the X-Wing is a bad design>blasters 2 miles apart>gay slow targeting computer that doesn't work>tiny bombsfuck off
>>64281101>the X-Wing is a bad designfrom a movie standpoint, its perfect>blasters 2 miles apartthe wingtip mounted guns makes it obvious where the guns are located and make them more imposing than the short stubby ones on the Y-wing and TIE fighter, so you instantly know its special compared to themit also marks it out as a sci-fi vehicle rather than a real life one
>>64281101death star status?death star 2 status?
>>64281115We didn't need those Death Stars
>>64281115Death Stars were feints
Grand Moff Tarkin will simply raise his eyebrow, and the rebellion will know.
>>64281115Shut the fuck up Jedi-apologist, you're just mad that you couldn't afford a death star.The empire can crank one of them out every month no problem, while the rebels resort to isis tactics, and fuck their sisters, the honorable warriors will stamp out your silly coup. You just got lucky. Also the death stars haven't actually exploded, they just had some minor mechanical problems, nothing that a bit of welding won't fix.
>>64281101THREE GALACTIC WARS
>>64281115>death star status?>death star 2 status?>bragging about a terrorist attack on a civilian scientific outpost
>Hoth kettle nearly completed
Void defense cuckolds allowed that terrorist Luke Skywalker to blow it up
>>64281131>both death stars returned to spaceport under their own power
>>64281160Go ahead: Post evidence that they exploded then.>proceeds to post animated fake videos on JEDI controlled websiteYou're ALL controlled by the Jedi by the way! Do you know who's profiting from all those wars? The Jedi! It always have been the fucking Jedis.They're spreading galaxohomo where they go, live in trees and wage war on peace loving citicen. It's time to ask yourself if you really want to die for the Jedi, I know I wouldn't!t - concerned ordinary citizen, refugee from Hoth
>>64281101>Friendly droid bro to fix stuff>Plus size cockpit for massive cocks>Not an A-wing
>>64281168this but unironically. without the judi none of the wars or terror attacks would have occurred
>>64281191>Not an A wingShove a bantha biscuit in your whore mouth, Porkins. You know why Incom made the cockpit so big? It's based on the Skyhopper cockpit. It's designed so any backwater retard can jump in and fly it. Piloting an A wing is a thinking man's game.
>>64281251you're based
>>64281101The guns automatically adjust to strike targets within their field of fire.
>>64281251
>>64281115That shit didnt count, we let it happen to justify going into hoth
>>64281251Backwater retards blew up deathstars with x-wings and some hick space truck held together with nigger rigging and wookie cursingThe A-wing is what you get when someone buys a 1991 MX5, an ebay turbo kit and just let them loose in an imperial shipping car park and no insurance will cover what comes next
>>64281200That's right, spoken like a good droid for jedi.
>>64281115Coruscant Status? Eclipse I Status?Eclipse II Status?Galaxy Gun Status?Lusankya Status? Byss Status? Jerec Status? Isard Status?Kaine Status?Zsinj Status?Jax Status?Daala Status?
>>64281251>Piloting an A wing is a thinking man's game
>>64281329>2fast4u ultralight design, a cockpit with engines bolted to it>cash strapped Rebel engineers still manage to fit a shield generatorHoly shit the Empire really doesn't give a damn about their pilots, do they?
>>64281115last I heard the Second Death Star was heading back to port under its own power, so thereeven if we lose it, it's perfectly normal to lose 2 superweapons and 1 Emperor in an insurgency; I should know, I was a lieutenant in the Imperial Artillery
>>64281101There seems to be something wrong with our bloody Death Stars today.
>>64281101If you just wanted to have a thread why the Y-Wing is so much better why didn't you just do that OP?
>>64281367they just print more of them
>>64281382no one likes that POS, everyone likes the Uwing
>>64281360Yes, as in "I think I'd like to terminate my existence for being stupid enough to volunteer for A-Wing pilot duty"
>>64281394
>>64281367Who cares when you have a population of 100 quadrillion+. Nothing Ever Happens
>>64281394>2 lost first day of the war>back to using stolen lambdaspffff imperial navy have 1 mil superior LAATs in reserve
>>64281168>jediThe fuck are you talking about, there are no jedi, that ancient religion died out a long time ago(this shit never made sense that was a single generation ago as of the start of the first movie).
>>64281101Behold, Better X-wing.
>>64281115>bragging about destroying two prototype Wow, you managed to destroy two whole death stars. Congratulations I guess. We literally didn't even need those.
>>64281552Now with More Pixels.
>>64281557forgot pic, but very much related.
>>64281514>(this shit never made sense that was a single generation ago as of the start of the first movie).there were only 10,000 Jedi, all heads from Council to Padawans, in a galaxy of trillions if not quadrillionsthere were only enough field Jedi to assign one Jedi to one galactic sectorfor all intents and purposes they're as familiar to the average Galactic citizen as the Papal Nuncios. Do *you* know what that even is?that officer could have been one of the post-Clone Wars new recruits who'd never seen Jedi in action. so far as he knows they were just spiritual advisors. about as useful as picrel
>>64281514Space wizards will touch your penor, report them to the Empire
>>64281101Where are you star wars cucks coming from? Nobody cares about you fantasy goyslop.
>>64281563>as the Papal NunciosI've met my Papal Nuncio and my countries ambassador to the Vaticanbut then again, I'm not average
>>64281575>I've met my Papal Nuncio lol I took a gamble and lost
>>64281602you should have known not to gamble because it's a sin
>Look up Battle of Endor on the Republic Holonet>Ewok VictoryDo Imps really?
>>64281115> he think a bunch of rebel could take down the death star > he doesn't see how this was an obvious inside job
>>64281367Remnant factions later installed shields on their TIEs without issue. My personal theory is that the TIE Fighter was literally just a first testbed Sienar made to showcase the engine while leaving a lot of room for extra systems and upgrades for an eventual production model. Only for some inbred imperial admiral and a bunch of procurement pukes to go "It's perfect, can you make us a couple million? Oh, maybe make it cheaper, remove the ejection seat." Meanwhile Raith Sienar just sits there not knowing wether he should cry at them butchering his masterpiece like that, or just shrug and take all the damn money.
>>64281115>sir, a second spaceship has entered the trench>(it appears to be a YT-1300 light freighter)
>>64281666I said no spoilers, Satan!!>Meanwhile Raith Sienar just sits there not knowing wether he should cry at them butchering his masterpiece like that, or just shrug and take all the damn moneyNo doubt the designers of the Eurofighter Typhoon feel the same way.
>>64281666The TIE Fighter is basically 20 years old at the time of the terrorist attack on the Death Star. The X-Wings are basically state of the art. Despite this they still are shown as being able to go toe to toe with them able to outmaneuver and even shrug off occasional hits despite the lack of shields. X-Wings even with shields were barely absorbing the firepower of a TIE Fighter so makes you wonder if the shields were even a worthwhile investment in the first place?
>>64281101It was cool and made cool noisesThats all that matteredOn a serious note, I wish that Star Wars was done with after Revenge of the Sith
Do me a favor and keep this thread around for 6 or 7 hoursI have sperging to do
>>64281367Not just a shield generator, they managed to cram in a fucking hyperdrive while they were at it. That's honestly the more impressive part, given that only twenty years prior they still had to use external boosters for ships of that size.
>>64281754Unless Pakistan and India get into another retarded poop throwing competition probably be around for the next 48hrs.>>64281828Didn't the Naboo Starfighter have a hyperdrive?
>>64281666That's almost what actually happened. Sienar came to the Space Superiority Fighter procurement program with a design that met the minimum specs and not a micron more. Hell, the regular TIEs we see are actually still an upgrade from the prototype, which was so spindly that it wasn't even able to fly in atmosphere without snapping its wings off. In typical fashion, Sienar offered a slightly more expensive version of the fighter at the unveiling trials, which added a couple thousand credits to the price tag and a few kilos of mass to the frame to make it capable of surviving atmospheric flight. The added expense was still vastly cheaper than any other tested fighter, and Tarkin loved the idea of pilots being utterly dependant on their carriers, with no opportunities to defect.The funny thing about the TIE line is that it actually features some really advanced technology in even the most basic model, which just isn't being exploited properly because of the spacecraft's inherently limited design. They also put remarkable amounts of effort into training their pilots, just to treat them as expendable.Still, it's stupidly modular so they built like a million variants and nearly all of them were dogshit.
>>64281713>X-Wings even with shields were barely absorbing the firepower of a TIE Fighter so makes you wonder if the shields were even a worthwhile investment in the first place?Other way around.TIE fighters were so over-gunned that only shields on X-wings allowed them to match or overmatch them in combat.
>Day 1000 of the 3-Parsec Special Military Operation to de-Separate the Outer Rim>Acclamator and Venator classes functionally extinct, Republic Navy is forced to pull increasing numbers of Mandalorian Wars-era Hammerhead and Interdictor-class cruisers from scrapyards on Raxus Prime to make up for losses>Republic’s flagship, the Centurion-class battlecruiser Ravager, was destroyed after the CIS successfully distracted the crew with a sign reading “Force users here, free food” and launched a proton torpedo into its exposed core>culture of institutionalized ass rape has permeated every level of the Grand Army of the Republic, buzz droids have been recorded dropping thermal detonators on clone troopers sucking each others’ dicks at least 66 times in the last week>it’s been a year since General Anakin Skywalker was killed when his shuttle mysteriously exploded shortly after he led the convicted rapists of the 501st Legion in a failed coup against Palpatine, claiming that he was a Sith Lord, getting to the very gates of Coruscant and completely routing Palpatine’s vaunted clone shock troopers before Jabba the Hutt negotiated a truce>Milblogger, Republican shill, and convicted pedophile Dave Filoni was detained by clone troopers on suspicion of being a Separatist spy and subsequently gang-raped to death>AT-TEs are regularly destroyed by Hailfire droids despite being equipped with cope force fields>so many Borg volunteers sent to help retake Naboo oblast have been killed that the Borg Queen has ordered the survivors pulled off the frontlines (having to fight off Wookie blocking detachments who try to rape them) and sent back to the Delta Quadrant>despite all of this, Chancellor Palpatine is confident that a complete Republic victory is a mere two parsecs away and that everyone should "trust the Grand Plan" due to flow of supplies from the UNSC to the CIS being recently slowed following the election of Lord Hood on an isolationist platform
>>64281869>>64281666>Sienar is the Keltec of the Galatic Empire
>Be a kid >"wooow Sci-Fi space battles are so cool">Be a teenager/young adult>"erm akshually Sci-Fi space battles are unrealistic">Become a decrepit boomer (>25)>"Wooow Sci-Fi space battled are so cool"
>>64281893Keltec if the CEO was a close personal friend of the president and he kept buying every stupid fucking idea to come out of his coke-fuelled engineering department.
>>64281101more like, name a single weapon that isn't bad design in star wars, the universe seems to have a serious shortage of good engineers>at-at walkers that can't aim the guns rearward>city sized super space battleships that go down by 1 (one) tactical starfighter kamikaze hit>a planet sized super space fortress that gets destroyed with 1 (one) torpedo because it doesn't have funnel protection which even ww2 battleships had
>>64281954>a planet sized super space fortress that gets destroyed with 1 (one) torpedo because it doesn't have funnel protection which even ww2 battleships hadThat's because they used Ghorman Kalkite to coat the reactor lenses
>>64281101Entire space fight stuff done wrong in the universe but here's a new hope.>jammers, get within a certain distance, spread out shots means more hits>every instance of a equal peer combatant hit just by one shot always explodestherefore, 4 spread apart means easier hitting of said weapon, and this is a superior to peer in rear shieldsit takes a jedi to get past all the electronic warfare devices to hit at long rangethey're all stealth craft bozo
>>64281115WOW you destroyed 2 Death Stars we didn't need anyway, but look at who's controlling more galactic territories. It's not a Death Stars war, retard.
>>64281986They can just adjust the angle of firing, anon. It's been canon since the first movies, on purpose or not, since they clearly converge at different distances depending on what's being fired at if you watch them closely.Presumably the little bits near the "muzzle" somehow allow the targeting system to fine tune the blaster's firing direction so they can all converge on one spot.
>>64281168>>64281200>giant "clone army" appears out of nowhere>minority religious zealots assigned to have complete control of their forcesThank fuck Palpatine shook off this coup. who knows where we'd be if we had allowed the jedi to take control of the galaxy's most powerful army. I'm sure the "clone wars" were totally real too. What's that? You don't know anyone who was at any of the battles? that's because the clones fought them all, duh! Fucking insane that people actually fell for this shit.
>>64281906>Keltec if the CEO was a close personal friend of the president and he kept buying every stupid fucking idea to come out of his coke-fuelled engineering department.That wouldn't be the worse corruption this administration has done but it would probably be the most aesthetic.
>>64282282>Presumably the little bits near the "muzzle" somehow allow the targeting system to fine tune the blaster's firing direction so they can all converge on one spot.Since they're some sort of plasma bolt, presumably a little magnetic nudge by the dish around the firing port could give it a few degrees of aim-assist.
>>64282285>I'm sure the "clone wars" were totally real too. >What's that? >You don't know anyone who was at any of the battles? >that's because the clones fought them all, duh! >Fucking insane that people actually fell for this shit.They have played us for absolute fools!
>>64281896Personally i just find the dynamics of pew pew visual range direct LOS shooting to be really limited and samey when they could show way more interesting things going on. More tech means more complex problems and more creative solutions. Like mind blowing levels of missile spam, anti missile screens and close in fire concentrations, jamming forcing fighters and ship to the merge, actual lasers necessitating huge clouds of deflective chaff, weaponized hyperspace jumps, fleets exchanging fire from entire solar systems away, slinging gigantic asteroids around, etc.Instead we got>gravity bombs in space>cavalry charges in space
>>64282333Star Wars' military aesthetics are fundamentally derived from WW2 footage, because that's what George grew up with
>>64281954The Tarkin doctrine did more damage to the imperial war machine than the rebels ever did.
>>642813671. It costs almost three times a much as the bog standard TIE.2. The importance of shields on fighter sized craft is over emphasized as you still eat shit 9/10 times anyway. Shields don't save you, getting your wingman to get the other guy off your tail and for the price of 1 A-Wing you get almost two wingmen in TIEs.3. X-Wing survivability seems to be largely thanks to engine redundancy, as much as if not more so than shields.4. The Empire has 25k star destroyers, there are 72 TIEs on an ISD, that's over 1.8 million TIEs on star destroyers alone before factoring in every ground facility, space station and every other ship both smaller and larger than star destroyers.5. You're right, the empire doesn't give a shit about people.
>>64282349it's also why we get dumb shit like breach-loading laser cannons with cartridge ammunition firing in broadsidesbut the World War 1/2 influence on Star Wars is utterly intrinsic to the setting and cannot be removed
>>64282349>Star Wars' military aesthetics are fundamentally derived from WW2AS IT SHOULDthe only fly in my ointment is that Georgey opted for gay carrier fighter combat instead of objectively superior cruiser combat
>>64282365There's also the fact that the rebels had way less to work with, skilled pilots included, so yeah, they're going to put much more effort into protecting those pilots. Consequences of not having a galaxy sized tax base and recruiting pool to draw from, and having to do your recruiting and logistics on the down low.
>>64282333And there's a gorillion settings for that. Star Wars is for wizards, WW2 dogfights with lasers and space ships giving each other broadsides.
>>64281101>t. salty TIE fighter pilot who needs to get transported to the battlefield and who keeps losing friends because lolnoshields
>>64282381I have considered an additional reason for why the empire is manpower maxing. Like how an ISD has a nominal crew of 40k while it can run on a skeleton crew of 5k. The more people are employed by the empire, the fewer unemployed troublemakers there are to want change and more people invested in the empire sticking around.
>>64282368And it's ultra based.
>>64282349I would accept that if they were as sophisticated as WW2 air battles with ships sending their fighter swarms to close in while slugging it out from afar and maneuvering, but the actual combat is more like age of sail shit. Its just not as cool when even the dumbest viewer thinks "there is a smarter way to fight this battle".>>64282384Dont forget the space pirates, bounty hunters and tentacle headed whores
>>64281713The X-Wing being able to take hits from the TIE fighter is exactly why you want shields. The X-Wings pre-battle of Yavin were very rarely given full power for weapons due to limited supplies of gas necessary for firing. The TIE's cannons were ridiculously upgunned for their role because the Imperials wanted to send a message.If both fighters were at peak condition and had pilots of the same skill piloting them? I'd honest to god put my money to the X-Wing for its shields, though if the Imperial Pilot has a little more skill than the rebel counterpart then it would go to the TIE for its sheer manuverability and overpowered guns
>>64282392Nah, Empire don't give a shit about unemployment. Big crews and decentralization aboard however means that slicer attacks are less impactful, sabotage is more difficult to pull off and organising a mutiny large enough to take the ship becomes harder.
>>64282510It also makes it harder to justify someone joining a rebellion. You may be able to convince SOME folk regardless, especially if they've seen the Empire's ability to be shitty beyond reason, but if the average citizen is either in the military in some capacity or is related to someone who's in the military, suddenly that becomes a lot tougher of a pill to swallow when you wanna go against your boss who's making sure you can still put food on your table or your cousin who's serving on an ISD.
>>64282349The Death Star trench run attack is pretty much copied (down to a chunk of the dialog) from The Dambusters
>>64282658Yeah and when you know that the attack vector they come in on makes a lot more sense.If you've got these targetting computers why do you need to try to force the torpedo to make a 90 degree turn to dive into the exhaust port when you could come 'diving' down from above and launch it straight in.But when you know its Dambusters suddenly the decisions make sense from a moviemaking perspective
>>64282661It's just such a shame we can't talk about the name of Porkin's dog
>>64282661Wasn't the explanation for the trench run that it helped them to avoid areas of highly concentrated AA batteries since they couldn't depress down into the trench? Obviously there's still the plot hole of all the fighters dogfighting it out over the surface elsewhere, but you can handwave that away as the AA density being lower and higher in certain areas.
>>64282663Wait what? Is it like HP Lovecraft's cat? Is the Actor that played Porkins horrible? Or was it the person actually a part of the raid? Or the person who played that person in Dambusters?
>>64282674It might have been, its been too long since I've looked into that, but you're still right there. The dogfighting is cool, but its implied from my watching of the movie that the Dogfighting is happening right over the Trench, so if they've got AA defenses then clearly its not total.Also if I remember correctly every shootdown of a Rebel fighter was due to TIEs, and they even make it a point of calling out that their fighters are too small to be hit accurately by turbolasers.
>>64282676Anon, it's a joke about the name of Gibson's dog
>>64282676Pretty sure that's just a reference to Guy Gibson
>>64282690I feel like the totally not flak towers did score a few kills, but maybe not on screen because someone getting blasted by them is less cinematic then a Tie saddling up on them.
>>64282691>>64282694Oh. I see, thank you for that horrid little nugget of history.
>>64282658>The Death Star trench run attack is pretty much copied (down to a chunk of the dialog) from The DambustersI played that game so fucking much as a child.Never did succeed in the bombing run, got damn close a few times.Usually I was just happy I made it to the damn, I was like 12 or something.
>>64282703They might have, I'll have to look into it later. I know the rebels didn't have a lot of fighters to send against the Death Star so the idea of the gunners (especially once Vader was up) not getting any kills makes sense. If nothing else it keeps pressure on the Rebels in a way the Empire loves to use.
>>64282674>Obviously there's still the plot hole of all the fighters dogfighting it out over the surfaceTurbolasers are intended for capital/support ships rather than fighters, hence the garrison.They're less AA and more artillery in the form of ultra-HMG, they're a credible threat to the Falcon but not so much a fighter.Aso, since "lasers" aren't photon based weapons travelling at light speed in Star Wars, they can't engage X-wings effectively when there are TIEs in the vicinity and the TIEs are more effective than the turbolasers so there's no reason to hold them back to clear shots for the turbolasers.>>64282710>Oh. I see, thank you for that horrid little nugget of history.Not a fan of Cthulhu mythos then?
>>64281101>the X-Wing is a bad designYet Lucas is a Bajianare
>>64282756>Yet Lucas is a BajianarewatAt the risk of getting called Reddit, that's a brand new sentence.
>>64281115they were going to have to be demolished for asbestos contamination anyways, at least that's what i heard
>>64282713>"got damn close">not "got dam close"ONE FUCKING JOBNEFUCKINGJOB
>>64281115Ever heard of Hoth, republic shill? The rebel front is collapsing. It won't last more than two weeks. The death star wasn't trying to destroy Alderaan, it was just doing a promenade in the hopes to end the conflict peacefully. Now countless rebel lives have been lost and admiral ackbar is insisting on continuing to the last alderaanian. The terrorism at the endor production yards won't make any difference and the mon calamari should never have enabled their puppets to continue this brother war in the first place. At this moment they're starting to realize that Mon Nuland was making promises she never planned on keeping. I'm actually laughing that you think a couple of x-wings are going to make any difference against the rugged and reliable TIE series. Dejedification is inevitable. I would know, I was Naboo's chief underwater planetary defense inspector, and the hero of the battle of 69 eastings.
>>64281251I remember thinking that one of the A-Wing pilots was a tranny because the lighting made him look like he was wearing lipstick and he had an effeminate voice.>>64281563Honestly I always assumed that the 10,000 Jedi was just counting Knights and Masters and that there were several times that number of Padawans, Initiates, and janitors.>that officer could have been one of the post-Clone Wars new recruits who'd never seen Jedi in action. so far as he knows they were just spiritual advisors. about as useful as picrelDon’t forget 90% of them got fucking smoked with almost contemptuous ease by their clone soldiers when Order 66 was issued. That probably did a lot to dispel the mythos around Jedi as great warriors.>>64281869Reminder that the X-Wing was originally developed for Imperial service but then a whistleblower told InCom that they were up for the next round of purges.>>64282690IIRC in the Special Edition of A New Hope at least one X-Wing is clearly brought down by turbolaser fire. So it was marginally effective, but the overwhelming majority were lost to TIEs that took off on Vader’s orders>>64282663>It's just such a shame we can't talk about the name of Porkin's dog>"COME HERE NERFHERDER!">"I SAID GET OVER HERE BOY!">"DON'T MAKE ME COME OVER THERE NERFHERDER!">cute little black dog strolls over>start petting>"Ohhhh who's a good boy. So warm and fuzzy. You're such a cute nerfherder!"JESUS CHRIST GEORGE
>>64282690IIRC Porkins goes down before the fighters launch so either his mechanic hated him (because of the name of his dog) or a turbolaser hit got him
>>64282796You missed>>64282713>made it to the damn
>>64282776Bajillionare is what he was shooting for, my ESL friend.
>>64282658>>64282661Yep
>>64282834So I checked, apparently his fighter took a hit from attacking a deflector tower and wasn't flying well after that, he got told to leave and like a fuckin moron, stayed and got killed.So yeah the Turbolasers weren't useless, but hitting a damaged fighter that was difficult to control isn't exactly high praise
>>64282839No, I saw that - I chose not to mention it because "got dam close" + "made it to the damn" would have been even better.
Honestly the empire should've just spent the money they spent on the Death Star on buying BTY-180 carriers from the Preox Morlana Authority.
>>64282832>That probably did a lot to dispel the mythos around Jedi as great warriorsRemembering them as autistic warrior monks who got slaughtered by regular guys probably leads to the kind of picrel.>Yeah, they could do some bullshit but nothing that matters when you're holding an old DC-15, let alone an E-11.Imagine the fudd-lore about Jedi.
>RE: ShieldsShields in Star Wars have a lot less visual feedback than in, say, movie-era Star Trek, so people tend to miss them a lot. The clearest-cut example at Yavin is at about 2:15-2:20 here.https://youtu.be/3yWrXPck6SIAnd if we jump over to the prequels, we have about 2:00-2:24, where hits on the shields produce a blue sparking effect in addition to the orange-red-white explosion caused by asteroid strikes.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvaxI4hK45cThe shields are there, they are doing things, but nobody notices because nobody's calling out percentage numbers.
>>64281563>>64283100Their rep as warriors seemed well-established among the civilian population (a slave boy on tattooine knows about them and their laser swords and thinks no one can kill a jedi, every trade federation bureaucrat is terrified of them by reputation alone, they're stunlocked by sidious ordering them to kill two random jedi, and they come up with the most nonconfrontational plan possible when they have an entire army aboard their ship). Also the clones experience killing the jedi wouldn't translate to their rep in the general population because the clones were specifically separate/expendable.The jedi myth meme is nonsense anyway. The jedi being corrupt traitors trying to take over the government was a major propaganda point in the establishment of the empire. The assassination was specifically blamed on them. And during the whole clone wars, palpatine was puffing up anakin in the media as being the only good one. In the opening of the third movie, anakin is being publicly given the credit for winning the huge battle over corsucant.
>>64283201If you see explosions on a ship and something doesn't fall off, you can assume the shields are working. Rebels instead renders shield hits as 'sparking' rather than outright explosions.
well?
>>64284170Without a convenient Death Star placed closely nearby, a bridge hit is entirely survivable.
x wing four gun99% of tie fighters two gunfour bigger number than two
>>64284225No shields means the TIE can dump more power into engines and guns though. They fast as fuck, boi.
were a-wing pilots canonically on any drugs like death sticks or something
>>64281101Can you even imagine what a maintenance nightmare those things must be?
>>64281115>death star status?Space wizard prodigy killed it and X-wings suffered same death ratio as Y-wing>death star 2 status?Millennium falcon killed it
>>64284297Rebels can't afford to be picky.
>>64282365>It costs almost three times a much as the bog standard TIE.And did 10 times more essentially giving the rebel alliance galactic range within which to conduct operations without the need of supply lines or fleets to carry the fighter to and from battle. The X-Wing can be stationed on any planet or tiny outpost with enough range to render its operational base a mystery and packs enough punch to allow it a wide mission profile while still being of comparative capability to the TIE and even being able to hold its own against the more advanced TIE InterceptorIt's more expensive, but the price is there for a reason.
>>64284253>No shields means the TIE can dump more power into engines and guns though.That's not how that works, the amount of power that can be produced is always a constant, what you chose to dump it into is not. You don't want to power shields? Don't. TIE's don't have an option because they never had shields to begin with becausetheir doctrine for engagment is wildly different.
>>64281115Well, based on this image, it would be like being in Dallas and being able to see the skyline of Houston in detail.
>>64281557nice try but we know what the actual prototype looks like
>>64284079But I think there's more nuance to it that never made it into EU canon because Lucas never wrote a setting bible. Quick points again, the Falcon's escape from the Death Star and the Queen's run on the blockade.https://youtu.be/3_OS9nk9Lv4https://youtu.be/gfMoXBOjWBMIn the Falcon's case, we see two cases of the ship taking damage. The first run cases a power fluctuation, while another knocks out a control surface and starts a minor fire. Yet we don't hear the "shields failing" alarm that played during the run from Tatooine. For the royal ship, one of the first shots goes right through the shields to strike a generator, but the shields continue to function for several more seconds, but fail to protect the droids on the hull of the ship.What I'm getting at is that I think shields might be a better name than we think, with multiple projectors on gimbal mounts each forming a part of the field. Angling or "doubling" the shields, then, is turning them towards the direction of incoming fire, either because there are physical gaps in the shield wall, and/or because a single projector can burn out very quickly under fire to create said gap.
>>64284297Unironically a big problem for the New Republic in the old EU when they had to form a proper government and defend their own worlds. The end result is they had to develop their own TIE Fighter equivalent which managed to be worse than said TIE Fighter in almost every way.
>>64285217>never made it into EU canon because Lucas never wrote a setting bibleLucas's notorious approach to the EU was "canon? what canon? everybody does their own thing"he just couldn't fathom the idea of a CONSISTENT shared multi-media universe>Angling or "doubling" the shields, then, is turning them towards the direction of incoming firewe know this from ANH where the Rebel fighters switch their deflector shields forwards or backwards to deal with trench AA or TIE fighters, respectively> a single projector can burn out very quickly under fire to create said gapthis seems to be the consensus taken by most SW video games as well
>>64284215>Without a convenient Death Star placed closely nearby, a bridge hit is entirely survivable.Star Destroyers operate in and near large gravity wells. Planetary bombardment/heavy artillery support of occupation forces is what they are FOR.
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>>64281896The pendulum swings. I'm back to watching Gilligan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o01D2c9B9bc
>>64285799nobody cares, go bump your thread on reddt
>>64285642>he just couldn't fathom the idea of a CONSISTENT shared multi-media universeHe could. He just defined consistent as "what i write".And to be fair, if you wrote a series and then a bunch of other people wrote parts of it, some of it wildly contradicting your plans and ideas, wouldn't you pull rank sometimes as well?Especially some of the stupid shit people were putting in, I'm surprised he was so chill about it.
>>64285799Gave me a chuckle
>>64285642>this seems to be the consensus taken by most SW video games as wellI don't quite agree. It's a little too Star Trekky for me, and I largely blame it on the earliest iterations of gamifying starfighters being based on Star Fleet Battles. It's too consistent, with a whole arc covered until all shielding covering it fails, instead of a bunch of bespoke shields, with each individual failure increasing the risk of something just bypassing them wholesale.>Lucas's notorious approach to the EU was "canon? what canon? everybody does their own thing"I think a lot of that comes down to Empire. If you go back to his original interviews in the late 70s, he was talking something like 12 films, but he'd only direct the first and last, and let his buddies each take on one of the others. But then Empire made him realize that he was never going to be happy with a project if he didn't do it himself, because nobody else had his particular flavor of autism. Therefore, he chose to just largely stay hands-off the EU rather than also make himself the chief editor of every single book.
>>64286493I still remember that he wanted David Lynch to direct Return of the Jedi
>>64286280Lucas did eventually go with a tiered canon approach. A thing was canon unless media from a higher tier contradicted it, with the movies being on top of the pyramid.
>>64286280>He just defined consistent as "what i write"that's the pointhe let everyone run wild on whatever he didn't personally touch, which is what causes the EU wackiness>contradicting your plans and ideas, wouldn't you pull rankthe issue is not EU writers contradicting Lucas, on which he was clear; the issue is EU writers contradicting each other>I'm surprised he was so chill about itbecause he didn't give a damnthat's how uber autists like fucking Filoni get away with running roughshod over other EU contributors>>64286493>whole arc covered until all shielding covering it fails, instead of a bunch of bespoke shields, with each individual failure increasing the risk of something just bypassing them wholesalethat's far too granular for most systems to handlecan you imagine for example Warcraft 3 trying to implement that? >e.g. if say Head, Torso, Buckler, Arms and Legs are 5 different hit locationsyou've multiplied health tracking for each unit by x5most PCs of the era would go nuts trying to track, e.g., separate health and shield bars for up to 1000 to 4000 units across a multiplayer map, not to mention mana barsas is, the shield mechanics in e.g. Galactic Battlegrounds and Empire At War is good enough to approximate SW hardware
>>64286670>as is, the shield mechanics in e.g. Galactic Battlegrounds and Empire At War is good enough to approximate SW hardwareI disagree, I think that they are losing something substantial in the translation, but I admit that that's a very personal bugbear. It's a system that's tailor made for film, letting you scale the drama as needed, because shields are mostly reliable until you start taking serious fire, but there's always that slip-through risk, and you can pawn off the deep technical simulation in favor of "we're fine as long as they don't get a lucky hit", "oh fuck we ate a lucky hit" and "ohshitohfuck the shields are failing", while also creating space for concentrated fire on a single location to overwhelm all the projectors capable of covering it, AND for overwhelming shields by spreading out angles of fire, negating redundancy by forcing the shields to be spread thin instead of layered over top of each other. It gives a great deal of freedom in a dramatic sense for why shields are or aren't effectively defending the ship in any given instance. The cost, as you say, being that it would be an absolute pain in the ass to make a hard simulation of.
>>64281382Hey guys, you ever notice the A Wing is just a Y Wing Cockpit?
>>64281101Considering Combat in Star Wars is WW2 at best, it's a very good fighter compared to a fucking Spitfire.
For me? The holy B wing
>>64281115Prototypes.Already almost done on a planet sized one.And if that fails we've got a thousand star destroyers with death star lasers on some fuck off planet.And if that fails we're working on a black hole powered superweapon, we just haven't figured out how the self destruction system will work. The buttom for which will be located somewhere easily accessable, barely guarded and has no additional safeties.
>"We need the good guys to win, so the bad guys are just utterly pants on head retarded". The Death Star is the ultimate example of Hollywood idiocy. For less than the tenth of the cost of building a Death Star you could probably have dedicated flotillas of Star Destroyers stationed across the Empire, ready to blockade rebellious planets - carpet bomb their cities until they start tearing into the bedrock, and deploy TIE Fighters to firebomb any visible agricultural facilities groundside. After 6 or so months of that the planet should have been stripped of intelligent life, either by the bombardment or just from starvation, and the Star Destroyers Storm Trooper complement can search the planet the old fashioned way just to make sure nobody is playing games with sensor bullshittery. As an added bonus the planet is still there once you've finished, and can be given a few decades for the environment to recover and stabilise before it's recolonised with loyal Imperial citizens. Maybe they can use some of the money saved to put together a JAG taskforce to find, try, and execute the lunatics in Imperial Procurement who keep greenlighting 5000 variants of the same fucking vehicle for no discernable reason.
>>64282363Picture it anon: no death star but a proper successor to the venator class carrier filled go through brim with TIE defenders roaming everywhere throughout the galaxy, utterly BTFO'ing any rebels that so much as poke their head out anywhere in space.
>>64289254>>64289255luke still would've won.
>>64282363But it did give the Wizard more evil juice for experiments >>64289255Moff Anon of Sector Shitooine likes to play with his Secutor class Star Destroyers supported by Tector Star Destroyers, thanks to being the cousin of the slave sellers best friends brothers sister children with Core political connections they get shafted with the remaining TIE Defender schematics.
>>64288757>Xwing does everything>hero unitIt IS the fucking Spitfire, moron
>>64281559>>64281552can i get it in vtol with no blind spots?
>>64281101What always fucked me up was how much worse the seeking missiles were than regular missiles. Some fucking upgrade.Regular concussion missiles?>FIRE FIRE FIRE FIRE FIRE HELL YEAH>destroy entire convoyLocking missiles?>is that an enemy? Are you sure? Better fly right at them for a while just to be sure>how sure tho?>...fire one single missile>...>hit one thing...once>entire fucking convoy spreads out and returns fire
>>64281966Motherfucking K̶̛̛̭̿̾͗͆͒͆̏̀̌͝A̷̟̎͛͑͝L̷̤̝̗͈͇̋͜Ķ̵͍͉̼͖͔̗͈͕̪̳̯̤̪͌̍͐͂̌I̸̖͍̿͝Ṭ̵̢̖͉̫͙̈́̈͛̊̄̿̿̿̍̎̆̓̂̌̃͆͛͜Ë̵͇̝͎͕̺̙̻͈͕̘́̐̆̍̿̐͛̀͌̿́̌͜ͅ
>>64289226It also HAS to be within walking distance of the only hanger that is used to store captured rebel ships, specifically the millennium falcon or a random solo x-wing
>>64282333Gundam is probably more your speed. The WWII-style close combat has reason based in lore (no more bvr lol) but battle choreography tends to be a lot more complex and thought-out, on average.
>>64289482Anon, I'm currently building an MG Sniper II White Dingo custom and while I understand what you're saying, this is also a series where a robot flips a visor down over another visor and then poses like it's looking through the scope of a scaled up bolt-action rifle.
>>64289555Hilarious thing about the GM Sniper Custom and the GM Sniper II is that they're used as high speed, low drag ace machines more often than fulfilling actual sniper roles.
>>64289669Not their fault they look too cool. And I'll take it over the Jesta. I kinda love it in a way, how silly it is to have a Jegan variant that's just a GWOT-era operator operating operationally.
>>64289732>just a GWOT-era operator operating operationally.why do you say that?I much prefer the visors of the Jegan line over the GMs
>>64290540Probably because of the suppressed beam rifle with the holo sight and the base jabber turned RHIB for doing seal shit. The Jesta is very... of its era.
>>64290557>suppressed beam rifle with the holo sight and the base jabber turned RHIBoh yeah that's pretty stupidI was only looking at the mecha design rather than its kit
>>64290563I honestly kind of love it for how over the top it is as a tacticool GM descendant, a mobile suit for Modern Warfare 2.But in universe it's pretty silly as something only three years removed from CCA, where the original Jegan is still a limited access grunt reserved for elite units who can pull strings.
>>64281105>wingtip mountedTechnologically there can be reasons, such as clearance from the deflector shield. That wingtip rocket interceptor the US had had wingtip rockets to keep the rocket exhaust far from the air intakes. Also in the age of technology you can worry less about fixed convergence from wing weapons due to better fire control systems.
>>64281329Literally the best starfighter in xwing v tiefighter.
>>64290803One explanation that apparently has some credence from the X-Wing novels is that a major chunk of the weapon isn't actually generating the bolt, it's making that bolt go in the vague direction you'd like it to through magnetic fields and shit. Since the T-65 has oversized cannons for a fighter its size, you want them much further apart than usual to avoid interference from each other throwing accuracy. Then since you can adjust convergence on the fly, it's easier to compensate for the greater spacing.
