AK Buyer's Guides

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https://thinlineweapons.com/wiki/index.php/AK_Mag_Buyers_Guide#Quality

>>64273125
>you will never have a crate of PKMs, AKs, Stinger Missiles, hand grenades and ammunition shipped to your home
fuck this gay earth

captcha: NGM88

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Snagged this mostly original MAK-90 from a based local gun shop. Been wanting a full size AKM for a minute now as I had sold my WASR-10 last year.

I'm curious if anyone has gotten an FRT set up working in a MAK-90 yet? The 1.5mm receiver might post different fitment challenges than more standard 1mm AKM receivers.

Also do ALG AKT triggers drop into these? I wish there was a curved trigger shoe bow ALG AKT that didn't look as ricey as the "lightening bow".

Also do standard AKM safety selectors work in these?

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Guys, I tried, I really wanted to like Kalashnikovs, I really really tried. I bought a WBP 5.56 AK so I wouldn't have to invest in new ammo. The reliability has been excellent. I bought one with a side rail so I could mount a prism optic. I installed an adjustable piston to make it as soft shooting as possible, not that the recoil was particularly rough in the first place. I've spent a year forcing myself to take it to the range to run a few magazines through it to see if it would click, but it just doesn't. Worst of all the platform's faults are magnified whenever I switch between it and any of my ARs. The ergonomics, the weight, the accuracy, the ease of reloading, the fact that I can grab the handguard after 4 magazines and not feel like I'm on the verge of burning myself through my glove, all of it is better with an AR.

I don't want to be a hater, but everything about the platform is basically just "good enough" as a rifle. I'm not going to get rid of it because it's something I wanted in my collection, but I'm not going to force myself to try and like it anymore.

Am I missing something? Is something wrong with me? Is the SUCK the point of the weapon and should I be embracing it?

>>64274601
my recommendation is to stfu

>>64274601
>Am I missing something?
Yes, an ak chambered in a proper ak caliber
>so I wouldn't have to invest in new ammo.
lolwut you always have to "invest in new ammo" to shoot. What's the difference between buying buying 7.62x39 to shoot out of your ak vs buying 5.56x45? (besides 7¢/round)
Why is it more of an investment unless you want to stack 10k rounds of every cartridge you have a gun for and limited space to do so?
but idk I just like shooting aks. I think they're cool. If you don't then you don't, just shoot whatever you enjoy shooting

>>64274601
sybau fuk nigga

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>>64274601
I literally felt the same way about ar15s. I had one, liked it, but something just didn't "click". Sold it. Just have my aks now. Here's one I just refinished the handguards on. Also upgraded the grip. Wish I would've got the triangle folder brace but this one works just fine.

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What's the deal with the OKP7 clone things on ebay right now? Are they legit clones ore Pieces of shit that barely survive airshit?

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>>64273318
They do not work well.
The OG trigger is better than ALG.

>>64274972
For starters I'd by a 5.45 AK before a 7.62 AK, my 7.62 comes in the form of .308. I just bought 2900 rounds of 5.56, on top of 5-6 thousand I already have stockpiled, so starting a new caliber is just something else to store in my shrinking available space. Anyways, the caliber is pretty irrelevant in my overall experience with the platform.

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>>64273171
>NGM-81

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>>64274601
Liking the platform in 2025 requires a certain degree of autism. This is why the OGs disliked the influx of new AK buyers who caught FOMO from youtube grifters. Now that AK ammo is 50cpr the wheat is getting separated from the chaff. A lot of the older guys were drawn to them too post 2004 AWB when original barrel parts kits were a dime a dozen but that really died off between Sandy Hook and the 16 panic

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I only have a humble PSA, but it is my Kalashnikov. I enjoy shooting it.

>>64274601
It’s okay, sell to me at a loss.

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>>64274601
ignore the AK tards, you're right. AKs are worse than ARs in every way, they have no use other than "muh sovl" and these hipsters refuse to except that.

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>>64274601
>I tried
>I bought a WBP
You didn't try shit you uneducated lazy dumb newfag

>Am I missing something
Yes, probably some IQ points and some testosterone. The same things that would have helped you do some research and not buy a WBP are the same things that would help you to feel accomplished and experience a sense of enjoyment out of developing deadly proficiency with an objectively inferior platform.

>>64275536
I think even the real deal would probably barely survive airshit.

>>64275548
OG trigger feels like dog compared to my ALGs
Not that I have any love for Geissele

>>64275583
You're being punished because you bought a commercial spec wall hanger talisman reddit toy with zero SOVL
You would probably enjoy the experience more with a real gun. Do a kit build, something with history. There is a nice Arabic marked Egyptian AKM kit on AKfiles right now. Build that out.

>>64275617
>All those milled guns with slabsides
fugg
>OGs
I remember asking my dad to buy me a WASR at a Texas gun show for $279. I think I was like 13 years old? Full of stoppin powah memes and muh reliability

>>64275700
Nice picture. Gross shit gun. The wood is disgusting, obviously US made and shit quality. Also the 5.56/5.45 mag with the 45 degree gas block
Just ew.

>>64275799
>they have no use
Trained up on one they'll kill a niqba dead just as quick and efficiently as an AR. Does the AR have an edge ergonomically, functionally, in terms of split times and hundredths of a second. Yes it does. Does that stuff really truly matter at the end of the day in a gunfight. Yeah it probably does add up. But if you're not training because you're bored with your AR, it is better to be trained up on a platform you enjoy for whatever autismo reasons one might have.

https://streamable.com/jecio8

>>64275815
Hey, what went wrong with your psa ak? What issues did you have that made you rma it?

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>>64275700
Nice.
How's the muzzle device treating you?
You like it?

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>>64275833
Literally the same well documented popping punching of primers that is ALL over reddit.
https://www.reddit.com/r/PalmettoStateArms/comments/1elywez/psa_ak102_punching_primers/
Bad malfunction too. Results in a dead gun (you die next). Bit of primer get blown into the firing pin channel inside the bolt, then prevent the firing pin from correctly moving during operation, which then results in light primer strikes and failure to ignite. You have to disassemble the bolt and remove the firing pin from the bolt to clear the bits of primer out. Reinstall, and you might get another 5-10 rounds before it happens again.

Now the question WHY all of a sudden does the gun start doing this... I don't know. Headspace walking? Who knows. My PSA made it... surprise surprise the magic number, ~1200 rounds before this issue cropped up. Exactly the kind of round count that most normie redditor toy buyers NEVER get to on their toys, and most actual gun buyers get to after a few range trips, a month or two of shooting a new gun.

Sent it back to PSA. Looking at a 50-60 day turn around time they said. They're replacing the bolt entirely.

PSA
Pretty Shit AK

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>>64275853
PSA = Piece of Shit AK
Right there with VSKA = Very Shitty Kalash Attempt

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Got the Novus MDS-3 NVG model
NIR Light transmission is decent, totally useable. Not as good as an Eotech EXPS or a Hoholsun AEMS, but workable IMO.
Overal build quality is solid. I had to take a dremel to the crossbolt on the QD mount to clearance it for the clamp piece so that the clamp piece was able to travel enough along the axis of the crossbolt to actually work as a QD mount.

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Modified an RS Regulate AKML T1/T2 mount to attach a 3 slot pic rail section. Can still be used as a T1/T2 mount but saved the time, hassle, and cost of buying an RS Regulate AKML pic rail upper mount section.

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Always fun with the dremel

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Overall I like the RS Regulate side mount.

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wallah
Ordered another MDS-3 for other com bloc projects

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VSS at home
Wish there was quality cycling subsonic 7.62x39 that was powder/gas/grainage tuned for 7.62x39 suppressed SBRs
Alas
I've tried Brown Bear subs 196gr as well as Hornady Sub-X 255gr 7.62x39 subs and neither would cycling my suppressed 7.62x39 AKM SBRs.

>>64276020
I like this furniture.

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>>64276052
All real east german including the wire stock.
The gun needs some tuning. The can is at my goonsmith, he is chopping an SKS and tuning it for the can. I need another 30cal K can, Inconel, low back pressure, lightweight. No such good options.

Anyone buy one of the nuPioneers yet?

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>>64276121
Pioneer is a tier below WBP which is already not actually a gun but a toy.

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I really wish AKbuilder would restock their 5.56 barrels already. It's been 9 months. They're going to lose my business

>>64276146
Go back to your containment board faggot

>>64276173
For a Tantal?
I used a Green Mountain barrel in my rebuild.

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>>64276173
Are you going to re-barrel that Tantal? Needs a wire folder IMO.

>>64275853
Damn, thanks for the explanation. I really wanted PSA to be somewhat decent, but c’est la vie.

>>64273125
I bought an rh-10 because I refuse to buy anything other than wasrs(the only rifle I've ever been able to run out to 2k rounds without issue, I am somehow cursed and even caused a scar 17 to have odd wear issues and start breaking parts after 500rnds of winchester m855). I have a wasr, a sar-1 and a draco, what other vampire country aks are there for me to consooom?

Anybody know of where any Yugo bulged front trunnions are for sale?

>>64276356
There is a cursed Romanian pump-action SAR but very rare.

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>>64276353
I wanted it too. I bought one. PSA is trash and always has been. I had an AR upper of theirs. Stuck cases all the time.
Their AKs are KNOWN and ESTABLISHED to have problems. Their customer service is terrible. Try to get on the phone with a human. Try. You won't be able to, because they HIDE. 50-60 day turn around time on this warranty.

We can also just objectively analyze the quality of the the products they're putting out, considering metallurgy, tolerances, dimensional specifications, and material finishes. All of it is lacking. We can look at the marketing etc of all the shit they peddle. It is for brownoids in Houston Texas. Clearly.

Fuck em.

>>64276356
Hmm, could try a WASR-3? Dong folder kit build is probably your best bet.

>>64276376
Some boomer tried to get me to buy his pump action AK at a gunshow in 2009 for $400 and I should have

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>>64276356
Don't worry it's actually a known thing that SCARs beat themselves apart. They're just a souped up screw build that FN half assed because they assumed the DoD would jump on adopting it without testing mid-GWOT like the M16 in Vietnam. Only the Scar17 really got any attention because there were no other modern Battle Rifles "ready" when it became clear the M14 was wholly inadequate to supplement M4s on the modern battlefield.
The Robinson XCR may actually be the better design but its lack of ANY mil/Leo use has Silo'd it

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>>64276197
>>64276327
It's actually a Bulgarian 74 with a sewer pipe barrel. I already have a Beryl and M90 so wanted the next 556K to not be a musket

I want to 'build' my own AK.
What's the meta nowadays with parts kits? Any alternatives to JewBroker? Are Russian kits acktually worth four digits?

>>64276496
forgot to add, 7.62

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>>64274601
i took it a step further:
i sold my ak because it had the shittiest ergonomics ever (german gdr skeleton buttstock contributed to this).
then i got the ak with a proper stock: the SKS. way better accuracy, trigger & feels more worthy because all milled and no stamped shiieeet. funfact: its cheaper than an ak
ar beats both in accuracy/ergos btw.
aug beats ar, but only if you are not taller than 6.1

>aug beats ar, but only if you are not taller than 6.1
whaddabout the opposite, is there a rifle pattern that's not manlet-friendly?

>>64273125
>Thread #2077
>Wasted the cyberpunk reference

>>64276551
the aug with a stock extension

>>64276551
G3

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>All this AUG talk
Now I need to get this
>https://atlanticfirearms.com/762x39-conversion-kit-steyr-aug-standard-heresy-design
and make this abomination a reality

>>64276477
Damn, never actually seen a sewer bore AK yet.

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>>64277130
Century barrel and previous owner ran 7n6 pretty much exclusively through it. Tried cleaning it out but rust kept coming back to I've kept it plugged with grease. Bought it for parts value included anyway for only $800

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>>64275815
Stop shitting up the thread nigger.

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>>64276792
>G3
ahem...

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>>64275536
>>64275815
Idk if this one is from the same source but probably. I didn't get it from eBay.
Not sure what to put it on. I only bought it to have one lmao.

>>64275815
What's wrong with wbp?

>>64276146
You post the same guns in every thread. We get it dude. Worse than CumSlurpDude I swear.

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>>64279129
Okay, how is the durability?
I'm genuinely curious.

>>64280008
I posted OC just above?

>>64279395
Commercial spec bullshit civilian market exclusive toys and wall hangers using machined bolts and nitride barrels.

>>64278087
Nice airsoft grenade launcher toy

>>64280074
>Commercial spec bullshit civilian market exclusive toys and wall hangers using machined bolts and nitride barrels.

Why's that bad? I don't have an ak yet but I'm looking at some. Aren't all gun parts machined? Splain to me like I'm retarded

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>>64280099
See:
>>64275920

True military spec bolts, as well as trunnions and many other parts in an ak are machined from true forgings, not just stock. WBP machines parts from stock. The parts are weaker than original military spec. Google WBP broken bolts.

>>64280108
Could I just switch out the bolt?

>>64279395
Literally nothing except nitride barrels
That, and retards parroting the billet trunnions and cast bolts meme

>>64280447
Oh, and the spring-loaded firing pins on the small caliber guns suck
I'm pretty sure that you can sand down the tip of a 74 firing pin and it'll work

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>>64280200
On their 5.56 guns, no, because they use a proprietary made up bullshit dimension spec for the bolt and front trunnion. On their 7.62x39 guns, you probably could swap the bolt out with minimal issues, IF the headspace were correct (BIG if, it probably wouldn't be), but even then the rest of the gun is still commercial market wall hanger toy spec.

>>64280447
>meme
Except it is true
Post your WBP

I just love AKs over ARs, and I have no idea why.

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>>64280488
Who is Maranda?

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>>64280488
WBP is military spec and probably better than your 90s imports.

>>64280513
same, when I bring out both to the range the AK is just more fun and I somehow shoot it more accurately. Just werks with me

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>>64280074
I will repeat myself. Stop shitting up the thread you useless fucking nigger. And stop spreading misinfo about WBP. You americans have a shit market and deserve shit rifles anyway. WBP here is amazing.

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>>64280488
And stop posting your garbage ass rifles nobody wants to look at this shit.

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>>64280935

>>64279129
Gonna have to run it and find out who made it.

>>64280488
this utter negro put mlok on an east german handguard, dont take anything he says seriously

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>>64280935
there's nothing different about your WBPs, theyre all the same (high quality that is)

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Waiting on some gunbroker boomer to ship a PSA enhanced safety selector. I will say IME so far the PSA "Soviet Arms" charging handle knob and enhanced safety selector are the best value in those parts that I've found. Haven't had any issues with them yet.

>>64280746
Who knows, probably some hispanic/NM now boomer's old lady circa the 90s or early 2000s back then the trope was to buy a gun "for" your lady to make it okay to spend the money. Lead poisoning everybody.
I hit it with some steel wool and then some Birchwood super blue. Looks okay.

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>>64280746
I still need to get a spiker bayonet and front sight post assembly and a cleaning rod. Also need to thread the muzzle M14x1LH
Wish there was a good lightweight K can in 30 caliber, hub compatible, 4-5" 8-12oz weight no mount, low back pressure Inconel and good flash reduction.

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>>64280771
>machined bolts and trunnions vs true forgings, nitride button barrels vs chrome lined cold hammer forged barrels, some tiny commercial overblown garage of a "factory" vs a legit state own com hundred million dollar arms factory
>military spec
You're wrong

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>>64281267
Literally fine. Small mod, keeps most of the original aesthetic while providing for a low profile lightweight seamless way to mount a light. You do have lights on your guns right? Your guns are actual tools for killing, not just for blasting at trash and making noise, right?

>>64281270
>high quality
>machined non-forged bolts and trunnions, ample evidence of bolts breaking, barrels button rifled nitride shit vs true mil spec CHF CL
Pick one and only one

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>>64280935
>misinfo
Okay Eurocuck, real big free thinking going on over there.
WBP is a commercial spec civilian only toy company operating a factory that has less square footage than the average burger kinoplex. They make wall hanger noise makers for dumb uneducated consoomers. The proof is in the metallurgy, manufacturing processes, materials selection, and customer base.

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Ree want my chopped SKS back

>>64281795
>said the nigger while posting a chinesium ticking bomb

I can guarantee you i owned and shot more chinkshit AKs than you will ever will. Beginning with those atrocious SDMs / NEDIs / Norinco / Polytechs. They all shit the fan 10K rounds in. All of them. Sheered lugs, cracked bolt face, you name it. Granted for 500 CHF i guess it's "ok" cost / ammo count wise but they remain potmetal shit rifle.

Never EVER heard about a WBP breaking outside of America. Never.

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>>64281819
Hmm I was under the impression the Norinco AKs were pretty solid?
Other than the full auto bits and small details like furniture, cleaning rod retainers etc, I thought the base parts and assembly were the same as Chinese military industrial complex exports and state use AKs?
>Never EVER heard about a WBP breaking outside of America. Never.
Yeah that's how sample sizes and statistical distributions work.

>>64281819
But deep down my inner voice (schyzo) told me you're not a bad dude you're just completely misguided.

So hear me out. You're wrong about WBP. That's about it. Don't bash the only remnant of quality rifles you have in Kirkistan.

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>>64273125
>Jane Street
>private capital
Amateurs. The pros know to apply for government funding instead. Especially in the busy season when the drones just rubber-stamp everything put in front of them.

>>64281834
>Hmm I was under the impression the Norinco AKs were pretty solid?

Not the ones i've dealt with.

Then again that's the thing with chinkshit, you can have one that will somewhat hold the abuse (sold a Polytech Type 56-1S to a range as a rental, bolt cracked at approx 15K).

All in all they're considered as bottom of the barrel here. Entry level, range rental tier, AKs. Youtube "SDM 103" if you want to have an understanding of the level of shit we're dealing with.

>>64281778
>if I repeat it enough, that makes it true

>>64281836
rolan

>>64281856
>735m pounds to fund dildos for the jews of Antarctica
OY VEY

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>>64281835
>not a bad dude
I appreciate the good will. I feel similar about the vast majority of people. (stats and studies show conclusively that true psychopaths only make up 2-6% of a given population depending on specifics)
>wrong about WBP
Let's talk about it. Which statements do you maintain are true or false. For any statements which are true, which secondary conclusions that are often drawn from such statements do you maintain are actually untrue?
1) WBP guns make use primarily of button rifled nitrided barrels (I know some make use of FB Radom CHF CL barrels, but obviously those barrels themselves are made by a totally different company, and rifles made with those barrels fall under a different category of consideration)
2) WBP guns make use of machined from stock bolts
3) WBP guns make use of machined from stock carriers
4) WBP guns make use of machined from stock front trunnions
5) WBP guns make use of machined from stock rear trunnions
6) WBP has NO military or police contracts of merit or appreciable size, donating a handful of guns to Ukranian second line troops as a publicity stunt does not cout
7) WBP is a SMALL company compared to the likes of Zastava, Arsenal Bulgaria (Factory 10), FB Radom (Factory 11), Cugir proper, Norinco, and any other true state level military arms producers

>>64281845
>somewhat hold the abuse
>bolt cracked at approx 15k
I personally wouldn't call that a real AK at all. I was under the impression the Norinco guns were good. I could be mistaken.

>>64281848
Lets talk about it, see above

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>>64281868
>>64281848
>>64281835
I'm doing some digging to verify my claims.

4) WBP makes use of machined from billet stock front trunnions. This is TRUE, as we can see in this timestamped link, the front trunnions are being machined not from true forgings, but from billet stock. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46qB99Ef7Bs&start=124

Picture related is a true forging of an AK front trunnion. From that video of the factory tour it is clear that WBP is making front trunnions from billet stock. This is neither true AK mil spec, NOR is this a superior way to make that part. True forgings are stronger.

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>>64281924
>>64281848
>>64281835
Okay so video evidence of their factory tour, we know that WBP is actually making front trunnions NOT from true forgings like real mil spec AKs, but are making front trunnions from machined billet stock.
We then have this picture related here where WBP is claiming that their rifles have a "forged barrel trunnion, forged bolt and carrier."

Clearly from the above evidence we know that it is UNTRUE that WBP front (barrel) trunnions are true forgings. So either WBP doesn't know what a true forging is, or they're lying about their front trunnions being true forgings.

If they don't know what a true forging is, then how do we know that their bolts and carriers are true forgings? If they do know what a true forging is, and they're lying about the front trunnions being true forgings, then what reason do we have to believe that their bolts are true forgings as well? In fact we have reason to believe that the bolts are actually NOT true forgings, not only because they're lying about the nature of the front trunnions, but because we have SEEN broken bolts.

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>>64281960
>>64281848
>>64281835
The irony is that even PSA has the wisdom to make front trunnions from actual forgings, and knows that at least some of their customers and the market are intelligent and informed enough to want pictures like pic related, showing that they're making their front trunnions from actual forgings as opposed to billet stock, or worse, cast.

>>64281787
>machined non-forged bolts and trunnions
aaahhh im DEBOONKING
>ample evidence of bolts breaking
there have been like what 2 cases
>barrels button rifled nitride shit vs true mil spec CHF CL
their Jacks have FB barrels at least but anyway having a nitride barrel isnt going to make it explode

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>>64282195
Machined from billet front trunnions confirmed, likely machined from billet bolts... That isn't a real AK, nor is that a real gun.
>2 cases
Not every case that happens gets thrown onto the internet. Plenty cope with warranty. Plenty just keep tight lipped to protect their ego rather than face the reality they made a mistake. Plenty can't be bothered to post anything. The point stands, it happens, we have an explanation for why it happens (machined from billet bolts), that isn't a gun that is a toy.
>FB Barrels at least
The cope. Barrels made by a real weapons manufacturer lolol. Of course they best WBP has to offer is using components from another fucking company.
>isn't going to make it explode
What a low bar. You do treat firearms as killing tools right? You do demand more of them beyond just that they look cool and won't blow up in your face?

>>64282529
>WhatGripWhatStock
I thought you were dead.

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>>64282570
I was really into cars for a bit. /arg/ sure is dead though. I blame tranny faggots.

>>64281836
Epic rollerino

>>64282529
>Machined from billet front trunnions confirmed
is that even confirmed? All there is that i know of is a guy holding metal and saying "This is where it starts"
>Not every case that happens gets thrown onto the internet
pffft ok
>What a low bar
yeah bro i need CHROME LINED BORE for my SPECIAL DUTY OPS MISSIONS

>>64281868
>WBP makes machined from stock carriers
Respectfully, that is simply untrue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5KKZLBU2j8 at ~3:50 shows the bolt carriers being forged. If nothing else, it in indisputable that WBP uses forged bolt carriers.
>2) WBP guns make use of machined from stock bolts
>4) WBP guns make use of machined from stock front trunnions
These are debatable. There is no footage or evidence for or against the forging of the bolts. As for the trunnions, someone originally linked the video I linked above and said that we see a piece of stock being shown off and then it cuts to a CNC machine running, that stock underwent no forging. However, there's no reason why that stock couldn't have been run through a forge, and they just didn't include that footage for whatever reason.
The claim of all the machined parts is suspect to me, because what would be more likely?
That they invested in the forging die for the bolt carrier, but trunnion and bolt dies were just a bridge too far for them? And that everyone from Rob Ski to Rifle Dynamics to M13 just never realized that their parts were substandard?
Or that they just cut out the trunnions and bolts being forged for time's sake?
>>64281924
I'll be honest, I don't see anything in that clip that proves that those trunnions are billet. Or rather, I don't see anything that precludes those trunnions from being mid-finish machined from a forging.
>Broken bolts means those bolts are cast
Remember when Zastava had a couple of broken bolts being posted around? Just because the QC department fucked up, doesn't mean that the manufacturing process is substandard.

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Picked up this unknown 74 parts kit build for cheap at a pawnshop. I have no info abput it. Someone used screws instead of rivets and did the worse bluing ive ever seen.

>>64276067
Where you get the furniture? I know most surplus sites have them, but their condition always looks rough and dry looking.

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>>64283789
>screwbuild
The shit we did when surplus was infinite and cheap. We deserve what we have now because of our hedonism

>>64283890
Yea bro.do you have any idea which country this kit may have come from? Just by the looks of the wear i think maybe 1980s. It has that bulgarian style furniture but that looks modern. I dont see any markings other than the serial

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The KUSA website is back up.

>>64284865
>ships within 10 weeks of your order
A fool and his money, etc

>>64283789
Check the serial on the front trunnion, bolt, carrier, etc against this list. Its unofficial but you know.
https://www.theakforum.net/threads/bulgarian-date-codes.188094/

>>64284865
Did someone buy them and save the brand?

>>64280941
yet you post this wack shit >>64280935
that you dont even own

>>64273125
Oh sick that's a PSL

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>>64282850
>Is that even confirmed
Watch the link I posted, here it is again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46qB99Ef7Bs&start=124
When James says the word trunnions and the tour guy says "yeah" you can see on that little workstation several front trunnions in the works. They are CLEARLY billet, and clearly are NOT true forgins partway through the machining process as you can see that they're significantly LARGER than a true forging would be. A TRUE forging is already smaller and closer to the final dimensions of the front trunnion. Those blocks are obviously billet.
>pffft ok
Not an argument, okay.
>yeah bro
Cope. Real guns have been required to have chrome lined bores by the purchasing agencies and departments, whether LEO or Military, for like 100 years now. Nitride has only become as popular as it has because of it being a cheaper, less environmentally hazardous process, and government restrictions on manufacturing like in the EU and domestically which make chrome plating difficult to do. Just look up the various strength and hardness engineering specs for steel nitride at high temperature vs chrome at high temperature, and it is obvious which is superior. Or look at the data, chrome bores last longer.

>>64283863
Gah I think I got it from a boomer on gunbroker

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>>64274601
>I really wanted to like Kalashnikovs
>I bought a WBP 5.56 AK
Holy fuck you're retarded. Maybe you should've bought a real AK in 7.62x39. You're like those faggots who think 1911s suck because you bought one in 9mm and don't see the point of it vs a Glock. No shit shooting a literal squirrel cartridge out of a heavy steel rifle is going to seem lame. ARs are boring enough as it is.

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>>64283695
>forged bolt carriers
Okay I absolutely agree that at ~3:50 in the video you linked we are seeing bolt carriers being forged, true forgings. I hate to go down this line of argumentation, but that forging shop, are we sure that is in WBP? In the factory tour video done by TFBTV more recently that forging area is missing entirely from the footage. Also looking at the footage in the video you linked, that forging area appears to be the same size if not larger than the entire WBP factory as shown in the more recent TFBTV video.
>These are debateable
I'm glad we're having the debate. I believe that the video link I posted earlier, and the screen shot image in this post:
>>64285802
Clearly shows front trunnions being machined from billet stock, not true forgings. This screen shot is from the most recent TFBTV WBP factory tour. In the screen shot we can see the parts have the ears of the front trunnion, but the rest is just a rectangular billet block. Contrast this with what at true forging looks likes in this post:
>>64281978
The fact that their front trunnions at ANY stage have external dimensions larger than that of a true forging (as we can see in the video and screen shot) is PROOF that their front trunnions are machined from billet stock.
>what would be more likely? That they invested
I like this line of reasoning and it has got me thinking. What is probably the MOST likely is that WBP originally was making use of more outsourced parts, which explains your video from EARLIER in time showing true forgings of carriers, but from what looks like a totally different factory than the one we're seeing in the more recent factory tour video, and that as the company has grown they're outsourcing less and less, as per their most recent video they now are 100% in house (I guess save for the FB Radom Circle 11 barrels?)
And so now they're just making EVERYTHING from machined billet.

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>>64283695
>never realized that their parts were substandard
The issue until Rob Ski and RD (who are jokes anyway IMO) are able to test MULTIPLE samples (n=10 minimum) to TENS of Thousands of rounds (30k-90k) we're not going to observe consistently the difference between a billet front trunnion vs a true forging. They test ONE rifle for MAYBE 5k rounds, then call it a day, and are arguably biased shills. REAL military procurement is NOT aarrgg for the pirates youtube posting. It involves REAL testing and real engineering.
>I don't see anything that proves those trunnions are billet
See this screenshot:
>>64285802
And this image:
>>64281978
The external dimensions of their front trunnions in the words are GREATER than a true forging. A true forging already has the underside chamfer bevel shape forged in. Those front trunnions as you can see are basically still a rectangle, implying that they're billet stock being machined down. Also if WBP WAS working with forging, I think we would have seen that in the recent factory tour. But we see NO such evidence. And which is cheaper and easier in this modern age to spin up, CNCs and billet stock, or induction heating forges, dies, and the like?
>broken bolts means those bolts are cast
First off, I'm NOT saying that they're using cast parts.
Secondly I'm NOT saying that the broken bolts ALONE are evidence that the bolts are made in a substandard manner. I'm saying the broken bolts, COMBINED with the lack of any evidence that they're machined from true forgings, COMBINED with the evidence that the front trunnions ARE machined from billet as opposed to true forgings, COMBINED with our understanding that it is more likely and cost effective in this modern age to just CNC billet than have real forges set up, ESPECIALLY for a small civilian commercial market shop making wall hangers and toys for redditors, ALL indicates as a sum of evidences that the bolts are made with substandard techniques.

>>64285816
>5.56 isn't a real AK
No

>>64281774
>trying to erase the import marks
why

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>>64285871
>>64281752
I didn't ind the C.J.A import makes, it was the "Marynda my love" I was getting rid of. The import marks are still there, just less visible because of the cold blue.

>>64285911
oh alright

>>64284865
Does that mean I will be able to get a KP9 that isn't priced gouged?

>>64285911
Are these rh10? ID on stock?

>>64285802
Genuine question, would you say that the non-chrome lined Yugo military rifles are "not real guns" as well, in that case?

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>>64285999
>Are these rh10
You've got to be trolling lol
They're not, they are original historical PM md. 80 AIMR rifles. The original Romanian short AKs. An RH10 is similar, but not the same. RH10 is a current or more contemporary production with a full length barrel, same gas system and combo front sight block, but the rear trunnion of the RH10 is a standard fixed stock AKM rear trunnion. The AIMR had a special rear trunnion unique to that model.
>ID on the stock
AIMR stock, unique rear trunnion. Very rare. JMAC made reproductions for a short minute.

>>64286002
Once again, this is ALL multivariate analysis. There is not ONE SINGLE parameter that determines if a gun is a "real gun" or a toy. It is the case that a non-chrome lined yugo is "less" functional as a "real military arm" than a comparative contemporary AK from FB Radom Circle 11, Arsenal Bulgaria Circle 10, etc using chrome lined barrels, but I'll say the following statement which hopefully is instructive at least of how I with my measly $0.02 think about this.
A non-chrome lined yugo from the 1980s-1990s is WAY more of a "real" military gun than a fucking WBP, EVEN one with a FB Radom chrome lined barrel, because once again, it is the barrel lining alone that determines the status, it is the sum of the parts.

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>>64286002
Here is where it gets sorta tricky. Are current Zastava production AKs, WITH their chrome lined barrels, intended for the export market (domestic US civilian shooters/collectors/4channers/redditors/bass pro shops denizens, more or less real than a 1980s-1990s NON chrome lined AK that was produced as intended for government/military customers?

I honestly don't know for sure. Personally I would say it is a bit of a toss up, and it depends on how much of the "historical" aspect counts in your multi variate analysis. I'm relatively confident that the machines, tooling, and QC of contemporary Zastava export guns is the same if not better than 1980s-1990s Zastava guns. You're getting the same mil spec metallurgy, manufacturing processes etc, and assembly on all the other parts, BUT with a chrome lined barrel. From that more functionally guided perspective it is more of a real gun than a non-chrome lined 1980s-1990s Zastava.
But from a more collector abstract historical perspective it is clear that the non-chrome lined rifle, even if it is a kit rebuild using the OG barrel from the 1980s-1990s, is more of the "real" gun.

Personally it is sorta a toss up, depending on your priorities, abstract historical collector, or functional armament. I lean towards functional armament.

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>>64285999

>>64285802
>Not an argument, okay
your argument was nonsense from the get go lol you were just assuming lots of people have broken bolts but just dont even talk about it haha
>Real guns have been required to have chrome lined bores by the purchasing agencies and departments, whether LEO or Military, for like 100 years now.
nonsense, many militaries and angencies don't care, cause they know their officers aren't going to blow up a rifle

>>64286039
>Here is where it gets sorta tricky.
no dip bro, youre trying to put one standard for AKs on multiples different countries.

>>64273125
Did PSA ever improve their shit? I saw they have Toolcraft BCGs now, does that solve the mushrooming issue at the back of the BCG?

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>>64285816
Look up the AK-100 series.

>>64285828
>are we sure that is in WBP?
IMO, whether or not it's WBP is irrelevant. WBP either has the forges themselves, or has ready access to a subcontractor who has them. Either way, they would have access to forged parts for their guns.
>I like this line of reasoning and it has got me thinking. What is probably the MOST likely is that WBP originally was making use of more outsourced parts, which explains your video from EARLIER in time showing true forgings of carriers, but from what looks like a totally different factory than the one we're seeing in the more recent factory tour video, and that as the company has grown they're outsourcing less and less, as per their most recent video they now are 100% in house
Even if they were using a subcontractor, it would seem weird to me for them to suddenly cut ties and start making billet components if they already had a supply of superior components.
>>64285849
>A true forging already has the underside chamfer bevel shape forged in. Those front trunnions as you can see are basically still a rectangle, implying that they're billet stock being machined down
I will certainly concede that those metal parts look dissimilar to the trunnion forgings posted in >>64281978 and >>64281924. That said, would it be conceivable that they're using a different forging die shape than the soviets did? There's enough variation in AK manufacture country to country that different front trunnion forgings wouldn't be completely out of left field to me.
>Inb4 cope
Fair enough.

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>>64286116
>you were just assuming lots of people have broken bolts but just don't even talk about it
No, I assumed, correctly and reasonably so, that the number of broken bolts we've seen posted on the internet sets a LOWER BOUND on the total number, and that the real number MUST be greater because the chance of ALL bolts broken being reported on the internet is zero, which means that the ones that are reported are a SUBSET of the total number. Also It JUST that one assumption that makes up my argument. There were several other parts of my argument.
>many militaries and agencies don't care
That isn't true. The vast majority of true military firearms for the majority of the 20th century, especially intermediate caliber rifles and carbines, had chrome lined barrels and were specified to have as such.
>blow up a rifle
You do realize chrome lining has nothing to do with a rifle "blowing up"

>>64286124
>one standard for AKs
Odd, because there basically is one standard, and the vast majority of REAL AKs follow it. Forged bolts, carriers, trunnions, and barrels, chrome lined barrels. Guns like the Yugos that deviated in just one respect were, and are, as I said, correspondingly less adhering to the standard.

>>64286248
No, avoid PSA shit it is trash I have a PSA AK102 back with them right now for a 50-60 day warranty turn around time.

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>>64286659
>>64286659
>irrelevant
>ready access to a subcontractor
Not irrelevant at all, this has to do with whether or not WBPs are made to true mil spec AK standard. This is the heart of our discussion? In the newest factory tour we aren't seeing ANY forges, we're seeing a workshop that is clearly different and smaller than the video you posted which is from the more distant past, and which does a totally different and larger factory with totally different capabilities producing totally different parts, and the newer factory tour video they, ironically enough, PROUDLY proclaim they're all in house now.
>it would seem weird to me for them to suddenly cut ties and start making billet components if they already had a supply of superior subcomponents
Doesn't seem weird at all, consider the following. There are several LARGE HOT conflicts going on, Small arms demand is up. We've seen tightening supply with Arsenal guns, Zastava guns, ammunition etc. It isn't unreasonable that said subcontractor making superior forged components got demand from a larger volume higher paying customer, IE a real ARMS producer, not a civilian commercial spec wallhanger toy company operating a maybe 100k sq ft shop with what, 80 employees? Compare this to Bulgaria Arsenal Circle 10 Factory, with over 9000 (unironically) employees and literally 100 MILLION sq ft of property. https://www.arsenal-bg.com/company-profile-12?utm_source=chatgpt.com
Consider that WBP can save costs, produce their guns for cheaper, and improve their bottom line as they sell to uneducated civilian toy consumers by machining billet in house? It makes sense completely for them to go the direction that I'm proposing that they did, the direction of machined from billet components.

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>>64286659
>would it be conceivable that they're using a different forging die shape
Okay lets consider that, from the screenshot the parts we're seeing that have the front trunnion ears and that James says are front trunnions, what shape are these other than the ears? They appear to me to be basically rectangles. So this alternate shape you're proposing is just a rectangular block, IE a billet? FYI billet stock is forged into a billet stock, that doesn't mean parts machined from billet stock are machined from true forgings. See this post from anon:
>>64275920
I'm glad we're having this conversation because I think the heart of the disagreement is potentially just a difference in understanding about what constitutes a true forged part, and a machined from billet part (billet stock itself is forged).
Those front trunnions we're seeing in the screenshot I've posted, to me what I see, and while I'm not a machinist I've spent my fair share of time drawing in CAD, hand machining, using CNCs, and farming custom machine parts out to shops to have them machined, what I see, is a front trunnion that is part way through being machined from a billet bar stock (where recall the billet stock itself is produced in a forge). The ears have been machined, but the rest, including the chamfer bevels on the underside for example have not been machined.

A VERY important distinction is the one made by Anon's picture in this post:
>>64275920
While the machined from billet stock part is in indeed starting with a forged piece of metal (the billet stock), that does not mean it is the same as a machined from a true forging part. It is not as strong, period. It is not the same process or end result in true mil spec AKs, the kind made by real arms producers, once again, Arsenal Bulgaria Factory Circle 10, FB Radom Poland Factory Circle 11, Cugir Romania, Zastava etc.

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The guy itt obsessing over WBP for weeks now is trans. Simple as.

oh yeah he copin'.
Trying to convince (himself?) people it's not better than his 90s imports. Weird.

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did they stop making it?

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>come back
>still seething about WBP

I will purchase one, put a cheap ass non flowthrough, can on it )without a KNS) and fire it until it breaks and make my statement

This is my final take on the matter.

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>>64286965
Unironically converted Saigas are pretty fucking top notch. Personally I would prefer a very nice kit build using a russian kit so as to get the more historically correct receiver markings, but the truth is that meme is less of a meme and more just true.

>>64287161
I've got kit builds, I've had new production Zastavas, I've got a PSA, I've had multiple WASRs etc etc
But personal experience aside ALL of my arguments are WBP are actually independent of personal anecdotes except for the small bit about us having observed WBP bolts breaking.

>>64287167
Hopefully not.

>>64287177
Damn bro very scientific.

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>>64287235
Long time lurker coming out to say keep making the WBP faggots seethe, it will never be “justasgud” as true hot dye hammer forged components. I remember saying this on the files months ago when that factory tour video released and you can clearly see the trunnions were billet and the retards there chimped out about it and coped.

WBP will NEVER be a duty grade kalashnikov.

>>64287421
cope grip stock. You lost

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>>64287687
Dial-8 billet tranny, you will never be a real kalashnikov

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>mfw watching WBPtrannies getting dabbed on
but muh fit and finish... you can FEEL the quality

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yea

>>64286702
>TRUE
>REAL
lmao shut up moron your american built parts guns are REAL either. If Russia made a line of police AKs with nitride barrels you'd be paying out the BUNGHOLE for *pieces* of it

>>64287865
*aren't real...
theyre AM*RICAN MADE

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>>64287421
>trunnions were billet
I wouldn't expect soft handed tranny faggots to know the first thing about machines, machining, metallurgy, or objective standards.

>>64287765
Literally akin to the notion of a tranny, passing. Ironic.

>>64287808
Cugir Arms Factory – Factory 21 (Romania)
Location: Cugir, Alba County, Romania
Factory Code: 21
Parent Company: ROMARM (State-Owned)

Brief History

1799 – Established as a metalworking facility under the Habsburg Empire.

Interwar/WWII – Expanded into arms production; made weapons for Romanian & Axis forces.

Communist Era – Became Factory 21, producing AKM rifles, RPKs, and PSL DMRs.

Post-1989 – Shifted to civilian exports (especially to the U.S.); modernized production.

Today – Supplies both military & civilian markets; NATO-aligned manufacturing.

Notable Products

Military:

PM md. 63 / 65 / 90 (AKM-type rifles)

PSL-54C (7.62×54R designated marksman rifle)

RPK variants

Civilian (Exports):

WASR-10, WASR-2

Draco, Mini Draco

PSL DMR (semi-auto)

>>64287865
>with nitride barrels
Except I wouldn't
>American built parts guns aren't real
Way more fucking real that WBP or PSA shit. If you use a real parts kit, you get real true forged trunnions front and rear, bolts, carriers etc. Real mil spec pistons. CHF CL barrels.

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>>64287808
yup

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>>64287865
>>64287894
If you truly thing a parts kit build assembled by a US gunsmith is LESS of a real ak than a WBP gun, solely because the WBP was assembled in fucking Poland of all places... Then you truly don't understand what makes an AK (or a woman for that matter) a real AK (or a real woman for that matter). Just disconnected from reality all around.

>>64288028
the new PSA Sabre AK is going to be more real than your parts kit mystery meat lmao

psa ak is so shit it made me buy an ar

I am tired of trying to make an AK my like go to shtf gun and I think I'm just gonna buy an AR, what should I get?
Thinking 11.5 BCM upper and complete BCM lower

>>64288405
That's a good way to go

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>>64288154
first off
>acknowledging tripfags in any way
second, mystery parts kit aks are both patrician and sovl, as long as they're from current or former soviet territory

isn't it weird that African kids have cooler AKs than we do?

Mishaco just made a WBP video and he says the front trunnion is forged

>>64288854
I wouldn't trust a blind guy

>>64288862
I'd trust him more than a /k/ namefag

>>64288854
That's cool man, doesn't make up for all the other pot metal parts.

>>64289003
nvclear cope inbound

>>64289084
Nah, coping would be owning one and thinking it's good. Thankfully I got into ak's a long time ago and don't have to buy this trash.

>>64289119
oh, so you're just gatekeeping
>muh brands value

I want to say I like banana mags
and AKs have the best banana mags.

>>64289120
lmao, idgaf how much my guns are worth, I'm not selling.

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>>64288154
>parts kit mystery meat
Are you retarded? When doing a parts kit build, you pick the parts kit. You pick what country it is coming from. You pick the quality. It is a known quantity.
>more real
The PSA Sabre is just a romanian parts kit build, so the basic entry level parts kit build that most of us that aren't zoomer tranny faggots have been doing for decades now. The only differences is it is put together by some smoothbrain shithead on PSA's laughable attempt at an assembly line, while most parts kits builds being done by those that are educated, knowledgeable, or open to education in this matter are put together by a single skilled gunsmith.

>>64288854
Yeah well he is wrong.

>>64289120
It isn't gatekeeping. You can buy a WASR right now off of gunbroker for the same if not less than a WBP. You can buy a Zastava right now off of gunbroker for the same if not less than a WBP. You can buy a fucking FB Radom Circle 11 Beryl right now if you're super into "poland" for "reasons". You can get a legit parts kit built out, russian, romanian, polish, hungarian, egyption, east german, and on and on, right now, for maybe a 25-50% total cost increase over a WBP. There are still old Chinese guns for sale on gunbroker, many of them.
You have no excuse other than being a lazy, uneducated, close minded, self righteous confirmation bias filled discord tranny that just puts their head in the sand in the face of objective reality.

>>64289341
There you go. Broofs. All their shit is machined from billet. Fucking WBP. Absolute trash. Love how they try to cope and hide, reminding the uneducated consumer that billet stock is forged... hoping the uneducated consumer doesn't understand the difference between a forged block of billet being machined into a part, vs a true forged part.. Hilarious
The cope also where they're just like, "all that matters is that it works and people shoot it! And we have good warranty!"

Fucking joke.

>>64289341
>>64289826
>random post from 2016
>thatll show em!

>>64288054
>US made receiver
Not a real AK

>>64280074
>nitride barrel
Mine is chrome lined and cold hammer forged, made by Radom. what the fuck are you talking about?
>bolt machined from steel
What else is it supposed to be? Literally what is the issue with this? Out of the 5,000ish rounds of mixed surplus and new production ammo Ive shot through my WBP, I havent had a single issue that wasnt traced back to the magazine or ammo. Stop being a fucking faggot and shitting up these threads

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>>64290668
i love my wbp

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>>64290272
Shows that their current production matches what they said they were producing in 2016, which is a bunch of machined from billet trash.

>>64290616
>steel stamping
US made stamped steel receivers from quality manufacturers like Childers are made with the same materials and treated with the same processes as mil spec euro receivers, additionally the receiver itself in an AK is not subject to the dynamic impact loading or heat cycles that parts like the bolt, trunnion, or barrel are.

>>64290668
>made by Radom
Yes, exactly, not WBP. This is WBP cope, that your WBP gun is using parts from a totally different company. Also read my posts, I give credit where credit is due regarding the use of true mil spec AK barrels CHF CL from FB Radom Circle 11 Factory by WBP. But that only applies to SOME of the 7.62x39 guns, and it doesn't change the fact that the rest of the components are sub par.
>What else is it supposed to be
Read the fucking thread dude and educate yourself. Machining bolts, trunnions, and carriers from billet stock is NOT the same as finishing machining done from a true forging.
>5000 rounds
Wow literally nothing, we're talking about an AKM which has a lifetime measured in the 30k-90k round count subject to full auto fire.
>shitting up these threads
The only thing shitting up /akg/ these days are shitty fucking AKs from WBP

>>64290675
Luckily #FactsDon'tCareAboutYourFeelings

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>>64290675
I really dont get the hate for them. Pretty rifles, anon. Maube ill picl up a bakelite grip for mine once I'm no longer a broke student

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>>64290776
>I really don't get the hate
Just read the fucking thread dude. There is information out there, knowledge you might call it, that those which have come to understand also come to understand by necessary extension that WBPs are not real firearms, but at wall hanger noise maker toys that look and feel like an AK, but are not actually AKs.
I do not hate the WBP AKs. I don't hate anything here really. I do have some personal dislike at this point for all the stupid people that can't be bothered to read and manage their own ego and own up to the fact that they made a mistake and spent $1000 without properly educating themselves first or research what they were about to buy.

>>64290776
nice rifle, i remember being a broke college student 2010-2014, it gets better

>>64290804
>Just read the fucking thread dude.
the entire thread is just you making shit up

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>>64290818
Word because I'm posting screenshots and links as source and proof of all the claims I'm making, and there are many others who are agreeing with the claims I'm making, making the same such claims themselves, and posting their own sources and proof of these claims.

>>64290804
>"just read the thread dude!!1"
all the negative things in these threads about WBP's are from your unprompted, unwanted schizo ramblings about how the rifles suck. Literally zero evidence for it beyond you just screeching "google it", hence the aforementioned "stop shitting up these threads"

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>>64290857
>zero evidence
>ample screenshots, images, links, video footage, and reasoning
Fuck off.

>>64290866
>ctrl + f "WBP"
>76 results
>literally all of the negative results (over 70 of them) are from you shitting up the thread about WBP's, while providing zero evidence to said shit (made up) ramblings beyond "hurrr google it11!"
staymad + tripfags not beating the allegations

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>>64290896
>Providing zero evidence
Once again, ample screenshots, images, links, sources, and reasoning backing up all claims.
Quite unhinged and psychotic the degree to which you're just denying reality. Oddly similar to a tranny faggot. Really makes one think.

I miss AKOU’s 5,000 round torture tests

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I've got a Meridian Defense 4.5mm side folder receiver with no kit. I was thinking of getting an AMD-65 kit and using a triangle folder instead of the wire folder they usually have, all else being a standard AMD-65.
What do you think? It'd be nice if they weren't so expensive now but what can ya do

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>>64280513
Welcome to the group

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>>64290973
Meh. I wouldn't call 5000 rounds a torture test. It is a good number though for general review purposes, but not a metric to meet for true longevity. It is a decent number to be like, is this a steaming pile of shit, or is it POTENTIALLY a legit gun.
It is definitely a good number for someone to get a feel for the manual of arms, nuances, and general reliability of a firearm.

>>64290997
I'm confused how do you know it is a 4.5mm side folder? 4.5mm vs 5.5mm is generally independent of the receiver, so long as the receiver has the side folding rear trunnion cuts (not that big of a deal to make the cuts actually). 4.5mm vs 5.5mm just depends on the side folding trunnion setup itself?
I'm also confused because the AMD-65 wire folder has its own rear trunnion, unique to it, sorta like the romanian AIMR? You can't just slap a side folding triangle folder in there?

>>64291092
Neat image saved. I've got two Galil SAR builds in the works. I wish I could find some images from either the first or 2nd lebanon war or really whenever showing a Galil SAR with some sort of optic on it. I've only found just this one picture.

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>>64280935
>Swiss kraut defending the honor of Polack civilian spec guns while he can own actual military rifles
Pottery
>>64281978
Forgings probably sourced from "Asia"
>>64284865
I bet it's the same scammer owner trying to get fresh funding for his gambling and porn actress simping
>>64290973
Well yeah the Polack sold out so he could buy $3000 Fudd Sniper rifles

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>>64291185
>Swiss kraut defending the honor of Polack civilian spec guns while he can own actual military rifles
Go easy on him, yuropoors (mindset, I'm sure he's rather wealthy given the Swiss GDP per capita), have been subject to substantially more brainrot for longer and as such are significantly less inclined towards critical thinking grounded in objective fact.
>forgings probably sourced from "Asia"
Potentially lol
I do think that newer higher end PSA AKs are using Toolcraft USA true forged trunnions, which is a step in the right direction, but PSA still a shit, so fuck em.
>sold out
Yeah he shills hard as fuck, part of the old guard for sure.

>>64291106
>how do I know it's a 4.5
Honestly I don't but I assumed Meridian only made one or the other, and since 4.5 is more common they'd just use that. But truthfully I don't care one way or the other, if it's 5.5 then so be it.
>AMD rear trunnion
You're right and I'd get a different trunnion for the triangle stock. An AMD receiver is cut differently as well, this receiver is not cut for an AMD folder.

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>>64291319
>if it's a 5.5
No what I'm saying is that whether you put a 4.5mm side folding rear trunnion in a receiver, or a 5.5mm side folding rear trunnion in a receiver, the receiver is the same.
So I'm not sure what you mean when you say "it's a 4.5" or "if it's a 5.5" because there literally wouldn't be and isn't a difference?
>AMD folder
If you have an AMD folder kit the tasteful thing to do is to just hold on to that receiver for a different project, and get a receiver meant for the AMD folding rear trunnion, and build out a true to blood AMD gun. They're very cool guns in their own right.

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>>64291106
>showing a Galil SAR with some sort of optic on it
Because their method of mounting it was convoluted. So most one's you find are either on a ultimak type gas tube rail or an aftermarket hinged topcover with a rail.
Malaysia might have something newer/a different approach for their SAR clones.

So, say I buy a wbp. How much would it cost to have a trunion, bolt, and whatever other parts fail built and fitted to be drop in replacements if/when those parts fail?

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>>64291397
>Malaysia
Not Malaysia, Myanmar rather
But looking into it further, seems they never really fielded optics on the MA-1.

>>64291388
I see what youee saying - it'd be a triangle folder of some size, the receiver is cut for what it's cut for and if they're the same, great!
AMD-65s are super cool, their stocks are just possibly the worst AK stock available

>Had a gun built with a WBP parts kit
damnit
Whatever, I'll have the core parts swapped out next time I have it rebarreled.

>>64291530
It's not going to fail anon, retards be retarding.

>>64291530
Trunnions can only be rebarreled ~3 times before you run out of real estate to drill the barrel pin. When you have to replace the trunnion, replace the bolt and carrier as well. I believe that a galil bolt, AKM spec carrier, and AKM spec front trunnion with a 5.56 bullet guide installed will work, although if I'm mistaken about that other anons will have to correct me.

is pioneer arms good?

>>64291793
I know, but I'm always paranoid about anything with my guns going wrong, and I am pretty much sold on a mini jack. A shame I can't put that same paranoia and contingency planning to use in the rest of my life.

>>64291975
I've never once seen a single thing go wrong with a mini jack and they've sold hundreds or thousands of them since 2019. They've sold thousands of 7.62x39 Jacks since 2019 too and there's only been 2 that had problems

>>64291836
it's not terrible for a beater AK at this price

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>>64291530
If you already have a WBP, just sell it.

>>64291586
Where is this? Ukraine?

>>64291638
>worst AK stock
I have no issues with wire folders. Good for NVG work actually.

>>64291793
It might, it might not. But you know what we know for sure, the parts are inferior to a real AK, so you know what else we know for sure, the chance that it might is higher than that of a real AK. You do spend money on actual guns right that have their chance of failure minimized because guns to you are tools for life or death situations.... right?.... They're not just wall hanger toys that make noise and make you feel beeg and strong when you finger fuck them... right?

>>64291820
If you're talking about a 5.56, I believe they have an entirely proprietary (read, they made it up because they can't into reverse engineering) bolt and front trunnion spec. There is no drop in replacement. I think similarly their carrier is proprietary as well.

>>64291836
>>64292327
Fuck no. They're not real guns. Simple as that.

>>64292319
People don't shoot.

>>64292399
I've put almost 3000 rounds through my jack with no issues I think you're a faggot

>>64292399
>your Polish AK is not a real AK!
>but muh US receiver kit build is a real AK
Stop spamming up the thread wuggy you've basically made this entire same post 15 times in this thread alone. It's obvious your definition of
>real AK
is just whatever you conveniently already own, it's entirely arbitrary and by your own logic some mutt American receiver AK wouldn't be a real AK either, you're dumb

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>>64292538
Once again, come back once you've run at least n=10 if not more samples from WBP through true military testing firing schedules including auto for 30k-90k rounds.
Orrr... stop pretending you're a military industrial complex (Capitalist or com block) tier testing and evaluation engineer, and realize that that work was already done, and there is already a real spec for a real military AK, and WBPs aren't made to that spec.

>>64292556
>whatever you conveniently already own
Not at all. I have a piece of shit PSA that is currently back with PSA because it broke. So I clearly own toy wallhanger noise makers, and it is not the case that I just define "real AK" in a manner that confirms the wisdom of my own purchases. Similarly I consneed that a converted Saiga or Arsenal gun would be more "real" and legit than my romanian kit builds. So once again, it clearly isn't just me confirming my own purchases.
>entirely arbitrary
It isn't at all, your reading comprehension sucks. It clearly has to do with objective parameters like metallurgy, finishes, materials, fabrication processes, and dimensional specs.
>mutt American receiver AK wouldn't be real
Depends on the parts.

>>64292563
>I have a piece of shit PSA
why are you even here nigger? just fuck off and come back when you actually own an import.

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>>64292567
I had a factory new Zastava for a bit. I've had multiple WASRs. I've got a VEPR 12. I just got a MAK-90.
Those are all legit imports that are more of a real AK than ANY PSA or ANY WBP or ANY IO INC (newfags won't even know who that is) or ANY fucking shit billet shit WBP.

>>64292575
mimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimimi

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>>64292576
I would love an Arsenal. I would love a Russian kit build. I would love a converted Saiga.
Those AKs all cost correspondingly more, we all have budget constraints, and IMO a good kit build gets you most of the reliability and durability of an Russain import. Not all of it, but most of it.

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I need to try to get an FRT into this MAK-90

WBP trannies coping and seething

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>>64273125
Just finished cleaning/lubricating my third AK, a Zastava USA-built M70AB2 parts kit gun. I love it so far, it's my new favorite AK and one of my favorite guns overall.

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>>64275032
>I literally felt the same way about ar15s. I had one, liked it, but something just didn't "click". Sold it. Just have my aks now
Same. Also congrats on owning the best AK on the market right now (your pic), king.

>>64289826
>you pick the parts kit. You pick what country it is coming from. You pick the quality. It is a known quantity
>most parts kits builds being done by those that are educated, knowledgeable, or open to education
haha riiiight
old John Smith down the street knows how to make an AKM just as good as Ivan!

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MACHINED TRUNNIONS ARE FB RADOM APPROVED
>MACHINED TRUNNIONS ARE FB RADOM APPROVED
MACHINED TRUNNIONS ARE FB RADOM APPROVED
namefag gonna have a melty
>says it's not AK spec
>turns out FB Radom sees no issue
>can't provide evidence of cracked or blown up trunnions
oh nonono

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>>64293303
Congratulations.
Since when has Zastava USA started doing kit builds?

>>64291975
It's gonna be okay.
>>64292399
Fuck off back to plebbit.
>>64293609
two or three months ago.

>>64293571
Big if true, but do we have a source other than a forum post by WBP?
Also, I have an EOTech on an Ak Mastermount side rail mount, and it's hitting so low the EOTech doesn't have the elevation adjustment to get on target. The same EOTech worked on the same rifle with a MI side mount
Wat do

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>>64293458
The assembly of a AKM is relatively straightforward. It does take some skill and technique, but it is far from rocket science. I'll take an educated intelligent American gunsmith that I know and can talk to any day of the week over a train of 2nd and 3rd rate high school education polacks that got fired from FB Radom smashing rivets any day.

>>64293571
What a shit post. Proof or source that FB Radom uses machined from billet trunnions? And even if they did, the point still stands, ALL the other military AK factories do NOT use machined from billet trunnions.

>>64293934
>it's sitting so low that the EOtech doesn't have the elevation adjustment
It isn't that it is sitting low, it is that either your mount itself is out of spec and is canted in elevation (angle, not offset), or your side optic rail is canted in elevation relative to the bore axis.
What gun are you working with here?
What mount set up? Pics?

>>64293934
WBP would be one of the best sources as they deal with FB Radom a lot, appearently

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>>64287808
>>64288037
warschads.. what's good.

>>64294286
the only real AKs are milled AKs. Get yo trash sheet metal outta here

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Hewbrew talk time. Which Galil is best Galil or should I just get an ACE?

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>>64295214
>Which Galil is best Galil

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>>64292399
>Where is this? Ukraine?
Yes

Didn't Saigas use billet components for a while?

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I've got a WBP jack and Draco, what should my next AK purchase be? I'm thinking M85 for some 556 shorty action.

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>you missed out on the timeline where you could get a czech version of the PKM in .308
its not fair bros, i want one so fucking bad

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>>64294374
Feels good to be above the trash rather than included in it.

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>>64297384
You will never have a real shovel AK.
You have no stamped spade head, you have no torch cut holes, you have no welded rails. This is a century arms WASR twisted by a half assed bubba job using stupid meme items into a mockery of nature's perfection.
All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” laugh at your AK's ghoulish appearance behind closed doors.

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>>64297417
How long have you been holding onto that one my friend?

>>64297384
>>64297429
This pile of shit gets worse every time I see it.

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Guys. Picked up a ban era SA93 at a local auction. Gun seems to be in great condition, besides the fact that the boomer who owned it put some POS poly stock from optics planet on it. Not looking to fully de-ban it, but definitely want a normal stock on it. Who's the go to for adding the lower tang these days, or is there someone out there who can do something like what ironwood designs did?
Pic not mine. Mine is currently in my basement and I'm too lazy to get it out right now.