Attention, /k/. I am Star Colonel Nikolai Malthus of the Jade Falcon Clan. A full Trinary stands ready to conquer your board. What forces dare oppose us?
>>64284525
>>64284525FIVE clones of Paul Harrell with his full memories armed to the teeth and in his vigorous, youthful prime. he's going to smash all the puss
>>64284525muh dick
>>64284525>What forces dare oppose us?I Glenn Lofall, of the Eridani challenge you!
I'm calling the galaxy rangers.
>>64284555Trips confirm.>Not guts no glory>No pain no gain
I've been playing BT for 35+ years and this is awesome. I do accept your batchall oh, I'm bringing nothing but field guns.
>>64284525>Attention, /k/. I am Star Colonel Nikolai Malthus of the Jade Falcon ClanNo you are not! You are an imposter trying to sully my honor, I demand trial by grievance!
beep beep
>>64284571I feel like if you powergame and bring nothing but massed barely mobile gun turrets there should be a rule that your opponent can declare that they just walk around you. It's how it'd play out in a campaign.
>>64284860>if you powergame and bring nothing but massed barely mobile gun turrets there should be a rule that your opponent can just walk around the table and smack youFTFY.
>>64284525This is Admiral Maridors Haeckle of Solarian League Navy and commander of Battlefleet Sol and Naval Station Ganymede, stand down or be destroyed, I have a force of over 500 super-dreadnoughts under my command.
>Know from the games that mechs can't detect and shoot down small recon drones, at least at the time of the clan invasion (no laser AMS yet)>The AMS they do have has about 250m range and shoots 4 missiles per second>They can't intercept artillery>JDAMs are basically guided artillery, by the way>Know that a "trinary" is just 15 mechs>Know that mech weapons top out at 2000mYour opposing force will be Carrier Strike Group 5 of the US 7th Fleet. Normally it's comprised of 12 ships and 75 f-18 aircraft, with the USS George Washington as it's flagship. >I'm also swapping the other 11 ships with Ticonderoga-class cruisers, which each have 122 tomahawks ready to go and two 54-caliber naval guns that can fire 20 rounds in a minute, but I'll keep that to myself.>The clans will probably see this from orbital recon scans anyway, so whatever.Battleground location will be some island in the Philippines.>I let the clanners show up first with their 15 mechs>Some stealth drones are orbiting at max altitude to paint them>The cruisers begin shooting guided shells at the mechs. 220 in total are pigeon holed on them within 60 seconds.>70 f-18s drop 10 JDAMs each. 700 (You) seeking bombs rain down like hail from hell>We're assuming at least some mechs are dead or damaged at this point>The cruisers open up with a combined total of 1342 tomahawks>Even assuming all 15 mechs are Novas with double AMS, standing within 250m of each other and that they're all still alive, that still limits them to a combined missile shoot down rate of 120 per second across their 250m radius.>Tomahawks move at about 900m/s, which means they will cross 250m in 0.278 seconds.>The mechs will have shot down 33 tomahawks by the time they hit, meaning 1309 tomahawks found their targets.>1309/15 = 87 tomahawks per mech. Even if we assume tomahawks have the power of just regular LRMs, that's enough to kill any mechs still alive.My prize for winning is a star of female elemental soldiers, btw.
>>64285216>"what's BAR?", the post
>>64284525Unleash the Boris Johnsons!
>>64284525Goonhammer has a good write up for cheese tactics. Personally my favourite is spamming offboard arrow iv launchers with homing arrow iv and spamming shitty tagger hovercraft and just killing everything
>>64285241What do you mean? It's battle armor rating. The tabletop game uses it as a number to check for critical hits. If you're suggesting that battlemechs would be immune to modern explosives, I think that's unequivocally untrue whether you look at the tabletop, the books, or the video games.
>>64285262Well, then I'd point to rifles and the implicit assumption of early lore that combat ranges are so short because 'Mechs are swimming in EW (before the Raven came along and threw all that into chaos).Or, I'd just take advantage of Omni capability to fit UMUs and LRTs and laugh all the way home that you bid away your ASW capacity in a littoral battle.
>>64284525>Harmony Gold lawyers spawn
>>64284525I turn off the TV so the cartoons can't get me.
>>64284525What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.
>>64284525All I need is my Locust2 with a laser loadout. I will also accept a star of female elementals like this anon >>64285216
>>64285268>the implicit assumptionWow, it's nothing, but lets say I'll humor you. We're using laser guidance on all the munitions and perhaps IR seeking for the shells. This is the equivalent of using TAG to negate the accuracy debuff of an ECM suite (which has a humorous range of 200-250m btw). >UMUs and LRTsThe Clans invented UMUs for elementals in 3059, with the IS adapting the tech for mechs later. I don't think the Clans would have them on their Trinary mechs. Not at this point. Like with laser AMS, I'm presuming we're in the Clan invasion decade and this isn't available yet.As for the LRTs, you'd have a point... if they didn't have that pesky range limit. My Cruisers will be at least 40km off shore and the carrier at least 200km back.
>>64285369>3059Good point. We'll just go for a hover drop on top of the carrier, then.>inb4 I shoot the dropship downConditions of batchall broken, prepare to reap the whirlwind
>>64285216>Know that mech weapons top out at 2000mRanges are fiddly. The rules say flat out at the start of modern editions that they're entirely there to facilitate fun games on a limited space. If you use optional rules, there's extreme ranges, and then LOS or horizon range. LOS ranges are infinite, as much as you have physical sightline across any distance. Flak ammo or cluster autocannons with a decent pilot can hit any attacking aircraft with decent regularity, if you use LOS range they can punch back at range fine enough. Unless you're breaking the batchall they know you're bringing a shitload of aircraft, too.It could do with testing but using primitive weaponry rules properly and LOS range or anti-aircraft return fire it's pretty possible to shoot down a completely ridiculous amount of modern aircraft attacking a group of mechs.
>>64284525I bid grandpappy's Jap killin knife. Let's settle this like men.
>>64285782did he kill fiddy men and have his knees blown out by japanese machine gun fire?
>>64285379As the one being challenged, I'm entitled to designate the location of the battle. But, if they want to land on the carrier under some kind of dezgra logic, the cruisers will still be able strike them with impunity while the carrier crew finds a way to sink the ship. We're over deep water than most battlemechs are made for. They won't survive.
>>64285353For me it's the Warhawk
>>64284525benis
>>64285342Pff, at least use the proper copypasta: What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little surat? I will have you know I graduated top of my sibko with 3 confirmed kills in my trial of position, I have been involved in numerous trials of possession, and I have over 4 trinaries worth of confirmed kills in Operation Revival. I am trained in zellbrigen and I am the best mechwarrior in the entire Jade Falcon touman. You are nothing to me but just another freebirth. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the HPGnet? Think again, trashborn. As we speak I am contacting the clan watch spies across the invasion corridor and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, savashri. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You are fucking dead, eyass. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that is just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in elemental combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the heirs of Kerensky and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your chalcas ass off the face of the Inner Sphere, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy batchall your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you could not, you did not, and now you are paying the price, you dezgra idiot. I will shit ATMs all over you and you will drown in it. You are fucking dead, stravag.
>>64285216>>Tomahawks move at about 900m/s, which means they will cross 250m in 0.278 seconds.Tomahawks are high subsonic, doing about 270-280 meters per second.
>>64284525A trinary is just 15 omnimechs. Basically a tank company. How would you conquer a planet with a tank company
>>64286106a lot of the planets in BT have their major population centers centered around their capitol and spaceport since the succession wars blasted most of the population to radioactive dust, therefore it's easier for an invading force to "claim" a planet if they snag the starport. Also having a "smaller" battle to claim the planet is preferable to having an orbiting WarShip pound every inch of infrastructure to glass, since now you've expended all that effort with nothing but a barren rock to show for it.
>>64284525is this /m/ board now?je suis clan wolf.
>>64285216>33 tomahawks by the time they hit, meaning 1309 tomahawks found their targets.yes but how much taxes do i have to pay for that?
>>64284525Yo mama
>>64286214https://www.sarna.net/wiki/King_Crabthis fat ass?
>>64285939I don't think batchalls work like "yeah we agree you have to go on the cuck island and then we artillery strike you until you die". They're fucking retarded but even clanners aren't that stupid.
>>64286240the bigger mechs can load up arties too. and nothing is stopping clanners from loading up on all LRMs to shoot them first. OR just nego to use more ships/planes to counter them.
>>64286214Yo mama's so fat, they mistook her for a DropShip on re-entry
>>6428452512 savannah masters and a highlander playing his bagpipes at max volume
>>64284571Unfortunately, the Clams "balance" with Points, not with BV. That said, at least it's not the Vipers or Wolves, who have the occasional Naga to grid-square your gun crews.
>>64284525I bid a single Daishi with a targeting computer/ecm cloaking Void Signature System with dual gausses to headshot all 15 of you fools
>>64285216Others have handled the math issues, so I'll just point out that the USN doesn't *have* guided 5" rounds. We never bought Vulcano, and our own development programs keep getting canceled. We're currently tinkering with the HVP round that was designed a decade ago for railguns, but I don't believe it's in service.
>>64286106>How can a few dozen mechs take over a fully industrialized world that is specifically known for producing battlemechs?>How does anyone successfully invade (not bombard from orbit) any planet in BT when jumpships are so limited that transporting a corp sized element is extremely difficult, let alone an army?>Why aren't planets so heavily defended that offensive battles on enemy territory are rare in the late succession wars, where most of the fighting should be on weakly held 3rd party or periphery systems?Don't ask questions about numbers in Battletech, they don't and never will make sense because the original writers never thought about any of it
>>64286329FASAnomics.
>>64286174This makes sense for your usual Backwater IV planet, but Smoke Jaguar should have never had the numbers to even threaten an empire capital like Luthien with a ground invasion, let alone Earth
>>64285818Naturally.
>>64285939>As the one being challenged, I'm entitled to designate the location of the battleCorrect. Your forces must ALSO be at the location of the battle in order to lawfully participate.Unless of course, you do NOT plan to declare the fleet, in which case, again, conditions of batchall broken, welcome to the Turtle Bay experience.
>>64284525Shut up clannerscum!
>>64286240>even clanners aren't that stupidThey were in the early stages of the invasion. They believed a bunch of what they would call honorless barbarians were going to adhere to their stupid dueling rules and engage in gentleman's combat instead of using the only advantage they had(numbers). They eventually wised up, but by that point the IS had managed to capture and reverse engineer enough clan mechs that the tech gap had closed, and the clans lost their biggest advantage.
>>64286607>>64286455 instead of >>64286240 hereI think what he means is that there's a line between "the sphereoids make a false bid, break zellbrigen, and then the clanners chimp out" and "the sphereoids bid an artillery battalion and politely ask you to stand on the X". The Clans are stupid enough to take that fight, absolutely, but they're also under no compunction to loiter around inside the killzone, and it would make a very, very funny story to be able to tell everyone else about the time you crushed an entire nautical fleet because they entered the batchall under the childish delusion that nobody was going to bomb them in return.
>>64284525I bid a full Exosquad complete with fantastic 80s haircuts
>>64284525I bid one (1) porchnow fuck off back to /tg/
>>64284525All I've got on hand is a 5,000 ton immortal daemon engine, sorry. Maybe you should go gather up some more friends.
Hello. As your local HPG station Preceptor, I would like to inform you all of two things. First, that the network is currently down, and we expect it to be back online in seven to thirty eight business days. Secondly, we have nothing to do with this clan thing. Weird stuff, huh? Anyway, best of luck!
>>64285216Lol. Just challenge them to an american football match.
>>64284525I bid this orphan we found with a Zip .22. You could probably beat him but can you afford the loss in honor?
>>64286106Basic clanner doctrine is that instead of a massively destructive war with a crapton of collateral damage you challenge your opponent to an exhibition match out in the middle of nowhere. Whomever wins takes the objective and everyone abids by it because Honor. And not wanting entire worlds carpet nuked from orbit.
I bid everything except the lightest lance I command.I am a Lyran and the lightest lance I command includes two Marauders, an Atlas and a Warhammer.
>>64284583I still am in total disbelief this shit is canon
>>64286106Clan Wolf actually did pull off something like that once. They got into a bidding war with clan Ghost Bear over the right to invade Rasalhague. The Ghost bear Khan realized that the cutdown was getting ridiculous so he lowballed Clan Wolf to 3 Clusters in an effort to make them so weak they couldn't even invade. Clan Wolf accepted the bargain and, to everyone's surprise, succeeded in conquering Rasalhague with just three Clusters, over the course of fifteen days.
>>64287556They'd send a star of elementals in that case. They're genetically engineered, 2.5m tall beefcakes. Slightly larger than 40k's space marines, in fact.
>>64284583I've seen people say it both ways. Was he really in the bird regalia during the hearing, or was it actually a dress uniform?
>>64288026The bird kit is specifically described as a ceremonial uniform in its original source. There is no hard confirmation of what Malthus was wearing, but court proceedings are typically formal events to which one wears a formal uniform. Take that as you will.
I'm your huckleberry.
I ascended to a high position within my clan not through any particular skill in battle, but through my discovery at an early age of how sensitive the testicles of my sibkin were to being squeezed in the Circle of Equals
>>64284525I see your ink on paper fantasy and raise you lighter fluid and a match.What say you now, space man?
>>64285216Nice plan. You just gave every Clanner Aerospace jock in the invasion force a stiffy as they get ready to divebomb your flattop from geostationary orbit.
>>64287556Happened in canon. Problem is Ghost Bear knew how to play, and sent in a lineup of Elementals. The Sheliak All-Stars team got demolished 84-3.
>>64287832I think there was a book where a guy bid just himself with no mech.
>>64288247That's called "unaugmented", and is the traditional form for settling Trials of Grievance.
>>64288252Yeah, but I don't think it's traditional for invading planets.
>>64287975And that's just the girls. (Insert lewd image of muscle babe with 80s hair in a hot pink string bikini, soaked is sweat, in a just-opened elemental suit)
>>64288297It would have taken you like 3 seconds to type that into Bing instead and then post the actual picture.
>>64288258To be fair, any batchall, regardless of the prize, could get bid down that far. I don't recall it in canon, but it would not be impossible or even unreasonable for it to have happened. I could see some crusty pirate lords negotiating something like that.
>>64286299Lol, lmao
>>64288301My way is better. I made you imagine it. Now it belongs to you. That little image. I made one, now you have as well. It is a secret thing you cannot share. Even if you try to think of it again, it will be different.
>>64288303If I recall, it was some shit like there was an early Clan scouting party to the inner sphere that went native, they rejoined the Clans early in the invasion, and one of them bid zero mechs in a planetary invasion and then went down and told them they were fucked anyway so they should just surrender for him to gain political power and subvert the greater invasion.
>>64288346Wolf's Dragoons?
>>64285216
>>64288421I just found it, it was the Kell Hounds.>Natasha Kerensky bid only Phelan to take the Free Rasalhague Republic world of Gunzburg. He successfully negotiated the bloodless surrender of the world from his old enemy Tor Miraborg. This action significantly enhanced his standing among the Wolf Clan.
>>64288443>Year availability 3065, when OP is Star Colonel Nikolai Malthus before the battle of Tukayyid in 3051>Malthus only said he was with a trinary anywayThere will be no long range weapons. No aerospace fighters. Just pure clanner defeat. This is a problem with announcing what your forces will be in advance. You give a lot of tactical advantages to the enemy because they'll just wargame a counter force that they know is enough to beat you.
>>64288443>Each missile weighs 35 tonsImagine going into a game with a stack of urbanmechs and pitching them across the table at your opponent's minis.
>>64288493OP also said he was going to conquer the board, so where are you getting your fleet from?
>>64287653Which might actually be an improvement, except for all of the ways in which they backstab each other and bend/break/ignore the rules when it suits them. And, of course, there's the minor issue of how their "honor" treats everyone who *isn't* a born-and-bred Warrior.
>>64288247He didn't. His *boss* (Natasha Kerensky) bid him to take Gunzburg. He had history with the elected governor (he was in a forbidden love with said governor's daughter, and got kicked off the planet for it a few months before being captured by Clan Wolf). He negotiated a parlay, and then basically offered the governor a Faustian ultimatum: surrender the planet and get left largely alone, or resist and the planet gets largely trashed in the fighting. The governor gave in, which continued the ongoing brick joke that is Phelan's sunglasses.
>>64288346>>64288457Kell Hounds were never affiliated with the Clans. They just happened to be also canine-adjacent.
>>64288668Even without questionable interpretations of honor, the losses in war increase for everyone the closer in power the two sides are. See Russia-Ukraine vs US-Iraq. Hell, see the Soviet Union vs the US in Afghanistan.
>>64288516>Conquering a website >with mechsWhat's he gonna do? Post cool pictures of them? I've already got him beat there.
>>64288683>>64288688Sorry, it's literally been 20 years since I read the book. I don't even remember most of the events from it I'm reading about in the wiki.
>>64284525Would the Falcons be more humiliated being defeated by a 25 ton Mech or a 25 ton tank with a 20 ton indirect fire artillery piece?
>>64288709Tank, Clanners hate tankers.
>>64288709The fuck are you putting on a tank that weighs 20 tons alone?!>Sniper artyOh, nice
>>64284525Ok you bastard. This thread has inspired me to reinstall Battletech after not playing for 6 years. I never played with the mods, going to try BTA 3062
>>64288861>there will never be a deep, economy driven grand strategy game about battletechwhy even live
>>64288866My ideal game would need to be a combination of Stellaris and Battletech HBS where you can gain territory, land troops. But Battletech novels were really light on grand strategy, it's appeal was small squad tactics with mechs.
>>64286022Faggot>>>/lgbt/
>>64288709>exactly 6 BV spent on things that aren't the gunbeautifulI do wish there were non-Industrial tracked mech designs in canon
>>64288903Just a neat, operational level game where you control a full merc company, akin to the gray death or W.D's. You get infantry, you get vehicles, you have to manage support and air assets, supplies, etc. You get your mechs but they're obviously more expensive to get, maintain and repair than say, a shit load of tanks, but offset that by being insanely powerful, like in lore. Guess a good game would be you play it like the battletech game on the strategic map, but you control multiple units across an entire front for whoever you're fighting for, and the tactical battles could play out something like armoured brigade or red dragon.
>>64288866>>64288925So basically you want MW5 Mercs.
>>64288933Yes but as a good, complex strategy game
>>64288709Tank but they would then call you a dezgra or something and...not hold back for ritualistic reasons
>>64288949So like, you want StarCraft? That's a game with infantry, vehicles, aircraft and things like artillery.
>>64288997Na, starcraft is dogshit. I want an operational or strategic level wargame basically. Think hoi3 (the good one) or shadow empire, but with a battletech flavour
>>64289018Something like an expanded Jagged Alliance 2 kind of thing?
>>64289018Battleforce does exist anon?
>>64289205Yes, however, i want a video game so I can play singleplayer FAR easier.
My ideal battletech game would be a hoi4 mod with an option to have a hero unit on the field which you can take control of in FPS modeSomething like Empire At War but with a detailed engine obvsThat would be very BT wouldn't it?
>>64289300Hoi3's unit combat and designerHoi4's logistics and productiondistant worlds 2 diplomacy and researchEmpire at war scaled tactical battle integrationMW2 fps mech combatArma reforger vehicle and infantry combatNuclear option aerial combatThis game, and you have my life, my soul, my loyalty
>>64288047we need to figure out how to make IRL savannah masters. I don't care if fusion reactors are "impossible to make and even harder to make mobile" I need my fusion powered laser armed hovercraft doing donuts in your backlines and lasering the back of anything that looks at it funny
>>642894552.5TB game size
>>64289510Made on UE5, with a buttery smooth 27 frames per second.
>>64289726>buttery smooth 27 fps*with framegen, upscaled from 540p
>>64289510>2.5TB game size
>>64288903>>64288925Reminds of a old axis and allies game where you'd move the traditional pieces on a board and then those would effect what you'd start with in a RTS style tactical battle
>>64291363I remberI had to cheese the Battle of the Bulge by checking the replay to find their airbases and then rushing them at the start of the mission.
>>64288047https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWlcmicJYA0We are making Craters today!
>>64291363that's exactly how Wargame and Warno play in the (very limited) campaign mode
I've got a marauder IIC and an OGRE Mk VI.
You know what? There's a tokay gecko loose in the command center. The planets yours if you catch it.
>>64288047>Savannah MastersNow let's arm them with automatic PPCs with artillery reach (2 km or line-of-sight).
>>64288923It's an abomination, but it exists.https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Arion
>>64285216The Jade Falcons are about to introduce this fucker to omnimechs with U configurations.
>>64288866That's what the RPG is for
>>64292475The funny thing is that MG ammo bombs are going away soon.
>>64292777wdym? new rules at last?
>>64292780/tg/btg/ can probably fill you in better. There's a lot of things being playtested right now, one of them being a cap on explosion damage at 20. A CT detonation will still vaporize anything short of an assault, but side torsos are going to be a lot less lethal if it goes through.
>>64292799ah I see, thanksI'd played for nearly thirty years through multiple shark jumps until finally ilClan (and rank general mismanagement) did me in. in some ways a rule simplification is probably overdue. on the other hand, I *will* miss the old ruleset.
>>64293193IlClan is a nothingburger. If you just look at the ilCllan trial on Terra it's fucking retarded, but everywhere else in the IS it's a clusterfuck where anything can happen, and every mech has a good variant. Lots of opportunity for low intensity warfare like late 3rd Succession War, and even the Clans are hiring mercs these days. I hate Clan Wolf and their retarded 3rd Star League, but they're not even relevant to anything that isn't Terra right now.
>>64293208perhapsbut the lore stopped being fun about fifteen years ago, the universe moved like molasses and they've had that long to think of a satisfying resolution and still can't deliver anything more than the utter clusterfuck that is ilClan, I have no reason to believe that anything in the future is going to be any less retarded(even if the end state of Jihad was less than satisfactory, the journey was very fun)
>>64293225Playing the Hinterlands campaign made me feel better about the ilClan era. The book itself is a mess of errors and bad editing, but the lore provided and the contracts were fun. If the rest of this era's canpaigns are similar I will be happy to just ignore the whole 3rd Star League nonsense.
>>64293193The Snow Ravens did an orbital bombardment of Sian. Davions finally kicked the Dracs off New Avalon. Lyrans are balkanizing. The rest of IlClan is shit, total Wolf and Bear wank.
>>64293298>Snow Ravens did an orbital bombardment of Siannothing less than the utter glassing of Sian and the public unmasking, emasculation, drawing and quartering of MadCapellan will bring me back>Davions finally kicked the Dracs off New Avalonoverdue>Lyrans are balkanizingloldo Mormons hate ze Germans?>The rest of IlClan is shit, total Wolf and Bear wankas ever
>>64284525The only answer anyone needs, robot spacemen with double dicks. Hundreds of them.
>>64294671I personally prefer my robots with cigars
>>64294701But it doesn't exist in 3050, or else I'd have used the mech that everyone wishes they had.
>>64287975>They're genetically engineered, 2.5m tall beefcakes. Slightly larger than 40k's space marines, in fact.40K primaris are boosted to 9 feet barefoot from 8 feet barefoot. Ofc, thats on average, so some are larger, some smaller.
>>64288925Closest you're going to get to that is MegaMek, which is a faithful adaptation of allllll the TT rules. You can run a merc unit of anything from company size (running a single lance is kinda possible but really hard, askmehowiknow) to multi-regimental if you have the computer (and the patience) for it. The only catch is that you can't split the unit up across worlds... and you can't affect the flow of history, only the size of your bank account.
>>64285216>Your opposing force will be Carrier Strike Group 5 of the US 7th Fleet. Normally it's comprised of 12 ships and 75 f-18 aircraft, with the USS George Washington as it's flagship.*destroys you with a single PPC shot from a dropship*
>>64293298There are reasons I've been "eternal '57" for 20+ years...
>>64286266>Savannah mastersthis man knows.
>battletech autismI understand there exist video games. Are they good?I have zero knowledge or interest in the tabletop stuff.
>>64295228>>64288047>>64289506If you can't get your hands on Savannah Masters, Hover SRM APCs are the next best thing.
>>64285782You'd actually get mad props from the Clanners even if you got your ass kicked.
>>64293309>>64295162I think there is a lot of room for interesting political moves going forward in the setting, like how the Snow Ravens and Capellans brought back the whole "nukes and orbital bombardment" style of warfare while the Sea Foxes are trying to become the new Comstar with a fraction of the subtlety of Comstar. They just need to be even-handed when it comes to dealing with the factions. Like right now Clan Wolf is on top, but its powerbase is dependent on being allied with a militarily ascendant Clan Snow Raven and an economically ascendant Clan Sea Fox, who could very easily make a play for them to be the real powers behind Clan Wolf throne.
>>64284525"Who am I? I am Susan Ivanova, Commander, daughter of Andrei and Sophie Ivanov. I am the right hand of vengeance, and the boot that is going to kick your sorry ass all the way back to Earth ... I am Death incarnate, and the last living thing that you are ever going to see. God sent me."
>>64289300>>64289455Look into Sins of a Solar Empire for smooth strategic/tactical transitions.
>>64296033Shut up cunt, Green or Purple?
>>64284525I bid 3 motorized companies and one mechanized company of the Neo Soviet union's KCCO forces. As the challenged I demand the location of the battle to be outside the walls of Tallinn, Estonia. Do you accept this batchall Star Colonel?
>>64285216Clan AMS use lasers though they still fielded modern CWIS style AMS that fired flechettes for better ammunition capacity.
>>64292799I'm both saddened by this news and also okay with it. On one hand it was hilarious to suffer an ammo explosion on a Rifleman and be able to see the detonation from orbit. On the other, an ammo hit was an instant kill unless you had expanded nearly all your ammo or took CASE.
>>64292631Here Sonny, have an LTV-4.
>>64295475>Are they good?MechWarrior 2 is a timeless classic but a full thirty years old at this point, MechAssault for the OG Xbox is solid retro fun, MW3 and MW4 are okay but antiquated, MW5 and MW5 Clans are turds and MWO is garbage.The 2018 Battletech is great. If you want a solid taste of the franchise without having to boot up DOSBox, play that.
>>64295475Don't listen to >>64297503, between the DLC improvements and mods MW5 turned out pretty good even if the base game is very rough. MWO is janky though, enjoyable jank but jank nonetheless.
>>64297515Inclined to agree, especially with the latest DLC, M5: Mercs has really improved over the original base game.main negatives: AI team-mate pilots are still bullet magnets half the time so dont stick anything valuable on their mechs, and the non-storyline missions are procedurally generated, and get rather bland, and can get grindy. rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat, etc. Otherwise, its pretty solid. And the 2018 HBS "Battletech" is a gem, with a brilliant design that really makes you care about your pilots.
>>64297531>with a brilliant design that really makes you care about your pilots.Also tons of memory leaks and slow loading times. Mods (like mission control and bigger drops) are necessary because the base game is all sorts of bullshit.
>>64289455THAT is a AAAA game worth 100 bucks.I wonder if there will ever be a giga-indepth game like that, there's obviously a market for it but holy FUCK it'd be expensive and take so long to make.
>>64284525tubefaggots deserve the rope
>>64297515>between the DLC improvements and mods MW5 turned out pretty goodFor like ~20 hours, and then the realization that you can only polish a turd so much sinks in. I also question if someone new to the franchise would even get that much out of it since a lot of the mileage of mods is deflecting the monotony setting in by tossing LosTech, more 'mechs and new maps at you and if you aren't already into Battletech a LPL is just a somewhat better LL. MW5 might be worth a pirate but it sure as shit isn't worth buying unless you can somehow get the whole bundle for like $15. I'd also say that it has Bethesda problem - the more you fix it with mods, the more you start thinking "why the fuck wasn't this in the base game?" and resentment builds from there.
>>64284525The 105th Guards Armored Division stands ready to fight your entire Trinary single handed.If you convert a IRL Armored Division to BT stats then the clans would be smashed to bits, the fact that the Norks favor meme-tastic tanks would be icing on the cake.Songun 916:>AC 15>Twin MG/AGLs>SRM 2s>Second pair of SRM 2s (not sure how the AA missiles are in BT) >Ablative armorBT mechs are mostly a joke, they would be slaughtered**Atlas are cool and if you need something punched by 100 tons of wrath they work.
>>64288026That's literally clan ceremonial garb.
>>64297586not how it works. modern weapons barely scratch mechs
>>64295475>there exist video games. Are they good?>I have zero knowledge or interest in the tabletop stuffMechwarrior 2 is a DOS / Win95 era glorified rail shooter with some replay value due to customisation. if you're into heavily pixelated polygons and wireframes then it's good.MechCommander 2 is one of the few truly real-time tactical games. no base-building. some unit customisation, and pilot swapping. lots of running around the map with a dungeon party and a healer. if you're really into tactical games perhaps HBS Battletech is better for that, but I don't know.Mechwarrior 4 Mercenaries is good all-around Mech game. in fact it's a worse rendition of Battletech than MCU is of Marvel comics, but it's fun enough that fans don't give a shit. that's how good it is.I'm old enough that I quit playing games before HBS so I defer to the other anons on that
>>64297586>dosen't knowThe faggot Devs said that modern military vehicles would be completely ineffective against mechs and then proceeded to pull bullshit out their asses to justify it. Every depiction of Mechs in video games would turn a M1 Abrams into a eldritch horror that could TAC with APFSDS (they literally forgot how to make these and use WW2 APHE) from 2+km away.
>>64297503You forgot MechWarrior living legends
>>64297658>pull bullshit out their asses to justify ityou weren't around for the "ship of the line vs modern frigate" thread eh
>>64297632>>64297658Right because it's magic where MGs are actually 120mm machineguns but somehow infantry units can sometimes resist them and despite Mechs at most weighing 100 tons they carry 100 rounds of 120mm MG rounds in a one ton ammo slot right?I played BT before the majority of the people in this thread were born, it's all bullshit. Everything BT related is just fantasy bullshit and has no place on /k/, it belongs on /tg/ and all BT threads on /k/ should result in a instant ban.
>>64297794>120mm machinegunswrong>Everything DPRK related is just fantasy bullshitftfy>it belongs on /tg/ and all BT threads on /k/ should result in a instant ban.true thoughever
