets and Iranians respectively.
>>64253304Am very familiar with the area. It'll be just like exactly like Organized Crime and Drug Gangs go about it. Low level, small scale hits. Manhattan has jaw dropping numbers of cameras and Police/Security in certain areas.
>>64253304https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Stalingrad
>>64253363What's with this >Blue areas are going to run out of food, Red areas are self sufficient meme come from?Japan, Saudi Arabia, Iceland, Singapore, South Korea import most of their food, they do not have nearly the amount of domestic food production to keep up with demand. Its tough, but the blue areas accounting for most of the country's GDP can just buy their food, supplies, and fuel from the world market. Red areas won't have that luxury. How is Cletus going to run his 250k harvester with no fuel? Of course it won't be clean cut battle lines along voting districts, its going to get messy. I just think red areas will definitely be in a rude awakening when their dollar generals/gas stations/hospitals stop receiving their supplies from the big cities. THAT is going to happen way before they have to worry about tanks and jets from the government.
>>64253453Most people legitimately do not have a clue about how insane the logistics of supplying a single fucking Walmart is, let alone a city or state.
>>64253448This reminds me of this video of azov clearing a 9 story commie bloc. Iirc It takes them like two whole days. The spetznas next door do the ol scooby doo switcheroo and skedaddle. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81NN810DH60
>>64253304Large cities like New York would probably just degenerate into gang warfare with whatever light infantry equipment and vehicles they could loot from Fort Hamilton, fighting for control of transportation infrastructure like the LIRR’s rail yards and the ports so they can shake people for food and medicine (re. using starvation as a weapon). Think Mogadishu in the early 90s.
>>64253463The babushka at 11:02 acts like she doesn't even give a FUCK she's in a literal warzone, hope she's still kicking.
>>64253304There's no reason to go in. Just siege it and bomb it.
>>64253472Yeah, the old people trying to scrape by make me wanna cry man.
>>64253453The bigger issue is that the vast majority of crops in the US are feed crops for livestock, like dent corn, sorghum and s@y. Even if the combines were running, I doubt American farmers know how to make tofu.And don’t forget about your sterile Monsanto proprietary seeds.
>>64253478Same. It's particularly awful because at least with kids someone will usually be taking care of them, old people just get abandoned a lot of times.
>>64253322>>64253364Imagine being a wannabe jannie.
>>64253475>bomb it.Yeah youd think that, but these aren't apartments in gaza. A single 600ft skycraper topples and its like gassing half the island with turbo lung cancer for a week, on top of the mass indiscriminate casualties. The responsible faction instantly loses the pr war.
>>64253491I believe that anon is seething at jannies, not idolizing them. Sarcasm is difficult to understand, I know. You might not even notice that this very post has some sarcasm in it!
>>64253495>The responsible faction instantly loses the pr war.The main thing Israel’s shown is the PR war doesn’t actually matter.
>>64253545No shit it doesn't when your number 1 supporter is the USA and the people you're trying to genocide are even less sympathetic than your average dunecoon is.
>>64253506Yeah you're seething alright, I think everyone can notice that.
>>64253304The civil war for this city already occurred here and was lost (if you are white)
>>64253304It's never going to happen.first and foremost because there will be no civil war. but even if it did by the time that the liberals are getting besieged in their mega city strongholds they would have already lost the war and a political settlement would be reached.but it wouldn't even get to that because the rest of the world would be backing the liberals. if for no other reason that they don't take every chance they get to antagonize them.unless the navy goes 100% conservative it can't stop other powers from interfering and supplying the liberals.good luck trying to starve out the east or west coast mega cities while there is a chinese or european fleet off the coast keeping their supply lines open
>>64253304Who's fighting for control of New York in your fantasy OP?Rival gangs warring for control of turf?Urban peasant revolt against the elites who've oppressed them for generations?MAGA Force come to relieve the besieged Trump Tower from the Radical Leftist scourge?Upstate New Yorkers who've just had enough of the city slickers running everything?Resurgent Confederate States, intent on taking long-awaited and bloody revenge for the destruction of Atlanta 160 years ago by laying waste to the economic crown jewel of the Northeast and massacring its inhabitants?Lebensraum for New Jersey?
>>64253630>first and foremost because there will be no civil warEvery single civil war in human history has been preceded by this statementMake no mistake. It CAN happen here and it WILL if you (and American society as a whole) assume that it can't and just ignore the warning signs. The first and most important step to preventing it is to acknowledge that it's a possibility>but even if it did by the time that the liberals are getting besieged in their mega city strongholds they would have already lost the war and a political settlement would be reachedA political solution wouldn't be possible by that point, it would just become an endless cycle of escalating violence that goes on for generations until the United States is permanently dismembered by treaty after 50-100 million deaths. Like how the 30 Years' War for so long that most of those fighting it had been born after it had started by the time it was finally ended by the Peace of Westphalia>but it wouldn't even get to that because the rest of the world would be backing the liberals. if for no other reason that they don't take every chance they get to antagonize themLike who? Who cares enough about American liberals that they would be willing to raise an army and involve themselves in a continent-spanning racial civil war to bail them out?>unless the navy goes 100% conservative it can't stop other powers from interfering and supplying the liberals.>what is piracy>what is maritime insurance (hint: they jack up their rates for sailing into unsafe parts of the world)>good luck trying to starve out the east or west coast mega cities while there is a chinese or european fleet off the coast keeping their supply lines openNigger, the world economy would go into freefall if the US collapsed into civil war. Europe literally couldn't afford to intervene and the Chinese would be just as inclined to turn around supply the right-wingers with heavy weaponry to ensure that as many Americans die as possible
>>64253460Turns out dumbass country hicks are... dumb. A twist that will shock the audience.
>>64253438Not always, take the troubles for example, that lasted a decade and the members eventually were absorbed into an army. Assuming it evolves into something larger than the occasional car bomb, then it'll likely be like the spanish civil war - I just wonder how would that kick off and end.
>>64253672>Every single civil war in human history has been preceded by this statement.except for all the ones that where predicted. like the english, spanish(all of them) and the 30 years war to the extent you could call it one. heck even the american civil war was predicted the moment the south started to secede.also the general standard of living is to high for enough people to risk it all right now.>Like how the 30 Years' Warended with a political settlement before the heartland of the belligerent parties was threatened.>Like who? like everyone around. just look at the 30 years war, or the english civil war or the spanish civil war. no one bothered to get involved in any of those. why would they get involved in a far more important one?I also like to refer to the american civil war where despite the french not being able to afford it they bankrupt them selves intervening.do you think that if the US devolved into a civil war the rest of the world wouldn't be able to work around that? the US produces nothing they need and they can't get elsewhere. at it wouldn't cost them anything, park your fleets of the US coast to guarantee commercial shipping and let the liberals pay for the aid nog in defunct US dollars or assets in the US but by selling their own assets in the intervening countries. even if those run out having a US indebted to you or a number of breakaway states indebted to you has value in and of it's self. just look at how the US used european debt and the Marshall plan to influence their behavior.
>>64253685>Hyperbolic bullshit, it most certainly has not>Vera, a poet and newspaper editor in her 50s, was convinced that war would never come to Bosnia. Even in 1991, the year before the war began, with the Yugoslav army shelling towns on Croatia’s Dalmatian coast, with the Yugoslav army besieging the eastern Croatian town of Vukovar, Sarajevans did not believe that war would come to their beautiful city nestled in the mountains. War in Bosnia? No way, said Vera. It was too mixed up: Muslims, Orthodox, Catholics, Jews, all living together and intermarried. Vera was Croat. Vera’s former husband was half Croat and half Jewish. Drago, a retired economist and bank director, was Serb. Upstairs in Vera’s apartment building lived a Jewish-Croatian Bosnian and his Muslim Bosnian wife and their mixed son. The whole building was like that.Feel free to real the whole article niggerhttps://theintercept.com/2020/10/25/bosnia-war-us-election-politics/
>>64253363Pollute the water supply and you'll be able to turn it into an unlivable concrete desert in record time.
>>64253556USA has generally sucked at supporting her allies though, with the biggest success story being the USSR while countless other allies have perished even when she's sacrificed blood to help.
>>64253709>except for all the ones that where predicted.SOME people predicted those conflicts, but a whole lot more didn't and were completely blindsided when the shooting started. Even the famous Roman Civil War escalated out of control because largely Pompey, Cato, and the rest of the Roman Senate thought that Caesar would chicken out if pressed hard enough and wound up pushing him into a position where he felt that war was the only way.>also the general standard of living is to high for enough people to risk it all right now.By your logic, no country should have a civil war EVER because standard of living always goes to shit when they start. It's always just easier to stay on your little farm and tend to your goats instead of fighting.>ended with a political settlement before the heartland of the belligerent parties was threatened.Except you know, the core of what is now Germany which was reduced to such complete ruin that even the Second World War failed to surpass that level of destruction.
>>64253679Pretty sure democrats, liberal leftists they may be, are not quite as batshit as the Antifa types that domed Charlie the other day and then gloated about it. The US is in a state of breakdown of civil discourse, and sporadic outbreaks of violence will follow from it as the terminally online laymen among the left has clearly showed that they would rather kill people in broad daylight than be questioned, and now we have a precedent that gives the Trump administration plenty of reasons to crack down on them. They essentially turned every death-threat ever uttered on X or bluesky by these people into a, in the eyes of the government, potential domestic terrorist threat. It's a "caning of Charles Sumner" equivalent no doubt, but it will also stay at that level until the newer generations grow up and achieves a fundamental cultural change. Civil war ain't gonna happen.
>>64253733>Civil war ain't gonna happen.>immediately after calling it "a caning of Charles Sumner" equivalent
>>64253453Literally nothing you posted is even tangentially related to what i wrote. I'm asking about modernizing siege tactics of isolation to an entire modern city. Not some directionbrained retardation.
>>64253727some did, some didn't. saying no civil war was predicted is bogus just as saying they all where.>By your logic, no country should have a civil war EVER because standard of living always goes to shit when they startyes, standards of living goes to shit when the shooting starts, no shit sherlock. but most historical civil wars where fought by people that still struggled with food insecurity and cushy 14 hour workdays. good luck getting enough people to sit in trenches to fight you civil war without first nuking the economy.>Except you know, the core of what is now Germany which was reduced to such complete ruin that even the Second World War failed to surpass that level of destruction.the point you made was that people wouldn't settle for a political deal before their 9wn heartland was in danger.both the protestant north and Catholic south where mostly unmolested. with both sides supporters not even being touched.the bit in the middle was ruined but they where never the people in charge of the sides.as to their ruin, those numbers are from looking at parish records in the affected areas and comparing the population before and after the 30 years war. not taking into account the resettlement op people elsewhere.
>>64253733>Pretty sure democrats, liberal leftists they may be, are not quite as batshit as the Antifa types that domed Charlie the other day and then gloated about it.Well you might be surprised, there are some schizo Democrats who can really hyperventilate about Trump, but the thing that makes this different from civil wars in the past is that these are random killers. It's like deranged normies from hell. Somehow our society has generated these people and they're now attacking debate-me-bro streamers and "activists." There was a schizo that tried to kill Nick Fuentes and it was completely random, he just showed up at his house. What we've been getting are these stochastic and highly individual acts. Luigi also wasn't really a leftist. His views seem rather middle-of-the-road for an American.
>>64253304URBUS DELENDA ESTEvery night I picture cities, walled off and burning, just to soothe myself to sleep.>>64253322>>64253453>>64253460>>64253479>>64253495>>64253630>>64253682>>64253733Post your guns with timestamp or fuck off cityoid trash
>>64253986OOOOOOOY VEEEEEEEEEEY
>>64253858>Luigi also wasn't really a leftist.They found Fascist literature among his personal effects
>>64253322This is so autistic. Shut your dumb ass up. Oh boo hoo, conversations about firearms and war, with obvious political aspects surrounding them, naturally veer into politics often enough. Who would have thought?
>>64253986Except if it doesnt happen in China as well, well I hope you saved enough cans of beans and bullets to fight the Chinese too.
>>64253428>?si=kZQPVTH-XIjETGorthank you mossad
>>64253322Fuck off back to the Ukraine subreddit you goddamn tourist
>>64253986Now post your s@y field and/or Monsanto contract.
>>64254946Without mire details, statements like that are kinda useless. I've got both Das Kapital and Mein Kampf on my bookshelf. Doesn't mean I'm a commination.
