Taking ideas for the next one qual/challenge

Should be something that people even at cucked ranges can still participate in

I have an idea for the “Mel Gibson” from lethal weapon which you have 30 seconds to draw the best smiley face you can at 20 yards or some variation of such. I think in the movie it was done on a B28 target

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What's the cut off date for submissions? I want to give the /hg/ qualification another try next week

>>64278298
You’re not allowed to qualify.

>shooting your guns
thats just going to wear them out faster anon

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>>64278298
I have submitted this

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>PPK still in transit.
I'm excited for it.
Also I wish I could shoot out in the woods, too bad my state has fuck all

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I forgot to mention that the Glock 20 spring is working flawlessly in my Glock 17 after initial hiccups during the break in period! I don't have chrono data but the ammo I used was 115gr FMJ under the Magtech brand [CBC of Brazil]

>>64278308
Are you fucking serious?

>>64278340
I knew you were going to post that target out of context but what you failed to consider is that isn't an NRA B8 at all so it doesn't count for anything. It's really disappointing that you and PX4 poster are the two pernicious anons that Burt was referring to all those months ago but thanks for letting me know not to waste ammo attempting the /hg/ qual

>>64278388
I was giving you shit but is that not a target you submitted? Were you planning on cheating with a non B8 target and a 100 y rifle target? Why weren’t you shooting on a B8

>>64278388
>thanks for letting me know not to waste ammo attempting the /hg/ qual
You weren't going to anyway, all you have is sovial developmental disorders and excuses.

I’m not sure how the target being bright and you bring shaded is an issue. Isn’t the profile of the irons highlighted? All you need to do is bisect the bull.

>>64278434
It's just excuses and shitposting, if you treat them as a poorly written spambot life gets much easier.

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>>64278393
>non B8 target and a 100 y rifle target?
That was all the range office had. I could have sworn they were selling B8's the last time I had been there [eight weeks ago]. It's not cheating if the center radius is about the same size of a B8. I'm just going to print out two/three of the targets on Catbox and do it over

>>64278399
>>64278444
No, that's bullshit. Y'know what? Fuck excuses, I'm going to retry the qualification anyway

>>64278434
>Isn’t the profile of the irons highlighted
Would be if there was contrast on the target which is why I shoot better with green / blue silhouettes
>bisect the bull
They're not target sights. I need the lamps / rings visible so I can combat hold on the bullseye

I have a P365 and I like it a lot but I want something a little easier to shoot (les snappy, more hand-meat on the gun). I want something either full sized or possibly compact, and in 9mm.
This will mostly be for the range or as a nightstand gun so I don't necessarily need to be able to conceal it, but I do have kinda small hands. Does anyone have any non-Sig suggestions? G17/G19 seems like a solid play (or any of the knock offs striker fired guns) but I'd be open to trying something hammer fired as well. I'm asking because striker fired semiautos are pretty much all I know at this point and I feel like just looking at this type of handgun is flawed.

>>64278500
Besides the Glocks,
>Walther PDP
>VP9
>APX
>M&P9

>>64278270
ok ok get this, im about to give a real hot take:
1. 9mm (optimal self defence round)
2. mag dump (highest skill)
3. 7 yards (correct engagement distance)

It's to replicate the elite training our special forces operators have, I call it the "Lucas Bodkin"

if theres even a next qualifier i'll see if i can scrounge up some spare 10mm ammo and try it out with my proper Glock 40 just because i dont ever see one posted anywhere

>>64278298
Just do it as soon as you can.
>>64278308
Shut up I want to see it.

>>64278560
You still have a two weeks and I might extend the deadline

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>>64278542
Bill Wilson already made a better drill

best cc for my trans filipino gf?

>>64278601
does the bullseye also count as 10 along with the 10 ring? I printed out the target and superimposed it on mine to see if i can properly score at least one of my attempts (the best one, obviously)

>>64278632
I thought the bullseye was the 10 and each ring was labeled outside of itself… feeling better about my almost scores with 45lc now….

>>64278632
The X ring is counted as 10 but is used as tie breakers

>>64278270
I really like the smiley face idea or something similar, a chance to see how artistic hg is. I'd selfishly want it at 15 yards because of my closest range but 20 might be a better challenge.

>>64278688
I was thinking anons choose the range and we’d just mark the range in the collage. I tried it once already, it’s hard and 30s is prohibitively short for slowfire >5 rounds

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>>64278601
there, i printed out the proper size, taped it on the target, placed it against a drawing tablet for a backlight, and marked the holes from the rear, numbered each hole, and scored it. You dont need to keep the others.

>>64278725
Thank you, but your PX4 can be entered into production while your LTT Elite is carry optics.

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They’re fucking baiting us.

The 4506 should be it but also be rechambered for 10mm as the real 1006 is a different frame and magazine.

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M9 or 92FS? I like the straight dust cover of the former, but like the three dot sights on the latter

>>64278737
They're going to try and cut corners on shit we care about to save production cost then charge more than a Legun 226 and pikachu face when nothing sells and blame the consumer.

A winged sight, square trigger guard, 45acp 6" with a frame decocker and no mag safety and an ASP tribute with guttersnipe sight would sell. But they're just going to poop out an aluminum frame 9mm with slide safety and shitty trigger for 3x what I can get a trade-in for.

>>64278747
Slide safety is better though, but better as a slide decocker

>>64278261
what distance is this at

>>64278742
Beretta inconsistently uses straight or angled dust covers for those models

>>64278775
It's really not, they're worse than beretta slide safeties. And at least the beretta can be G-ified with a drop in kit.

>>64278778
10 rounds slowfire at 25 yards and then 15 seconds x 2 for 5 x 2 (2 sets) at 15 then 10 seconds x 2 doe 5 x 2 at 15. The course of fire is in the OP.

Scored out of 300, it’s one of the pistol qualification tests that the FBI used to use. Allegedly agents could not pass this with 10mms, but I’ll give it to them that shooting full power 10mm fucking sucks and shooting about a thousand of hot 10mm in the span of 3 days before performing this test will give you recoil anticipation issues

I don’t want to appendix carry

Is there a reason why most self defense 9mm ammo is 124g? Cheapo Winchester hollow points (formerly WWB) seem like the play because they work well and you can regularly practice with them. But they seem to only come in 115g and 147g.

yeah, I carry a 380. what about it?

>>64278839
More weight = good
Too much weight =\= bad, have to worry about barrel length

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I stopped at a pawn shop today on my way to the grocery store. They had 6 handguns for sale. One Ruger .22 revolver (FOR FUCKING $750 what the fuck), one Glock 23, and 4 p320s.They also had a 5th p320 for sale in the rifle section but in one of those conversion kits that makes it look like a PCC

>>64278864
Barrel length is tiny

>>64278845
I do too, brother.

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>>64278930
Forgot pic

>>64278938

I personally carry the bodyguard 2.0 as my 380 but I have to admit that is fucking beautiful

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Are the newer ported guns memes or should I get one? Considering the M&P Carry Comp and P10C Ported

>>64278975
any gun is a ported gun if you have a drill

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>>64278261
Some pistols are too thin to have standard accessory rails. My question is, why don't they use the existing 3/8" dovetail that's standard on lots of .22 rifles? It might not be bombproof but it's better than nothing, and the pic rail adapters are already available. These dovetails are so small they could even be added to the barrel lug of revolvers.

>>64278955
Thanks, she’s a pretty but sturdy gal.

>>64278737
Only the biggest one should come back. The smaller ones would be flops because they were unreasonably heavy even for the time and that + middling capacity would mean most people don't want one as a carry gun.

>>64278938
I can't wait for mine to arrive and to hopefully pick it uo tomorrow

>>64279041
Nice. I haven’t bought a gun in a year, but I still remember that feeling of wanting it asap. You’re probably going to want to swap out the grips and get a finger extension for the spare mag(s).

The ppk/s fits my hand like a glove. I love it.

>>64278725
Naysayer here: good work and I am a faggot. I count even better at 278 since we count on-the-line as within-the-line (#5 and #14), good job.

>>64278261

buying a cz 75 within a week or two.

Should I get the 50th anniversary edition or just a normal one? Funny enough the 50th edition is actually cheaper at my local shop than the standard version both new

>>64279118
>buying a cz 75 within a week or two.
y

>>64279133

I was the only one at the range and after talking to the range safety officer he offered to let me try out his cz 75 compact. It was by far the most comfortable shooting handgun I have ever fired. I shot 50 rounds and blew out the center of the target with all of them, it was the best I had shot in my life. Decided I was going to buy one. Didn't even think about the dates but when I started looking at buying them I saw it was the 50th anniversary and they have a special edition for sale this year that's either the same cost or even cheaper

What’s a good holster to for a Beretta 92fs? I’d only be using it for the range.

>>64279154
I blew out yo back nigga

>>64279195

As someone who has met african americans i find your language extremely problematic and borderline racist. If you are white the crosses the borderline into actually racist. I hope you realize how dangerous and harmful your language is and think on it and how it can hurt people both psychologically and physically and decide to change as a person

>>64278261
what is it with floridaguntrader retards absolutely refusing to respond but they'll edit their listing to basically answer your question in 0.02 seconds

>>64279081
I'll look into the finger extension for sure

>>64279190
Look for a M12 holster, they're great
Or just shop around with safariland or craft holsters

>>64279190
bianchi M12, great multipurpose holster for not that much money

It’s what Paul used and also was issued in the USMC/Army

>>64279287
Mine doesn't like anything that isn't a beretta or 1911

are there prism sights for pistols? my stiggatisz is bad bad

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Daily reminder
>shooting skill depreciates over time
>doesnt matter how much money you spend on your gun, if you aren't regularly shooting, you're a retard
>all you need is paper plates and a stapler gun. Plenty of cheap options out there

Have fun guys

>>64279522
>paper plates and a stapler gun.
I need to know where my stapler gun is
I still prefer printing my own targets but paper plates aint a bad idea

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>>64279521
Nope. But you can get a See-All in an RMR footprint.
(It's shit)

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Well I just dropped more money by getting myself 500 arounds of FMJ .380 and 60 rounds of JHP of the same caliber
And I haven't even gotten a holster nor the gun yet!
And my "usual" FFL jacked up their prices!
YAY INFLATION!

>>64279572
Are the guy who bought the ppk? Also, what brand and type of JHPs?

>>64279580
>Are you the guy who bought the PPK?
That's correct
>What brand
For $199 + no shipping fees and no taxes (thank you Desantis), you can get 560 rounds of Browning Brand ammo
I don't mind them honestly

>>64278261
>>64278725
Would you want to be called something other than Ironic Furry Anon? I could call you G__poster, or gucci glock guy, or kimber kds9c anon

Last collage update 9/18

Last score board 9/18

I think I'm going to mark people who reshoot to compromise
*Reshoot

>Carry-Optics
LaserBeamAnon, Glock 19 MOS: 298/300
GrayDeskAnon, Staccato HD P4.5: 298/300* from 296
Burt, Walther Q5-match steel: 295/300
PleaseBePatient, P30L LEM: 292/300
Anon, Ruger RXM: 290/300
PX4anon, PX4Compact: 284/300
IronicFurryAnon, LTT Elite: 278/300
HellcatAnon, Hellcat SCATpack, 250/300
ReflexAnon, FN Reflex, 230/300

>Production/Limited
USPanon, USP .45: 284/300* from 275
PleaseBePatient, S&W 5903tsw: 283/300
Burt, SIG sour P229 BLUE; 280/300
PX4anon, PX4 .45: 247/300

>Single stack/1911
PleaseBePatient, 80% 1911: 293/300
PX4anon: 291/300 *optic
Burt, Springfield M1911-A1: 271/300

>Wild West Class
BigBoreAnon, RugerBlackhawk, .38 spl, 204/300

>Staple Gun Class
Burt, Colt 2000, 282/300
PleaseBePatient, Colt 2000, 260/300
USPanon, Zastava m70 .32, 212*/300

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>>64279758

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Doesn’t look anything like the pictures, looks way better actually

Might swap the grip module for something else though. Maybe the green version of it or a steel grip module. The fact Kimber has put over insertion protection into the frame makes it a good candidate for the Infinity Compact Carry grip module which uses 113mm mags.

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>>64279778
Safety sucks. Immediately noticeable.

The rear sight was machined wrong, isn’t mounted level or the notch was cut at an angle.

Didn’t even dry fire it, I was so enamored with how patriotic it is. I just need to track down one of those Surefire X300 UltraMarines Liberty or Death 1776 commemorative Desert Warrior

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Do you guys have actual shot timers or do you use an app on the phone?

>>64279795
I have a Shooters Global GO shot timer and it and it's app work very well for me. It has adjustable beep and audio detection levels so I can use it indoors with the sensitivity set to 25-30%. If someone is shooting an unsuppressed rifle in the next stall indoors it picks that up but pistols are fine. I could drop the sensitivity more and put it on a few boxes right next to the muzzle if I had to.

Anons are using a timer set an extra 5 seconds, you place your phone on the table and wait 5 seconds before starting the course of fire.

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Change of parameters, infil to the nearest office supply is now mission critical. Also, my printer's "collate" has to be "configured"

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>>64279795
>>64279805
The shooter’s global app also stores times so prosecutors can use it to prove you were training for months to stage a mugging where you frame so innocent astronaut to be

>>64279758
The 230/300 is an FN FNS-9C, just FYI

>>64279875
Will update

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Sold as a Charter Arms Factory Second for a cosmetic issue, I assume this scratch I can only see under the right light.
Didn't know I was getting the ported barrel or a real front sight. Neat!

>>64279778
Lemmie get that Stars n Bars grip then for my Poverty

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>>64279944
Is that an Undercover? If it is you should make a target with John Lennon on it

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>>64279948
I think technically its an Undercover Off Duty yeah
And you right I should and will

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>>64278742
I thought they fucked the scale of that 92FS but it turns out Aya Brea's canonical height is 5'3", kek

>>64278583
OK, I'll make it happen

>>64279947
I was going to cut it to take 120mm mags since I like flush fit better

Like this
https://mjd.solutions/shop/ols/products/mjd-villain-grip-carry-flush-cut

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I hate to have this saved but this is a great image to sum up anti OC fags

>>64278270
Dot torture?

>>64280166
I don't understand what you mean by anti-OC. Do you mean anons bitching about posting their own guns?

>>64280287
I think it might somehow be anti OC spray?

>>64280287
He means open carry. I'm not an open carry fan myself but frankly I couldn't care less how someone else carries their gun, mine will be concealed all the time in day to day life.

>>64280363
okay yeah disregard this >>64280354
im retardé

Open carry should be disallowed if your gun is too ugly to be seen and encouraged if your gun is exceptionally good looking

>>64280166
You're seriously fucking retarded.

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>>64280398
I'm a berettachad so this works for me

>>64278737
The double actions on these guns are fucking piss and the ones with the shroud to protect the rear sight suck ass so no, none of these should come back.

>>64280440
>more DA bitching
Skill issue

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>>64280491
I know right? You only need to shoot it once unless you own some DA only gun

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I bought my first handgun yesterday after trying a few out in the range.
I went with a shield plus carry comp because I was conflicted between slim-compact (for a longer barrel and a grip that doesn't leave my pinky hanging) and micro-compact (I want to conceal it as much as possible as a skinny guy dressed in just a loose t-shirt most of the year) and it seems like the best of both worlds.
I liked it when I tried it, certainly liked it better than the regular shield plus and I shot it no worse than the g19 I practiced on as a point of reference,
But now I'm worried that buying the first thing I liked was stupid and if I took more time to shop around I would have made a different choice.

What are your thoughts about it?
To be honest I'm looking to assuage my self doubts about this purchase.
>So basically your post is "I bought a shield plus carry comp, what am I in for?" but with more words
yeah

>>64281133
You're going to buy the other guns anyway.
Thats just the law of gun owning

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>>64281133
Also as for your purchase I think the only concern is holster availability.
I'm looking forward to shooting my Shield Plus soon.

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>install LTT trigger bar in my beretta
>just need to put the trigger bar spring back in
>it launches to kingdom come never to be found again

>>64278737
The 4506 has been on my want list for years. I have an unhealthy obsession with .45 aarp.

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First IWB holster
>usp lightly snaps into place
>I'm 6'1 205lb with some leftover belly from being 354lb, but I can appendix & hip carry
For reference, with 30 115gr 9mm rounds, HK P8A1 & 2 mags whole package is over 3lb.

>>64278261
My department uses the glock 47 are there any actual downsides to training with different models like a 45 or 43?

>>64281190
>EDCing a P8A1
I am a DA/SA/H&K enjoyer and even I thought the DA pull on the P8 was fucking awful. Props to you if you can make it work.

>>64281208
Go train with a water gun, piggy

>>64281208
Find a better department bro

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Time to hit bed, Coomoil chem upgrades are collected

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thoughts on the vp9sk? thinking of picking one up locally. doesn't have the capacity of the micro compacts but I like the 'hk not-a-g26' look more

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>>64281385
Eh.
You're not getting much more than the g26 for your money, and it's slightly bulkier, but if it suits your fancy $500 better than the g26 go for it. I'd rather have the P30SK or a P2000SK if I were buying an HK subkompact because at least I'm getting something uniquely HK.

Convince me not to buy this stainless two-tone Ruger P345 for $400

>>64281432
>P30SK or a P2000SK
Seconding this. Always choose hammer over striker when given the chance

>>64281606
Don't buy a stainless two-tone Ruger P345 for $400. Buy a police trade in Glock 31 for $360 and 2 boxes of ammo for it instead.

>>64281636
>nooo buy a clapped out glock for $40 less instead
lol lmfao

>>64281669
You are right, getting ammo for existing gun instead would be even more prudent

>>64281133
You chose fine. Just make sure you take a class on handguns.

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>>64281147
My condolences, I lost a spring like that once, it was awful, I never found it, it was not for sale anywhere and I begged Walther support for one.

FN announces new FiveSeven.
Looks even more generic

>>64281859
This is the “go to therapy” for guns. People obsessed with the idea that you can’t learn how to shoot from many free sources and you need to go to the designated indoctrination officer to be taught how to think

Im thinking about milling my px4 storm. Im an eurofag, so cant go with langdon, gotta find someone here.
But anyway, my question is, what are you supposed to do about the firing pin block that pops off the slide?

>>64282208
Some people are leaders. Some are followers. Be honest with yourself. Not everyone has the drive to practice dryfiring and holster draw in front of the mirror an hour a day

>>64282236
I think you can file the plunger down. Several other shops mill the slide for a Glock MOS plate that’s modified for the plunger

>>64282089
can't wait to have them ruin the magazine compatibility AGAIN

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>PPK got delivered around 12:50 PM
>no word yet
It's going to be another one of those days where I have to wait a whole day to even do the paperwork and fork over $55 now

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>>64282089
Really?
The new one is growing on me but nothing will beat the original.

>>64282598
>$55 transfer fee

>>64282598
Give them a call and ask nicely if they can work you in before end of business. Give them some bullshit about being 'busy' tomorrow or something.

>>64282838
Yeah it used to be $30 ($25 for the transfer, $5 for the background check)
Every FFL is getting greedy

>>64282598
I always show up like an hour and a half before closing and just casually ask them about a transfer they got in today in the early morning.
1.Its long enough from closing that they shouldn't mind doing the work
2. its so long into the day that it would be embarrassing for them to say they didn't get around to doing it yet
I've only done it twice but it's worked every time.
literally no excuses

>>64282598
My LGS has always been same day

>>64282892
Yeah unfortunately they're one of the biggest FFLs in town so they're always getting a ton of business.
You think they would invest in maybe making a position that just handles FFL transfers?

>>64282868
>Every FFL is getting greedy
Yea, definitely not because gun stores are shit in terms of profit and their rents gone up 40% in the last 4yrs or anything. Greedy bastards trying to keep the lights on and pay their 15/hr wagies!

>>64282938
Alright, fair enough.
That and having to constantly deal with a bpd ATF can drive anyone nuts

I'm stuck between a CSX, a Kimber micro 9, and a P2000sk for a hammer fired compact/carry gun in 9mm. Is there a clear answer here other that whatever I find cheapest? Are there others I ought to consider instead?

>>64282951
Consider deez nuts in yo mouth nigga

>>64282951
I’ve seen CSXs 400 dollars new before

where are the px4 anons? i need my beretta fix

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>>64282987
I am monitoring the situation

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>>64283000
them digits. and thank you

>>64283026
I’ve been carrying my PX4 again, I’m getting more and more comfortable carrying a full-size so I might reevaluate the full-size PX4 as a EDC

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>Call FFL
>the one guy logging all the transfers isn't even here today

>>64282598
This is never a problem for me as I have to wait 5 business days anyways and the shop owner knows I'll show up once a week has passed.
(I just don't want to pay for a CCW when we have glorious constitutional carry)

>>64283108
I only keep one because of not only being able to take the gun home, but because police are retards especially in the nearest big city and at least if you have a permit they wont act retarded.
Also my usual indoor range wont allow rentals without one

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Like a couch potato competing in the Olympics, you need an average person’s performance to show the skill gap between some of the people here and the rest of us.
I kinda fucked myself though, since I printed this out on 8.5x11” from a work printer. Those red X’s are where I ripped the paper like a mongoloid when switching them to 15 yards.
I definitely went too fast during the 15-yard sections, I could’ve slowed down a lot. But this is fun, and I’m looking forward to more practice and improvement.

>>64283054
I don't know why you'd even consider the full-size PX4

>>64283145
>work printer
I hope no one is noticing, last thing you need to deal with are a karen or man karen accusing you of plotting a shooting

>>64283145
Most definitely, ask me to do this drill before I started shooting every weekend and it’ll look similar. I used to shoot at 5 and 7 yards only.

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>>64278261
Printer is broken so probably not using the right target but here ya go

hg-qual-9-25

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>>64278261
Decided to try it with the Dan Wesson

hg-qual-9-25

>>64283407
>>64283519
those are the same academy targets I had, just smaller. basically everything except those shots directly on the number 8 count as in the 9 ring or closer on the AUTHORIZED paper target. your score is fucking absurd god damn

>>64283407
That's a very nice looking gun, I'm jealous

>>64283407
If you could get a ruler in the shot I can check if it’s scaled right

The bull should be
>The name "B-8" refers to the size of the 8-inch diameter black scoring area, which includes the 5.5-inch bullseye (9-ring), the 3.36-inch 10-ring, and the 1.695-inch X-ring

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>>64283534
Does this work

>>64283544
That will work

>>64283407
>>64283519
What would you like to be called on the collage? I think assigning names is against the point of 4chan but it happens naturally anyway

>>64283642
nobody else is going to have a dan wesson or a performance so the naming is pretty easy in my honest opinion not gonna lie family shaking my head

>>64283642
I guess OMAnon

so if you've set your optic for 7 yards as GOD himself intended, how the hell do you do these 20-15 yard drills?
Do you just wing it and aim low, do you pretend nothing's wrong and just accept that your shots are an inch or two higher than point of aim?

>>64283700
Learn your hold. It's part of the drill.

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I want to get a Mark 23 as a flagship for my collection. Does HK ever do sales or rebates on them? I don't own any other HKs and it's really the only one I've ever paid attention to so I'm not familiar with their practices.

>>64283700
>if you've set your optic for 7
Why the fuck.

>>64283736
just buy it used for under 2k from a guy with severe regret trying to get his money back. He is the fifteenth owner.
you will do the same later.

>>64283700
How about zero correctly for 25?

Zero at 7 where you shoot a super tight group and then out the target at 25 and shoot a group. Adjust height and check for windage. Reshoot 7

>>64283700
Zeroing at 7 yards is big dumb. Zero for 15-25 and just shoot a cunthair low at 7 yards, nbd.

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>>64283736
No but you can find them reasonably priced. Just don't be a sucker or you will end up like anon said
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1124125434

guys wtf is happening, has anyone experienced something like this?
>a completely fucked up gucci glock. New slide, new trigger, new barrel, fitted by hand by ME, holosun optic on an RMR cut, dodgy company that sold the slide to begin with, mismatched compensator, dremel polished trigger parts, reduced striker block spring, ghost connector, the absolute worst clown show ever so i cant assume its glock's fault
>keep it loaded obviously
>stored up on my wall, never touched
>its been maybe a whole fucking year since i've touched it
>grab it randomly
>rack the slide
>round wont eject, extractor isn't touching the rim at all
>try several times, different magazines, no mag and manually feeding the round into the chamber, simply ZERO contact with the extractor
>disassemble the gun, realize i cant remove the barrel cause of the red-threadlocked compensator
>fuck it, reassemble it
>it works now
>rack the slide and all rounds eject no problem
what the fuck happened

>>64283833
RDS screw hitting the extractor

>>64283833
I'm glad the first time you touched it a year in a year wasn't a home invasion or something you retard

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>>64283833
>>64283886
Possibly right side optic/plate screw is too long, pinching the extractor spring/plunger. Check for contact on the screw tip

>>64283893
i have 30 total handguns/longguns and four or five in carry rotation, apart from my actual home defense gun which is a short barrel shotgun
the retard glock i use to shitpost and scare the RSO at the gun range is NOT the gun im reaching for during a home invasion, retard

>>64283831
I'll watch gunbroker and other listings sites then (don't know which, I've bought most of my guns from people I know). I want to say I'd never wind up like >>64283761 said since really, $2500 isn't life changing, but depressions happen I guess, and nobody is irreplaceable in the modern economy.

>>64283904
Why would he be retarded for thinking the gun you have ideally set up for home defense isn't your home defense gun? Are you telepathic? Do you know how many guns I have or what I use and whether or not I'm retarded for installing an optic wrong?

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>>64283926
>custom slide
>compensator
>polished parts with ghost connector
>new trigger
but
>"ideally set up for home defense"

you are actually retarded

>>64283519
Nice to see a fellow wheelgun shooter!

Best enclosed emitter handgun optic?

>>64283930
Yes, ideally set up for home defense. Something wrong with your cognitive functions? It must be if you couldn't diagnose the single most common issue with optics on Glocks.

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>>64283964
die, faggot nigger

>>64283942
What are your criteria? But the EPS is pretty high up due to cheap, not a proprietary footprint, and small. Romeo X Enclosed is a "US Assembled" alternate, which I like alot except I got the 6 MOA version and the dot is way too huge for my tastes.

>>64283964
Ideally set up for FTE
No, really, anon, I'm sorry even after you fix it, please abide by the boomer rule, aftermarket slide = range toy.

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>>64283964
But is it set up for HOMELAND defense?

What's your favorite WML?

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>>64284090
>WML
there are only 2 categories
the Surefire x300 and KILT IN DA STREETS

make sure you make the right choice

>>64284090
The only one I have is a Streamlight TLR-7A that I keep on my Glock 19
I wouldn't mind getting one of the larger ones for an eventual M9A4

>>64284098
>there are only 2 categories
>the Surefire x300
>and actually usable switches
ftfy

>>64284090
https://youtube.com/watch/fuknf8YUY10

>>64284121
lmao
it's been years since I've seen this, glad you reminded me of it

>>64284106
skill issue

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>still a few hours left
Happy 9x19 Day, everybody!

>>64284173
You know, at the end of the day, 9x19 just works

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>>64284191
Yep, ballistic technology made all automatic pistol cartridges above 9x18 and below 10x25 equal

>>64284209
Not even just that, 9mm is just so damn versatile
>can be shot out of a pocket gun, compact, duty or competition pistol
>is also great for submachine guns too

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>>64284216
>submachine guns
Good shit, anon

>>64284223
And barely any recoil
As Hop once said:
>"It's fucking 9mm, just sack up and shoot it"

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That course of fire is ball crushingly hard. I didn't even calculate my own scores, pretty sure I only maybe passed with the Girsan set. And each of them were after 2 other bouts of warmups. In which I did pretty poorly as well.

>>64284243
I almost forgot.

hg-qual-9-25

>>64284243
the passing score is 200, you're passing

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is there anything like the dan wesson pointman 45 in every way but not stainless?

>>64284310
Tisas Duty B45

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Do you guys think this is a troll? Hard to tell genuinely...

>>64284390
Whatever, I just stick to 9mm since it's the most common, has the highest capacity for guns of various sizes, and will easily take care of any two legged threats.
I like .45 ACP as well but it only really works with 1911s because it's designed for it or guns like the USP, G30, or FN545 that give decent capacity but are big fucking guns for CCW

>>64284390
Go back sir.

>>64284409
This is literally the reddit 4chan board faggot.

>>64284404
My buddy wants to buy a 9mm 1911 is that retarded? It's only got 8rd mags too. It'd be his first gun too.

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>"Most self defense scenarios take place within three yards, with three shots fired in under three seconds."
With this in mind, would a .45-70 government derringer like the M-4 be the way to go?
I've always imagined follow-up shots against an intruder would only be necessary if your first shot either missed or failed to beat their armor.
If you apply the muzzle energy of a 12 gauge slug and follow up with #000 buckshot, then run to get another set of rounds into the gun, will the jury still find fault?

>>64284418
9mm 1911s are more finicky and magazine picky than .45 1911s but they've been figured out pretty well by now. They shoot stupid good, probably one of the smoothest shooting guns ever in all steel. Like it's not just the weight it's the action that's smooth shooting.

A super cheap one isn't guaranteed to work and honestly neither is a super expensive one (but you'll get good customer service).

>>64284390
When there's actually retards who think .45 vs 9mm still matters in the 2020's, it doesn't matter if that guy in particular is baiting

>>64284419
Your poor hand

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>>64284418
Honestly yes
Just fucking why?
There's no point to a 9mm 1911 because you don't get the advantage of capacity and if it's because of the recoil, should I remind you that it's fucking 9mm and it's going to shoot softly in most 9mm guns?

>>64284411
Wah wah wah GO THE FUCK BACK.

>>64284429
I think it depends on some factors
>what gun
>what role
>what size of the gun
>range toy or carry
there's a lot to consider on which caliber is best for the job.

What’s handgun most closely fits the below:
Thin like a 1911
Moderately Lightweight
Not 9mm
Preferably Medium/compact size
Manual safety
Preferably front/rear serrations

Feels good to finally have the 3 main sizes again

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>>64284444
And I forgot the photo

>>64284223
who the fuck puts a eotech on an MP5
>>64283886
probably, that whole assembly should be moving freely, he needs to install and check to see if it's captured or has resistance, remove the extractor plunger assembly, tighten the optic screw, then put it back in and see what happens

>>64283897
>enemy screw
typical, but big oopher for you not checking the fit on plate off gun before attaching. Manufacturers need to start adding like, 1mm extra, the Hellcat is the worst it's 2.4mm while Glock MOS plate and all the screws being sent out for it are 2.5mm

Like just make the stupid mounting position a little higher, hopefully the next gen of pistols we can just go balls deep and send 12mm screws with everything

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>>64284419
reminds me a bit of a Double rifle
>recognising the need for a rapid second shot to dispatch a wounded animal
heh, well you'd have to verify that your first shot missed, lest you shoot an coup de grace by accident
>run to get another set of rounds into the gun
akimbo derringer, or get a cop 357
>will the jury
be led astray by Grammar logic and rhetoric ? probably, the facts of the case only matter insofar as they serve a narrative
I've thought that with a shot gun you could claim to have only shot the threat "once"

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>>64284419
>With this in mind, would a .45-70 government derringer like the M-4 be the way to go?

Close. You want .22 Magnum.
It can put down 40' long snakes, sharks the size of Jaws, and a 100lb tarantulas with a single shot.

>>64284483
>heh, well you'd have to verify that your first shot missed, lest you shoot an coup de grace by accident
IIRC, you have to cock it each time.
>akimbo derringer, or get a cop 357
That'd work.
>be led astray by Grammar logic and rhetoric ? probably, the facts of the case only matter insofar as they serve a narrative
You've gotta consider the value of impressions.
Small, charming gun, employed defensively against someone who likely had at a bigger weapon and maybe even some armor.
Words can only do so much here.
>>64284430
Worth.

>>64284419
>.45-70 government derringer
Don't. Now, 45 colt is a much better idea

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>>64284503
>Small, charming gun, employed defensively
aesthetic considerations probably help allot yes, In a world of illusion you only see what you feel.

A part of me wants a Taurus Judge

>>64284515
>300 ft lbs of muzzle energy
Am I being advised by a future home invader?

>>64284515
I haven’t run the numbers but my guess would be the 50 Ae version probably has the most useful power…. Better powder match to the barrel length, still a fuck huge bullet…

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Just ordered one of these lil niggas. What am I in for?
>t. 8.38” 500 Mag owner

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>>64283761
And that is why no one will remember your name

>>64284668
Based. The only polymer-framed auto on the market that interests me besides the USP.

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>>64284098
Amen brother
Surefire 4 lyfe

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>>64284642
It’s a much sharper shock than a long barreled x frame, and it tends to want to come straight back at you… it’s the difference between stopping a punch, or catching a bat…. If you want some fun ammo for it the buffalo bore 360 grain hardcasts are probably the hardest shooting thing I’ve run through mine.. after that the “green county HAM munitions” 240 gn xtp loaded rounds are extremely hot for what they are and generally on the cheaper end of 454. Other than that aria ballistic engineering sells a 420 gn hardcast that isn’t as bad as buffalo bore but still has a lot of force behind it. I’ve got a 500 bushwacker and I’d still say my 454 Alaskan is my favorite gun to shoot. It’s a very visceral experience. Congrats on the gun anon, post some pictures when you get it in.

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Are fancy hand fitted 2011 worth the money or they are like luxury watch and you hit a plateau at some point? Picrel is a little over 4k€ at my local gun shop...

>>64284888
Nice trips. The answer is no. Imo 'high end' guns are largely like watches, in which the cost is derived from arbitrary factors that don't affect operation, accuracy, so on.

Do you want to spend the money on the one gun because it's cool? Then go ahead. But if you're asking me if it's 'worth' it? That's ultimately up to you, it could be your grail gun. Though if you're asking us here, it probably isn't.

That same 4k could be used to buy ammo and range time to go shoot for months, maybe even a year at my budget.

>>64284888
they are like luxury watches, there isn't really a plateau other than past 2k you're pretty much only paying for brand, fit and finish

>>64284910
>buy range time
Just out of curiosity, how does that work? In my country, I pay around 350€ a year, and can go to the range as much as I want during the open timeslots (5pm to 8pm tuesday & thursday, saturday afternoon, sunday morning) it's a first come first served basis for slots and there is 20m with individual target retriever, 25m with group target retriever (plus some gongs), and 35m /50m combo with individual target retriever (silencers are mandatory for stuff like 223 or 308).

Do you have to pay for each visit?

>>64284952
My local range charges you 25 bucks for a day pass. That's it really. I think there's a membership program that would allow me range access for 'free' but I haven't checked how much it is.

>>64284952
Alright, I just checked. It's 420 dollars a year for free range use. Definitely a bit more economical, I should probably sign up....

Anyone have experience with Shadow Systems pistols? Been eyeing an MR920P

>>64284243
My biggest issue with going in green at 25 yards is knowing the hold.
I thought I was sucking ass with my csx until I figured out at 25 yards it’s now shooting like 8 inches high and right for no reason. Used to not do this and the sights have not been moved one bit. Anyone know why this may have happened?

>>64285162
The Smith & Wesson wouldn't hit the paper the first time at 25 yards, I was fucking shocked when I brought it in and saw ONE hole after a full 10 shots.

My Girsan also shoots high which is displayed in the pattern fairly consistently. Another thing I had to get used to. Frankly, I think a 25 yards qual for a pistol in the era the FBI was using this test might've been a bit dumb but I'm unsure what their service weapon was at the time (besides the abortive 10mm)

Ultimately to answer you, range accentuates deviance. Maybe at close range you don't notice it, but how you zero a weapon and so on can just affect these things. Pistols do strange things at distance when you're new, in my experience.

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>>64278261
We have to talk about concealing double stack handguns. I can't for the love of my life stop the printing. The rear of the slide seems to print like crazy.

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Have any anons shot the keltec pr57?

>>64285205
Skill issue

>>64285205
Post pictures of yourself carrying lets see how bad it prints

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>>64285107
i have a mr918 thats a few years and several thousand rounds old. factory trigger was trash, and the striker channel liner was improperly installed, but once fixed, its been flawless. i know the mr920 has several changes from the 918 but i havent seen or handled one irl.

If I have most experience shooting (don’t own) a sig p220 would you recommend a 92fs or p30? Alternatively I could just have a family member transfer me their p226 but I wanted to try something not sig or .45

>>64285554
I would just shoot myself at that point.

>>64284310
Les Baer Premier II,

>>64285554
92FS, better trigger than the P30, aluminum frame, better looking

>>64285205
Gain 50-100 lbs and it's easy

>>64285991
Lift heavy, eat well, sleep well.
Sadly nobody wants to pay me to do exclusively this.

I periodically keep coming to here, to try to plan ahead - I can’t get something yet but I want to figure out what to get
What are some recommendations for a first pistol, that I want to carry? I know I want something smaller/more slim, and hammer fired
I am used to guns but not used to pistols nor concealed carry
I am trying to think of what to get to get used to it
Some of the ideas I have so far are the full size or compact CZ75 family, a USP compact, the P30, the DP51/K5 (I know I saw that they would be rereleased in the US), and the KDS9C

or something a lot smaller like a S&W CSX or CDS9

>>64286027
No, I mean dreamer bulk until the grip sinks into flesh marshmallow.

>>64286079
for carry, while I carry much larger guns, if you just have one it should be on the small side since you probably aren't used to concealing and or won't be used to the bulk of a larger handgun

but then on the small size it absolutely sucks dick to practice with, the CSX for me was fine but some of the other micros aren't fun

if you can carry appendix with a jacket or a hoodie you can carry anything

>>64286079
you are describing two different guns. get one for carry and one to learn to shoot on.

Is there a point to getting a full size 9mm if they only let me have 15 rounds?

>>64286132
15 vs 18 or 20 isn't a big deal

>>64284952
I live in the southwest US in a small town. We get fire bans during fire season and can’t shoot outside.. so I pay for an indoor range membership that’s about 5 minutes from my house.. it’s 29.99 a month and gives you free range time during open hours from 10am-7pm m-f and 10am-5pm Saturday and Sunday. Every once in a while if it’s packed you have to wait for a lane.. if you pay 39.99 a month you’ll get priority on the waiting list… I don’t think that’s worth the extra 120$. Without a membership it’s 20$ to rent a lane, with no time limit on the lane rental.. only goes out to 50 ft though, but it lets me get about an hour or so of shooting in every week so it’s worth it in my opinion.

>>64286079
guns that are "best" for carry are those ugly micro guns that don't fit all your fingers on the grip

>>64286132
The bigger the gun is typically the better it’ll handle recoil, you get more room for springs, and a longer barrel, typically with a longer distance between sights. Downside is weight and size… if your not planning on concealed carrying it theirs no real reason to try to get the super small guns….

>>64286132
if we are just talking for funsies id rather shoot a full size over a compact even if the mag was limited. Softer shooting, better ergos, etc. Flip the example around also, can I stick full size mags in a compact? sure. Do I prefer it over a full size? no

>>64286079
how come you only want weirdo guns?

>>64285205
>The rear of the slide seems to print like crazy.

aiwb carry like a normal person and stop letting noguns online trick you into thinking you will shoot your dick off.

>>64286317
You don't?

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>>64284443
It's got everything you want right here.

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>>64284888
It's about like this in USD, with US manufacturers. Solid quality gains until about $2,000, sharp diminishing returns past $2,500 or so (Mimber, Staccato), and severe diminishing returns past $3,500 (MPA, Bul) and a minor uptick at the extreme end

I've no idea where that one you posted lands or how to convert this to your local Kopecks

>>64286430
The conversion for that particular one is difficult as it is europe made. We have a lot of taxes and stuff making some firearms very expensive for no reason. For example a friend got a S&W shield plus 1 for 1000€.

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>>64286448
>For example a friend got a S&W shield plus 1 for 1000€

>>64286448
That's why I didn't want to hazard a guess. But knowing that you guys typically own fewer but more expensive (nicer) guns, there are probably a lot in that ~$2,500-$3,500 USD plateau (guessing 3,000-4,500 eurobux?)

>>64286430
For example, the staccato htp4 (basic version) appear to be $2699 usd msrp (without taxes), the same gun would run me 4600€ (vat and other taxes included).

>>64286466
>own fewer but more expensive (nicer) guns, there are probably a lot in that ~$2,500-$3,500 USD plateau (guessing 3,000-4,500 eurobux?)
From a few years looking at people guns, the most popular high end gun is the CZ shadow 2 for a little over 2k€.

>>64286473
its grim out there in euroland

>>64284411
No, it LITERALLY isn’t. Go back, you fucking faggot moulie.

My 70 year old father wants a 1911. He refuses to buy anything not made in America. He wants it as similar to WW2 era models as much as possible. What are my options?

>>64286683
auto ordnance

>>64286687
What is the general consensus on Kahr Arms?

>>64286731
im not even sure if kahr pistols actually exist

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Incursion to the local office supply store was a success! Special thanks to FN Anon for the idea to print Target4Free

>>64284435
He mentioned a wife so I imagine 9x19 would be the maximum for her comfort while meeting the minimum for defense

>>64285491
how are you liking that radian comp?

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I am once again concerned about a deficiency of EZ

>>64286683
>He refuses to buy anything not made in America.
BASED

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>>64281147
That's why you do this and leave the trigger and spring in.

>>64286891
>>64281147
Wait nevermind I'm stupid and misread your post.

>>64286731
They were the first good single stack micro 9mm, but now they are in the shadow.

>>64286814
what deficiency

Does anyone here happen to know about parts compatibility between the Shield 1.0 and 2.0, specifically slides?

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Anyone own a Security-9? Was looking at some budget pistols available in my area for CCW while riding my motorcycle. Seems like the Security-9 would work well with gloves.

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New gun day! I don't have a single round of 357 Sig yet, but some is on the way.

>>64286988
there was a brief time .357 Sig was like 40 cents a round a few months ago. Cor-bon made a bunch of it and then realized literally no one shoots .357 Sig anymore

69 hitler dubs

>>64286988
it doesn't look new

>>64286996
Yeah that's exactly what I ordered, a 1000 of corbon from the top of ammoseek. It was 350.

>>64286988
erm your trigger housing pin is poking out

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>>64287000
Apparently this guy had his way with this gun before it got to me.
>>64287013
I removed a backstrap and put it back, it's sticking out from both sides. Am I supposed to get a smaller pin now?

>>64287013
Oh I see what you mean, it's another pin, thanks

>>64287004
ah, last I saw it was 48 cpr after shipping

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>>64286805
works great, no issues with factory weight recoil spring. i train with winchester nato, magtech 124 and aac 124. carry ammo is 124 +p gold dot

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>>64286814
what is this?

>>64287068
Is it substantially louder than no comp and is the difference in muzzle flip really noticeable?

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RXM should have come standard with the black frame, makes the gun look much better

>>64287153
They could just sell different color versions but then you wouldn't have to buy another grip from magpul.

>>64287153
It just looks like an M&P 2.0 in black

>>64287073
My guess is it’s a roll pin to hold the breech block in place, like on the old P226s.

>>64287073
Loaded chamber indicator pivot

>>64287153
Is magpul still sitting on the other grip frame sizes?

>>64287194
They said "before turkey time" so probably late October

>>64283831
>Personal Check, USPS Money Order, Money Order, Certified Check
That was a good price but those payment methods, oof. I have a hard time sending a check/money order to some guy with a gunbroker account. I bet I miss out on some deals but I am never gonna pay with anything but a credit card. At least on egay with paypal I can dispute and get my money back if something never shows up.

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me when I'm carrying a Glock 43 OWB

Brand loyalty is a mistake.

>>64287068
Are those mags good?

>>64287271
That was more than a good price with an AD date code, it was a theft.

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>>64287073
Grease hole

>>64287577
zerker

>>64278873
Depends on what kind of Ruger revolver it was. Some models of Single Six command silly money, even in .22 LR.

In few years we are going to have a resurgence of P320 after the sear bullshit is fixed and lots of poor anons bought them for $200.

>>64287956
Nah the 320 is done. Only military guys who are forced to carry it and black "people" will use them.

>>64287956
It will be as a low level collectable for failed military guns. What I wonder is who will be next after the sig contract is up. Glock, cz, and hk have all been doing good( especially as hk now has a big US manufacturing here) , but I wonder if Smith or ruger will try something since they have their own now "duty" competitors

>>64288036
Glock. Glock is the standard.

>>64288036
It should have just been the Glock 19x

I would pick the M9A4 but the Army is gay

>>64287271
Just don't buy from accounts without some seller feedback and you're g2g. I look for gunbroker listings that are money order only because that's where you find good deals, since zoomer can't into going to the post office and asking for one.

>>64286988
>357 Sig
Isn't that just .40 S&W with a higher ballistic coefficient?

>>64288332
Maybe not higher bc, but bullets of similar shape smaller in all dimensions, so they are faster.

>>64288379
Fair

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I just wish .380 cost less

>>64288603
Just use 9mm like a real nigga

>>64289615
9mm Browning

>>64289630
9mm Whitening

>>64288603
did talon ever fix the pro grips or do they still fall apart after a month of usage? How old are yours?

>>64290028
That raises the question of which 9mm cartridge is the most Borean

>>64288603
Same, it makes shooting small guns a hell of a lot nicer than 9mm or .38 special

>>64290359
This isn't a Sig 230

>>64290158
9x25 Mauser Export
https://youtu.be/3hVXt9NYiJA

>>64290407
kek but I should have stipulated a cartridge design that's actually in production

new thread?

>>64290653
Sorry, I'm prohibited from baking breads per the treaty

>>64290462
In that case 9x25 Dillon

>>64290765
lol