What is the point of MARSOC when you already have The Navy Seals? Is this just the Marines being gay?
>>64281936>each branch has instant and immediate access to all divisions of other branches
>>64281936Your question makes me think that you're the only gay one here OP
Remember when Steven was cool? And not whatever the fuck he is now?
Unironically though, why is MARSOC separate from SOCOM?
>>64282010they aren't?
In essence, while both MARSOC and the Navy SEALs are exceptional special operations forces, they are not redundant. The existence of MARSOC ensures that the Marine Corps, with its distinct expeditionary and amphibious nature, has a dedicated special operations component that can integrate seamlessly with its conventional forces and execute missions tailored to the specific needs of the Marine Corps' global footprint. The Navy SEALs, meanwhile, provide a unique and specialized maritime, air, and land capability for the U.S. Navy and SOCOM, focusing on high-level, often clandestine, missions around the world.
>>64282039Thankyou chatGPT very cool.
>>64282026>>64282010It isn't. Force recon is separate from SOCOM
Marine Raiders are basically a copy of Army SF. The maritime boat raids are still done by Recon/Force Recon.
>>64281945Realistically, why doesn't the United States military just unify?
>>64282372Why doesn't the world just unify?
>>64282461Unified armed forces aren't uncommon or unthinkable. Why is it so unthinkable for the United States?
>>64281936MARSOC is competent, SEALS are not.
>>64282471If it were a good idea everyone would do it.
>>64282475What've they done?
>>64282556kill bin laden
>>64281988Not really, no. He always ran like a girl and bitched out of fighting Van Damme way back in the day.
>>64282568I meant Marsoc
>>64282589Yes.
>>64282489Wrong and smoothbrained take.The reality is that the people at the top of each of the branches (and those with aspirations to climb the ladder up each of the branches) like having their own little kingdom and will do anything they can to stop them from being unified, entirely for their own personal benefit and with zero consideration for national security or what's best for their country.
>>64282605cope
>>64282611Nothing for me to cope with, I understand and accept the reality of the politics that drive organizational change and have moulded my career path to take advantage of it. I believe you are in fact the gentleman who must 'cope' as you have so succinctly put it.tl;dr nou
>>64282589they can eat more and bigger crayons than normal marines
In short, Force Recon is very good at VBSS, counterterrorism, conventional warfare and direct action, but the Marine Corps had no special operators to do "Grey Side" clandestine ops, ie: psych ops, info ops, Foreign Internal Defense (fid), asymmetric warfare. The SEAL's original reason for existing, and what they still primarily do despite you not hearing about it, was underwater bomb disposal and pre-landing beachhead reconnaissance, which MARSOC is not training on. MARSOC exists not solely because the Marine Corps wanted to feel special but because within the department of the Navy there was demand for more "green beret" type operators that could be moved around and supported with navy/usmc assets and free the SEALs up to do other things. Having your seals tied up in Syria doing intel ops or in the Congo training the next warlord's army when there are routine hostage crises in the red sea is not efficient
>>64282645exactly what a coper would say
>>64281936>What is the point of MARSOCRumsfeld wanted more bodies during the GWOTThat's it MARSOC will be disbanded in 10-15 years
>>64282698>clandestine ops, ie: psych ops, info ops, Foreign Internal Defense (fid), asymmetric warfare.There's already a gorillion groups that do this
>>64282716so why'd he downsize the military?
>>64282704mfw
>>64282752
>>64281936>CASEY FUCKIN RYBACK???
>>64282651TOO POWERFUL.
>>64281936ok but first ask yourself, why did the Navy need to create DA units when the Marines already existed?
>>64282234I always found this to be retarded, they should be a of copy ranger regiment if anything. The military doesn't need more "operators" doing foreign internal defense.
>>64282372This. The US should have the US Army, the US Army Air Force, the US Army Navy, the US Army Navy Air Force, the US Army Navy Army, and the US Army Navy Army Air Force. All neatly unified like a civilized country.
>>64282698That's what USAID is for though.
>>64284104Hi China.
>>64283243>The military doesn't need more "operators" doing foreign internal defense.During GWOT they did. That's why SFAB was created.
>>64282758FINALLYsomeone posted it
>>64284627why are they all black women? were they conducting operation in Chiraq?
>>64281945Should have rolled paras into the Airforce for that reason desu
>>64281936What's the point of the Navy Seals when you have MARSOC?After all, the navy is gay
>>64284104What about the US Navy Army Navy Air Force?
>>64283243Tbf recon marines are already a copy of rangers, so the marines are covered in those regards, they just needed more specialized SF dudes as force multipliers while not relying solely on the army or navy
>>64286538Why? When would the Marines ever be in a situation where they needed their own copy of Special Forces? We have combatant commands for a reason.
>>64286699SF is more of a force multiplier than anything, so a better question is when wouldn’t you want your own copy of SF?
>>64286703It costs money and resources to train SF, which are already being spent on training actual SF. If you let them do their thing instead of making your own copy you don't have to duplicate effort and waste stuff you could spend on something else. Again, we have combatant commands for a fucking reason.
>>64286728Well there’s a few reasons why you’d want your own. 1. They’re readily available and under your direct control, so you don’t have to have the army or navy attach them to your units and you wouldn’t have to deal with the whole two separate chains of command thing. 2. They’re expensive but they’re a huge force multiplier so it’s always advantageous to have more. 3. And this might be the biggest reason, since force recon aren’t officially SF despite being SF capable (much like rangers), they aren’t in socom. Marsoc lets them be a part of socom while also having their own SF which is nice for the above reasons
The actual purpose of the Navy Seals today is advertising to boost the Navy's recruitment numbers of physically fit 18-19 year olds. They're the only special forces branch in the US military that takes applicants off the street, because they know that it can be used to hook kids into 4-year contracts with the promise of a shot at the Seals. They then throw them into BUD/S straight after 10 weeks of boot camp, and set the standards as arbitrarily high as they need to reject 80-90% of them. Big Navy then can send the rejects wherever they need to scrape paint and turn wrenches for the next three and a half years. The enlisted standards are set so ridiculously high that most of them who do make it do so through the use of steroids and other PEDs.Meanwhile, every other special forces organization only takes guys who have been in at least for a few years, and are E3s or E4s at minimum.
>>64286782>ey're the only special forces branch in the US military that takes applicants off the streetexcept for Special Forces and Rangers
Die pointlesslyWhole program was a wasteJust like that direwigler Dude
>>64282589They don’t write a memoir about every operational fuck up.
>>64282605ThisBranches need to go
>>64287893>>64282605>>64282471You guys know we have combatant commands that unify all of the branches assigned to their region, right? There's a huge, critical difference between OPCON and ADCON.
>>64286538>recon marines are already a copy of rangers,How so?
>>64286782Well, the Army does give out 18X contracts to ostensibly allow street-to-SF enlistment, but in practice well over 90% of these guys wash out and get re-classed to some other combat arms.>>64286791If you meant green berets, see above. Rangers aren't really SF
>>64288524I heard only about a dozen 18X guys actually pass per year.
>>64288568Doesn't really matter the exact number but it isn't great. Not that selection is THAT hard per se, it's fucked and gay and it will suck big time to be sure, more that they just aren't ready for it. Generic Joe fuckstick from the street wanting to be high speed has a low statistical chance to pass. That being said, if you train hard and you've been through arduous shit before, you will pass selection. Most of the people signing up for 18x don't have that. That's why the attrition rate is so poor. People who are already in the Army have a better pass rate because they understand the gay.
>>64284104>Aviation (Chinooks and shit, Army Air Corps became the AF anyway)>amphibious armor, waterborne operations, 75th and 10th do this stuff all the time>Naval Aviation>literally the USMC>Marine Aviation>>64286495Space Force
>>64282372Mainly to decrease the effectiveness of military coups.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Turkish_coup_attemptIn above air forces attempted the coup while the army shoved a dick in their throat.
>>64291118Wrong, different branches are a good way to self-segregate potentially incompatible types of military personnel:>marine corps: branch for the dumbest shitheads who want to join the military>air force: branch for weeaboo-loving faggots>navy: branch for regular faggots>army: branch for fat Mexicans and whores
>>64281988He was always a piece of shithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5aWLcasUlchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xz2JyPgUmH4
>>64281936They have different jobs. SEALs do underwater demolition and sabotage ops, EOD on board ships, and decapitation/counter-sapping work in advance of a beachhead, as well as helping support the CBs when it's being established. MARSOC does more boots-on-ground stuff, at least in theory. Pretty much every task force has a few SEALs on board for EOD work. They often also handle small arms and CQB qual/training while underway.>>64282372Different needs, traditions, and competencies of command. >>64293063Hey now, I'll have you know there are plenty of fat hispanic whores in the Navy. Most of them were even women. You gotta start hanging out in Supply and with the weatherguessers instead of just lying down on the floor in your workcenter and whining about not getting laid.
>>64281988>Remember when Steven was cool?when was that supposed to be? he runs like a faggot, he isnt/wasnt jacked, he isnt handsome and he is in like 2 somewhat good movies
>>64282372>just do the canada thing lolI'm sure there will be no consequences whatsoever to hyper-fucking organizational and budgetary structures, and having officers who have no idea about another's field stomping all over each other's feet. To say nothing about the complete devastation of esprit de corps. To answer actual OP's question though, the Marines got tired of losing ops to secret squirrels during the GWOT opr8or craze and decided they needed their own.
>>64293342I was listening to an interview with a Raider that said Recon and Force Recon were being underused in GWOT. They were being used as grunts and all the cool missions were going to SOCOM. They didn't want to seem irrelevant and jumped on the SOCOM bandwagon.
>>64293314>They have different jobs. SEALs do underwater demolition and sabotage ops, EOD on board ships, and decapitation/counter-sapping work in advance of a beachhead, as well as helping support the CBs when it's being establishedWhen was the last time they did any of this?
>>64295131They board pirate ships and blow them up in the Middle East and Africa.
>>64282611Is that an AUG
>>64281936There isn’t one. The Marines got extremely buttmad they couldn't do shit when we first invaded Afghanistan and the Army got all the good press. They made up for it with Fallujah and Helmand.
>>64282372> United States> not actually unitedsigh...
>>64281936MARSOC was created to make use of Marine FORECON resources for SOCOM. The only reason why because Marines didn't want FORECON to be under DOD's SOCOM. A lot of bullshit happened to make shit happen. DOD got their Marine resources.The Marines still got to keep their SF. Now you have another acronym that does the same job because of internal politics. This isn't a secret, it's all publicized.
