>https://www.leonardo.com/en/press-release-detail/-/detail/09-09-2025-industry-partners-form-gcap-electronics-evolution-consortium-to-deliver-sensing-and-communications-for-next-generation-fighter>https://www.janes.com/osint-insights/defence-news/c4isr/dsei-2025-industry-partners-form-gcap-electronics-evolution-consortiumAnother Joint Venture for the GCAP has been born. It will be called "GCAP Electronics Evolution (G2E)" and it will be tasked with the development of integrated sensors and communications component for the project. The Joint Venture if made up of these companies.JPN: Mitsubishi ElectricUK: Leonardo UKIT: ELT GroupThe four (Edgewing included) companies will collaborate to provide the next-generation advanced sensing and communications system, known as the Integrated Sensing and Non-Kinetic Effects & Integrated Communications Systems (ISANKE & ICS), as well as the integrated long-term logistics support service (TLSS), which will accompany the system for decades.It seems like GCAP is the only non american 6th gen program proceding smoothly.
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>>64253954Press release
>>64253952>GCAP 10.jpghaving tails makes that 5th gen -- not 6th gen
>>64253952>GCAP Electronics EvolutionClose enough. Welcome back, Mitsubishi Evo.
>>64253981that's not how that works, lol.
>>64253981>t. chinkSorry, rin peng. If being tairress was enough to make a prane 6th gen then the germans wourd be the first.
>>64253981so are you saying that having canards means china has no 5th gen?
>>64253981Is that the current internal propaganda circulating within West Taiwan?
>>64253981stfu 奴才 lmao
>>64253981Hilariously enough this thread is literally about what will make the GCAP 6th gen, the avionics, sensors etc. Something China is 4-5 decades behind, so to do their usual weak posturing they scrambled to show their 1:1 copied from the US studies tailless designs in order to save face.
>>64253952A joint venture for the engines was also formed, with Rolls Royce, Avio Aero and IHI. I expect RR will probably do most of the work there, but it's good that the other partners are still involvedhttps://aviationweek.com/defense/aircraft-propulsion/gcap-engine-team-makes-progress-demonstrator
>>64253952>mitsubishi>leonardo>another italian companyWhy no british company?
>>64253952So Italians and Japs pushed Brits out?
>>64253981here's your 6th gen plane bro>>64253996Ackshyually, the French would be first>The concept of the flying wing was born on 16 February 1876 when French engineers Alphonse Pénaud and Paul Gauchot filed a patent for an aero-plane or flying aircraft [5] powered by two propellers and with all the characteristics of a flying wing as we know it today.[6]
>>64254075The brits will do the heavy lifting in the engine development, if you want to maintain a 33.3% workshare while also assigning each nation/company to their best suited enviroment you'll have to compromise in some areas (FCAS could learn from this). The brits won't miss out on anything since it's the UK subsidiary of Leonardo that is partecipating, technology transfers are guaranteed.
>>64253981countries that has absolutely NOTHING flying dont get to dictate what it is and what is nothope that helps
>>64253981Ah, so that's the script they're reciting now.
>>64254191>FCASNo such thing
>The F-47 program is an acquisition program to develop and field an F-47 Weapon System comprising the Air Vehicle, Ground, Training, and Digital Infrastructure Segments. Key F-47 attributes include enhancements in survivability, lethality, persistence, and interoperability across various military operations. Studies required to develop operational/system architectures to include a family of systems and spectral dominance platforms will also mature [under this effort]-US DODHere's my contribution with the latest on the F-47. Whole lotta word salad but the F-47 is well into EMD from the start of this year with X-Planes since 2019 so all we can do is wait for tangible updates. These guys are smart, they aren't giving the chinks a crumb.
>>64254367>The F-47 program is an acquisition program to develop and field an F-47 Weapon System comprising the Air Vehicle, Ground, Training, and Digital Infrastructure SegmentsSorry for the dumb question, but isn't that literally any fighter jet? I was under the impression that if a country buys (even from their own company) a fighter etc you are not just getting a plane but simulators, ground equipment, training, logistics etc
>>64254397Yeah, that's right. Word salad. The important segment is after that in which they state>enhancements in survivability, lethality, persistence, and interoperability across various military operations. Studies required to develop operational/system architectures to include a family of systems and spectral dominance platforms will also mature [under this effort]Which could be interpreted as better stealth and speed (survivability), better avionics and weapons systems like the JATM and MAKO integration (lethality), the most tangible one yet: 30% more fuel efficient XA-100 engine and bigger fuel tanks (persistence). Interoperability would just mean slotting it in to be part of a datalink or Aegis killchain web and CCAs for family of systems. Spectral dominance platforms is also very interesting because it could mean anything from jamming a Growler pod into the F-47 to cooled airframes and laser weapons.
>>64254428is there any info if it will still have supermanouverability or they'll go the GCAP route of high cruising missile boat?
>>64254454No idea but I bet it'll be something like the YF-23 where it can still do respectable maneuvers.
>>64253952>frogs not in the program>goes perfectly and ahead of scheduleColor me surprised.
>>64254068Leonardo UK is entirely britoid, just owned by the Italians.
>>64254068>>64254075This is for the avionics and EW suite. Rest of the plane especially the engine will have wholly British companies working on it.
>>64254623That's just false, Leonardo UK has no independence outside of short term local management, strategic direction, R&D frameworks and major capital decisions flow is still managed by Leonardo. It's quite literally, a subsidiary.>>64254667>Rest of the plane especially the engine will have wholly British companies working on itThere is not a single aspect of GCAP that will have only a single nation working on it. The workshare of a nation within a segment can be greater than the others like with the Engines Consortium being mostly UK led, but not by much. It's the same approach we had for the Tornado and Eurofighter.
Japan is the only country with a next gen prototype engine core. The lack of financial commitment by the British government to actual money is biting them in the ass now.Even ignoring that Japan is the only one with a flying thrust vectoring prototype. The Eurofighter one was developed by the German and Spanish.
>>64254705>To actually invest
>>64253996germans only spearheaded the first gen 5 fighter jets. :(
>>64254685Oh, thanks for clarifying that. I thought Rolls Royce would be taking the brunt of the engine work.
>>64254705>Japan is the only country with a next gen prototype engine coreWell, thankfully Japan is in the GCAP program!>The lack of financial commitment by the British government to actual money is biting them in the ass nowchinkshill delusions>Even ignoring that Japan is the only one with a flying thrust vectoring prototype>>The Eurofighter one was developed by the German and Spanishsad lack of historical knowledge. And the GCAP will not have TVC since it's useless.
>>64254742They will still be the ones doing most of the work most likely. It depends on what kind of engines they will choose. If they want adaptive cycle engines they will have to rely on the Japanese. Italian Avio Areo makes parts of the F-35 engines but they'll obviously be the ones with the least workshare assigned to them in this department.
>>64254742It's a joint venture between IHI and RR.Japan has a lot of material research for high temperature engines and gas turbines (ceramics and alloys), besides engines are expensive to develop.
>>64254742Japan are the only ones to have actually run an engine at the thrust level and engine inlet temp required for this type of programand the rumor mill for ahwile now has been the engine core for GCAP will be based on the IHI XF9 prototype.
Speaking of sixth genhttps://breakingdefense.com/2025/09/lockheed-ceo-says-firm-in-very-active-talks-with-dod-on-ferrari-f-35-with-sixth-gen-tech/
>>64254776>IHI and RR.Also Avio Oreo.
>>64254776>>64255062Why doesn't the Consortium choose a cool name? Like "Pizza, Ramen and Pubs."
>>64255140European projects are allergic to cool names. Especially the italians who simply name everything with an alphanumeric code. PA-200, F-2000A etc.
>>64255163Eurofighter is derivative, but cool. So was the Panavia Tornado. I hope they end up calling it Tempest Consortium.
>>64255140A.I.R. Consortium.
>>64255140UK, Italy and Japan unironically have the best cuisines in the world
>>64254995>mfw they're gonna skip block 4 entirely and give it gen 5.5 treatment
>>64256221Block 4 is too far along to skip, Gen 5.5 will likely be the next step beyond block 4 though.
>>64256227when are they gonna fucking get it done it's been 10 years
>>642562422031 is the current date (announced a week or two ago).Any 5.5 gen upgrade would be ~2035-2040 timeframe.
>>64254705>>64254742>>64254770>>64254770https://aviationweek.com/defense/aircraft-propulsion/gcap-engine-team-makes-progress-demonstratorLooks like a demonstrator engine will be made first, both the demonstrator and the production engine will be new engines not built off anything existing directly. RR seems to be doing most of the work at least for the demo engine, it will be based on RR's Advance 1 and 2 engines further informing us that the engine will focus on high altitude performance and effieciency.
>>64256827>both the demonstrator and the production engine will be new engines not built off anything existing directlyi heard they used modified ej200 for the demonstrator
>>64254995>>64256251QTDDTOTThe F-35 production lines are designed to mimic Liberty class production capabilities.The hardware supply will be impressive.But How to source qualified pilots?
>>64258400I don't understand your question
GCAP full scale model at DSEI
>>64258400There isn't a shortage of F-35 pilots as 350 or so graduate every year.
>>64258563plus now italy is building the first OCU training center outside of the US, which will increase the pilot output even further
>>64253981Quite pitiful how they can't design a state of the art airframe.
>>64258612here's >>64254150 your state of the art design shitass
>>64258612Yeah, It's what happens when the country doesn't invest in R&D and can only copy everything the others do. You're now left with a cargo cult industry that replicates what it sees without even understanding why.The perfect example is their J-20 and J-35, less stealthy than a hornet with external bags, no DASS nor any kind of actual contemporary radar. Let it sink in that most chinese jets don't even have a true Datalink integration with their AWACS.
>>64258630It's funny as shit to watch chinkshills try and make things there were forced to do as a talking point. >yu no have troo seataw fightawYeah, cause our datalinks and sensor fusion capabilities are good enough that we don't need to lug around an extra wizzo.>6fth gren is trailress, reel steawth is trailress all asprectI genuinely think it's a new script that's being handed out because across all platforms wumaos have been bringing it up out of nowhere. Nigger, the F-35 from it's worst aspect is stealthier than a J20 head on.
>>64253952Europeans are literally incapable of making a good plane. This will fail like every single one of their military projects fail. >>64254023Europeans are farther behind technologically than China. They have literally no useful electronics industry to speak of.
>>64258630The problem is that Chinese people are not even ashamed by that. It's rooted in their Confucianism culture where Confucius said that the person coming up with something and the one who stole his idea are just as smart. Their entire culture is based on the premise that you need to swindle others.Ask any westeners who went to China to teach english in schools, you give an assigment for an essay and all the students will come back with the fucking same essay. if you try to give them a failing grade the faculty will remind you that as long as they bought an essay, it's valid. China will never be able to invent anything because of this. >>64258652>nooo you wirr fair!lmao. You're literally in a thread about the integration of ISANKE & ICS, something China will never be able to replicate. Come back when you have a 1970s datalink.
>>64258647>cause our datalinks and sensor fusion capabilities are good enough that we don't need to lug around an extra wizzo.American ones are. Not Europoor/Jap ones.
>>64258548>>64258552Don't really feel the delta version, lambda variant is sexo though.
>>64258657I am not in a thread about that, because the companies discussing doing that are unable to do that. This is the same type of shit that was said about the Eurofighter, that it was a flying revolution and proof that Europe was catching up (of even surpassing) the Russians, or even the US, and it was a total flop. Every European arms project is a giant flop. Because not only is their military industrial complex weak, but they lack basically an entire consumer electronics industry at this point that doesn't rely on foreign production engineering. All these things that you dream this project will have, aren't going to be there. They never will be there. Because the groups making it don't have the skills or access to the skills to make that happen. The US is right now the only country that can make a good plane with conformation. China might be able to make a half-decent one even if it is a clunker by just forcing it.Europe will never make even a mediocre one.
>>64258658There is no use in trying to argue with a bugman/VANK like you. Even if we bought forth all kind of evidence you'd dismiss it with a "noooooo i don't believe it!"
>>64258664There is no evidence. If the engineers aren't American, then the entire project should be ignored.
>>64258666>>64258663>because the companies discussing doing that are unable to do that.According to a salty bugman like you?>Every European arms project is a giant flopWhy do you ignore history?>China might be able to make a half-decent one even if it is a clunker by just forcing itBwahahahahahahahahaMan, I love your tears.
>>64258670The smartest way to use the GCAP's funding is to put it into NVIDIA (an American company) stock, then wait for the F47 to release and beg and beg and beg the US to be allowed to buy some. And hopefully they'd have made enough money off the investment to afford a few by the time it comes out. If it ain't American, then it is by definition, bad.
>>64258674Your attempts to make this thread devolve into a EU vs USA shitfest are obvious. How does it feel to know that China doesn't have a single 5th gen aircraft and it will NEVER have a 6th gen one?
>>64258678based
>>64258678Nice American fighter on that patch. Where's the European 5th gen? Sorry to rain on your Europoor circlejerk thread where all the local ESL's gather to post about how this time Europe is going to make itself relevant, but I'm bringing reality back to the situation. The GCAP is going to fail like every other European military development project fails. Because Europe lacks the engineering talent and the manufacturing capabilities to make anything that is at all relevant. Just like they're buying F35's today, because they can't make anything better, so too will they buy the second string of US 6th gen fighters because GCAP will fail. And they should accept that today and prepare for it.
>>64258694Leaving aside your obvious lack of knowledge about the F-35 JSF program, why are you seething so much bugman? Repeating the same 2 whumao talking points doesn't work. Is it because the most common couple in your country is WMAF? Or is it because you haven't be able to conquer a small island a couple of kilometers off your coasts?
>>64258709Its fun that you're trying to force this thing where I'm a Chinese guy that is shilling for the US out of some machiavellian scheme, but it just doesn't work. The GCAP will fail, it never had a chance of not failing, even. So just get ready to buy American. Be excited even to buy American, because then you'll know that it will work and be very effective. Unlike literally every project that Europeans have put their heads together on for many decades. So stop with the Europoor fantasies that this time you're all going to work together and knock it out of the park and come up with something innovative and impressive. That you're going to master some mix of technology and engineering that you at this point have zero experience with.
>>64258727>Its fun that you're trying to force this thing where I'm a Chinese guy that is shilling for the US out of some machiavellian scheme, but it just doesn't work.Prove it, post a timestamped gun then.
>>64258652>Europeans are farther behind technologically than China.lol, lmao. China today doesn't even have 8% of market share in 14nm< processes from a decade ago.>They have literally no useful electronics industry to speak of.The fuck is ASML, IMEC, ARM, and NXP then? I'm not even a europoor and I know they are the biggest link in global tech.
>>64258741The moment you fall into the trap of trying to argue with a chinkshill is the moment you lose, be ready for a reply that ignores any evidence and will simply make shit up, use misleading conjectures etc.
>>64258752This one is a slimy bastard, trying to false flag as a burger to turn people against each other when the bongs, wops and Japs all had firsthand experience in 5th gens with the F-35 program.
>>64253952Which gen is the "super soldiers fight on the ground then jump in the air and morph into a plane and go 'pew pew' with lazers and got liek dronez swarm with 'em"?9?
>>64256251>Block IV won't be done until 2031.Curse this gay ass reality.
>>64258780it's still leagues better than anything puccia/chinkland have so we have no rush
>>64258663The Eurofighter was a flop?
>>64258783For some reason, I had it in my head that Block IV was imminent. That there were a bunch of finished F-35s waiting in Fort Worth for the software to be finalized.
>europe's greatest innovation in the last 20 years is attached bottlecaps>think they can compete with the US and China in high tech aircraftlolrumao even
>>64258796Those bottlecaps have fucking worked it seems.
>>64258736See? It's the age old checkpoint of /k/ to oust thirdie shills. As soon as you aks them to show a timestamped gun they run away.
>>64258796>hyperfixation on a single thing as argument to explain large complicated topic to himselfmidwit moment
>>64258832People sometimes forget that Europe still has fantastic industrial infrastructure. I just took a Rhine River cruise this summer, and the part through the Ruhr was awesome.
>>64258832>that hard plateau after thevarusoof, that really did a number on the chinks didn't it?
>>64258842the only thing in terms of innovation where europe might be a little anemic is all those techbro startup scams, the US has a lot more of those.in all other sectors europe is absolutely crucial for the global supply chain in the exact same way the US is, european countries just haven't had a reason to build the kinds of weapons the US does, now that they do, there's no reason why they can't make their own.
>>64258854>the only thing in terms of innovation where europe might be a little anemic is all those techbro startup scamsOur weak side is EU born and based digital services.
>>64258736>>64258837>go take a shit and europoors start getting smugDon't you lot have to register each bullet with the government?
>>64258871Hey, at least now we know you're not a chinkshill.
>>64258741>ASML Sandia's baby. Literally chosen just because they weren't Japanese back in the 90s. Can't actually make anything with the machines they produce by themselves.
>>64258862that's what i was jokingly referring to, yeah.i was being a little dishonest, many of these services are quite influential, and europe is pretty lacking (though not absent) in the digital service sector, but it's still true that a large portion of them nowadays are ticking timebomb bubbles that don't make any money (or rather, profit)the only other sector i can think of where the US has massive advantage at the moment is launch and satellite services, mostly because of one singular company.
>>64258785Absolutely. It was meant to be a top tier plane. Not what it ended up as, a budget model where adoption was driven by national pride, rather than actual utility.
>>64258871don't you have a hungry escalator to feed, D&C chinkshill?
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>>64253993also
>>64258871>ask for timestamped gun>posts timestamped ammo cansSo, you're not a bug but just a retard? Still, knowing the US you could still be a bug.>>64258881>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQTVb5QMlcg>https://youtu.be/YWhj6cyavUoyour F-22 raptors pilot love to praise it tho. Weird that huh?
>>64258335They are using EJ200 for the UK jet demonstrator, the engine demonstrator is a similar idea in that it will be used to demonstrate that the countries can work together on making a new engine before they begin work on the actual production engine. It might be fit to the demonstrator aircraft for testing purposes.
>>64258901>friendly pilot is very polite and positive after getting to play around and have fun in a novel aircraft during a military exercise with allies>this means that the eurofighter is actually goodHe'd be very positive and polite about a Cessna or a P51 too, lol. He even called out it being merely a 4th Gen plane. His biggest noteworthy comment was pointing out the tactical differences between the Typhoon and the Raptor, with the former being more focused on low altitude action. Which is mostly a preservation instinct for the F22 that doesn't exist for the Typhoon, on account of it being massively more valuable. With a small comment that due to its lower max speed and light weight, it felt more nimble when doing low speed maneuvers. He openly criticized it for having primitive electronics. Which is accurate to Europeans being dogshit with anything digital.
>>64253952>can barely augment a 4th gen plane into a 4.5 gen>can't even make a single 5th gen plane>want to now cut the line to the front and make a 6th gen This is going to blow up badly. Why don't these dickheads realize that you do things in the right order because you need to learn all the basics before you can jump ahead? Instead of trying to beat the Chinks or Burgers, why don't these dudes just catch up to them first. The Koreans are the only smart people here because they know how to work within bounds and follow the path others have trodden as they learn. The KF21 is a smart and very reasonable plane for the Koreans to develop for themselves, and it will probably be successful and teach them a lot about semi-modern fighter design that they can parlay into a later, newer, fighter in the future. Neither the Japs, Bongs, nor Dagos have developed organic 5th gen designs for themselves yet. And now they want to come up with something no one else has yet. This is overambitious and underplanned.
>>64259098>He openly criticized it for having primitive electronics>No. 29 Squadron RAFNo shit, they have almost only tranche 1 and 2 Typhoons. And you don't really want to go into the electronics debate while holding the side of the F-22 that has a notoriously inferior radar and didn't even have a HMCS untill very recently. >Which is accurate to Europeans being dogshit with anything digital.You can keep believing what you want, it doesn't make it a reality.
>>64259145Japan already has one 5th gen class turbofan and one +5th gen class turbofan. RR have an advanced demostrator (XG240) and they are adding Avia.Fighter design start with the engine and can be a failure due to it, they have that covered. They are also capable to make the avionic and more than capable of the composite and material science side.The rest will depend on the take of each country, even the 4th generation varied considerably depending who was using it.
>>64259145>can't even make a single 5th gen planePlease read the development of the JSF>This is going to blow up badly.Like the KF-21 not having a single customer confirmed yet even after having had half MOD guys fly in it for marketing stunts?>Neither the Japs, Bongs, nor Dagos have developed organic 5th gen designs for themselves yetKinda funny all three of them are literally the ones most involved outside of the US in the development of the F-35 program, even better, all three of them have FACOs for F-35s and build parts for all the world fleet of F-35. Outside the US nobody has more experience with 5th gen fighter than these 3 countries. I'm sorry that the GCAP being the the only 6th gen fighter currently on budget and on schedule is such a confidence blow to thirdies.
>>64258871That's not a gun.
>>64258630>J-20 and J-35, less stealthy than a hornet with external bagsI can see that being true for the J-20 but how do we know that the J-35 is less stealthy than a hornet?also, do you mean the superhornet, or is it really even less stealthy than the A/B/C/D?
>>64259184I hope they are not trying to market that as a 5th gen, cause what the fuck
>>64258788They have the TR-3 hardware which is required for Block 4 software.They had a bunch of TR-3 planes built but awaiting software to be delivered. They finally got initial software that allows them to be used as trainers, but are not currently combat capable. The Pentagon expects initial combat capability in 2026 but still says it'll be at LEAST 2031 until all the Block 4 features are implemented. tldr; TR-3 jets are being delivered but are only capable of training for the next year or so and even after that they'll only get basic combat capability while full block 4 function will be a phased rollout that SHOULD be complete around 2031.
>>64258400In the future, "qualified pilots" will be 20 year olds who press the takeoff button on an iPad.
>>64259364elon musk tier take
>>64258727>>64258694Hey Chink, wtf are you talking about?FAILING? Both the Eurofighter and the Rafale are probably the most successful 4.5th Gen fighters on the market.
>>64259167This is what makes a true indigenous jet beyond 4.5th gen possible. The Koreans gave up entirely and just went for F-414s, the Turks went for F-110s in their KAAN but still have the cheek to say that they'll be flying an indigenous engine for it by 2032. Not happening. They don't even have monocrystal blade tech yet, much less superalloy metallurgy. Jet engines are a motherfucker, China spent 40 years and $120B on engines with countless Russian and American engines to reverse engineer only to match the performance of an F-119 from the 90s with their next best one matching an F-404.
>>64259145>Instead of trying to beat the Chinks or Burgers>implying the chinks are on the level of the burgers>failing that, implying that the chinks have 5th gen planes at allnot so subtle, chinkshill
>>64259468They are successful for being cheap for thirdies to buy. 30 years after they were anything near relevant. Not for being competitive among nations with actual air forces.The F35 is the real Acme Standard of plane.
>>64259880>they are not successful!>ok they are successful but not to who I like>they have shit electronics!>ok they are tranche 1 and current one are good but ignore that!>hey! please believe I'm american! >no I can't post a timestamped photo of a gun!>Europe has no experience building 5th gen planes>please ignore that the 3 nations building GCAP are literally the only 3 other nations outside of the US who were tier 1 and 2 of the JSF program, co-developing and building it!Why don't you put at least some effort in your coping? Your entire mantra is literally ignoring everything people say to you and repeat the same 2 or 3 talking points. It's almost as if you don't even understand what we are saying and you're just going off a wumao script.
>>64259899>>ok they are successful but not to who I likeIt doesn't matter what shitholes like India buy. It matters what actual nations with actual militaries buy. That is entirely correct. No one that wants a good plane buys European. They buy American, because America is a nation that is good at engineering. Euros sucking the cum drops that the US left behind on the F35 project does not make them anything like experts in actually designing a plane. Your entire argument relies on the innuendo of the US letting them sit in the Dunce corner as they designed the F35, as them having a big role in designing the planes. That is simply not true. Nothing at all would make a rational person think that is true. Europe is irrelevant. They have been irrelevant for decades but /k/ constantly deals with an influx of pathetic ESL nationalists that come here and pretend that their poverty military homelands are definitely on the level of a nation with an actual military and engineering culture, like the US.
>>64259968please refer back to >>64259899
>>64259977Why doesn't any nation that wants cutting edge aircraft ever buy European?
>>64259981>Why *lies that I made up*I don't know, why do you larp as an american when it's blatantly clear you're a bugman ESL?
>>64259981>Why doesn't any nation that wants cutting edge aircraft ever buy Chinese?ftfy
>>64260383>>>/pol/Still, statistically much more than both the US and China for obvious reasons.
>>64259145Japan already flew a 5th gen demonstrator X-2 though. The UK is also building a 6th gen demonstrator, and was developing BAE Replica before they joined F-35.The experience brought the UK the only Tier 1 partner position in the program. Plus as the pic Japan almost prototyped a 5th gen fighter based on 26DMU concept as a specimen in preliminary tech demonstration for F-X program. They could build a real 5th gen fighter that outclasses KF-21 in every aspect by a large margin anytime by simply putting together already prototyped components and subsystems but they don't do that because at this point generic 5th gen is low hanging fruit for them, not considered adequate for securing air superiority against China from 2035~. Many of critical technologies for GCAP have already gone through extensive and meticulous demonstrations in F-X and Tempest programs, that's one of the reasons why it's the only credible 6th gen program outside of the US for now.
>>64258630>Wing Loong 2Kek, what a dumb fucking name
>>64259200guns are illegal in china/worst korea
>>64256827There is a different between what the UK side calls Tempest and the actually multinational GCAP project. Though the British side doesn't make a good job of communicating it properly because they still kinda sell it as British thing.
>>64261895True, but the UK will call the GCAP Tempest once it's in service.
