Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter
>>64253877That is actually pretty good reprensation of post apo soldier, other than M-16. It should be BR.
>>64253877Whenever anyone tries to justify the NCR being a 'bad' faction lore wise I always find myself remembering why I hate fallout fans.>they're just the corrupt capitalists of today!ya cool something I know how to and have been dealing with my whole life. The benefits of said society are FAR better in a post apocalyptic world as compared to the rapist baby murderers that is the legion, the technophile genetic elitist that is/was the BoS and the cooler looking BoS, or the lamer looking institute. The minutemen could be cool if someone fucking ELSE could help the settlements instead of me 24/7. The only faction of all you could argue are better than the NCR are the followers of the apocalypse, and even then they're basically fallout hippies. NCR is the peak fallout choice and it's not even and never will be close.
>>64253877>>64253883The NCR having anything close to 1900s kit makes no sense. Fallout is literally still on the downswing technologically and Melee skirmishers are still worth the expense in water to get them to the front lines. This is a setting that wants melee charges and cobbled together junk armor to be effective and gave an entire army a weapon that can punch straight through a quarter inch of steel.
>>64253889The faggots LOVE the NCR you deluded fucking idiot. The NCR is the "modern status quo" faction that helps women and minorities against the ebul capitalist (read: I get to keep my own property and life) Mr. House and the ebul-ER nazi roman chuds.Post your gun you weepy bleeding vagina.
>>64253924found the lorelet. Caesars legion troops are basically peak human usain bolt tribals who believe they are immune to bullets, while NCR soldiers are soi caricatures who don't want to be there, are on drugs, corrupt and their CO probably sold their bullets to go to Vegas with.Caesars legion also use psychological warfare tactics, booby traps, ambushes and so on. American indians did pretty well against americans and that was without any unity between themMore important though the experienced caesars legion soldiers do use guns, they have actual anti material rifles and marksman rifles. If you think the NCR would destroy caesars legion then you also think that Navy seals armed with lever actions rifles would be defeated by the afghan national army
>>64253930>Caesars legion troops are basically peak human usain bolt tribals who believe they are immune to bullets,Only a massive noguns goon would think that this "explanation" actually excuses the situation. That's like saying "you think a cannonball to the chest would kill him? shows what you know, he was wearing Kevlar". Its an explanation orders of magnitude removed from the scale required.It is a FACT that a significant portion of the legion's troops are guys wearing crude armor using melee weapons. I'm going to blow your mind but it doesn't actually matter if that's 1/10 or 1/2 or 1/20 or 9/10, (even though we know for a fact a LARGE proportion of the Legion's troops are melee infantry) their presence AT ALL puts hard limits on NCR troops well below even raw recruits with 5.56 rifles. It cant be handwaved away with your gay memes. It literally doesn't matter that some Legion troops have guns, it wouldn't matter if most of them had guns, the PRESENCE of the melee troops proves my point completely. Peak human is meaningless. "but they like believe stuff" holy shit, Completely meaningless. You even bringing it up immediately flags you as some underage faggot from another board.They wanted a setting where with a couple times (not 100 or 200 to 1) numerical advantage and good tactics, a faction that uses large numbers of primitive skirmishers to supplement gun armed troops made sense as a legitimate threat to an army that exclusively uses guns. You can concoct a scenario where that makes sense, and spoiler it's not one where their enemies have box magazine fed intermediate caliber rifles.
>>64253927NCR got a boost in love because of the way they were abused in the Fallout tv show. They are being liked to spite Todd.
>>64253924Why? Its just canvas and boiled leather, and the pre-expansion NCR had every possible advantage of expertise, its not like they had to rediscover textiles. As for the rifle, they don't make them, the gun runners produce them on contract using prewar blueprints and machinery. Much less plausible that the legion were able to scavenge tens of thousands of pieces of still useable hockey pads.>This is a setting that wants melee charges and cobbled together junk armor to be effectiveThe whole point is that the NCR is the first opponent the legion have ever faced where meatwaves with machetes aren't effective, which forces them into the asymmetrical strategies they use ingame. They wouldn't be rolling barrels of glowing shit into searchlight or running lotteries in nipton if they could just chop everybody up with a lawnmower blade.
>>64253889>NCR is the peak fallout choice and it's not even and never will be closeCounterpoint - pic rel
>>64253924Yeah, because JE Sawyer loves guns.
If you try to justify it (just because) I'd say the Legion is more like the Zulus: technologically backward, but fanatically devoted to zerg rushing their (thinly stretched) opponents.Makes of course no sense when you have artillery and vertibirds in the area and a literal mother-of-all-chokepoints in the Hoover Dam, but whatever.
I don't know what you idiots are so bent out of shape about. Not only does the Legion use plenty of guns (they just excuse having less with retarded cult programming); not only is the NCR fighting 3 wars and economically exhausted; not only is the NCR hamstrung by a nepotist President, a crybaby narcissist theater commander, and a literal intel leaking traitor Ranger commander; but unless you side with Caesar and MAKE him win, he loses by default. Again. As you'd expect.
>>64254319vertibirds are super rare, there's not a single one in the mojave that works, the artillery cannon is also broken
>>64254319even artillery (which there isn't much of) isnt much use without training and coordination, it's not like the legion has a ton of fixed positions you can safely bombard, if you want to move around the artillery that's a pain in the ass without motorisatioon and it can be ambushed. If you are using it in a direct fire role your guys probably get flanked or picked off by legion sharpshooters from 2 miles away.
>>64254091>They are being liked to spite Todd.Wtf I love NCR now?
>>64253970Getting jacked in Fallout actually does make you harder to kill by bullets, as in 'getting set on fire and kicked down a cliff is now survivable' levels of comical durability.The Legion statistically have way tougher troops because they work out all day and get used to pain and harsh conditions. The NCR's soldiers are weaker but have better equipment for the most part.
>>64253924It makes perfect sense, if anything they should be more developed. >>64253927>against the ebul capitalistExcept its a lore point that they are in an economic pickle, being taken off the gold standard, and as a result are wrapped around the finger of the brahmin barons. I prefer House, btw. >Post your gunk here is one of mine, now you, but for real, its just a game bro>>64254091My issue with that, is that Bethesda writers have a huge hard-on for civilization's decline in Fallout. Not that that isn't a critical part of the setting, but 200+ years after the great war, with the tools at hand, people would have rebuilt. It really brakes the immersion for me when I played FO4, and there are people who live in buildings with skeletons in it, and they couldn't even to be bothered to board up the broken windows, or patch the gaping holes in the walls.
>>64254444>there are people who live in buildings with skeletons in it, and they couldn't even to be bothered to board up the broken windows, or patch the gaping holes in the walls.The thing that pisses me off is that they could solve that by just having the games they're doing occur way earlier in the timeline, if that's the world they want to have(checked btw)
>>64253927Y’all fucking always group modern bs into the NCR when they aren’t that at all
>>64254478Its clear thats what they wanted to go for, and really there was no reason why they couldn't have. I don't know why there was emphasis for timeline continuity when you are on the opposite side of the country. >>64254824For real. I've always seen the NCR as being akin to the post civil war union, pushing frontiers, and rapidly industrializing (for better or worse).
>>64254890>for better or worseThis. They're a post-apocalyptic "manifest destiny" machine only pushing eastward instead of westward
>>64253889they get beaten by guys in hockey pads who don't use guns, and they're all blackpilled >>64254824i wanted to like the NCR more because of their New Deal America aesthetics, which are nice and the fact that the legion looks dumb, but one of their main tenants is gay marriage and i just thought that was out of place
>>64254444It is quads of truth here.Bethesda never understood that despite being advertised as such, Fallout was never a post-apocalypse game. It was essentially post-post-apocalypse game. The rebuilding had begun, civilizations were returning, but yet everyone and everything functions like the bombs just dropped yesterday.At least they didn't do Fallout the Frontier.
>>64254923>It was essentially post-post-apocalypse game.This was always the thing for me, every choice I made in all of the games had at its heart "Will this move us further away from the apocalypse?"
>>64253877I love how the largest nation state got its nuked and collapsed off screen before they invaded the mojave
>>64254917>but one of their main tenants is gay marriage and i just thought that was out of placeHow? They have the population to not give a shit about it
>>64253877>playing fagout jew vegasYWNBAW
>>64255594As opposed to what, FO4 or some other nu slop? >>64255475Are they? Theres like one gay NCR character, that officer at the Mojave outpost.
>>64253924In the end you just have to accept that it's an RPG not a simulator game or a real attempt presenting alt-history, and in any game where melee and guns coexist and are slightly equally valid options, guns will be several magnitudes less effective than real life. The NCR are presented as being slightly competent and have non-overwhelming numerical inferiority, short of giving them musket weaponry it's not going to be a fair fight if we apply real life rules.
>>64253924Have you actually played the series nigga?
>>64255600Two. One is a desk jockey who implies the NCR has DADT. The other is a bulldyke in 1st Recon who sexually harasses women to compensate for being raped by a Fiend.
>>64255600What about the butch lesbian sniper lady in Camp McCarran? The one who gives out $380 NCR bucks for offing Cook Cook?
>>64255879>>64255880That's right I forgot about her.
>>64253927For me it's>screw over literally everybody oftentimes for no practical reason, build hell on Earth choosing the worst options for everybody, kill Ulysses and then nuke both NCR and Legionkind of Independent ending.
>>64255594>being a dumb frog poster
I remember there was some old /k/ /k/ommando that made a blueprint of an NCR vest. I forget if it took metal plates or if it was the old fiberglass armor trick. But it was before commercial gucci plates were really on the market. This uniform isn't just great for some post-nuclear soldier apparel, this is just a good uniform for the American west in general and would meet or exceed all standards until the Korean war era and forward, depending on if it's a flak vest or if it can actually stop any kind of rifle round. It's a hop skip and jump away from a modern American soldier but lacks all modern gadgetry and vehicle/industrial support. It's top tier stuff in and out of universe.
>>64256027>It's top tier stuff in and out of universe.It's in a universe where football gear can provide some level of protection against bullets.
>>64256027>depending on if it's a flak vest or if it can actually stop any kind of rifle round.Odds are it's boiled brahmin leather, there's one character (the gun merchant (the independent one, not Alex the Gun Runner) at the 188 who mentions she's pissed off that they've started deploying new recruits without proper body armor.
>>64256071Aren't there a lot of troops in game that aren't wearing the vest? I always thought they were talking about them. >>64256049Yeah?
>>64256102Possibly, although even if it were boiled leather that would at least help against basic melee weapons whilst still being light
>>64256027Buts that's all fanfiction. Ingame its as protective as reinforced leather (it should be noted, unreinforced leather is literally a biker jacket with a missing sleeve), while weighing nearly twice as much; and in setting is disposable conscript shit. Maybe you're confusing it for the patrol armor, which is very gucci and explicitly handmade by the NCR, and presumably incorporates the same ceramics and polymers as the pre-war combat armor.
