What does /k/ think of the new French squad?
does that a famas
>>64271434non famas
>>64271426group leader needs more explosive explosif!!!
>>64271456Why did they go with a scar instead of an hk417 variant
>>64271426I actually didn’t realize the frogs modernized the old jap knee mortars. Kinda fuckin sick ngl
Ditch the Glocks and give everyone a LAE
>>64271480yeah for squad dmr it is strange
>>64271482>modernizedthey never stopped using them
>>64271426>knee mortar>grenadier team leaderThat's cool as fuck.Less cool:>Glocks for everyone>red dots>Minimis (essentially obsolete)>>64271482They're called commando mortars now. Rheinmetall and a few others make them, but I think Turkey is the world leader in the field. You know, because of the mountains and all that.
>>64271426stuck in 2001, all you need is:>javelins>stingers>hellfires>himars>patriots>thaads>trident 2s>lgm 30 minutemansdudes on the ground with rifles (and fucking pistols lol) is fucking amateur hour
>>64271697>Minimi>obsolete How? It spews rounds down range, can fit scopes and designator devices. It's still entirely capable compared to its more modern contemporaries, he'll superior in some ways. I'd much rather have a 200 round box instead of a 60 round mag like some forces do.
>>64271426What happened to their recoilless rifles? And why the SCAR over the 417?
>>64271426They use 3 man fireteams?
>>64271725nta but we have missiles that destroy whatever target you want from at least a mile away and as much as half the world away, shooting bullets at a target is just a sign you cant into air superiority or military industrial capacity
>>64271480>>64271587417 is hevy, scar isnt
>>64271746t. we need to disband the army and the navy, nuclear bombers will do the job
>>64271426Why does every Pierre get le Glock? Why not just carry more 5.56/grenades?
>>64271782the army perhaps is obsolete, but the navy is needed for sub marine based nuclear deterrent and as a cruise missile launch platform
>>64271725It's a good machine gun, just not perfect by any means. Cartridge memes aside, its reliability isn't stellar, it's finicky, it's heavy, and accessorizing it is rather difficult with the big feed tray cover. Assault machine guns like the KAC LAMG and the FN Evolys are all the rage right now. IIRC the Evolys is already being used by French special forces and France is considering buying more. I would like it better if the Evolys had a quick-change barrel though.>>64271746Air support in Afghanistan could show up after more than 15 minutes even under ideal conditions. But the sandbox was completely aberrant in just how many planes were in the sky at any one time, it's not really what you’d see in a near-peer conflict or one where France is going it alone.
>>64271426>AT4What kind of treason is that?>glock, HKFAMASOVER
How many mortar rounds will be carried?
>>64271794>you’d see in a near-peer conflict or one where France is going it alone.what enemy does france have? no one that can reach them really, keeping their nuclear deterrent and having interceptor missiles is really all the need. France left africa years ago, so its not even tribal conflict anymore. I guess the military does patrol paris in full kit though, but then the police are really better suited for policing
Archaic.
>>64271792shut up nikita you are dead for the 60+ years
France is not a real military, literally doesn't matter what they use, they will never deploy or defend their borders. They will just capitulate instantly like 1940
>>64271812that applies to every yuropoor country besides finland baltics and poland
>>64271806(You)
>>64271812Operation Serval?
>>64271743yeah and they ride around in this
>>64271839Mali is not a real country and the people who inhabit it are stupid and illiterate, it's basically like if the french waged a war on aboriginals. Not a real world, more like a glorified janitor duty
>>64271711>stingers Has the US ever fired one of these in anger?
>>64271794>like the KAC LAMG and the FN Evolysproblems with those they require 90 IQ+ users, you cannot issue them to grunts
>>64271865the usa? not themselves but stingers given to allies have down over 2100 "near peer enemy aircraft" according to grok
>>64271847>distant deployment>huge region to transverse
>>64271866The Minimi requires a bachelor's degree to operate, you don't need to do elaborate rituals to disassemble or load the gun on the Evolys and change the barrel in the KAC's case, and that's not to mention how religiously you have to maintain it to keep it running even moderately well. And even after all of that it still can't really feed from a magazine
is a 51mm mortar that much better than a 40mm grenade launcher? seems like it'd be better to have ammo commonality, and i'd think that using a knee mortar as an indirect fire weapon would be harder to aim and wouldnt be that much better to warrant using it. im also not french, so maybe thats why i dont understand.
>>64271426>grenadier-voltigeur>voltigeurI had no idea they still used this designation. It's one of the silliest things from the Napoleonic reforms.
>>64271946>The voltigeurs were French military skirmish units created in 1804 by Emperor Napoleon I. [1] They replaced the second company of fusiliers.Why is that silly?
>>64271964Read the next section.
>>64271943Indirect supportFrance does a lot of dispersed small unit deployments, platoon or even squad might be far away from company mortar team
>>64271967https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regiment_of_Voltigeurs_and_Foot_Riflemen
>>64271480We also have 417
>>64271482The French have had a love for squad- and platoon-level high-explosive chuckers since WW1.
>>64271743The command element probably isn't laying down suppressive fire for the othersWhile the marksman is probably supporting a fire team instead of flanking
>>64272055ESPECIALLY rifle grenades.
>>64271782>The New Old New Look Policy
>>64271426have they always had every member have a side arm? seems super expensive. I imagine 10 glocks + ammo+ logistics they could probably invest into another component in this very squad to make them more versatile. are they just trying to inflate their numbers for nato spending purposes?
>>64272342No. A number of Euro armies seem to be doing it now, I don't know why.
>>64272365big glock lobby
>>64272365
>>64271426>giving everybody a sidearmFor what purpose?
>>64272375yeah cheers mate thanks for noticing nobody has asked that til now
>>64272342>are they just trying to inflate their numbers for nato spending purposes?lol you what I know I could see the cost being used to make it look like they are increasing their % of gdp spent on defence for donnys tantrumthe only other thing I can think of is someone thought it would help in Ukrainian-style trench warfare?
>>64271426>grenadier>doesn't carry a grenade launcher
>>64272394>lance grenadier>doesn't have a lance
>>64272342>>64272365Idk if this is the reason but a friend of mine told me that when he has to do civilian patrols (let's be honest here babysitting the jews). they have to have an obstruction in the chamber that they would have to clear first. but their pistol doesn't so it's faster and easier to go for your side piece then to clear the chamber.
>>64272399>but a friend of mine told me that when he has to do civilian patrols (let's be honest here babysitting the jews).what and where?>they have to have an obstruction in the chamber that they would have to clear first.why do they have to have an obstruction in their rifles chamber?where the fuck is this, what fucking patrols?
>>64272365>a goddamn shotgunMan, whoever thought of this was on a lot of legal hash.>>64272399>obstructionDo you mean a chamber flag? I highly doubt actually deployed soldiers would put flags in their guns. It's either Euro "switching to your sidearm is faster than reloading" video game/operatorlore or the work of an actual Glock lobby.
>>64272416it was precient, it can be used for drones
>>64272411He's probably a frog and his friend is a Gendarme who suppresses Muslim riots.
>>64272416the shotgun makes sense for drones
>>64272423>>64272434I hope you don't actually believe that.
>>64272411>what and wherebelgian army, foot patrols in civilian areas the obstruction is due to the civilian government being retarded and not understanding that if you want to use the army as auxiliary police forces. the are going to be amongst the general public with loaded rifles.so they make them put in a chamber obstruction so the rifle is super duper safe so no one bad can take and use them.they should just be hiring more cops or making the jewish community hire their own private security.but it's a quick, cheap bit of posturing that doesn't require actual policy. I'm sure you can understand how that's appealing to politicians >>64272416>chamber flagmore or less, it's a bit of plastic in the shape of a live round with a tab on the back so you can pull it out.> I highly doubt actually deployed soldiers would put flags in their gunsI personally considered PT gear fetishism to be an overblown myth until I visited a US bases and saw a dozen guys running past with more reflective clothing than a pack of cyclists.it's gay retarded shit you put up with because it's policy and it's policy because some guy who never has to deal with reality said it's so.
>>64271967It still seems like an appropriate term for mechanized infantry
>>64271426I admire their dedication to pistols even though everyone knows those things never get used.
>>64272453>foot patrols in civilian areashow does the military just do that?> or making the jewish community hire their own private security.they do in other countries, it has often been involved in covering up orthodox child abuse
>>64272369Kek, imagine how much this costs with the Belgian corruption overhead
>>64272541>how does the military just do that?the government tells the army they want x men patrolling y area and standing gaurd at z location and then the army figures it out.now the local neo-con lights want to use the army against drug dealing/violencebecause having on of the biggest drug smuggling hubs can be fixed with a couple dozen foot patrols.it's just so they can say they are doing something without spending more money.>>64272584well they aren't helicopters so hopefully not too much
>>64272438>commercial quadcopters are proofed against birdshoto rly?
>>64272456Dragoon is better
>>64272081the new look policy worked great and if it wasnt for france losing in vietnam to the communists, would have mean the usa wouldnt have ever gotten involved in a ground war again and the us military budget could have been 1/10 of what it is now and we wouldnt be in so much debt from killing dudes in flipflops on the other side of the planet and 22 veterans wouldnt an hero every day
>>64272369>slaps an ACOG on a SCAR L>here's your DMR, bro
>>64272584name ONE military that isn't corrupt
>>64273333North-Korea
>>64273376
>>64271426should have drones and AT/AP mines
>>64273376>North-Korea
>>64271711a single Javelin missile with the control unit costs more than that entire squad of weapons.
>>64273376>North Korea
>>64273376Not even Norktard is this delusional.
>>64273032>It worked great, except it didn't.
>>64271823>and polandlel
>>64274085not more than the cost of train, pay, benefits, pensions that those soldiers require>>64274260it didnt because they decided not to use the new look policy and instead invaded with a ground force, spending 20 years fighting, losing tens of thousands and spending billions all to lose, proving new look was the correct strategy
>>64271426Pretty kino.
>>64273032>our military works fine so long as it doesn't have to do military things
>>64272077I think their knee mortar uses the same rounds as their rifle grenade.
>>64275835invading countries on the otherside of the world at tremendous cost to life and treasure when you had the general who won ww2 telling you that the better, cheaper option is to mass missiles and nukes is fucking stupid and its taken two 20 year wars the usa has lost (at the tune of $8.5 trillion in todays usd) for us to figure out eisenhower was right
eugene st*ner and his consequences have been a disaster for man/k/ind
>>64272392>TantrumPay what you signed up for, bitch.
>>64271916>Fly to Arizona>Take a long walkAm I a real military now?
>>64272369They're still using LAWs? WTF, waffle bros?
>>64271711Shut the fuck up, tourist scum.
>>64275941You can carry 2 LAWs compared to 1 AT4If you are using it as a super-grenade launcher instead of anti-armor, then having a second rocket matters moreLAW production was restarted after troops in afghanistan started using LAWs over AT4s for asymmetric warIts not like Belgium could ever actually a win a conventional war anyways
>>64272438>>64272416https://youtu.be/qWhYpeLlT-8?si=_XA8YXd3Wr0TGc1Ynah its a thing
>>64275945ive been here longer than youve been alive
>>64275976and somehow missed the entire ukrainian war
>>64275988The ukraine war shows that shooting down drones is best done with a large EW blanket and dedicated shorad with handheld guns of any kind basically just being a bandaid
>>64275988you mean the one where infantry weapons has caused less than 5% of causalities? The one where javelins pretty much single handed stopped a supposed "superpower" from winning in 3 days like everyone thought? The one where precision guided munitions have caused 85% of casualties? The one that proves exactly what I said? Nah must have missed it
>>64271426>german ar>belgian lmg and dmr>austrian pistol>swedish at rocketthe french military has fallen
>>64271480Why does he have his scope on backwards?
>>64275852t. famas kiddie stoner(pbuh) and kalashnikov(pbuh) are the holy duo, you are just living in their world
>>64271711>trident>minutemanthese are bloatyou dont need these in service because youre not going to use themyou just need to convince others you have them in service
>>64276169he's aiming for a challenge
What do you guys think of the NCR Squad?
>>64276316Unless they were raiding the sierra madre for guns, the automatic rifleman would probably have had a M240 chambered in 5.56
>>64272342European militaries are not really warfighting organizations, there's no expectation of defending their country from a near peer foe without nato assistance, basically they train to respond to terrorist attacks and civil disturbances where needing a pistol is more likely
>>64271480Hk was busy on their production lines and didn't bid, otherwise they probably would have gotten selected
>>64275941after you outfit your regular infantry with SCARs you gotta save money somewhere
>>64272618>>64275966I know you're just underage lower case niggers, but trying to shoot down drones with a shotgun is like straining pasta with a tennis racket.
>>64271480They're both reliable and accurate, but the SCAR 17 is lighter than the HK, and there is less weight near the muzzle end due to the shorter rail. It feels even lighter than it is because of that. I handled both and ended up buying the SCAR too.
>>64276858this nigga never shot skeet before lmao
>>64276859Actually I just realized it was a 20 variant, which I haven't shot, but people say is stupid accurate.
>>64271791>Why does every Pierre get le Glock? Possibly because of US experience with "allied soldiers" and other such niggachus going on shooting sprees.
US Army rifle squad still mogs, and most of the time you'll have a 240B attached too
>>64272365Even the US wanted to start doing that with the M17 issuing them out to near everyone before they seemed to scale back in on that
>>64271426Inferior
>>64272453With regards to the PT issue it boils down to avoiding blame. In the US, if you make a single mistake as an officer your career is basically over. If some Pvt falls asleep in his PT gear against a wall and then some retard rolls over him well clearly you should have made him wear a safety vest and since you didn't tell him nor enforce it well you caused the accident at hand. You killed poor private snuffy Cpt jackass. This is why you have mega retarded shit like SGM checking seatbelts a little off the FOB.
>>64275849They look similar but they're different grenades. The mortar round is some sort of captive-piston affair for minimum firing signature
>>64275852>eugene st*ner and his consequences have been a disaster for man/k/ind>peak design winsWho would've thought
>>64271426>Guns are all German, Belgian, or AustrianEmbarrassing. I thought France was supposed to be a proud country. Even with ditching the FAMAS, they can’t just make their own AR-15/18 clone?
>>64272077do they have any plans to launch rifle grenades from their HK416, or is it all over
>>64271426Not enough machine guns
>>64280412>True in WWI, true today
>>64280390They should be able to since it's a NATO STANAG thing.
>>64275941The USMC was buying new M72s as recently as 2023.
>>64275941>>64280455>My name is LAWgion, for we are many.
>>64280183>make an ar18 clone and 4chan hates you>don't make an ar18 and 4chan hates you
>>64277619PLOPPLOPPLOPPLOPPLOPPLOPPLOPGET PREGRENADED GET PREGRENADED GET PREGRENADED
>>64271426Asymmetric fireteams can be useful but can also constraint the SL in terms of maneuver and strategy since they each serve different purposes (ie bounding overwatch becomes much harder since your combat strength varies on which team is in front)
>>64271426Glad that they kept the light mortar. Extremely gay that and pathetic that they had to adopt a German clone of the AR though. The entire fucking nation of France didn't have a single fucking factory to keep producing the FAMAS or make a new version of that. Totally embarrassing. They should also have a smart grenadier in every squad.
>>64271426If it ain't FAMAS, then it's ASS
>>64271426Ditch the pistols and replace them with shotguns for anti-drone capability.
>>64271946Silliest? Napoleon was over 100 years ahead of his peers in figuring out that cavalry are at peak effectiveness with equally mobile infantry dismounts. The "technology" for his idea wasn't there yet and the experiment was shelved for something more conventional; no way of knowing the limits of the possible until you dare try. That's the essence of genius.
>>64276316What the fuck are those BAR proportions?
>>64283274There's a fun youtube video on Bethesda being utterly confused by guns
>>64272369>Five-seveNs everywhere>Nobody running a P90gay.
>>64280044this is it
>>64281314>maneuverdont forget this has an intregral vehicle, either a VAB or Griffon
>>64271426Who'd be the medic in this type of unit arrangement?
>>64284033>>64281345>The entire fucking nation of France didn't have a single fucking factory to keep producing the FAMAS or make a new version of that. Totally embarrassing.Ideally, if France wanted to go foreign without sacrificing what they learned with the FAMAS, thay should cut a deal with ST Kinetics to make local copies of the SAR 21.
>>64284051Meant "they should have cut a deal with ST Kinetics".
>>64277619That’s like the mexican army(or marines) outfitting every single rifleman with a 230. I don’t remember which branch but it’s a hilarious idea
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1758342158135270.webm
>>64284130That's just for mountain infantry.
>>64271426Based as fuck. The perfect loadout.
>>64271480Is that his camelbak straw or is his gun water cooled?
>>64271711your posting privileges are revoked.
>>64271426>driver doesn't get a glcmoooon sarge
>>64276169first time i went shooting with a fatty who got his ar, he had his magpul plastic sights on backwards
seeing all these optics issued to frontline troops these days compared to their nonexistence 30 years ago makes me wonder if gun manufacturers will somehow start making them permanent fixtures to their weapons in the near future
>>64284679The AUG, G36 and others tried but discrete optics have proven the better solution.The F2000 method of a separate but perfectly matched combination optic represents a potential best-of-both refinement, but that presents persistent business organization challenges. Historically, it's been more effective for firearms and optics specialists to optimize and develop their products independently due to factors like management overhead growing exponentially as enterprise scale increased. From PSO-1 to M157, hardly any gun-and-optic systems have been price+feature competitive with generalist offerings from the likes of Trijicon, Aimpoint, or Nightforce.
