What is /k/s verdict?
The third way: ACOG with piggyback RMR.
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>>64275859All magnifiers suck; most affordable LPVOs also suck.
You know the scopeswitch? The thing that attaches to the eye piece of your LPVO and toggles magnification via jerking off the Handguard? The GOAT optic setup would be a red dot and magnifier that is deployed/stowed by a similar mechanism, except it’s mechanized and toggled by a tapeswitch.
>>64275859>doesn't specify the missionhere you go
>>64275859Your options are>get screamed at by poorfags, updooted on reddit, and add significantly more weight to your rifle for no goddamned reason (seriously who the fuck has ever wanted their LPVO set to 2.7x or 5.3x?)>get screamed at by poorfags, get downdooted on reddit because you didn’t buy the newest holosun or aimpoint dot, and be regarded as a tactical timmy regardless of which one you choose or what you do>get screamed at by poorfags, updooted on 4channel, and get constantly berated that whatever ACOG you bought was the wrong ACOG and you should've gotten the other ACOGOr your final option>get updooted by poorfags, redditors, and 4chins, save a lot of weight, and make everyone proud, unless you use aftermarket irons and then you're satan. Also you can barely hit anything past 200 yards
Good LPVOs can be had at around 500 now so in most cases that, unless you're shooting under nods in which case 3x magnifier and a XPS3-0
>>64275960Piggyback on acog is still superior for NODs
>>64275875fpbp
army is replacing the lvpo with a magnifier :)
>>64275923Does Elcan have a patent on their lever mechanism? Imagine a scope with both an ACOG-like prism and another 1x PA-like prism with good eye relief and really bright illumination that you can switch between with the flick of a lever. That would just be the peak service rifle scope.
>>64275985Yeah if you like smacking your NVG to your scope or having it mounted too far forward>just use the battery powered oneYou mean the heavier and shittier one? No, thanks
>>64276036No, it'd suck ass because 1x prisms are dogshit. Really that simple.
>>64275960>Good LPVOs can be had at around 500 nowI wish that were true. An LPVO with clear 1x, decent magnification, and good eye relief will cost $1,600-$2,400. It's caused many people to instead go for an "MPVO" (regular variable scope) and a backup RMR.
>>64276045Are they really that bad compared to red dots? I feel like they'd more rugged. Enlighten me, I've only ever used iron sights.Either way, it shouldn't be that hard to put in a red dot instead in this hypothetical neo-Elcan.
>>64276047In fairness, a lot of people insist LPVO+RMR is a good idea which I've never understood. Why do you need 2 1x sights? Like I get the point of the red dot, you want to quickly go to 1x and shoot in the dark. What I'm wondering is what would compel you to put your LPVO to 1x after you have a red dot on it
>>64276062Consumerist cognitive dissonance.
>>64276056>Either way, it shouldn't be that hard to put in a red dot instead in this hypothetical neo-Elcan.It would be possible but suck, because red dots and prism optics work in different ways.>Are they really that bad compared to red dots?Red dots have major advantages in battery lifespan, parallax, weight, and simplicity. >I feel like they'd more rugged.No.Anyway, adding two lenses like the Elcan does massively increases weight, and it's all useless dead weight since red dots exist.>>64276062You wouldn't. Which makes the entire point of a LPVO, the 1x, useless. Leaving you with an optic with major optical shortcomings and concessions all for a 1x you won't use.
>>64275875chinweld 1x sucks
>>64276062piggyback red dots are only useful for nods, simple as
>>64276087But but goobers got those chin risers
>>64276090then you are making the acog uncomfortable to use
>>64276087it's going on a 5.56 rifle since that's all you can afford to shoot anyway, what, you need to brace for that punishing recoil?>>64276089completely wrong and retarded. They're infinitely better than the 1x on a LPVO or any other scope, and faster to use.They suck for NODs because if you can afford NODs you can afford a second rifle, second upper, or at worst a fucking QD and a second optic so you can have a proper night "fighting" set up, rather than having a heavy ass in the way useless optic as a riser that's completely impossible to use in the dark.
>>64276095chinweld 1x sucks for rapid fire, sorry
>>64276098works on my machine, full auto no problem
>>64276102and what if i want to use .308 in that situation
>>64276106That's when you should go for a different optic
>>64276112no
>>64276114okay
>>64276062>a lot of people insist LPVO+RMR is a good ideaI'm not one of those people.>Why do you need 2 1x sights?Ask them, not me. Maybe they bought a really cheap LPVO and are compensating due to the fact that their 1x sucks.
>>64275859fixed 6x and an offset dot
You don't have and use both? OK poorfag.
>>64276037People are using ACOGs with front mounted RMRs now. They are perfect for passive aiming.
>>64276346>ACOGs with front mounted RMRsLeupold had such a massive lead with their Hamr sight, and they let their advantage go.
I'm a civilian. I pull my rifle out of the truck and shoot at paper and steel. I put the cheapest 4-16x scope I can find on my AR15 and a chinese bipod and go to town
>>64276354Yes, I too saw the Hop video.
>You can't use an ACOG for NV!>You can't use the RMR on an ACOG for NV! Extend your fucking stock you god damn retard
>>64275875>The third way: ACOG with piggyback RMR.I thought the whole point of an ACOG was that you can bindon aim at any distance and then close one eye to take advantage of the zoom?
>>64276415And black ops 2
>>64276430Why did you start running away at the end?
>>64276449Great story game. It really builds on BO1.
>>64276437You can, although that's like saying the point of iron sights is that you can bindon aim at any distance and then close one eye to take advantage of the increased precision. A red dot is still faster at the same thing.
>>6427645125yd, 50yd, then I had to go to the other lane to shoot at 100yd and tried to rush to get it all in one webM.I failed, spectacularly, because I'm a bit shit.
>>64276437Great in theory, kinda shitty in application. The piggybacked RMR is an awkward work around, too. ACOGgerss are actually just ACOpers at this point because ~$1,200 is their budget ceiling and they can't afford to reach into the $2000+ range for a high end LPVO.LPVOs won as far back as mid-GWOT when Delta were running around with 416s and SB short dots.ATACRs and VCOGs are standard for a reason now while legacy systems (ACOGS, 3x/dots) get benched and relegated to REMF units.
>>64276456>>64276463unironically what is the point of acogs then
>>64276463>LPVOs won as far back as mid-GWOT when Delta were running around with 416s and SB short dotsThey literally just used infrared lasers, their optic did not matter whatsoever when they were landing on the roof of an HVT in the middle of the night and murdering them. Rangers and SOCOM have been using LPVOs on M4A1s for going on 15 years now, I'm not really disagreeing with you I just don't see why you bring up delta during GWOT was just blowing the doors off houses and killing everyone inside
>>64276465Better FOV, light transmission, length, weight, etc..The drawback is 9001 retarded reticles that will not line up with any of your gun/ammo combinations, and really fucking low magnification/shit eye relief. I, personally, like it quite a bit on my SBR.The full size AR gets a 4-16x
>>64276465They're the current optics meta for civilian fighting rifles. Lightweight and durable, with all the magnification you realistically need on a fighting rifle, but zero fiddling over zoom levels. You just raise your head a bit to switch to your 1x red dot.LPVOs trade weight for more of a long range focus.
>>64276465FOV, durability, no batteries, no knobs, capped turrets, the integrated rangefinding aids. They're very very simple to teach people how to shoot on, and deadnuts simple to use under duress. Bindon aiming is very good as long as you are 18-26 years old and you have good eyesight.They're the ideal solution for the infantryman or minuteman but not bourgeois civilians with deep pockets like >>64276463 this guy or special forces units with unlimited funds to blow on mediocre magnification options that are useful for shooting but not reconnaissance or sniping
>>64276474It's also got a built in range finder on torso targets if you can see their shoulders that automatically has you at the right holdover. And it doesn't need batteries, is always "on", has such good light transmission it can be used with night vision as a magnifier for observation, etc... They absolutely have a plethora of drawbacks and I don't think they're appropriate for plenty of situations, but they are quite good.
>>64276465Nostalgia for cloners and a quality optic for range people on a ~$1,200 budget. That's literally it.>>64276471>their optic did not matter whatsoeverSure, yeah, whatever you have to tell yourself.>I just don't see why you bring up delta during GWOTGo figure the unit with the most training and combat experience in the entire DoD was ahead of the curve by nearly two decades, it's absolutely relevant. >>64276474>civilian fighting rifles.lol, cute name for a LARP clones/paper plate range punchers.
>>64276458Some tricks for getting better webm sizes are reducing the frame rate to 30 and reducing the resolution to 720p.
>>64276491You sound like you're emotionally invested in your opinion.
>>64276503>You sound like you're financially invested in your opinion.Fixed.I currently own all of the above mentioned optics except the short dot and the VCOG. >g33/exps3, ta01nsn, atacrfcdmx, nx8fcdmx, razorebr9Not interested in the short dot as it's basically a relic by now, undecided on whether or not I will get the VCOG, but I am considering selling the razor and paying the difference to get one if I do.
>>64276518>>64276491Hey man, just as an aside. When you turn every point you're trying to make into screaming insults at people, nobody lurking is going to take your opinion seriously.
>>64276463Hi, I'm willing to make a wager that this picture costs more than all of your optics combined. Feel free to prove me wrong, but I bet you own a pile of chinkshit so making "muh price" arguments isn't going to cut it.The ACOG is the best optic ever made for 5.56 rifles. It has unbeaten glass quality, FOV, weight, durability, and a simple to use reticle that includes automatic rangefinding for rapid engagement.
>>64276548Not him but NF and LMT are ultra super mega homo gay
>>64276553definitely, that's why the LMT sits in the cuck chair while I fuck my KAC and DDs with ACOGs.
>>64276555Checked I shoot the LWRC instead of my LMT. Although the ACOG is on the LMT
Some of you folks do not understand the concept of a tradeoff. There is no free lunch.
>>64275859>hey you know this thing that really fucking sucks to look at? let's magnify it and make it even worseor>this aint your dads old huntin scope, kiddo! now you can zoom in and out!>oh but anything other than the highest magnification sucks, eye relief is terrible and they're somehow even more fragile
>>64276573This setup legitimately looks AI-generated
Depends
Just start competing in standard category. Take the iron sight pill. Open is always some gearfag competition, standard is where men need to excel without crutches.
>>64275875TRVE
>>64275859LPVO for me because I can add a thermal on it
>>64276062Because they got caught up in the lpvo fad when what they really wanted was a magnified prism optic or an mpvo
>>64276573this. dot+magnifier is good for close range, bad for long range. lpvo is good for long range but bad for close range. acog is in the middle because while its magnified it has a forgiving eyebox
>>64275875Based
>>64275875FPBP>>64275859At the moment I am using an EXPS-3 and a magnifier on my main rifle, but mainly because I like the eotech for night shooting. I used to do ACOG+RMR
>>64277175Not even this, all the designs are compromised in one way or another. Even between something like an NX8 and the ATACR. No one is considering why a lot of these setups exist, their end users, or their goals. Picrel. NO FREE LUNCH.
I've evolved beyond aiming.I just point and pull the trigger.If it was meant to be, the bullet will do what it was destined to do.
>>64275875this.
>>64275875Bullshit. ALL prism optics suck ass.That includes ACOGs.
>>64277590Works great with my astigmatism :^)
>>64277583Trijicon suppresses our medicine by making a 40 year old product cost a billion dollars
>>64275859It's all a matter of task and purpose>Dot+MagGreat if you're shooting a lot at short range and at night but want some ability to hit a target beyond spitting distance though obviously trash at anything beyond 300 or so yards>'Cog+DotGreat generalist pick, can comfortably dunk on mid range targets and can handle close range. However can't go super far (which really isn't that much of a big deal of were talking about 5.56), and can't dominate short range or NV like a dot can>MPVO+DotThe most flexible option, letting you hit anything from point blank to a thousand yards with ease. However it's heavy and generally sucks in terms of FOV when used as an ACOG stand-in>LPVOActual fucking meme, especially if you attach a red dot and completely torpedo the point of buying an LPVO. It'd be legitimately less stupid to buy a fixed power scope with a dot
>>64275859Lpvo but only cuz i like how they look like grandpa's scope
>>64277926>MPVO + dot is not a meme>LPVO islook like someone is trying to justify a purchase here
>>64275859Where are the HPVO's? I want to run through a battery in a week
>>64276415Hop video? It was all the rage in the early 2010s. By 2013, anyone with money was getting that optic in particular. Then they dropped the ball.
>>64278032Yes, my EXPS3-4. Scopes ought to either have 1 or 2 options for magnification (either yes or no), any kind of magnification gradient is a bunch of woke liberal nonsense
