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>This thing
Surge protectors,
Face it, drones are here to stay.
Even lasers are going to just be top target for artillery and after thats done drones roll in .

>>64270488
> fiberoptic drone
Russia already using them.

>>64270488
>>64270497
Hard kill is the only practical option and as a SPAA fan I'm all for it.
Microwave guns and lasers could prove effective but could also prove easy to counter with Faraday cages and ablative coatings combined with an erratic terminal phase to spread the laser evergy.
What will never be countered by anything that flies is a HE frag going off infront of it.

>>64270509
Russia used the first fiber optic drones, Ukraine had their own with 2 months, they have both been using them for years at this point.
OP is talking about 100km being a record.

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This was 40km behind the frontline using fiber optic.

>>64270569
There was one like this from about a year ago and it'll always be my favorite because as the drone enters the factory you see a zigger leg it out a side door.

>>64270488
>100km range fiberoptic
Who is going to clean that shit up?

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>>64270630
Your not going to believe this but there are groups of people that clean it up every day and they do it for free.

>>64270630
Under Sandet with less explosions and more strangulation

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>>64270630

>>64270533
>with an erratic terminal phase
Computer-controlled optics should be able to keep a laser on target in microseconds. A drone has mass, a laser follows aim at light speed. A bit of jittering will do jack-shit if the system has been designed to cope with it.

This isn't danmaku and the drone isn't wearing a frilly bow either.

>>64270630
>silica fiber
It's degradable. At least acid-rain degradable.

>>64270488
100km of fiber optic cable is expensive anon

>>64270533
>I'm going to be able to juke photons, but not a projectile with noticeable travel time

>>64270488
The cleanup from this war is going to be next fucking level.

>>64270876
An AA or radar system is more expensive. It's a good deal so long as the whole system is still cheaper than the thing it's blowing up, (including however many of them are needed to actually achieve the objective)
Personally, I would expect laser antennas to be the next thing we see proliferate.
>Fiberoptic but without the cable
>You can make it hard to intercept the encoded signal in the laser, but the laser itself will obviously be detectable and can be thwarted by clouds etc but you could have relay drones that use laser antennas to bump signals much further ahead without being affected by traditional EW

>>64270876
>100km of fiber optic cable is expensive anon
It's maybe $2k or in that ballpark.
Not budget but not outrageous either and way cheaper than a ATACMS shot.

>>64270960
>The cleanup from this war is going to be next fucking level
There's still clean-up being done on WW1 battlefields.

>>64270779
>This isn't danmaku and the drone isn't wearing a frilly bow either.
Ah, so you've already identified the countermeasures.

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>>64270630
Jannies, as always

The best counter to drones I can imagine is some sort of AA canon that fires .12 gauge buckshot shells or HE rounds. Some sort of micro flak.

>>64270995
Pretty much, in the future we will see drone swarms of hundreds of drones, who will work on basic AI instead of remote control so jammers wont work on them anymore.
And then you can only fry the circuits or blast them out of the air.
Flak AA is making a comeback, but this time it will have to be a literal wall of iron because of how small drones are.

>>64270993
i can hear this retards voice reading it lmao

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So…what the hell do you do?

If you jam areas to create dead zones they use cables, which might be a blessing and a curse since you can’t be jammed but also there’s a literal line between you and the drone that someone observant can see, but only on foot.
I guess a counter would be training animals to attack the wires, since they can’t be jammed, are innocuous, and if they are small enough they’d be hard to find.
Is a trained rat regiment the counter to fiber optic?

>>64270995
you know there were 20mm flak guns in use during ww2? 12 gauge is like 18.5mm if i remember correctly, .73 bore

>>64271133
neopup 20mm with flak rounds
that would be something...

>>64270488
>muh fiberoptic
Considerably more expensive and considerably less effective and efficient in practical use, with both drawbacks increasing disproportionally as range demands are increasing. There's a reason nobody is trying to switch to these en masse.

>>64270533
>Farady cages
Immense weight increase

>ablative coating
Immense price and ocmplexity increase

>erratic terminal phase
Another immense price and complexity increase

There are many solutions. But they're all more expensive to start up production of than drones which were already in production for commercial uses.
I don't think the economics are favorable for drones. It's just that it doesn't make sense to build a factories capable of making 1000 SPAAG per year unless you're up to some serious shit.

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I hate war. I love animals.

>>64271131
motion detectors. place a shit load of them everywhere and you can approximately know what direction the drone come from, then you can use air recon to spot the drone operators and artillery their position

i'm sure there's a fun illumination trick or something like that that can be used to highlight fiber cable suspensions to track operators.

>>64270488
People (cope-rs) think jammers are the solution to drones. Thing is, jammers jam your stuff too AND it is the equivalent of jumping up and down and screaming I'm here, kill me! Jammers are semi-useful for buildings since buildings can't run anyways but by then, the drones could just hit it by dead reckoning.

>>64271354
If you're a third world tier military entirely dependent on open comms and civilian infrastructure, sure. If you're jamming everything except your narrow band of encrypted channels it's not a problem.
>screaming I'm here kill me
If you're a third world tier military that can't establish air supremacy, yeah it could be problematic.

>>64270779
>>64270919
I mean rotate the drone so the energy isn't hitting the same spot, thanks to the 3d freedom of quads they can fly sideways and backwards just as fast as they fly forward so you can take laser to the front for 0.5 seconds, rotate and take it to the side for 0.5 seconds, rotate and take it to the back for 05. seconds ect.

>>64271249
Faraday cages can be woven copper at pretty heavy, they can also be a few grams of aluminium foil depending on the output power of the microwave gun.
Wood makes a great heatshield and has been used by Japan for LEO reentery so cost can be minimal but weight is a factor.
Erratic terminal phase can be done on existing hardware with a software update, the weight and cost is nothing.

>>64270979
also its much less destructive than an atacms shot, you fucking idiot

>>64272122
A drone with any kind of measureable destructive payload aint doing any kind of erratic terminal vectors.

>>64272142
Maintaining a steady velocity vector while rotating in yaw will spread the energy without any g loading requiring more thrust.

>>64270995
>Some sort of micro flak.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=W18JC1-Okj4

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>>64270630
birds

>>64271273
That's so cool.

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>>64270488
>100km range fiberoptic
100 km is often cited as the distance limit for a single-mode fiber without regen (the absolute limit is more like 160 km), so that's pretty damn impressive given the conditions it has to survive.

Anyways, aren't drones supposed to be piss cheap?
Cheap 4xSM fiber optic cables can cost around 0.5 €/m when ordered in bulk by the kilometer.
That's in the ballpark of 500 €/km. Or 50 000 € per 100 km.
One single-mode fiber would be slightly less than 1/4 of that. Let's be optimistic and say 10 000 € for the 100 km spool. In reality it's probably more.
At that point the fiber costs 2x more than the drone.

>>64270979
>It's maybe $2k or in that ballpark.
No, you're off by an order of magnitude.
And given the operating conditions of this fiber (freely spun out of a tight spool and freefalling into unknown terrain), the fiber might need expensive reinforcing characteristics that you don't get normal fibers that are safely contained in heavy cables and carefully installed. Nevermind the fact that normal fiber optic cables cannot even be bent much without damaging the fibers.

>>64272827
>Nevermind
“never mind” is two words, you ESL zigger

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>>64272843
nou

>>64272850
This confuses the zoomer

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>>64272827
>in the ballpark of 500 €/50km
FTFY
You're welcome.

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>>64272932
Bare fiber isn't that cheap, unless you buy from an obvious scam company.
Even on alibaba, the cheapest somewhat reputable manufacturer is much more expensive.

>>64272932
>>64272975
farmers, scappers and gypsies will be having a field day

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>>64272984
That's been the theme of the Ukraine War since day 1.

>>64270533
>Please please pleeeeaase make AAA relevant again PLEEEEASE

>>64272990
What happened to the Tor? It feels like we haven't seen them in over a year.

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>>64270488
Explain why a radar controlled 40mm flak cannon mounted on all your vehicles isn't the simplest and cheapest option to deal with the eternal drone.

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>>64273189
>40mm
>mounted on all your vehicles
Has it ever occurred to you 40mm cannons are too big to just add onto every existing vehicle?

But anyways, you're basically describing Skyranger. 30mm or 35mm Skyshield gun with programmable airburst shells plus a smaller AESA radar mounted on something that moves. Germans put it on a Boxer. Ukies are planning to use it on Leo 1 chassis. A SPAAG for the drone era.

>>64272158
>erratic

>>64270488
>NOOOO MY DREADNOUGHT MOMENT I WANT MY DREADNOUGHT MOMENT
not gonna happen lel.

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>>64273189
>40mm
30mm M230LF cannon. It can fire proximity fused ammo and is compact enough to be mounted on tanks or MRAPs. The range might not be that great but it would be enough for self-protection.

So how long until we get intercontinental fiber optic cruise missiles

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>>64272158
>or while rotating in yaw
Drones with payload are unlikely to be perfectly axisymmetrical. setting them to spin will have funny aerodynamic and rotational-inertia effects.
And it fucks with their own sensors of course.

>>64273104
You not seeing them anymore is the very proof ziggerland ran out of vehicles.

>>64273554
>electric scooters aren't vehicles.

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>>64273215
Austrians put it on a Pandur 1
which is like half a Boxer

>>64271273
Druid country

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>>64273576
For some reason these stickers don't inspire confidence.

>>64272843
What was ziggerish about that post? Does zigger just mean "person I don't like" now? It's the same way liberals call everyone Hitler or fascist.

>>64270779
Will ZUN give us the drone youkai? What about the drone devil?

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>>64273588
Lobotomized /pol/ refugees will incoherently scream zigger to try to make the term lose any meaning.

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>>64273424
So at this point the discussion is over which CnC generals unit we are going to implement IRL, the overlord or the paladin.

>>64270497
>Drone has surge protector
>Gets microwaved
>hahaha! surge protector!
>Plastic melts
>Cameras crack
>Warheads detonate
>Electric motors overload
>Drones are destroyed
>But at least it had a surge protector

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>>64273611
Don't forget them calling Ukrainians "piggers" is them projecting their insecurity that they were the ones known as pigs before this war.

Names that certifiably annoy ziggers-
>Zigger
>Pig and Pig-adjacent names
>Puccian
>Referring to their tsar as Monke

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>>64273215
40mm =! Bofors L/70

>>64274817
That's not a 40mm cannon.

>>64274821
Fine but I refer you to:
>40mm =! Bofors L/70

>>64274824
Fine but I refer you to the topic being discussed:
>40mm flak cannon mounted on all your vehicles

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>>64274821
Says who?

>>64274828
Do you think Bofors has a patent on 40mm cannon or something?

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The pollution problem after this was is over is gonna be unreal. Of course if Russia wins they'll just live in garbage and poison like they always have. White Indians.

>>64270960
At this point the war is over which country gets to control the hellish dead zone the war will leave behind as a buffer between the countries.

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>>64274817
>>64274824
>=!
>Uncaught SyntaxError
saaar your not equal sign is backwards saar you will crush the code you bloody benchod!

>>64274842
Do you think a Mark 19 is a cannon?

>>64271249
congrats on understanding the nature of an arms race.

>>64270488
faraday caged internals and a 100km fiberoptic drone is not meta. faraday cage can't counter certain ray levels.

>>64274990
NTA, but joke's on you, Java is a dogshit language with a dogshit lexxer because a!=b and a=!b are logically equivalent, should evaluate to the same thing and, indeed, do for me.

>Haha, antidronefags! You can't stop my [level of complexity that's only possible with the funding and expertise of the American MIC]

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>>64270488
Would this work?
So you've jammed the airspace enough to cook popcorn and the enemy sends the fiber optic FPVs at you.
COULD you use your laser weapon to periodically sweep the air around you to just cut the fibers? You could potentially do it from enough distance that any self homing device can't locate you.
Fibers are a small target sure but that also means you'd only have to melt them slightly so that it breaks. These things are thin and fragile. The fiber is built to transmit light but only from the inside. Surely you could deliver enough heat to break them very very quickly.
You could also just hit FPV itself with the laser but this may be a secondary/persistent use.

>>64275107
Oh wait, no, my bad lol, I need a coffee.

>>64275110
An interesting question, and I'm not sure because I don't know the material or optical properties of the outside of fibre optic cable. My gut feeling is that they can already withstand very high temperature, because glass is pretty thermally conductive, usually only expands and contracts by a tiny amount under worst case conditions. The failure mode for glass when heated is usually shearing from the difference in existing stresses between the surface and the core in a very rigid body, but it's not clear to me what the thermal load at any given point would be, nor what conditions it would be reasonable to assume, nor how much different the inbuilt stresses across a flexible strand like glass fibre would be, nor even what the likely failure modes would actually be.

Pretty interesting question, seems very hard to answer well without experiments.

>>64275110
and I guess another thing about lasers. You don't need to cook the whole drone. You just have to damage the CCD in the camera which happens with conparqtively weak LIDAR all the time.

What happens if the cable breaks? Is there an emergency wireless backup to recover the drone, or do you just lose all connection?

>>64275164
You have to find and target the drone to do that, which for a small drone at low altitude that isn't emitting at all (since its fibre) isn't necessarily particularly easy.
>>64275154
>>64275110
I read up a little more on fibre optic construction and I think it's a non-starter. Optical fibre is already commonly made from the kinds of glasses we use for applications where resistance to thermal shock is important. The difference in stresses between the cladding and the core might cause some imperfections to develop, but I don't think so because preferred splicing methods already generate much more local heat and thus risk of thermal shock damage than a laser at range could. Even cladding imperfections would mean worse signal transmission, not a failure, in nearly all circumstances I could imagine.
>t. optical systems enjoyer

>>64273611
help computer

>>64275268
I don't know much about computers other than the one we got at my house my mom put a couple of games on there and I play-

>>64275076
Yes.
Because it is.

>>64275225
>You have to find and target the drone to do that, which for a small drone at low altitude that isn't emitting at all (since its fibre) isn't necessarily particularly easy.
I don't think anyone is suggesting using the human eye to do it.

>>64270497
This shit would be like a fucking New Year's tree on the battlefield.

>>64271133
10ga is extremely close to 20mm.
A development there would be great for me, as I've got several 10ga shotguns and would welcome the increase in ammo options.

>all these
>”d-drones beat regular armies”
>cope threads every single day
>drones still haven’t outmoded anything
Thirdies still mad

>>64275107
>a!=b and a=!b are logically equivalent
One is a comparison and the other is an assignment.

>>64275112
>Oh wait, no, my bad lol, I need a coffee.
You mean you need some Java?

>>64274990
>>Uncaught SyntaxError
It valid code, they just assigned the logical negation of b to a then returned the new value of a as the result of the expression.
It should generate a warning but not an error.

>>64270795
After hundreds of years.

>>64271129
Obviously smarter than you

>>64272736
Would you say that if it was fishing line?

>>64272843
Shut the fuck up, tourist.

>Drones'll never compete with manned aircraft
>Drones'll never compete with artillery
>Drones'll never be lethal to tanks
You are here
>Drones'll never become long range assassination devices
>Drones'll never be unjammable
>Drones'll never replace the average soldier
>Drones'll never replace uber or taxis
>Drones'll never replace your hand for masturbating
>Drones'll never have sex with you
>Drones'll never carry your children
>Drones'll never fall in love with you (The drone didn't intend to get pregnant but you taught it the meaning of love)
>Drones'll never enjoy walks in the park with you and the grand dronechildren.

>>64270533
>Russia used the first fiber optic drones
IIRC both sides started using them around the same time, Russia just rolled them out faster

>>64273587
do you not dig the big mirrors? safety first, anon
wouldn't want to reverse over a pal

>>64280042
We are further down this list than you think

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>>64280042
>Drones'll never replace your hand for masturbating
>Drones'll never have sex with you
>Drones'll never carry your children
>Drones'll never fall in love with you (The drone didn't intend to get pregnant but you taught it the meaning of love)
>Drones'll never enjoy walks in the park with you and the grand dronechildren.
God, I fucking wish, bro!

>>64280042
Now I'm dronesexual. Fucking hell.

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>>64280042
>You are here
Russians during 2014-2023 has an all-encompassing pic related

>>64270488
ew is crucial
a fiber is a massive point of failure and added unreliability not to mention crippling the performance of the drone

>>64270488
>100km long fiberoptic cable
Imagine the carbon footprint of this BS, the microplastic spill, the environmental impact.
Ukraine MUST be stopped.

>>64270497
Surge protectors have a finite response time, which is fast enough for accidental surges but a purpose-built weapon can fry the electronics before it activates. If it was as simple as adding a spark gap to the circuit board then everyone would be doing it already.

>>64272827
>100 km is often cited as the distance limit for a single-mode
Yeah if it's properly installed on a straight run. Anyone who thinks they're shitting 100km of bare fibre out the back of a drone and doing anything useful with it is fucking retarded.

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>>64280915
lol, lmao, its not over till every last morsel of arable land is destroyed

>>64280818
This
Also Ukraine is literally drone heaven because the entire country is flat. Imagine trying to use fiber drones in southeast asia or most of the US.

>>64281020
its also weather dependent i think
i cant imagine the signal doesnt get nuked if the fiber touches water

>>64280042
actually i bought a fuck machine last year, i attempt to become pregnant with its children every day

>>64281035
Optic fibre doesn't give a shit about water, it's internal reflection. It cares about bends, bends = signal loss.
The reason cables have waterproofing and gel fillers is to keep ice from forming under the sheath and to keep water from pissing into a data centre.

>>64281062
it cares about water theyre using tiny wires with no/minimal shielding. the refractive index of water is much closer to the index of the fiber which means its will barely reflect and escape the wire

>>64281089
Look dipshit, one of us worked with fibreoptics for 15 years and it wasn't you. The coating does not care about water.

>>64281104
nah

>>64273670
C&C Generals really wasn't that far off with their predictions. Even if GLA (ISIS) crumbled faster than ingame

>>64270630
>not my problem

>>64274374
>Names that certifiably annoy ziggers-
Add 'Putler' to the list. It causes surprising amounts of seething for how mild it is.

>>64281020
I would think you'd have way more options for some cheeki sneeki with a fiber optic drone if you had more land features and cover to exploit. Catching a drone over open farmland sounds a lot easier than catching a drone cruising through a gully in one of the many hills or valleys and shit that you might find elsewhere. I could definitely see dense-ass foliage like you'd have in a jungle hampering their effectiveness severely, though. It's definitely not a silver bullet, combined arms is a thing for a reason.

>>64281012
They've already done it with 40 km spools. Clearly the durability of the bare fibers is not an issue. And attenuation-wise, 100 km should be doable without regen. They don't exactly need a lot of usable bandwidth out of it. I mean the same thing is usually done with much much lower frequency radio links.

>>64280042
>Drones'll never become long range assassination devices
have been since a long, long time ago

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>>64280020
>"300 million US citizens die of drug overdose each year"
Only 500 IQ presidents mistake the death toll of drugs for a global nuclear exchange.

>>64270488
>Ukranians are developing a 100km range fiberoptic drone btw.

slapping a longer cord isnt development anon

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>>64280042
Can't wait for the later parts

>>64271273
Beautiful. Got dang beautiful.

>>64272736
>>64273582
>>64284110
how the fuck is this cool or beautiful? fucking children. its fucking horrible and the cleanup will take decades

>>64285522
It's nice because nature finds a way.
Is the bird bothered by your fiber optics? No, it doesn't panic. It lives the best it can and welcomes the new nest building material.
You, on the other hand, should understand the world better. Yet you don't even have bird ideas. Only hysterics.

>>64285562
>Is the bird bothered by your fiber optics?
Yes, its chicks can strangle themselves on it. It is very obvious you never had to actually take care of anything. Its not hysterics, its just calling out "woah so cool nature finds a way" when its just awful pollution with who knows what lond term consequences. Just fucking nigger tier 5 minute ahead thinking.
>But the bird isnt bothered by it?

>>64285522
>fucking children. its fucking horrible and the cleanup will take decades
Nah, children are biodegradable.

>>64271273
>birds got fiber to home before i did

>>64274883
Consider the following: You know all those smashed corrugated roofing panels you see in almost every clip from Ukraine, the ones that are covering half the nation in grey dust?

They are made of cement held together with asbestos fiber.

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>>64274374
>Puccian
sacrilege. no self respecting proud pozzian warrior would ever go anywhere near some stinking pussy

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>>64281020
>Also Ukraine is literally drone heaven because
nobody has air superiority. a western air force would decimate the factories where the drones are coming out off. ukraine managed to do that in a few months with their bootleg long range drones with miniscule warheads and jury rigged cessnas. end result is that sahsneed spam fell sharply by about 1/3

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>>64281242
>gully in one of the many hills or valleys and shit that you might find elsewhere.
flowing terrain creates problems for transmission strength as they drones lose wireless contact between obstacles. fibers again, as stated here before, are a massive failure point, nerf the drone performance and in jagged terrain get stuck behind obstacles snagging the wire

>>64286566
I was almost certain they were going to turn around and have a dong at the end

>>64270497
>surge protectors
Not a viable defense against HPM. Neither is wrapping it in foil. HPM creeps along surfaces through cracks, induces eddy currents, couples to the motor spindles and other wild shit which normal electrical engineering doesn't have to think about.

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>>64270488
>Ukranians are developing
China sold them the new kit.

>>64286566
>>64286610
We're gonna need sauce to confirm it's not a dude.

>>64286706
It's probably AI generated. Add a dick if you want.

>>64286610
>>64286706
>>64286757
If it isn't AI it's 99% Belle's ass.

>>64286610
>years of being on 4chins results in anon thinking immediately about "feminine dicks" when it sees a feminine ass

>>64270488
I feel like there has to be some kind of cartoonish solution to drones that rely on a hundred kilometers of fragile cable spooled out behind them that you could cut with a pair of scissors.
Like buying a bunch of robot lawnmowers off alibaba and have them patrolling the fields.
Or putting something like electric fences with a wire that gets glowing hot and melts the fiber.
Or like a laser turret every mile that sweeps around.
Or like drones with sharpened rotor blades patrolling in a line.
If we live in a just universe then there has to be some Wile E Coyote solution to this.

>>64286810
yeah that does look like her, if so then there's definitely some degenerate here who knows the exact source video.

>>64286706
>that girly run
>that soft, girly ass
>them hips, them shoulders, them hands
its a woman. a real one, not a fake one

>>64286706
>>64286810
look at the speed and height indicators. somebody super imposed real life drone UI footage over some ethot prancing around in the very english looking fields

>>64286840
Yeah, there's a solution, it's called "not going to war with your next door neighbor backed by the largest military alliance in the universe".

>>64270497
>broadcasts your exact millimeter position to the entire visible universe from the moment you turn it on
any sort of high powered EW is peak meme

>>64286900
>english looking fields
Yep, that's Belle's ass.

>>64286566
mp4 not working

>>64289571
works for me. that is a (you) problem

>>64270497
Thanks for revealing your exact location to enemy ELINT. Enemy artillery volley will arrive in less than 2 mikes

>>64286666
is british milanion bodykit))))