https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cb_IzuAN-Pkinteresting video I pulled from the algorithmI'm honestly surprised AUS didn't have the AMRAAM by that point in time when it was like a decade old already
>>64269214The years after this scenario played out, Indonesia is definitely turns their eyes on China 100%. And "probably" rebuilt and reformed their military with robust Chinese weapons and ammunitions. Ditching entirely on American support. Nationalists sentiment is actually runs deep on average Indonesians. It's hard to remove them without actual foreign intervention on Indonesia as a whole. Post-Reformation Indonesia, no matter how "liberal" the leader is, would seen the conflict as humiliation and a show of unprofessionalism of TNI. The reformation and rebuilt of TNI would be a priority even more than in real life. Lot's of new order figures will be sacked and replaced entirely by reformists. Which is not seen today as irl govt have to keep the status quo. As for average Indonesians, the conflict would be seen as similar with US intervention on Iraq, claiming it as a crusade against muslim domain. Since majority of Indonesians are muslim. Further worsened relation with Washington and Canberra.Garuda Shield won't exists, and China can possibly signed some kind of alliance with Indonesia somewhere in 2010's. Australia, rather having a buffer state as in real life now faces actual Chinese allies with PLA manned assets right on their doorstep.So basically, this conflict would not ended in the fall of Indonesian government at the mercy of US and her allies. But ended as a war of humiliation and subsequent rearmament of Indonesia, seeking for revenge or some sort. Think of Pakistan style of geopolitics with Argentinean style grudge. Honestly Australians should be grateful that both Jakarta and Canberra backs down in 1999.
>>64269228but but but muh muzzie slope killing!
>>64269214the geopolitic in this region has changed significantly in the last 10 years and .. no body can't stop this ... Please also don't acting like UK did 100 years ago .. Australia now is not same with UK 100 years ago ...I know that it is hard and difficult to accept this new reality ... However ... like or dislike .. you have to accept this fact.. It will be be better if you can cooperate with your jiran (Malaysia and Indonesia) to secure and develop this region for all ... not only Australia ... please also change your existing minds that your jiran are your "enemies" and will steal your wealth ..My suggestion ... as an island in this archipelago ... don't think that you can control and own all archipelago as you dit it for a long time ...
>>64269214I watched it yesterday and I really enjoyed it, but considering all the effort that the guy put into it I’d be surprised if we get another video anytime soon>I'm honestly surprised AUS didn't have the AMRAAM by that point in time when it was like a decade old alreadyI didn’t realise how out dated both militaries were at the time, shit I didn’t know that the RAAF even used Sparrows.
>>64269214 finally some Australians admitted it. It's very obvious though that Australia is the main threat to Indonesia and vice versa. Timor Leste is the evidence... Next Papua
>>64269228That's why I support Indonesia building a military base in Papua, if possible, by buying bombers, Rafale, to be placed in Papua, as well as S-400 missiles
In a single pic, the real reason for AUKUS... to contain INDONESIA, not CHINA... it also massively expands the USA's presence in the Indian Ocean beyond Diego Garcia... but AUSTRALIA will disappear from the chart forever... soon to be past their use-by date as a G20 economyWithout western alliances, Indonesia can take over Australia easily. Indonesia is growing 2 times faster than australia, thats why its military ranking keeps increasing, and australia stays the same forever. australia is one of the reasons Indonesia stays neutral between western countries and russia+china.without australia's presence, Indonesia will be ally of the west.
>>64269240>>64269279Indonesia is one of the countries that will become a superpower someday and rival the US.Indonesia is now set to have a capable Airforce once these jets land in Indonesia early next year not to mention Indonesia is buying 5th generation stealth fighter jets from Turkiye.Indonesia also has long range ballistic missile strike capabilities thanks to Turkiye.take note that indonesia see australia as frienemy. australia is a friend, but have high potential to become an enemy. if you read history about relationship between the two countries, the two countries already find them self as enemies many times in history. there's even a prophecy by king jayabaya from 7th century that said nusantara (indonesia) will go to war with it's southern nation (australia) to become the regional superpower that rule indian ocean and south east asia
>>64269228>>64269239>>64269240>>64269268>>64269272Anon you do know that this video is a fictional what if set in 1999 right? And if you watched it you’d know that it’s not a self wanking “Australia stronk” fanfic but an even handed and realistic analysis that involves both sides taking heavy losses.
>>64269214>I'm honestly surprised AUS didn't have the AMRAAM by that point in time when it was like a decade old alreadyIt's not surprising considering Americans refused to even give Australia's F-18s the means to identify Indo F-16s by radar. Australia's PM later admitted they hacked the USDoD to obtain the information they needed to do it themselves.The AMRAAMs would have been useless anyway
>>64269284Australia is never a threat to Indonesia, although Australia from time to time acting up as a pain in the ass to Indonesia. Strong Indonesia should be beneficial and a bless for Australia. You know what I mean why I wrote it this way. Indonesia never forget how Australia helped Indonesia during independence struggle, although Indonesia never forget how Australia betrayed us in East Timor.
>>64269268Australia has always been TERRIFIED of its powerful neighbour, Indonesia, because there is absolutely nothing it could do if Indonesia was to invade OZ
>>64269284Why is Indonesia strengthening its armed forces?...we were betrayed during the separation of East Timor. And the OPM separatist movement is suspected of being aided by foreign intelligence...you must know who is behind them all. Australia has long been a bad neighbor for Indonesia...all the people know the direction of the Australian government's politics. Some have forgotten that the defense system in Indonesia is a "total people's" defense...so if the country is in a state of war, then all the people will join the war...we proved that when we fought the allies in Surabaya
>>64269286It is a natural action for Indonesia to strengthen its military, especially fighter jets. If not, it will be too late if something like what happened in East Timor suddenly happened. The Australian Air Force with its F-18 entered Kupang and arbitrarily flew as if mocking Indonesian fighter jets. Don't let that happen again and only be able to say that our air force is weak. Don't let that happen again. If we don't strengthen it now, the words "our air force is weak" will happen again. And so on.With equal military strength, mutual respect and mutual respect will be formed from an equal relationship.
>>64269289>Australia is never a threat to Indonesia, although Australia from time to time acting up as a pain in the ass to Indonesia. Why don’t you own the entirety of Borneo then?>Strong Indonesia should be beneficial and a bless for Australia.But Indonesia is already “strong”, you guys just need to stop doing retarded authoritarian shit that cuts the knees from under you.>You know what I mean why I wrote it this way. Indonesia never forget how Australia helped Indonesia during independence struggle,Well they did free you from the Japs, and refused to help the Dutch reconquer you, and recognised your claim on West Papua >although Indonesia never forget how Australia betrayed us in East Timor.They gave you the green light to invade and only intervened when you couldn’t keep a lid on things
>>64269303What questions? You're only talking about one of many histories, bro. Many historical stories remain untold. Don't forget what Australia did during the East Timor crisis? What was Australia planning to do to Jakarta at that time? The bombing of Jakarta! The infiltration of fighter jets into Indonesian territory above Kupang without permission. A threat, a show of force, or what? Based on all these actions, can Australia be said to be a good neighbor?
>>64269306>can Australia be said to be a good neighbor?Can you? Since independence Indonesia has invaded four of its neighbours, conquering three which were either impoverished islands or the last remnants of tapped out colonial empires.
>>64269214>>64269228If Australia tries to attack Indonesia and its allies, the United States and Europe, try to support it by embargoing Indonesian military equipment...Then it's certain that Indonesia is no longer a non-aligned country.China, Russia, and Iran will openly provide maximum support to gain new friends and allies.Indonesia has abundant natural resources, the world's fourth-largest population, and a strategic location on the world's busiest trade routes...Added to this is the support from Muslim countries worldwide...Are Australia and its allies capable and willing to accept the consequences...The Indonesian people are very tenacious fighters on the battlefield and are not afraid to die for their country...
>>64269341kanker ballen jullie vechten als makkaken in een cocos boom
>>64269214>indogschizo intensifiesI told you people who was behind the f35 meme postingNow we've gone past the "look we have common enemies" stage to the subtle "if you don't befriend us we will befriend your enemies" threateningWith friends like these, who needs enemies
>>64269293Not really.There is just 280 million Indonesians so Australians (who are cowardly to begin with) are constantly in a state of near panic.
>>64269317Looking at how the US turns a blind eye to Israelis killing women and children, Indonesians fear they would be treated similarly to Palestinians if there were conflicts, for example, between Indonesia and Australia.Historically, Indonesia has been mistreated by the US and Australia before. Indonesian has more realistic view of relationship with Superpower.
>>64269228>>64269283>>64269289>>64269341Kek. Shut the fuck up, SEA monkey.
>>64269228holy fucking ESL
>>64269293australia is unironically in perpetual terror. pic related is the premier book about australian foreign policy by the leading (now deceased) expert - look at the title. this is how australia's existence since ww2 is summarized.why?as the other anon said, there are 280 million indonesians and ~28 million australians. everything australia relies on for its quality of life, including fucking petrol, has to be shipped halfway across the world through the territorial waters of every neighbouring country. australia is vast and unpopulated and rich in natural resources. and, historically, it is the furthest outpost of Empire - and, in 1942, the Empire abandoned australia to the japs. meanwhile, in the century since, america has never been a less reliable ally than it is right now.australia is an incredibly vulnerable and isolated nation and it is dominated by the politics of fear, even domestically, but domestic politics i won't go into here. in some ways it's a blessing - chinese are scary? ban em. wuflu scary? ban it. illegal boat people immigrants scary? ban em. foreign farm purchases scary? ban those too - but in other ways it's a curse: guns are scary? ban em. i think it's because of compulsory voting.there's also a lot of racism, or not racism but "institutional" racism, in that australia sees its important diplomatic partners as europe and (more understandably) america, countries thousands of miles away, instead of countries like japan and indonesia who are right next door and far more invested in the region.it would be like if the netherlands considered mexico a more important relationship than germany.t. not australian but spend time here.
>>64269317In fact, Indonesia is the one who has to worry even though it is non-aligned but is surrounded by American military bases. such as in Singapore, Papua New Guinea, Australia, etc. there is a possibility that other countries will attack it to take its resources, for example, Australia, which has a military backup from the US, could help Papua become completely independent, especially as Indonesia's military equipment is much more outdated than Australia's. especially because Indonesia is flanked by China and Australia, where the issue will definitely be related to the blurred South China Sea and Australia's potential to help Micronesia push for the liberation of Papua... so maintaining and increasing Indonesia military strength is important...
>>64269410>increasing Indonesia military strength is importantWrongIt means we can never be allies as they're opportunistic pigs, and snuffing them out is important
>indog clitty leaking itt
at present, neither australia or indonesia could invade the other. Indonesia has quantity but not quality, australia has quality but not quantity. It'd be a stalemate, the very northern bits of australia (the least populated bit of australia) and java (the most populated part of indonesia) would get fucked up a bit, but no land would trade hands.Indonesian and australia know this well, which is why despite occasional differences they both make an effort to get along. fighting each other would be outright retarded and everybody would lose.In 1999 the outcome would have been the same but australia would have been able to fuck shit up a little more along the way, and then everybody would have had a bad time in terms of regional trade
Now do you understand why Indonesia has decided to work closely with China, Russia and France ? With AUKUS on our southern border , Prabowo has embarged on a large scale military rearmament backed by nationalist factions of our political parties. After an attempt by AUKUS to destabilize Indonesia last week riot with a Ukraine style flower revolution , just to prevent him to attend the SCO meeting in Tianjin , he showed that he disliked US interference in our domestic policy ( like 1998 riot and 2000 East Timor Referendum ) . He attended the Military parade in Beijing ( as well in India, France ) and Russia. He did not participate the G7 meetings buy attend the BRICS meeting , wen to St Petersburg for SPEF. Indonesia is still surrounded by FPDA treaty countries , AUKUS, US military bases in Australia, PNG, Philippines and indirectly by US proxy Singapore. This conflict is still under control but we will never trust AUKUS and their allies ever. So you might understand why China got a better deal from us over even Japan, USA and Australia. Australian might remember that PLAN had cross our waters to do a live exercise at the international.waters of Tasmanian sea ? and Russian long range bombers stationed in Biak ? This is a taste what future military strategy Indonesia will take in the future to pre emptive actions by AUKUS. Russian and Chinese made missiles and aircrafts will be seen in the future such as J20, J35, Su 57., S400, Islander M etc. Yasen M submarine is also on our scope as well as France Barracuda. Just look at Timor Leste now , if not from Indonesia and China their economic life would not be survived. Indonesia sponsored to be a member of ASEAN. We are planning to do so with PNG . TL and PNG in ASEAN would benefit greatly of the China ASEAN GCC Free Trade Zone and automatically join RCEP. All this groupings HAS NO US involvement. You even can see TL send a delegation to Beijing for the military parade last week.
>>64269240>Please also don't actingsaar!
>>64269388Thats why you dont deserve beinf treat civily by the more civilized and cultured Indonesians. A prison colonynthinks hes more worthy than an ancient civilization. Also Indonesians have more combat experience.
>>64269272genocide and settler-colonialism is cool when turdies do it
>>64269228>crusade against Muslim dominion Is completely baffling how easily Muslims can fall for this and be completely fine with destroying their own country the nanosecond some random imam spouts this garbage, if Iraq surrendered completely in 2003 and didn't go full retard they would be Jordan or Egypt tier stable. But nope, America will force Muslims to stop being Muslim ANY DAY NOW so put on this explosive vest and blow up your local market!
>>64269384>killing women and children Enough about Hamas already.
>>64269951You haven't figured out how the third world thinks by now?
>>64269283Chat, is this the SEA nationalist whatifalthist sometimes talk about? He predicted there were going to be major wars within the region not if but when US hegemony weakens so much as to be incapable to keep bribing other nations into following international rules, with a Paki-Indian war on the horizon as inevitable.
>>64269341>China, Russia, and Iran will openly provide maximum support to gain new friends and allies.Eh, have you followed the news of late? Iran threw Hezbollah and Hamas under the bus, houthis are only around because saudi incompetence, as for Russia, they have already lost Syria, Azerbaijan and Armenia and Ukraine has virtually paralized its advance. Only China may provide limited support, but don't expect them to fight for you.Arguibly it won't be that hard, Australia's military has been stripped bare by woke neoliberalism during the End of History, and US has become so schizo at geopolitics it may or may not do anything aside from weapon sales, so I don't think you need to call external help to defeat the aussies.
Do not forget that every Indonesian soldier and policeman trained in Silat which is ancient and powerful Indonesian martial art. Imagine 100 000 of people like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8j5IA0L_MI&pp=ygUMbWFjaGV0ZSBnYW5n or this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNFOtrv8exA&pp=ygUkbmlnaHQgY29tZXMgZm9yIHVzIGZpbmFsIGZpZ2h0IHNjZW5l roaming streets of Auckland and attacking every canuck on sight.
>>64269405Huh, aussies have no cause for concern because they’re best buds with the yanks and euros and poms. Despite outward appearances, ain’t nobody is abandoning anyone. No one is going to start shit either for obvious reasons (Filipinos aren’t called the strongest race for no reason.)Also, they’re not racist but rather probably think their neighbours are weirdos. Have you been to Japan? They seem weird because they don’t use a fork and knife. Chopsticks? You call that a knoife mate? Now THIS, is a knife! (A knife is a weapon and a chopstick is like a bad weapon like a spear that is as long as a chopstick. You might have two but that would hardly matter if the aussie had a steak, medium rare, to use as a shield.)That reference wouldn’t work in Nippon land because they don’t speak Australian, and so on.
>>64269405Are you posting from 2010?
>>64269214Do you guys find it weird that IndoAnon never posts in the “Australia hates Singapore” or the “Malaysia is strong” threads, and vice versa with MalayAnon who never posts in “Australia vs Indonesia” or “Indonesia is strong” threads? What’s up with that?
Malaysia could defeat indognesia easily
>>64270797Fuck no. Malaysian here. Our military is a joke. It is purely geared for self defence. The only expeditionary capability we have is a brigade of Paratroopers. However, we did well in Somalia and saved some Yank Rangers ass. >>64269214Australia (and UK and NZ) did go to war against Indonesia under Sukarno in the 60s. It was to protect fellow new Commonwealth nation Malaysia when we gained Independece. The war was called Konfrontasi by the Indons who claimed all of Nusantara as theirs, as is their wont. The Aussies even had an airbase in Butterworth, Penang. The British and Aussies stationed bombers there and threatened to bomb Jakarta should the Indons escalate more than small scale cross border incursions. Sukarno was later deposed by Suharto who was currying favour with the US, so the Konfrontasi ended.
>>64271413>Australia did go to war against Indonesia. The war was called KonfrontasiI'd never heard of this until I went to the canberra war memorial, feels like it was really swept under the rug as a bit of military history we're not proud of.
It's fascinating that this guy is still so utterly mindbroken by East Timor all these years later.
>>64272052>feels like it was really swept under the rug as a bit of military history we're not proud of.I think at the time the Suez Crisis was still fresh in the Commonwealth’s mind, even though Indonesia was pretty deep in the Soviet camp the US was heavily courting the Indonesians and they really wanted the Indo’s on their side (case in point when the US told the Dutch to give up West Papua). If the Commonwealth went too hard and started dropping bombs on Jakarta then the US would do the same shit they did when the Brit’s/French were skull fucking Nasser.
I never understand Aussie obsession with Indonesia. Indonesian don't even care about them yet bogan keep sabotaging them. They should have allied and arm Indonesia as meatshield against Chink instead of making enemy with Indonesia
>>64269405Australians are a pathetic nation of cowards that would rather suck American/British cocks than actually developing it's own industry and MIC.Even Indonesians know that they can't be dependant on foreign help.
